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On February 08 2012 03:32 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 03:29 Bill Murray wrote:On February 08 2012 03:27 Jayjay54 wrote:
also BM, what are you trying to achieve with the mason claim. all you do is generate pointless discussions. As long as you don't provide logs, which help us, there's like no benefit at all.
and you say yourself your mass claim was based on wrong facts.
I know a little BM right now, but this is getting dangerously nonsense-like first off, how is this nonsensical? explain second off, how is a private network of neighbors we can use to coordinate a negative thing? why should i out the chat logs? i see no point in it. pointless discussion? have you read the 20 pages on 3rd party speculation? 1. as long as you give us any information, all you get from claiming mason is a discussion about how to deal with masons. Or am I wrong here? What is the benefit? 2. I assume that there might a scum in this network? Did that occur to you? In that case, by holding information back, scum gets more input than town. How does this help? yeah I read the discussion and that is kind of my point (I made a case on Doc for that reason!). We just finished one discussion, why transition into another?
im not a mason
ive been neighborized
mason = you know alignment
neighbor = you dont know alignment
you all are killing me with calling it a mason....
1) the benefit is that scum have no will to out the simple fact of its existence
2) of course there could be scum in the network, like i said, it ISNT A MASON, it's a neighborizer
3) ... your case on doctorhelvetica is pretty bad
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assuming i am not batman or catwoman, am i allowed to out my name/role?
On February 08 2012 03:36 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 03:30 Bill Murray wrote:On February 08 2012 03:29 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 08 2012 03:26 Bill Murray wrote:On February 08 2012 03:21 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 08 2012 03:15 Bill Murray wrote:On February 08 2012 03:12 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 08 2012 03:09 Bill Murray wrote:On February 08 2012 02:57 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 08 2012 02:53 Bill Murray wrote:
has anyone talked about the gay phone network, yet? wtf is this shit? there is a gigantic mason network im a part of that is why i'm claiming a power rolei know a confirmed town, as well wait what? so you are masoning? with who? and why does this paint you town? No, i was masoned. It doesn't paint me town whatsoever - but I ask you - why would i do this as scum? I am going to ask BC to what extent I can claim in thread, because I know a confirmed town via the network, and someone speculating about roles in relation to who would have sent said network's alignment in relation to the video game with which this came from. Considering this isn't a bastard game, the flavor of the NEIGHBOR network (it's not a mason network - we don't know everyone is town) points towards the person having sent it being town. If he's town, and I'm outting in the thread saying I have a confirmed town, how is this anti-town? woah slow down. a) how many people are in that network? who is? and how long has this been going on. b) if you are masoned and claim this still doesn't make you town whatsoever. Your mason buddy might be scum (even though you say it's unlikely). Even if he is town and masons you, you still could claim to get easy towncreds. Sorry, I don't get your allignment from claiming being masoned. a. quit fishing b. no, unless bc is a bastard mod, the one person who initiated the neighbor network is town via flavor like i said, we can't afford for my role to die n1 due to flavor, and im not a veteran, so i need a medic on me a. yeah, please don't help town by providing information. b. what? I seriously tried to understand that, but I failed. a. i have outted my role, as a mouth of the network, so i can be protected - how is that not 100% info i know? b. the role with which the neighbor came from is confirmed town a. you could be a scum mouth? Or is that not possible? b. Hmm. Ok. I don't get it completely, how can someone be confirmed in a role if he masons...And if there's an initiator who is confirmed town why doesn't he speak up and be the mouth?
1) i know my role, ive outted i am a power role. What are you getting at?
2) he has spoken up in the thread, and i am speaking up because i am protecting him, and needing protection myself
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On February 08 2012 03:45 Tyrran wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 03:30 Tobberoth wrote:
Sorry for pulling a n00b card again, but what is this mason discussion?
From what I gathered on google, mason is a flavor thing which allows some players to have secret meetings during night... how can this happen in this game when PMs aren't allowed and there's no role with that power? Or has the power roles gotten information not available in the OP? Masons are townies taht know each other and that can communicate wich each other outside of the thread ( PMs, QT, IRC). Yes the OP did not include masons, but as i understood it, it is a semi-open setup meaning the OP did not include all information. Until the other masons claim, we have no reason to beleive him tho. And once the other claim, we can lynch BM to confirm the other mason. I think BM claims is bullshit. I dont see any reason for claiming so early when Catwoman is hunting for power role. Why are you claiming BM ?
its NOT a mason
it's a neighborizer
im not a role catwoman or batman want to kill or why would i out in the thread?
smh
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ico, you're the only one taking things, such as you parroting my analysis of adam41
what gives?
