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On February 09 2012 19:54 Toadesstern wrote:
Palmar claimed he's sharing his role with me and it looks like he actually is Two-Face. After Schworz claimed Two-Face himself I told everyone that he's a liar and I am twoface making another big post but palmar retracted his claim and there was no way to keep my fakeclaim up at this point.
Yes I didn't care if he gets shots because there was no way for me to make stick with my fakeclaim at that point in time,
Who cares if your fakeclaim sticks or not? You just had to keep up the WIFOM until the night was over. I agree that Palmar messed up by taking back his claim first, but you didn´t help any by taking back your claim.
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On February 09 2012 20:01 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 19:59 Tyrran wrote:On February 09 2012 19:49 Forumite wrote:On February 09 2012 18:36 Toadesstern wrote:
My play was ingenious and Schworz ruined it for no good reason. I also think if he really is Two-Face he would have known what I'm up to. No, you ruined things for Schworz. If you were trying to defend Two-Face, then you wouldn´t have taken back your claim when Schworz claimed. You made him a bigger target, when what you should have done is still claim Two-Face, then explain in the morning. Taking back your claim suggests that either you are the true Two-Face, or you don´t care about Schworz being nightkilled. I´m leaning towards the second one. On February 09 2012 18:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 09 2012 18:42 Tunkeg wrote:On February 09 2012 18:40 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote:
What shit? what was going on yesterday. What do you think about the fact that a claimed DT is telling us a blue role of ours is in fact red? Could you think of a plausible reason for a townie to tell us a blue is actually a red role? Why don't you call DrH a claimed blue as well, when you call rgTS a claimed DT. Neither of them are confirmed... Because the language I used in my posts refers to Toadessterns role PM specifically. I checked with BC a great deal to make sure that we would have enough similarities in our PM for me to be able to confirm myself to him as well. Bullshit, breadcrumbing parts of your rolePM is a modkill offence, lying about breadcrumbing is not however. I don´t believe BC gave you two a free pass until I see it in the thread. On February 09 2012 16:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Alright, BC also says that no mechanics of a persons own role will be hidden from them. Meaning if you are an insane DT you would know it. Is there any chances that your checks are not completely reliable rG?
BC also confirmed that there are no outside influences that could change the result of a check on me (framing power). If I'm wrong about any of this BC pleas
So as far as I see it there are only two possibilities. rGTheSchworz is lying or rGTheScworz is insane. Or the two of you and Toades are lying. Except for his read coming up as Quilty, rather than a role, is the only thing that looks weird about Schworz, otherwise he acts exactly like I would expect a Town Newbie seeing someone else fakeclaim his role would do.On the other hand you and Toades are giving off several scumsigns, drawing out a blue and then trying to get him killed. If either side is scum, then I´m leaning towards DocH and Toades. ##vote DoctorHelvetica Why would Toad&DocH sacrifice two mafia to get rid of two face, who is going to get killed sooner or later by catwoman anyway ( more likely sooner since he has claimed) ? Why we can argue a long time on whether or not they should be modkilled, what they are doing makes Zero sense as mafia. And even less as third party. Unless someone comes up with a good explanation, i'd rather lynch rGTheSchwortz. see that's how you confirm yourself as a townie to me. Forumite 'sup?
OMGUS much?
You still haven´t explained why you didn´t just keep claiming Two-Face yesterday. If you believed Schworz was Two-Face then you´d keep claiming.
