On February 17 2012 05:27 rgTheSchworz wrote: But I just saw that you re-claimed that Forumite is Penguin. Why lie the first time?
To protect.
That was my thought.
Revealing himself was bad enough, he couldn´t reveal another Townie too. I suspected this from his reluctance, and from correctly coloring me blue in his short list. If he was scum then it would have been very dangerous to make something like that up, so he would have more dead people on his list.
N1: Shot Slardar. Claimed in the Phone Booth topic. N2: Shot Kurumi, didn´t take apparently. Softclaimed in the thread when matching up nightactions. N3: Shot Chaoser, just like Joker did. I was originally going for VE, but changed right before deadline, because he sounded so apologetic in the thread. Go me!
On February 17 2012 05:57 jaybrundage wrote: Penguin who have you shot so far? Because as Adam stated I dont think we saw your KP anywhere have you shot?
On February 17 2012 05:50 Forumite wrote: Since I´m claiming:
N1: Shot Slardar. Claimed in the Phone Booth topic. N2: Shot Kurumi, didn´t take apparently. Softclaimed in the thread when matching up nightactions. N3: Shot Chaoser, just like Joker did. I was originally going for VE, but changed right before deadline, because he sounded so apologetic in the thread. Go me!
My shots N2 and N3 didn´t show up for a reason, but I´ve shot each and every night.
Joker is still ahead of me in Townkills, even if we count Chaoser as teamwork. Go Me!
On February 17 2012 07:17 Adam4167 wrote: Forumite, why did you list Jayjay as 100% town in your list?
My read at the time.
I hope more people on the VE lynch changes their mind and take out Kurumi. He´s definetly not Town, most likely Catwoman, but could be a scum Powerrole doing a weird gamble. Either way we need him to flip. If he flips CW then rg is confirmed Town, if he flips red then rg is 100% scum, and VE is most likely scum too.
On February 17 2012 10:31 VisceraEyes wrote: I appreciate you completely ignoring my request for a case to defend Forumite. Srsly, top notch.
I pushed the lynch yesterday to victory on a hunch, against your objections, and then changed my nightshot from you to a townie after you pleaded Townieness in the thread. I´m not happy about letting my read get changed like that, but you got this chance to show your townieness.
Help us lynch Kurumi now. Town needs us two powerroles, and we need to know what rg is, especially now. I´ll decide if you are Town or Scum later, but right now the pro-Town thing you could do is help us kill the one killing Town.
Anyway I don´t know what you are doing, if we don´t lynch Kurumi then you die. Do you want to sacrifice yourself to save Catwoman? If, from your perspective, it´s two bad lynches, then you should be on the one that doesn´t kill you, because we´re not choosing a third target 2 hours left on the day.
On February 16 2012 06:07 Kurumi wrote: Apparently using logic is illogical here . Oh well . Should've killed someone smart like Adam . I will have a surprise for You anyway.
Guys seriously. Please?
##Unvote: hiro protagonist ##Vote: Kurumi
What are you talking about? I was on Kurumi before you were dude.
My mistake, I read the voting list and mixed them up.
On February 16 2012 06:07 Kurumi wrote: Apparently using logic is illogical here . Oh well . Should've killed someone smart like Adam . I will have a surprise for You anyway.
Guys seriously. Please?
##Unvote: hiro protagonist ##Vote: Kurumi
What are you talking about? I was on Kurumi before you were dude.
My mistake, I read the voting list and mixed them up.
Actually, JayJay's list (the last one you might have seen before leaving earlier) wrongly had me on hiro protagonist...so that's actually not surprising. I doubt it was intentional, as I'd posted both in-thread and in the voting thread, so it's not like he was trying to fool anyone.
On February 17 2012 11:02 Adam4167 wrote: Ill entertain the idea that VE might be... town.
That means we have 4 people + 2 3rd parties voting on a 'townie'.
4 is such an ominous number.
jaybrundage, evantrees, hiro and Tyrran. Do you really want to be grouped together for your defiance of what has been decided as the pro-town option?
I want to lynch scum, not 3rd party. If we had found CW like 2 nights back, maybe, but I am very sure VE is scum at this point. and His chances of flipping hugo or DS are quite good I think.
The fact that there are scum hiding behind the "safe lynch" and townies taking the "safe lynch" means we gain no info on voting from this round. I would lIke to take the stand that VE is scum and the better lynch.
that being said, I see a semi win/win to the day: ether we lynch scum or catwoman. I just hope you realize that the remaining scum are pushing the CW lynch with town...
And VE, I know your gonna say that I have no case. This is not true, I dont have the time to write it.