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On February 08 2012 03:51 Toadesstern wrote:
sheth you're pretty wishy washy this game imo. More than you're usually. Maybe that's because of the third party and you don't know what to talk about (hell, first game with 3rd parties for me as well) But don't worry, there's a bunch of people voting CC and since he's still my #1 I'm probably going to unvote you and vote him instead.
this sounds like toadesstern is consoling his scumbuddy he has a vote on
adam4147
toadesstern
sheth
cybercheese
kenpachi
jackal
^ list of scum
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On February 08 2012 04:10 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 04:03 Bill Murray wrote:On February 08 2012 03:32 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 08 2012 03:29 Bill Murray wrote:On February 08 2012 03:27 Jayjay54 wrote:
also BM, what are you trying to achieve with the mason claim. all you do is generate pointless discussions. As long as you don't provide logs, which help us, there's like no benefit at all.
and you say yourself your mass claim was based on wrong facts.
I know a little BM right now, but this is getting dangerously nonsense-like first off, how is this nonsensical? explain second off, how is a private network of neighbors we can use to coordinate a negative thing? why should i out the chat logs? i see no point in it. pointless discussion? have you read the 20 pages on 3rd party speculation? 1. as long as you give us any information, all you get from claiming mason is a discussion about how to deal with masons. Or am I wrong here? What is the benefit? 2. I assume that there might a scum in this network? Did that occur to you? In that case, by holding information back, scum gets more input than town. How does this help? yeah I read the discussion and that is kind of my point (I made a case on Doc for that reason!). We just finished one discussion, why transition into another? im not a mason ive been neighborized mason = you know alignment neighbor = you dont know alignment you all are killing me with calling it a mason.... 1) the benefit is that scum have no will to out the simple fact of its existence 2) of course there could be scum in the network, like i said, it ISNT A MASON, it's a neighborizer 3) ... your case on doctorhelvetica is pretty bad 1) if it's so good for town to get the fact of a network out there, why are you the only one claiming? And why just now? 2) I know, that you know it, so why on earth is it pro town to keep information from town which scum already probably has. It creates a information deficit. 3) yea, Palmar said so already, but no one really can say why. He's spammy, has zero content, vote switches (even without posting in the thread) and enforces third party discussions. How the hell is that a bad case? Please enlighten me.
I havent read from, say, 22-26, so i wasnt sure noone had claimed it. i consider towncred in claiming it, so if someone else had, great.
one guy has gained town cred from the neighborizer, one guy has gotten my eye more than he has in the thread, and another is confirmed town. How is outting information to the thread creating an information deficit?
I do NOT want to handle everything there. I am letting the town know about its existence, so that they're not left derpily in the dark. Asylum vs that game flamewheel had with the ninjas, world of difference
doctorhelvetica has contributed more than nearly everyone within the thread, do you not see that? would scum not advocate talking about 3rd party, then do so, in a direct contradiction? he's also being really up front.
if you want to vote on a contradiction, why don't you vote for adam, who had reasoning, yet still chose to cast an RVS vote. That's a contradiction.
On February 08 2012 04:14 Jayjay54 wrote:
also, as you are claiming a power role, aren't you afraid of our precious catwoman?
"With her honed skills she is able to eliminate one player a night regardless of protections".
That doesn't look smart to me.
i've already stated there is no way i would be outting if i was one of their targets
my role can't afford to die n1, given flavor text. I really need to be kept alive, so I had to out, especially given that I was #1 on the neighborizer list, so if another town PR knew I was town given my case on Kenpachi, mafia already had a HUGE target on my back
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On February 08 2012 04:15 Palmar wrote:
BM is insane.
That's the only logical explanation to this mess. For what it's worth he's probably not scum, or at least not a super obvious one.
palmar, dude, cut the personal insults
im about to replace out because of these
im not joking
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On February 08 2012 04:17 Adam4167 wrote:
@BM
You may have buddied the shit out of me in TL50, but it was the buddying that alerted me to your bullshit early on in the piece. If it weren't for your bodyguards, I was vig'ing you out of that game N1.
You make it out like me voting for jaybrundage is so scummy because "ZOMG he hasn't posted yet!". This might actually mean something if I hadn't declared I was voting for someone who hadn't posted yet when I placed the vote.
