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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
February 15 2012 15:18 GMT
#3301
##Vote: hiro protagonist

I'm literally astounded vigs didn't take care of this guy overnight.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
February 15 2012 15:24 GMT
#3302
Adam care to explain why I would stick my neck out to try and save Radfield if I were scum? I was VERY vocal against the Radfield wagon - do you imagine that I would make myself so visible as scum? Because if you do I'm a little offended that you'd consider my play so bad without ever having played with me.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
February 15 2012 15:36 GMT
#3303
Palmar, are you still a subject of Emperor Kurumi? Because after thinking about it, I'm actually willing to lynch Catwoman just as much as I want to lynch scum today...she hasn't hit a single target of hers. And she's running out of townies to go through What do you think?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 15 2012 15:48 GMT
#3304
On February 15 2012 18:52 Palmar wrote:
The correct play today is to kill Kurumi. He's a KP that will be aimed into town every night. It's by far the safest play, even if he's not scum.

The slightly more risky, but still kinda safe play is to kill VisceraEyes, who will 100% flip scum.

I'm wearing a condom so don't worry about unprepared problems.
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 15 2012 15:52 GMT
#3305
Unexpected. Yeah. Unexpected problems.
Hiro or VE.
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Tyrran
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
France777 Posts
February 15 2012 16:20 GMT
#3306
On February 15 2012 22:28 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 22:24 Forumite wrote:
Why Tyrran?


Because he's obvious scum.


I'm not scum, just bad townie that wasn't able to follow a massive spam thread. Shoot me at night if you want me dead, but for now, lets lynch scum.

As for now :

With Radfield lync being that close, it is unlikely that any scum player that would have voted for him didnt switch to chaoser ( who we know was town) Therefore Forumite, tunkeg, quails, palmar, adam4167, katina and kurumi should not be the focus of town today. We have a much higher chance to find scum outside of these people.

This leaves ( I have highligthed my stronger reads) :

hiro protagonist :

On February 11 2012 15:09 hiro protagonist wrote:
WBG is not stupid enough as scum to try and re-direct a lynch from his scum buddy when He had a DT check and 20+ votes on him with hours left in the day. But you know, thats just WIFOM i guess, but why make the effort to look stupid?


Yeah, he is scum. Voted for Sheth day1 , but so did radfield so its entirely possible they decided early that they were going to buss him.

rgtheschworz : As much as I dislike his play this game, I think he is town. Most likely blue ( or his play would make 0 sense). His role should be pretty obvious.

risk.nuke :Town read on him.

rayzorflash : no idea.

evantrees :

On February 13 2012 06:27 evantrees wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 03:53 Tunkeg wrote:
I want to lynch Evantrees today.

Reason 1: Votes

He was one of the ones who hammered through the CC lynch. He voted him late and for apparantly no good reason. Only BM and WBG were later voting for him than.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=309352&currentpage=4#73

He was also the last person voting for Sheth, and it seems like a vote to save face:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=309352&currentpage=6#120

His reasons for voting have been non-existent, these are his 3 "vote" posts:
+ Show Spoiler +

On February 08 2012 12:02 evantrees wrote:
Bah good enough.
##Vote Cyber_Cheese

Proper voting format is

##vote name
BC do you care if there are : in there?


On February 09 2012 18:52 evantrees wrote:
48 hour day cycle, Day ends at 11pm est Thursday.
huh, Isn't it thursday morning now?

Tunkeg brought up something that bugs me.

I ask BC "Are there roles roles that have a mechanic that is not known to the player possessing that role?" and he says that is not the case.

So what about millers?

I really like the idea behind jackals role.

I have no problem voting for someone based on getting utter nonsense from them.
Lets hear something Schworz, until them.

##Vote rgTheSchworz

Also Palmer and Radfield are still alive interesting.

ninja'd+ Show Spoiler +
On February 09 2012 18:42 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 18:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 09 2012 18:38 Palmar wrote:
What shit?

Did you not claim to be Two-Face and lie about being masoned with Toadesstern?


I do not recall anything like that.


On February 09 2012 02:19 Palmar wrote:
I claim two-face too, you see, the role is shared between two people who are basically masons. That's why I told Toad he was dumb. I threw some suspicion on him day 1 without ever intending to lynch him (we're confirmed town to each other, obviously). Also I told him not to claim, but he refused to listen to that.