Right now we need to lynch CW or she will just kill me and risk, no matter how many medics we have left. We need confirmed Town, rolechecks and Killpower in the hands of Town, which means making sure that CW is not around to kill those assets.
We don´t waste killpower by lynching CW, rather we save our ability to kill during the night. Yesterday it would have been fine not killing CW, but with me and risk allready revealed, we can´t let her be around anymore.
As for you theory that the remaining scum are pushing CW, that´s not very subtle.
On February 17 2012 11:02 Adam4167 wrote: Ill entertain the idea that VE might be... town.
That means we have 4 people + 2 3rd parties voting on a 'townie'.
4 is such an ominous number.
jaybrundage, evantrees, hiro and Tyrran. Do you really want to be grouped together for your defiance of what has been decided as the pro-town option?
I want to lynch scum, not 3rd party. If we had found CW like 2 nights back, maybe, but I am very sure VE is scum at this point. and His chances of flipping hugo or DS are quite good I think.
The fact that there are scum hiding behind the "safe lynch" and townies taking the "safe lynch" means we gain no info on voting from this round. I would lIke to take the stand that VE is scum and the better lynch.
that being said, I see a semi win/win to the day: ether we lynch scum or catwoman. I just hope you realize that the remaining scum are pushing the CW lynch with town...
And VE, I know your gonna say that I have no case. This is not true, I dont have the time to write it.
So you're willing to throw away a protected vig and confirmed townie in the hopes of maybe getting deadshot/hugo.
This is why I hate themed games...
No, I dont, but If we lynch VE, and he flips scum, This gives our vigs a much smaller pool of players to shoot into... think about it.
Not for long, because if Kurumi is around then I will die tonight or tomorrow. Your argument doesn´t make sense.
On February 17 2012 11:45 Forumite wrote: We don´t waste killpower by lynching CW, rather we save our ability to kill during the night.
scum still have a medic...
So?
Even if their medic protects the right one in 50% of the cases, it´s still half a nightkill more than we´d have without me. Batman will disappear eventually, then it´s one lynch during the day, and 2 dead Townies each night. A night without any Town powerroles scares me. No protects, no more info for the new day, not even the chance of getting back at them during the night, while they kill whoever they want. This setup is built around scum killing, not only lynching, we need to be able to kill.
On February 17 2012 11:59 hiro protagonist wrote: god, just see my side of the argument! Kill CW, I dont care. I just think its more worthwhile to kill VE, thats all...
Hey, see it from my perspective, Catwoman is out for my money head! Come on, give me a hand and vote for Kurumi, otherwise I´m dead tomorrow!
Who are scum? Kurumi flip means I won´t die right now, but it didn´t give much on where scum hide. If anyone have a likely scumteam, please tell me, because I don´t want to shoot a townie by mistake.
On February 17 2012 21:20 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm actually looking through filters now Forumite. What are your thoughts on the scumlist I provided earlier?
I think your scumlist is the right. On the other hand that´s from playing with these people with the suspicions I had at the time. The scum on your scumlist are extra scummy due to them trying to stop Kurumi getting lynched, but that was based on my worry that Kurumi and rg were really scum together. They were not both scum, but I wonder how rg acting yesterday fits into all this.
If risk says Mr Freeze doesn´t protect him, and rg objects, is this them tricking scum or rg fakeclaiming Freeze? Risk hasn´t confirmed the existance of Mr Freeze in this setup after all, and risk correctly named me, so I´m inclined to believe risk if they were somehow opposed. Then again, they had WBG for one night, did they check me that night?
No, I don´t really think this is an elaborate scumplot, but it´s easy to get very, very paranoid, which is why I´m glad there are some other players around who are good at analyzing. I´m going to do my own rereading later tonight, but right now VE's scumlist is what I think, but not what I would expect from a scumteam where their 3 most skilled members are dead. If it´s VE's 4 players, then they are pushing their agenda over trying to blend in, which doesn´t make sense.
On February 18 2012 17:30 Adam4167 wrote: What are your thoughts, Forumite?
Anger mostly. The two most vocal players yesterday were Scum VE, and Palmar who wasn´t helping. I should have shot VE the night before last, we´d have been in a much better position now.
Right now rg looks bad, because nothing about risks role-PM says anything about Mr Freeze, this together with yesterdays rant about Kurumi makes me want to take him out. He´s not the only scummy player though.
Not sure what to do about Hiro, all the dead scum have wanted him lynched, but could be WIFOM-crap.
Tomorrow 2 players will be dead by Town hands, and 2 will be dead by scum. If the lynch or nightshot doesn´t kill scum then the game is lost tonight. I will probably not survive the night, so this is it.