I am not going to cast a serious vote with my first post of the game. I wanted reactions from the people I questioned and then I would vote based on the additional information (ie their responses).
You're claiming meta of me after one game which I half-played and three posts in this game? Come on.
Your 'case' involves repeating the same 2 things over and over, and is crap as a result.
I like how Ico sheeps your (bad) case BM, then says you're on drugs in the same post. Stinks of scum.
##Vote: Ico
ok, so you'd rather waste your vote on someone potentially modkilled, for instance if you end up not being able to log back on due to relationship issues (im assuming you have a relationship), and cant make more than one post, versus having it on someone you have decent, if not solid, reasoning on? I'm not buying it.
I also am not buying the fact that you didn't time this post perfectly
It is a delayed OMGUS on ico
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On February 08 2012 04:18 Jayjay54 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 04:15 Toadesstern wrote:On February 08 2012 04:14 Jayjay54 wrote:
also, as you are claiming a power role, aren't you afraid of our precious catwoman?
"With her honed skills she is able to eliminate one player a night regardless of protections".
That doesn't look smart to me. he's what I thought VE was last game. Or he's stupid. Noone knows difference is that there is a third party in the game with the sole purpose to kill blue power roles regardless of protection. VE's move was stupid. BM's move is just plain out dumb. and I still want to hear from him and palmar why my case on Doc is bad. Seriously. I love discussions about scum candidates, they are always town favoured (unlike third party discussions). => Just saying "you are stupid" is not pro town.
notice how he says "my move is dumb" as opposed to "bm is dumb"
that's the difference, palmar. It's called being a man, and not using ad hominem.
Furthermore, this post isn't even guilty of IIoA, information instead of analysis. It would be, if you ONLY take the bolded, but he has stated that he's worried catwoman or batman needs to kill me (they don't)
On February 08 2012 04:20 Palmar wrote:
okay, I'll rephrase.
You're not insane.
However, what you're doing doesn't make any sense at all, it's completely useless and bad. It's one of the more stupid things I've seen in a mafia game. This is nothing personal, I have the right to criticize your actions because they affect the game. I'm not saying you're dumb, just that everything you're doing is dumb.
If we have 16 blues claiming
that's over half the player list
if we get double nameclaims (is it possible to nameclaim?! noone will answer me) then it's a one vs one scenario town vs scum to be lynched... it's not going to happen, or it would literally be autowin if they all did that
after all the blues out, we have 15 people left, with over half being scum or 3rd party
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On February 08 2012 04:25 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 04:23 Bill Murray wrote:On February 08 2012 04:17 Adam4167 wrote:
@BM
You may have buddied the shit out of me in TL50, but it was the buddying that alerted me to your bullshit early on in the piece. If it weren't for your bodyguards, I was vig'ing you out of that game N1.
You make it out like me voting for jaybrundage is so scummy because "ZOMG he hasn't posted yet!". This might actually mean something if I hadn't declared I was voting for someone who hadn't posted yet when I placed the vote.
I am not going to cast a serious vote with my first post of the game. I wanted reactions from the people I questioned and then I would vote based on the additional information (ie their responses).
You're claiming meta of me after one game which I half-played and three posts in this game? Come on.
Your 'case' involves repeating the same 2 things over and over, and is crap as a result.
I like how Ico sheeps your (bad) case BM, then says you're on drugs in the same post. Stinks of scum.
##Vote: Ico
ok, so you'd rather waste your vote on someone potentially modkilled, for instance if you end up not being able to log back on due to relationship issues (im assuming you have a relationship), and cant make more than one post, versus having it on someone you have decent, if not solid, reasoning on? I'm not buying it. I also am not buying the fact that you didn't time this post perfectly It is a delayed OMGUS on ico Isn't it a bit weak to attack timing from a person who hasn't been all that active?
it's just funny that ico unvoted him 10 minutes ago
who's to say he isn't active in his mafia quicktime?
On February 08 2012 04:27 Toadesstern wrote:
Oh and BM sry for calling it stupid as well. I'm getting carried away with all those insults. So if you really got it as an insult I'm sorry about that and will stop it.
I just don't know if I'm believing a word you say so rephrase "stupid" with "weird" or "bullshit" (bullshit in like you're making it up).
Will try to keep the insults on wbg only from now on.
