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On February 23 2012 18:54 Tunkeg wrote: LOL @ scum being allowed to discuss the riddlergame in their QT. Pretty much make The Riddler game the most antitown bluerole in the game... This doesn´t sound right. The riddler game is a solo situation. I hope they didn´t reveal the phone booth QT to eachother too. | ||
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On February 23 2012 18:57 Jayjay54 wrote: yes I agree. we only solved one riddle, though...town and scum (JB) both lost one person to it, so it was ok. But the role itself was really antitown... Did you share the answer to the revealed riddle between yourselves? | ||
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I call cheating! | ||
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On February 23 2012 19:01 Jayjay54 wrote: the riddler role states no discussion in thread or phonebooth. It doesn't mention scum talking about it.... also, bugs (I think) asked BC and yes he was allowed to share the phone booth. We weren't allowed to post though. There was really nothing to take away from the phone qt... e: and again, only one person got out of it...so it was not really that much of a deal... It doesn´t matter if you didn´t gain that much from it, you could solve your riddle faster and get an advantage over town in the riddler game. That´s what makes it cheating, and cheating is not tolerated. | ||
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On February 23 2012 19:18 Jayjay54 wrote: I believe we did: e: also, BC frequently read our topic, he surely would have intervented long before we figured out the Bloody Cobbler riddle. It´s not expressly forbidden, that doesn´t mean it´s allowed. You should have checked with BC. Saying it´s his responsibility to stop you from cheating is low, he´s got enough to deal with in this game. | ||
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On February 23 2012 19:26 Jayjay54 wrote: Like I said, I believe Rad did. Moreover, after we started discussing a bit BC posted this in the QT: So I am really sure, that this was, in fact allowed. as you see, he even encouraged talking about it... Really? When wondering about the Riddler game, you should talk to eachother to get answers, but Town should shut up about it and figure it out themselves? You don´t find that odd? | ||
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On February 23 2012 19:30 Jayjay54 wrote: yes. I do find it odd. Like I already posted, designed like this, the Riddler is really anti-town. But if the host of the game encourages you to discuss, wouldn't you? Or do you believe that this wasn't BC??? I´d ask again for clarification. The answer I read sounds like you should tell eachother about the rules that BC have told you each through PMs, so that he doesn´t have to tell you all individually, not that you are free to help eachother with the riddles themselves. | ||
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On February 23 2012 19:44 Jayjay54 wrote: again, I believe Rad did that. Plus, at the point where BC posted that we already made some Riddle comments, he would have stopped us. Seriously. Also, BC answered possible answers with hints. You could ask questions about the riddle and he gave information. That's what he meant. He literally inspired us to all send questions and answers in and compare what we get back...combine that with the riddler message not mentioning scum QT, I see no reason to assume that this is forbidden. Finally, only one person got out of the game. JB actually had the answer to his third riddle immediately and failed to send it in, because he was too tired which evens it out even more. No game breaking done. Both lost one person, that's better than your other vigs  So far I have "Radfield probably took care of it", "BH didn´t stop us" and "but we screwed up the advantage we got from cheating so it´s okay". ##vote Jayjay54 | ||
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On February 23 2012 20:04 Jayjay54 wrote: alright, last comment from me on that issue. a) It nowhere states that this is forbidden, you just assume that it is, because of "the spirit of the riddler game". Maybe the vig was designed to not be good, because you already had a fuckton of KPs (lynch+2x compVigs (Joker, Penguin) + normal Vig (sasz)+ solomon's passive)...not to mention the thirds. Did you ever happen to think that the last vig was not town favoured? b) BC did not only let us continue, but actually encouraged us to discuss and share what our inquiries got us. After seeing we started discussing. c) Rad said, he'd check, so I believe he did, why wouldn't I? You just call us cheaters, because you think the role should be different. Well, it wasn't... I hate being called a cheater. You say I´m making assumptions, but it´s you who are making assumptions. You assumed Radfield checked and got an OK, you assume that you were allowed due to the specific wording in the announcement, and you assume that BC is checking your every post in the scumQT, ready to jump forward if you do something weird. You´d only need to make sure once, check with Radfield again, send your own PM to BC, and I would have no real problem with this, only with the setup and the riddler power. | ||
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On February 23 2012 20:18 Jayjay54 wrote: this is what BC posted: He says we should talk about the game with other players in the game. Everyone received the same Riddler PM, so it is not at all about rules, but about inquiries and questions. If we aren't allowed to talk about the riddle at all, why would he write this? BC actively encourages us to discuss the riddles. "The more question asked the more information they receive". How is this not a confirmation that we are allowed? No, BC asked you to talk to eachother about what answers he had given so that you could "figure out how the game works", basically figure out how the power works, that´s not the same as helping eachother solve the riddle. | ||