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On February 09 2012 20:17 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 20:17 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 20:15 Forumite wrote:On February 09 2012 20:01 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 19:59 Tyrran wrote:On February 09 2012 19:49 Forumite wrote:On February 09 2012 18:36 Toadesstern wrote:
My play was ingenious and Schworz ruined it for no good reason. I also think if he really is Two-Face he would have known what I'm up to. No, you ruined things for Schworz. If you were trying to defend Two-Face, then you wouldn´t have taken back your claim when Schworz claimed. You made him a bigger target, when what you should have done is still claim Two-Face, then explain in the morning. Taking back your claim suggests that either you are the true Two-Face, or you don´t care about Schworz being nightkilled. I´m leaning towards the second one. On February 09 2012 18:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 09 2012 18:42 Tunkeg wrote:On February 09 2012 18:40 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote:
What shit? what was going on yesterday. What do you think about the fact that a claimed DT is telling us a blue role of ours is in fact red? Could you think of a plausible reason for a townie to tell us a blue is actually a red role? Why don't you call DrH a claimed blue as well, when you call rgTS a claimed DT. Neither of them are confirmed... Because the language I used in my posts refers to Toadessterns role PM specifically. I checked with BC a great deal to make sure that we would have enough similarities in our PM for me to be able to confirm myself to him as well. Bullshit, breadcrumbing parts of your rolePM is a modkill offence, lying about breadcrumbing is not however. I don´t believe BC gave you two a free pass until I see it in the thread. On February 09 2012 16:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Alright, BC also says that no mechanics of a persons own role will be hidden from them. Meaning if you are an insane DT you would know it. Is there any chances that your checks are not completely reliable rG?
BC also confirmed that there are no outside influences that could change the result of a check on me (framing power). If I'm wrong about any of this BC pleas
So as far as I see it there are only two possibilities. rGTheSchworz is lying or rGTheScworz is insane. Or the two of you and Toades are lying. Except for his read coming up as Quilty, rather than a role, is the only thing that looks weird about Schworz, otherwise he acts exactly like I would expect a Town Newbie seeing someone else fakeclaim his role would do.On the other hand you and Toades are giving off several scumsigns, drawing out a blue and then trying to get him killed. If either side is scum, then I´m leaning towards DocH and Toades. ##vote DoctorHelvetica Why would Toad&DocH sacrifice two mafia to get rid of two face, who is going to get killed sooner or later by catwoman anyway ( more likely sooner since he has claimed) ? Why we can argue a long time on whether or not they should be modkilled, what they are doing makes Zero sense as mafia. And even less as third party. Unless someone comes up with a good explanation, i'd rather lynch rGTheSchwortz. see that's how you confirm yourself as a townie to me. Forumite 'sup? OMGUS much? You still haven´t explained why you didn´t just keep claiming Two-Face yesterday. If you believed Schworz was Two-Face then you´d keep claiming. I kept claiming. Palmar retracted his claim and everything was going down so I stopped it and he even explained to everyone that I'm a vet who's trying to catch bullets to protect Two-Face. There was no way to stick with it at that point in time. EBWOP
So? If you wanted to catch bullets, then say Palmar was lying, say he was just trying to protect you with the talk about mason, and keep claiming Two-Face.
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On February 09 2012 20:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 20:25 Forumite wrote:On February 09 2012 20:17 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 20:17 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 20:15 Forumite wrote:On February 09 2012 20:01 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 19:59 Tyrran wrote:On February 09 2012 19:49 Forumite wrote:On February 09 2012 18:36 Toadesstern wrote:
My play was ingenious and Schworz ruined it for no good reason. I also think if he really is Two-Face he would have known what I'm up to. No, you ruined things for Schworz. If you were trying to defend Two-Face, then you wouldn´t have taken back your claim when Schworz claimed. You made him a bigger target, when what you should have done is still claim Two-Face, then explain in the morning. Taking back your claim suggests that either you are the true Two-Face, or you don´t care about Schworz being nightkilled. I´m leaning towards the second one. On February 09 2012 18:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 09 2012 18:42 Tunkeg wrote:
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Why don't you call DrH a claimed blue as well, when you call rgTS a claimed DT. Neither of them are confirmed... Because the language I used in my posts refers to Toadessterns role PM specifically. I checked with BC a great deal to make sure that we would have enough similarities in our PM for me to be able to confirm myself to him as well. Bullshit, breadcrumbing parts of your rolePM is a modkill offence, lying about breadcrumbing is not however. I don´t believe BC gave you two a free pass until I see it in the thread. On February 09 2012 16:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Alright, BC also says that no mechanics of a persons own role will be hidden from them. Meaning if you are an insane DT you would know it. Is there any chances that your checks are not completely reliable rG?