He's the "good" part (DT) and I'm the "bad" part (vigilante)

So yeah, I can confirm Toad's claim.


On February 09 2012 05:17 Palmar wrote:
we're masoned (ie: we know each other's alignment, confirmed by host).




On February 11 2012 10:24 evantrees wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 10:17 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also why is BM not spamming the thread?


Palmer is doing the job for him.

I am hoping he flips scum so might as well clean up the vote tally list a bit.

##unvote rgtheschworz
##Vote Liquid'Sheth




Reason 2: Filter of nothingness
His filter have no hard stands on anything. Basicly just fluff and one post where he says chaoser is scum, without any reasoning. Nothing that will give him any attention, nothing that will hold him accountable for anything:

On February 10 2012 08:38 evantrees wrote:
Kurumi I like you for some damned reason.

On February 10 2012 08:21 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
On February 10 2012 08:10 Kurumi wrote:
Also Viscera, WBG is voting me because I accussed him of being scum day 1 and actually was right, but Sheth made puppy eyes and I doubted my ability to play this game.
Fuck puppy eyes

Can't wait for my flip. I can't even argue my way out of this because of the sheer mass of people just saying kill me. I'm collecting what reads I have and will submit them right before I die.


Unless BC randomly cut the day length in half I'm pretty sure you have more than 24 hours still, why wait to post them, to make sure they are non missed just repost them all before the lynch.

Which players do you think are hurting town the most?
Too much spam!

Which players do you think are pushing a scum agenda?
chaoser, he was anyways.

Which players do you think are scum?
chaoser



In this crazy game of spam and mad claims and speculations I find posters like Evantrees the most scummy.

Vote ##Evantrees


The vote for sheth was more about saving space than face and I was hoping he flipped scum so why not.
Please at least include the actual terrible reasons for voting cheese.
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 13:12 evantrees wrote:
I think Chaoser is scum, but that may just be me being bitter.
The two main reasons I voted for Cyber_Cheese on day 1, Believing sheth and this. Was rather up in the air about who to vote for.
On February 08 2012 11:53 chaoser wrote:
Kurumi, I'm here defending myself and actually caring. C_C isn't even here talking.



On January 11 2011 18:06 Ace wrote:
kudos to Nemesis and chaoser for being clutch and not thinking like idiots.

Also for future reference of why I believed Subversion had to be Scum:

On January 10 2011 07:34 Ace wrote:
I'll believe Nemesis over an absent player.


Why would you side with someone that isn't even defending himself?

On January 10 2011 11:52 Ace wrote:
Sometimes it's just better to think of a simple answer. You have no idea what the Mafia know and don't know their motives. Hence it's just a simple decision on who is more believable here.


Stop WIFOMing yourself. This was a really simple decision but you got caught up in stuff that really made no sense. Trying to find out who is the other Scum before getting on with the current lynch was a bad idea.


Word

I tried to avoid posting to much nonsense and speculation. Given I like to complain about such things.
I did post this in the phone QT, though honestly surprised gut has gone 1/3 and not 0/3 so far slardar being scum was the other one.

evantrees
02-07-2012
10:58 PM ET (US)

for reference crazy gut says,
Cyber_Cheese is catwoman not batman
and WBG is scum.


"Hey look i'm not scum because I guessed WBG was scum and posted it in the phone QT while doing NOTHING AT ALL to prove it or even suggest it in the main thread".... Actually, that makes you scum.

visceraeyes : No idea. He is bussing hiro so i guess he is town ?

jaybrundage: Leaning scum.

jayjay54 :Town read on him

And me : Not contributing much, and wrong on all my reads. I dont look good. Shoot me if I dont make you beleive i'm town by nigth. But dont waste a lynch on me.

Also Kurumi being CW makes sense. As stated before, killing him would reduce anti town KP, so i'm all up for that.