It's alright, man. I don't mind my ideas being called stupid, as long as it's not a personal attack, because that makes me want to backlash (and i can't afford that, nor do i want that, on the internet)
I understand what you're saying. you don't know if you can trust me. The thing is, I don't know if i can trust any of you all, either. I am always pushing people claiming to me in PM (we dont have PMs this game) as a blue, and that's essentially what i'm doing here
look at haunted mafia, where i was modkilled for aggressively posting just like this as a mad hatter
look at my first game of mafia ever where i was a detective and claimed to 3 people in pm d1
look at this game where i could have claimed in the neighborizer, but i chose to out that id rather claim here, before claiming the neighborizer exists whatsoever
we have 5-7 vig shots, plus batman wanting hugo dead, PLUS our lynches
if we massclaim and reduce the scum to the wiggle room of either making it a one person vs one person lynch on "no i'm the riddler" "no you're not, i am!", or claiming townie, then that's great for town, and we can organize our blues freely, right in their faces.
One thing people don't realize about teamliquid is there are too many powerroles in a game, and it is unfairly balanced for the town because of all the modkills that occur (whether we want to admit it or not)
i am merely wanting to abuse the fact that we are on tier 3 tech before them
On February 08 2012 04:30 hiro protagonist wrote:
Everyone should ignore Bill until he starts making sense. Anyone doing otherwise at this time is very bad for town atmosphere.
ok? why?
you're also contradicting yourself, and being hypocritical. Am I not the only name you spoke of, here?
I am not seeing your protown play that I saw from you as a detective in L, why not?
nervous?
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ah, i thought you did. you called him out for the same post i did.
risk.nuke called me a maniacal egocentric in the quicktopic, so im a bit flustered, and potentially modkilled as a power role, because it made me erase a message asking him to stop using ad hominem. I didn't want to get into discussion of it, and I was even going to delete the "fuck you" post, but you can't delete two posts previous in there...
if i don't get modkilled, I will probably be posting less than I have been, considering noone is biting on the "massclaim and simply win" strategy that we could easily employ
chaoser, I understand it might be ~12-15 and not 16, but there is no way it's under 10-12 
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I want everyone to answer these:
1) How were you introduced to mafia?
2) How would you describe your playstyle?
3) Are you better as mafia, or town?
RVS is overrated.
I personally prefer RQS, and having a questionnaire.
As such, I will initiate that:
I'll go first.
1) I first started here, on Teamliquid
2) I would say that I'm erratic, with unique and creative ideas
3) I am better at getting people to listen to me as mafia, but sometimes I am obvious. I would say I am better overall at being town, though, like this game, people rarely listen to me. I am actually a very good scumhunter, which is why I was kind of nervous when I got a power role.
@adam, on page 14 you voted for someone who, having not posted, was in line to be modkilled
in that post you had legit reasoning to vote kurumi
why would you vote for someone you had to have a null read on, unless he's your scumbuddy, when you may end up being stuck with that vote if you can't get back on before the deadline? (internet problems, family problems, zombie apocalypse)
wouldnt it be better to have a vote on someone you have reasoning on, regardless of when it occurs within the game?
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why would i troll about wanting to learn about you all? do you not like meta, palmar?
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both the RG and the CC wagons are riddled with scum
im going to vote sheth on deductive reasoning, an itching feeling, and meta feel based upon his scum game
##unvote: adam
##vote: sheth
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On February 08 2012 05:28 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 05:25 rgTheSchworz wrote:
It's a normal game, I don't know why it wouldn't. Don't ever do anything like that again. We should probably hang you to punish bad play YOU HAVE LIKE 6 VOTES OR SOMETHING, THAT'S FUCKING NOTHING. I'm done with this, can't deal with more stupidity.