BC also confirmed that there are no outside influences that could change the result of a check on me (framing power). If I'm wrong about any of this BC pleas
So as far as I see it there are only two possibilities. rGTheSchworz is lying or rGTheScworz is insane. Or the two of you and Toades are lying. Except for his read coming up as Quilty, rather than a role, is the only thing that looks weird about Schworz, otherwise he acts exactly like I would expect a Town Newbie seeing someone else fakeclaim his role would do.On the other hand you and Toades are giving off several scumsigns, drawing out a blue and then trying to get him killed. If either side is scum, then I´m leaning towards DocH and Toades. ##vote DoctorHelvetica Why would Toad&DocH sacrifice two mafia to get rid of two face, who is going to get killed sooner or later by catwoman anyway ( more likely sooner since he has claimed) ? Why we can argue a long time on whether or not they should be modkilled, what they are doing makes Zero sense as mafia. And even less as third party. Unless someone comes up with a good explanation, i'd rather lynch rGTheSchwortz. see that's how you confirm yourself as a townie to me. Forumite 'sup? OMGUS much? You still haven´t explained why you didn´t just keep claiming Two-Face yesterday. If you believed Schworz was Two-Face then you´d keep claiming. I kept claiming. Palmar retracted his claim and everything was going down so I stopped it and he even explained to everyone that I'm a vet who's trying to catch bullets to protect Two-Face. There was no way to stick with it at that point in time. EBWOP So? If you wanted to catch bullets, then say Palmar was lying, say he was just trying to protect you with the talk about mason, and keep claiming Two-Face. he fucked up. he can't actually go back and redo everything to make the best possible move so what exactly do you want?
I want to know if there are any Town reasons for him doing what he did. If there is no Town reasons then I must assume there are scum reasons. Messing up happens, at least we didn´t loose a Blue because of it, but we could have.
Toades, I don´t care who, just tell me, do you have a read on a Two-Face that isn´t Schworz?
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On February 09 2012 20:39 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 20:36 Forumite wrote:On February 09 2012 20:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 09 2012 20:25 Forumite wrote:On February 09 2012 20:17 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 20:17 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 20:15 Forumite wrote:On February 09 2012 20:01 Toadesstern wrote:On February 09 2012 19:59 Tyrran wrote:On February 09 2012 19:49 Forumite wrote:
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No, you ruined things for Schworz. If you were trying to defend Two-Face, then you wouldn´t have taken back your claim when Schworz claimed. You made him a bigger target, when what you should have done is still claim Two-Face, then explain in the morning. Taking back your claim suggests that either you are the true Two-Face, or you don´t care about Schworz being nightkilled. I´m leaning towards the second one.
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Bullshit, breadcrumbing parts of your rolePM is a modkill offence, lying about breadcrumbing is not however. I don´t believe BC gave you two a free pass until I see it in the thread.
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Or the two of you and Toades are lying. Except for his read coming up as Quilty, rather than a role, is the only thing that looks weird about Schworz, otherwise he acts exactly like I would expect a Town Newbie seeing someone else fakeclaim his role would do.On the other hand you and Toades are giving off several scumsigns, drawing out a blue and then trying to get him killed. If either side is scum, then I´m leaning towards DocH and Toades.