Kurumi, Hiro, and Evantrees are all valid lynch for me.How about lynching Kurumi then shooting Hiro and Evan (Penguin and Batman)?
Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
February 15 2012 16:33 GMT
#3307
I've decided I want to lynch kurumi.
##Vote Kurumi
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
February 15 2012 19:30 GMT
#3308
Alright my costume is ready. That being said, I won’t be able to post Monday, if the game goes on for that long. It’s Karneval in Cologne. For the US guys: Think St. Patrick day in Chitown or Boston. The town goes nuts and so will I. Hope you’ll accept that excuse, if not look at videos of Kölner Karneval. Alaaf!
NKs: That was kind of what I expected. 4-6 dead townies 0-1 dead scum gg guys! Welcome to the team palmar!

____________________________

Let’s analyze some risk and reward for different lynches. All numbers may be qualitative :D

Lynch hiro: Risk: 65 % Reward: 110 %: He has been scummy all game. He was top of my charts all game. I made a case and voted him d2.
The thing which bothers me is and is making me NOT want to lynch him is that nobody ever opposed a hiro lynch. I tried to find anyone in this whole game to defend him and I couldn’t. There is light pressure on him and still everyone has him booked as scum no one says he's cool (Palmar doesn't count, he's third). Mafia is not putting any efforts in to save him. Other candidates like razor, VE, tyrrant, (forumite), everyone wants to see him dead. Since there is no reason for scum (correct me if I am wrong) to bus right now, I think hiro is just bad town. I realize that I am now stepping up and defend a scum on most list. I want you to reread the last pages and see that everybody is booking him as scum. If he is scum he’s most likely not a PR. So I would suggest lynching somebody else.

Risk: 25% Reward 120 %: Has come back to the top of my kill it with fire list with guys like tyrran saying he’s town. I am curious, where does this townread on nuke come from? I can maybe understand seeing him neutral, but a townread? What for? Please explain. His defense post was shit and his vote was reasoned with “I have decided to”. Plus softdefend. He’s scum. He always has been. He even MIGHT be a PR. I’d lynch him.

VE: Risk 45% Reward 140%. His last post were unimpressive. Arguing to lynch batman, before he comes town was incredibly short-sighted. If the name wasn’t VE, he’d be top of the charts. I already said it on day 1 in this game. I played with him in L. He claimed JOAT and pretended to dayshot, then realized he couldn’t, then used his abilities on vet and mason. He also claimed a missing hit. So he basically was confirmed town that game and still my logic wanted to scream SCUM. I think I even made a case on him after he claimed a shot...
On the other hand however, he’s a VET (I believe) and thus has a fair chance to have a PR if he flips scum as adam rightfully pointed out.
I feel uncertain here. He might be everything from Penguin to fucking GF. His actions look scum, he might be, he might flip town also. Tricky.
@VE: Why do you believe hiro is a good choice, even if he has next to zero resistance?


Kurumi: Risk 5% Reward 100%. This is the safest play. We’ll not kill scum, we’ll kill a KP with a 99% accuracy though.
But here’s the tricky part we must absolutely not mislynch. Even if Palmar hits his target a mislynch would most likely (assuming one BG - Vet save) put us to 6-4 with catwoman still alive. This will be incredibly hard to come back. We need to lynch scum or CW today. No options, crunchtime. Be aware of that, before you shout out random names, who may or may not be scum.

This is also, why Kurumi is a good choice. . It just doesn’t kill scum. No risk, no reward. If we are not sure to lynch scum, we should lynch kurumi.
____________________________
Palmar: You mark Tyrran as scum. This should help you get onboard the risk train if you want to…

On February 16 2012 01:20 Tyrran wrote:
risk.nuke :Town read on him.


You also mentioned a mass claim. Here’s why it is a bad idea. We still have a possible protected person (go penguin!) and one or two vets. If we give out this information, scum will have no trouble whatsoever to kill them in the right order. No KP will be deflected. This is not a good idea imo. If you still think it’s a good idea, tell me why.

The last thing that (still) interests me, why the fuck did you confirm rg as a DT? How do you know he’s town and why should you care with you being CW and all. I feel like rg needs to be looked at one more time. But not today.