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On February 23 2012 22:23 risk.nuke wrote: Yeah, I was about 80% certain you were Two-Face, but I was worried about rg because of what a mess he had made earlier with the three-face fiasco. I didn´t want to claim, I was content being an invisible vigilante that catwoman couldn´t find, but I also wanted to confirm you. Your check on qualis and me made you a very likely town in my eyes, scum wouldn´t risk qualis or me counterclaiming, but I couldn´t be sure, and I really wanted to shut rg up, I was not going to accept a blue getting lynched by him, so both of us claiming was the only alternative I could think of. I struggled with choosing between detective and vigilante since I wanted to be a vigilante but my abillity was inaccurate and in the end I decided to go with was just the safer choice. My actions were. Night 1 (Heads) Kitaman27 (Tails) Jayjay54 Kitaman returned as the riddler. Night 2 (Heads) Forumite (Tails) -_-qualis -_-qualis showed as an Arkham Inmate Night 3 (Heads) Forumite (Tails) Jayjay Forumite investigated as the penguin. Night 4 (Heads) JayJay (Tails) Adam I got shot and died. At day 4 I thought long about if I should claim, I didn't consider myself in any danger of dying to lynches or scum but Kurumi had gotten me really worried that he knew who I was. In addition both Forumite and Qualis were both looking decently scummy and I was also worried they could be killed tonight by town. When I claimed I thought I would be a confirmed blue since it was absolutely impossible that the real two-face wouldn't counter claim me if I had been lying. Because of that I felt pretty confident that Forumite and rg would go along with what I said. I knew rgschwors had claimed freeze and I considered him very unlikely scum. I wasn't sure if Tunkeg really protected he penguin but I was leaning towards it. I claimed I checked qualis but decided to swap Forumites role confirming him as blue to the town but not revealing he was the penguin which I really didn't want to out to catwoman. I thought about if I should claim he was Bane or Freeze and decided with Freeze because I found it unlikely town would believe and accept that all the 4 Veterans were in the game. This in itself was a problem because schwors was freeze. Schwors might just not go along with this so I tried to directly tell him to claim Ivy which made sense because Ivy was likely to be in the game due to her special condition with Catwoman. It also would had made sense for a medic to claim veteran which made schwors beeing Ivy more believable. It would also mean that scum would shoot him tonight. I also tried to bogus claim that Freeze was my bodyguard. It didn't make sense flavor-wise which alot of players quickly commented on but in another way it made sense because all the other townies wanted by third party had protectors. In the end the worst possibly thing happend. Schwors got a huge erection from knowing what I said wasn't true and in his zeal believing he had caught scum his penis flew up and hit him hard in the head. I'm really curious to what you were thinking schwors. Because you went up against a person who you should have considered confirmed town and started trashing everything he said. From Forumites actions, first lurking while I was dealing with schwors and then beeing very hesitant later with how to proceed I think Forumite belived I was two-face and realised what I was doing. Overall I think you should have just named me blue or town instead of lying about me being Mr Freeze. In this game fakeclaims tend to lead to real claims, and then death. OpZ is the only one I can think of who fakeclaimed well, and only because he didn´t have anything to lose. On February 23 2012 22:26 Jayjay54 wrote: the shot claim was a little too much, I agree. The timing was fine though, very first post he made day 2, people were voting all over the place...nothing scummy timingwise here imo.... BM saving rg and saying he saved lay is still beyond comprehension to me. Same thing with kurumi. Why appear as scum? rg's play in general was beyond comprehension to me. It would have made more sense if BM claimed the protection of him, and if he had breadcrumbed earlier, but in the lategame I was openly considering shooting veterans to confirm them, and he was silent about there being a counter-kill tied to shooting him. Scum wouldn´t waste 2 shots to kill a suspicious veteran at that stage of the game, so the only thing that could have happened is me dying because he didn´t speak up. | ||
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On February 24 2012 00:11 rgTheSchworz wrote: gg, I did play horrible after Toad´s CC. I should´nt have lied or I should have lied much more. My reads have been bad, except for JayJay and JB, who btw, should have been lynched D3 instead of Kurumi. D3 lynch decided the game, I had no credibility whatsoever in the endgame. Should have pushed that much more for JB D3, if he had gotten lynched, we would have won. Your Two-Face claim at the end of the Three-Face fiasco kind of worked, at least I thought you were the right one. You shouldn´t have claimed a guilty check on DocH though, it got both of you in trouble, and more or less forced him to claim afterwards. One mistake was wanting to get shot too much. Blues don´t look the same as Veterans, blues are generally more worried about calling attention to themselves, but veterans are more confident, knowing that they are fulfilling their agenda if scum think they are town and shoot them. Therefore when you say that you could claim if needed, without there being any pressure on you, it doesn´t look genuine. | ||
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