##vote DoctorHelvetica Why would Toad&DocH sacrifice two mafia to get rid of two face, who is going to get killed sooner or later by catwoman anyway ( more likely sooner since he has claimed) ? Why we can argue a long time on whether or not they should be modkilled, what they are doing makes Zero sense as mafia. And even less as third party. Unless someone comes up with a good explanation, i'd rather lynch rGTheSchwortz. see that's how you confirm yourself as a townie to me. Forumite 'sup? OMGUS much? You still haven´t explained why you didn´t just keep claiming Two-Face yesterday. If you believed Schworz was Two-Face then you´d keep claiming. I kept claiming. Palmar retracted his claim and everything was going down so I stopped it and he even explained to everyone that I'm a vet who's trying to catch bullets to protect Two-Face. There was no way to stick with it at that point in time. EBWOP So? If you wanted to catch bullets, then say Palmar was lying, say he was just trying to protect you with the talk about mason, and keep claiming Two-Face. he fucked up. he can't actually go back and redo everything to make the best possible move so what exactly do you want? I want to know if there are any Town reasons for him doing what he did. If there is no Town reasons then I must assume there are scum reasons. Messing up happens, at least we didn´t loose a Blue because of it, but we could have. Toades, I don´t care who, just tell me, do you have a read on a Two-Face that isn´t Schworz? Palmar's Two-Face isn't he? Also you yourself said there's no reason for Schworz to claim Two-Face after I claimed two-face yesterday. Yet you keep telling me you want to lynch me because I fucked up (still doubt it) but you're totally fine with Catwoman (Schworz) claiming Two-Face?
I know Schworz messed up, if he was the real Two-Face he should have just shut up and waited until the next morning. The difference is that that move looks like a Newbie mistake, you taking back your claim looks more deliberate. That´s why I understand Schworz claiming, but not you taking back your claim.
I´m willing to let it be for now, as long as there´s something to discuss until later in the day.
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I agree with Tyrran, wait with the claim, if you have to do it at all.
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On February 09 2012 20:59 Toadesstern wrote:
Thoughts on hiro, sheth, risk.nuke, opz anyone?
I'd like to see all of those 4 dead.
I agree about Hiro and Sheth, they need to die.
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On February 09 2012 21:02 Tunkeg wrote:
Yes, wait with your claim. And for the veterans in this games (or whoever it is that consider themself the top of the pops in here). If DrH claims by name, and he claims a role someone else allready have. Should there be counterclaim?
The reason why I am asking is that I fear that if DrH is scum, he might do a desperate nameclaim to either:
A) Save himself (best scenario for himself)
B) Draw out another blue before he dies.
To avoid anymore premature claims, please make a general consensus about this.
If DocH fakeclaims when the lynch is between him and someone else, then I think the real character should claim, thereby guaranteeing that the lynch will go on an anti-Town player. If DocH is not up for the lynch, then it´s up to the real one if he wants to claim now or later.
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On February 09 2012 22:18 ico wrote:
@ everyone inside the phone network: Did Jason say who he'd kill last night?
Nope, Jackal didn´t say anything about nightkilling anyone.
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So confused, we have two strong reads on 3rd Party, why don´t we take them out now and be done with it? There are Town vigilantes who can shoot scum in the night, but won´t have an effect on Batman or Catwoman. The logical thing would be to lynch Radfield now, and shoot Sheth.
For now:
##Unvote DoctorHelvetica
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On February 09 2012 23:56 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 23:55 Forumite wrote:
So confused, we have two strong reads on 3rd Party, why don´t we take them out now and be done with it? There are Town vigilantes who can shoot scum in the night, but won´t have an effect on Batman or Catwoman. The logical thing would be to lynch Radfield now, and shoot Sheth.
For now:
##Unvote DoctorHelvetica I already explained that town vigis can be blocked, and the mafia can protect sheth.
So? Doublestack, counting everyone who claimed they got hit yesterday, there should be lots of vigis. Scum has a medic and a veteran, so unless Sheth is Rashagul (or something), he´ll die if two vigis shoot him.
If you are so confident in your read on Radfield, then we should kill him instead.
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We lynch Radfield, then shoot Sheth
##vote Radfield
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Seriously? Ally with the batman?
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Instead of calling me scum for doubting this crazy plan, how about someone actually trying to convince me that it´s a good idea?
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On February 10 2012 00:39 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 00:34 Jayjay54 wrote:On February 10 2012 00:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Looking through rG's filter I have to retract some of my claims against him. He didn't claim actual immortality, so his later statements are consistent. It's consistent with his first DT (no name) claim too.
