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On February 14 2012 04:18 Toadesstern wrote: why do you believe rad is not mafia. it's quite urgent schworz. | ||
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Other than that I don't see a single reason for Palmar to lie to us if he's Batman. | ||
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He only said people should poke radfield. It's not even a fos or something. | ||
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What's the point in lynching a DT? It's 15-5 if we lynch a blue DT tonight it's going to be 14-5 and that will make it something like 10-4 (assuming we vig a mafia and Batman straight up shoots me) and mafia still has 3 KP. You think Batman wants that to happen when he still needs to find a mafia? | ||
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On February 14 2012 06:00 Tunkeg wrote: EBWOP: Hmmm, I don't know if I should get cold feets or what but it looks like it is the newer players + Forumite + 3rd party that is on the Radfield lynch. Does this mean that: a) We are getting properly manipulated by Palmar and Kurumi? b) We are on the right track as some of the more experienced players would have jumped all over this if they were scum and Radfield were town. the point is both Batman and CW want a decently long game. The only way to lose for batman is if mafia wins before we lynch Hugo. Batman wins with us right now. CW needs to kill two blue roles but she also needs a long game to do that. She can't just shoot into us and hope she'll hit something. That's probably why palmar included the blue tags when he made the list, to give kurumi a little help and prevent a rampage. Again, if the rad-lynch turns out to be a townie both third partie roles basicly lost the game because this will be over to soon. Unless of course batman already knows who Hugo is but he got rb'ed last night so I doubt that. Not to mention that Hugo is still alive. So again, both third parties need a long game right now. It's 15vs5. If they manipulate us into lynching a townie it's 14v5 and is soon within 2 more nights and 1 more day I'd say. Remember mafia got 3 KP *2 = 6 kills, CW needs to kill 2 blues and Batman needs to kill me. That makes 9 KP we're going to take the next 2 nights if Batman hits me and CW hits penguin or Twoface and only 2 KP on townside. My one shot (before Batman kills me) and the one shot that kills hugo. That's way to close for comfort. | ||
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On February 14 2012 06:12 Kurumi wrote: Why are You multiplying KP Toad? o_o 1KP = 1 life down I missed an "over" in my post. I wanted to say if we lynch a townie it's probably over or at least pretty over within 2 nights and 1 day. night 1 (the night after this lynch) mafia gets 3 KP, batman shoots me 1KP (let's assume he knows hugo strange and therefore shoots me first because whatever), CW needs to shoot 2 blues, so that's another 1KP which is a total of 5 KP night 1 and one KP for town because I shoot someone. Next day we lynch someone which is one Town-KP. Next night batman shoots hugo which is 1 town-KP, CW shoots a blue 1KP, Mafia has 3KP. That's another 4KP for Mafia and 1 more KP for town. So if thirdparties are trying to make us mislynch they basicly give mafia a free turn at shooting townies. That's why 2 times 3KP. | ||
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It's 5 mafia alive. If rad flips Hugo it is indeed my last day alive If rad flips someone else we still got 4 Mafia left, one of them is bound to be Hugo and Mafia has to deal with me as well to stand a chance. Why should he waste a hit on me when he can hunt Hugo while leaving me for mafia? The only way to lose this for palmar is if town loses or if we end up having only 1 mafia alive at a day because in that scenario we'd lynch the last one before he killed me. If we got 2 mafias alive at day we'll lynch one, which makes it 1 into the night. He shoots me, I shoot the mafia. Town and Batman win. If it's 2 at night he shoots me as well because as mentioned it's too dangerous to let a X v 1 happen when the next cycle is a daycycle. For now we're nowhere near to those 2 scenarios. It's 5 mafias alive and it's not like we're going to kill all 5 right now. I don't have protection any more, he can just onehit. Ok we still got Penguin that guy MAYBE makes it another KP town gut but I doubt that he's a multishot vig as well. We're already missing KP in our lists. Anyways let's say he's going to add 1 safety point to both scenarios to make sure we don't vig the last two mafias before he wins. Still no need to kill me today. If he fears that town might lose or that Kurumu might shoot into town he's going to shoot a mafia to make sure we don't lose. If he thinks he does not need to shoot a Mafia he'll use his DT to find Hugo without shooting mafias to make sure this game lasts a little bit longer. | ||
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On February 14 2012 07:19 Jayjay54 wrote: I don't know if he agrees. if he disagrees he could have shot me yesterday. After all Clayface wasn't protecting me from Batman that night. Why am I still alive? Palmar never shot me although he had the chance to. He's afraid that mafia might win before this ends. He's even pretty sure that his mafia list is flawed because he too agrees, that forumite looks way greener now. No way is he risking to let mafia win. | ||
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On February 14 2012 09:30 RayzorFlash wrote: Oh wait, i just reread te post... Since i believe everything he says, and can vouch for him, i guess the part where he says i have to die is also true... This is a tough spot for me to be in being only my second mafia game so i'll let town decide what to do because the part of your role that locks your kill to me means that i'll have to sacrifice myself to allow you to use your bullet on anyone else... I'm kicking you for choosing Ico though... Lol well idk. If he's really the riddler and what he says is true mafia surly won't kill you. Simple as that. And Town won't lynch you because of that, unless the think you're mafia. Town needs to lynch mafia right now. Palmar might be scared that we're going to win because if what he says we can kill 4 people at night if this happens and might kill me because he's scared. Ah damn that claim really is not helping town at all. Now you forced batman to shoot a townie... | ||
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On February 14 2012 09:43 RayzorFlash wrote: I havent actually succeeded in the game yet though, so i'm asking BC if i can purposefully fail on that and die through it so that we dont waste a lynch on me after a solid day of discussion and getting Radfield on the chopping block, where i think he belongs (as does chaoser)... Whether you choose to trust me on that is up to y'all, lol... I just want town to win -_- I think you're not allowed to do that but idk. Let's assume you are allowed to do that, would that be possible AFTER the lynch? | ||
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Congrats on forcing Batman to shoot me because we're most likely going to get 4 KP sometime soon and he probably won't risk to lose like that even if he thinks that Mafia won't touch rayzor from now on. Oh and you forced CW to shoot into town as well. REALLY NICE JOB. Why didn't you shut up? | ||
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On February 14 2012 10:05 RayzorFlash wrote: Anyone who doesnt jump and vote me immediately without a good excuse should be looked at closely... There is NO reason for town to not want 3 more bullets at the cost of one townie life... People who dont switch are either scum, third party, or stupid, lol... That is wrong. We get 3 KP but therefore Mafia gets 5 or 6 KP! Just look at what you're saying! If we lynch you tonight we lost a townie (according to you) which is 1KP for mafia. Also Mafia get's 3 free KP because we gave them a free night cycle in which they can kill people. It's like forcing a nolynch, giving mafia 3 KP just that it's worse because we're giving them a townie on top of that. So that's already 4 free KP for mafia, if you don't want to count the lynch as KP fine, you sitll forced Batman and CW to shoot into town because of that bullshit. That's another 2KP. Everyone should think about this. YES if Kitas claim is true town gets 3KP but Mafia get the VERY SAME THING because they can shoot 3 people every night themselves + Bat + CW. On top of that mafia won't miss like I did all the time. Kita might miss. | ||
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I think we stay on radfield for today and talk about chaoser tomorrow. | ||
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