Summary: I’ll lynch Kurumi or risk. I’d be up for a lynch on VE and maybe Tyrran as well if that’s what town desires, they are more risky though. I’ll not sheep into hiro. That’s what scum wants right now.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
February 15 2012 20:56 GMT
#3309
I'm not asking for anyone to sheep. I'm asking for town to look at this guy's posts, realize the obvious conclusion and lynch accordingly. If scum want to bus the shit out of their members, I'll take a gift. This late in the game, it's numbers - that was the reason I wanted to kill the Batman before he killed Joker...because Toad was essentially confirmed town and that's going to be a serious advantage in the days to come. And if we found a lurking scum in hiro protagonist, then I'll absolutely lynch him with zero resistance. We've already seen that scum are willing to bus their teammates, I'd be more suspicious if there WERE resistance.
+ Show Spoiler +
You realize that you're making the argument that no one is resisting hiro's lynch....by resisting hiro's lynch.


But to be clear, I'm also onboard with a Kurumi lynch. Batman is aiming for scum now. I don't think Kurumi is Batman.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 15 2012 21:07 GMT
#3310
Apparently using logic is illogical here . Oh well . Should've killed someone smart like Adam . I will have a surprise for You anyway.
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
February 15 2012 21:09 GMT
#3311
On February 16 2012 06:07 Kurumi wrote:
Apparently using logic is illogical here . Oh well . Should've killed someone smart like Adam . I will have a surprise for You anyway.


Guys seriously. Please?

##Unvote: hiro protagonist
##Vote: Kurumi
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 15 2012 21:14 GMT
#3312
On February 16 2012 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 06:07 Kurumi wrote:
Apparently using logic is illogical here . Oh well . Should've killed someone smart like Adam . I will have a surprise for You anyway.


Guys seriously. Please?

##Unvote: hiro protagonist
##Vote: Kurumi

It is a nobrainer to get rid of 0kp and get in a dangerous position than try to get rid of 1kp and try to win, am I right ?
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
February 15 2012 21:17 GMT
#3313
On February 16 2012 06:07 Kurumi wrote:
Apparently using logic is illogical here . Oh well . Should've killed someone smart like Adam . I will have a surprise for You anyway.

I don´t like the sound of this.

##vote Kurumi
:3
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 15 2012 21:23 GMT
#3314
Go , vote . I will be happy.
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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
February 15 2012 21:25 GMT
#3315
On February 16 2012 06:23 Kurumi wrote:
Go , vote . I will be happy.

Reversed psycholoy, which means you won't be happy.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 15 2012 21:30 GMT
#3316
On February 16 2012 06:25 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 06:23 Kurumi wrote:
Go , vote . I will be happy.

Reversed psycholoy, which means you won't be happy.

Nah , I got one scum down , helped lynching the other. I think it is quite good record actually . I am taking You down with me by the way.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
February 15 2012 21:30 GMT
#3317
On February 16 2012 06:25 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 06:23 Kurumi wrote:
Go , vote . I will be happy.

Reversed psycholoy, which means you won't be happy.


WIFOM
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
February 15 2012 22:26 GMT
#3318
On February 16 2012 01:20 Tyrran wrote:

visceraeyes : No idea. He is bussing hiro so i guess he is town ?

wat

How is he busing hiro... unless they're on the same team.. and you know this? (making you a part of the same team)


And how do you go from:

On February 16 2012 01:20 Tyrran wrote:

With Radfield lync being that close, it is unlikely that any scum player that would have voted for him didnt switch to chaoser ( who we know was town) Therefore Forumite, tunkeg, quails, palmar, adam4167, katina and kurumi should not be the focus of town today. We have a much higher chance to find scum outside of these people.


to:

On February 16 2012 01:20 Tyrran wrote:

Also Kurumi being CW makes sense. As stated before, killing him would reduce anti town KP, so i'm all up for that.

Kurumi, Hiro, and Evantrees are all valid lynch for me.How about lynching Kurumi then shooting Hiro and Evan (Penguin and Batman)?


In the space of a single post?

Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
February 15 2012 22:28 GMT
#3319
On February 16 2012 00:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Adam care to explain why I would stick my neck out to try and save Radfield if I were scum? I was VERY vocal against the Radfield wagon - do you imagine that I would make myself so visible as scum? Because if you do I'm a little offended that you'd consider my play so bad without ever having played with me.


WIFOM, and trying to pull the emotion card wont work.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
February 15 2012 22:30 GMT
#3320
On February 16 2012 06:07 Kurumi wrote:
Apparently using logic is illogical here . Oh well . Should've killed someone smart like Adam . I will have a surprise for You anyway.


Kurumi, who did you shoot last night? Was it layabout?

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