I just don't understand why he got a guilty read on me if I'm Clayface but that discussion isn't going anywhere until he comes back to this thread. what about clayface hidden stuff. you appear randomly as someone when checked. because you can turn into anything. Basically a flavoured miller. he'd know that himself because there would something telling him Show nested quote +you appear randomly as someone when checked. because you can turn into anything. Basically a flavoured miller. in his role pm. Apparently it's not. And I don't see how lynching a bunch of mafias is a bad idea forumite. What's up with you? Not to mention that a "He is Batman" read is WAAAAY harder to do than a "he is not town read". You're telling us to lynch someone we think might end being batman. What happens if palmar and I am wrong about this? Yeah it makes sense and it looks like Rad is batman but I'm not going to jump off a cliff if he's not to quote what palmar said. If lynching palmar turns out bad we're screwed BIG TIME. There is NOT A SINGLE reason to lynch radfield right now given his claim.
It sounded like Palmar was 100% sure that Radfield is Batman, you are saying that you are doubting this now? In that case, why did Palmar claim Joker in the first place? Wasn´t it to be able to make the deal with Radfield? If it doesn´t matter who the Batman is, if it´s not Radfield, then there´s nothing stopping him from ignoring us and going on a rampage, is there?
I think it´s a crazy plan, one of many in this game, but fine, I´ll play along. Let´s kill Sheth.
##unvote Radfield
##vote Liquid`Sheth
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On February 10 2012 06:37 Tunkeg wrote:
I know I am slow but I finally understand why Toad and DrH "knows" about eachother. I should have taken it sooner. And I also understand why you are suspicious of rgTS after this. But as I have said before there is a chance that scumteam have got all the role pm's and one of you are fooling the other. But seing that no one else have claimed Clayface and none have for vet either besides DrH, I am inclined to believe in you (for now at least). Today it do looks like it will be Sheth that gets the bullet. I really hope that Radfield is right though, and as I said before, this lynch will at worst (should at least) give the town proof about Radfields claim. At best Sheth is scum and then we should be in good shape. If this happends expect scum to do revenge attack on Radfield, or perhaps a RB on him.
I have no idea why I get a bad feeling about this post.
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Keep on sheth, we´re lynching him. I don´t have a clear read on Chaoser, but abandoning a target we have a DT check on for one we have nothing on doesn´t make sense, and I can´t think of a town reason for Palmar, the one pushing the Sheth lynch in the first place, would want to change to Chaoser.
I don´t like how disruptive Palmar is compared to his usual Townplay.
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On February 11 2012 18:12 Toadesstern wrote:
Still think Chaoser is probably scum and I as I mentioned I disagree with Palmars scenarios he did. Those scenarios are btw a bad thing for town to do according to my very first coach from my very verst game of mafia. Or it was my 2nd game of mafia but I'm pretty sure wbg gave me that advice because those scenarios make town derp way to much.
Could you please elaborate? This sounds interesting.
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On February 11 2012 19:42 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 19:42 rgTheSchworz wrote:On February 11 2012 19:35 Palmar wrote:
I got hit last night. Look, are you trying to troll us all this game? If you re not dead tonight I suppose you re somewhere on my lynch list. I'm not trolling I'm not lying. I got hit last night.
If you were hit last night, why are you not dead?
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On February 11 2012 20:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 20:23 Palmar wrote:On February 11 2012 20:07 Forumite wrote:On February 11 2012 19:42 Palmar wrote:On February 11 2012 19:42 rgTheSchworz wrote:On February 11 2012 19:35 Palmar wrote:
I got hit last night. Look, are you trying to troll us all this game? If you re not dead tonight I suppose you re somewhere on my lynch list. I'm not trolling I'm not lying. I got hit last night. If you were hit last night, why are you not dead? Because as long as clayface lives he takes all hits for the joker. This is not true.
Sounds like a counterclaim. Either DocH is lying about being clayface, or Palmar is lying about being Joker.
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