if we lynched people for bad play, you wouldnt make it to night one
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On February 07 2012 08:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:I feel pretty good about Liquid'Sheth, Cyber_Cheese, VisceraEyes, and possibly Tunkeg as a team at this point. CC is accusing me of being catwoman out of nowhere. This is absurd, the VE defense force is out now as I expected. This only increases my confidence in my vote. Kitaman reasoned pretty well, let me explain further why I don't like VE. This is a player who made it understood, before the game, that he would be active. 1. His first post is defending Sheth by attacking a player who is suspicious of him, with no substance. He asks a question to the mod, this is a great thing to do as scum by the way it gives you something to fall back on that scum "totally wouldn't do". Sheth's only posts are early starting the easy FOS on kenpachi that happens in literally every single game kenpachi plays in. He is the easiest person to get lynched Day 1 usually, mafia want EASY bandwagons that look kinda scummy, they only risk huge lynches when they are threatened. 2. Is totally inactive, shows up again when he is called out and then OMGUS votes. You're voting to lynch someone on Day 1 because you don't like their "reasons" for voting? But the reasons for voting on KPach who green claims every single game meaninglessly are solid right? 3. Other players defending him chainsaw. Liquid'Sheth also comes back with more fluffy comments about the already finished Batman discussion. I really wish we would stop beating this horse and CC's claims are even more ridiculous. I'll address those soon in this post but let me reiterate it makes no strategical advantage for Batman OR Catwoman to shoot before using DT. Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 06:36 VisceraEyes wrote:First of all ##Unvote: kitaman27Now for the good stuff. VisceraEyes Lynch List of Accuracylayabout - For criticizing others play as being non-contributory, yet contributes nothing of substance himself. Any idea who he thinks is scum? Me either. Katina - Again, criticizing others for not contributing, but not contributing. Masquerading doesn't count guys - you actually have to do something. kitaman27 - Kita appears to be doing something akin to scumhunting, and because he's a veteran, I'm willing to wait on his lynch - however, I think he's scum because he appealed to Forumite's suspicion of me to try and get a bandwagon started, but never even really voted for me…just stinks and I don't like it. But again, Kita is my weakest read at this point and I wouldn't be butthurt if we didn't lynch him today. Also, Palmar is mistaken - lynching me is totally NOT always a net-gain for town. He's saying this because he's a prick. So, there you have it. ##Vote: layabout All 3 players contributed more than he did. All VE has done is defend himself. All you're really doing is pointing out 2 players who haven't contributed much yet but making it look like you're doing some serious scumhunting. I don't know if you are usually this dramatic about absolutely nothing as town though. Someone can inform me of that. Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 07:13 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
alright, new plan, if hugo winds up dead, the joker comes forward.
And we kill docH because he's catwoman Ridiculous. Even if I was Catwoman, I'd have no incentive to use my hits until late in the game. DO NOT WASTE LYNCHES ON THIRD PARTY. IT IS A WASTED LYNCH. Town does NOT win by lynching SKs. Town must LYNCH scum. Catwoman is a threat to town, mafia is a bigger threat, and the only threat that involves our win condition. Not only is his interpretation of my posts which are focused on making sure the town doesn't give up the joker terrible, but he misunderstands my whole point. My whole point is that Batman/Catwoman shouldn't shoot. We can't cut a bargain with them because they have no incentive to "help" us and can't even claim. HE was the one who made the plan centered around killing a townie to help Batman, I said we don't need to do it and realized pretty quickly that BM/CW won't even shoot early game. That makes me catwoman? That's the most desperate call I've ever heard. JayJay says "a scum win is a catwoman win", which is not true. CW wins if Two-Face and Penguin are dead. She does not want scum to win the game before that happens. If that happens, she does not care who wins. It's as simple as that. Yes it is a role that hurts town. It is also a lower priority than lynching mafia. Insinuating that I might be third party or scum for saying we should just use our lynches to kill scum really is a mindfuck and I'm gonna be really disappointed if both of you guys flip green or blue at the end of this game, take some time off to learn how to play town please. There are a lot of FOSs flying around which is good for later analysis. I don't like Kurumi or Palmar right now but it'll take a bit of time to see how that develops. For the time being my strongest reads are on : Liquid'Sheth - Long posts with no substance/easy FOS VE - Posts only to defend himself/others for most of the game CC - FOS me for talking about neutrals when he invented the bad plan focusing on them, advocates lynching third party instead of scum Kurumi - I don't like these "scum list" things, especially on Day 1. It makes it look like you did some work but there's basically no thought in it. No one cares what your little hunches are. It is alright to have some FOSs flying around if you flip it gives us something to go off of, but put some more thought into it, that's all.
this one quote has more content than you, CC
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On February 08 2012 08:24 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Ugh still been catching up, just finished now.
I feel like RG might be Hugo.
Ico seems like a decent choice for lynch, if for some reason he comes up as a viable option, I could agree to swap.
@BM, you are insane, but in an awesome makes the game more interesting way. Please never change!
thank you very much
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unvote: sheth
##Vote: Kurumi
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it's in like 4 hours and 20 minutes, I believe
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