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Just as a pre-emptive meta note, I'm deliberately going to work on not spamming this game. I'm still going to be highly active, but having 30 pages of filter in a 150 page game with 18 players is not gonna happen this time around. I consider this important to improving my game. So if someone's like "Blazinghand isn't spamming, he must be scum" I want you to bear in mind that I'm not spamming either way this game. *everyone breathes a sigh of relief* | ||
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 ), so if I want to improve as a player that's a big priority for me. | ||
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On January 24 2012 04:07 sandroba wrote: Hey BH stop spamming about how you won't be spamming =P i would respond to this but that would be spamming-- OH NO WAIT, WHAT HAVE I DONE? | ||
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On January 26 2012 12:46 Navillus wrote: I agree with Radfield though I wish you hadn't mentioned the possibility of the inception agent seeing their messages, I agree that they probably would realize that but now they know for sure, and usually I say assume mafia is playing optimally but this is different because any noob scums aren't in communication to vet scums and so might have slipped up. Obviously we can't not talk about what mafia is likely to do at all though so basically I'm saying just be very careful with what you post about what we might have/do and they might have/do, and people who post a lot about that are very suspicious as that would be an easy way to transfer info. What are you kidding me? This game is somewhat similar to Resistance I insofar as that the mafia have limited/no way of communicating with each other, and as town we have to take great care when discussing what the mafia may do lest we accidentally inform them of some sort of strat they haven't though of. Obviously there's a possibility of inception agent seeing their messages. If some scum player is somehow so unimaginably bad that he didn't realize this, I'd be honestly shocked and appalled at his inordinately poor observation skills. | ||
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On January 26 2012 13:15 redFF wrote: I see no voting thread so I assume we vote in here ##Vote Radfield I don't like first post walls that take up lots of space while managing to say very little. On January 26 2012 13:22 redFF wrote: Pointless post. This is some serious town posting yo. So stop talking about it then. So far you have one post and it's talking about the one thing you're telling us not to talk about. This post just looks so fake with the whole "don't tell them about something that's in the op come on man we don't want to help out the scum look at me im really town blahblahblah" In fact ##Vote Navillus not scum is 7 letters and a space town is 4 letters therefore i will just be saying town. jackal is town ._. ._______. ._______________________________. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306315 | ||
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On January 26 2012 13:23 bumatlarge wrote: I think redff is not being conducive to a pro-town atmosphere. At best he smell's like a cell agent  ##Vote redFF guys there is a voting thread in case my hilarious smileys or the OP hasn't made clear http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306315 | ||
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On January 26 2012 13:27 redFF wrote: Nobody cares you made your point. What do you think of radfield's "plan"? I think his plan is either scummy, very scummy, definitely scum, or not scum, but I won't mention how town it is or isn't. Seriously though I see no reason why a town player would distinguish "how town" players are. If you want to say "this guy is scummy / scum / not scum" go ahead and say it. If you want to say "I think this guy is more town than that guy", you're helping scum. Why are you helping scum? Well, if you're right, you're painting a target on a guy's head and helping the mafia coordinate their kills. Think about it this way. Imagine you're a scum player at the end of D1, and you're trying to figure out who you want to vote to shoot. Your chief goal is to not shoot other scum. So you're gonna start looking for "ok who is definitely town, who do my fellow scummates think is town?" You can't talk with your scummates, so you look for possible crumbs / indicators from your allies as to who is the townest town who's not scum, and you shoot him. A secondary goal for town, in addition to hunting scum, is preventing them from coordinating their kills and hopefully getting them to trip over each other. Radfield understands this, as should Jackal, who played in Resistance, another game without a mafia QT. I agree with these tenets of Rad's plan for the reasons I have outlined here. | ||
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On January 26 2012 14:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What's the difference between calling someone town or not scum? Why call someone either, unless there's a compelling reason to do so? I don't get it. I can see you don't want scum to know that someone's considered town by everyone, but why bother even calling people town or not scum in the first place? In my opinion, don't call people town/not scum, unless they're getting lynched or something. There's no point. Instead, just call people you think are scum, scum, and who cares about the others? Also, BH, even though there's a voting thread, we should still write our votes here. It makes things transparent, and let's us know in the context of the thread when someone is voting. yes you're right if i vote i should do that. my bad oh no wait I already did vote and posted it in the thread how about that | ||
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On January 26 2012 14:10 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Then what was the point of this? + Show Spoiler + On January 26 2012 13:24 Blazinghand wrote: ._. ._______. ._______________________________. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306315 On January 26 2012 13:25 Blazinghand wrote: guys there is a voting thread in case my hilarious smileys or the OP hasn't made clear http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306315 It looked like you were telling them not to vote here. Maybe I misunderstood. They weren't posting in the voting thread. They didn't know it existed. I was informing them of the existence of a voting thread where they could post their votes and be able to you know actually vote | ||
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On January 27 2012 00:00 Cwave wrote: Did you really just post this.... Like seriously?!?!?! ##VOTE: Radfield On January 27 2012 00:05 Cwave wrote: You can't just say " people shouldnt make lists like these" and then provide scum with one for free -.-. BAD! Are you kidding me? Did you read his list? Those aren't actual people names, dude. | ||
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Oh no wait they can totes do that np | ||
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On January 27 2012 01:19 Cwave wrote: Make a point instead of posting useless crap like this and don't spam one-liners and get yourself in trouble again like the previous games you played. What on earth did i do wrong for finding that list and the actions of Radfield scummy as fuck? I have never been in trouble for spamming. I am notorious however for enormous multi day tunnels on scum players. The problem isn't finding Radfield scummy. The problem is that your reasons for soing so are bad and unsupported. You are creating an environment in which it is more difficult to hunt scum. Your criticisms of him are unsupported which is not like you, or honestly like any town player. | ||
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On January 27 2012 01:25 Cwave wrote: Name calling AND playing bad start day1. Nice redFF, way to be usefull! How about you actually post something of content. Do you think my opinion on the list being used as a possible rank system for mafia is bad/wrong/whatever? If so, why then? Ive already taken apart your critique of his list. Address that. | ||
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I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and call him out for being scum. The fact that he even now has not appripriately addressed my takedown of his critique does lend some credence to the moron theory but he's probably just scum trying to dodge. | ||
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On January 27 2012 02:13 Radfield wrote: Yeah I can keep track if you like :D You have a tendency to coast as scum. This is something you surely agree with. I'd like to see you not coast. Agreed. Blazinghand what other games have you played with Cwave? Purgatory Mafia. He didn't play particularly well there but I wouldn't characterize his actions as moronical either. On January 27 2012 02:12 Cwave wrote: Was done with work and biking home. Don't mistake not instant replying with dodging please! My critique is that Radfield gave a tool for scum to communicate. One of the things our town has on scum is that they don't know who is scum and who is town. For them, there is a chance that they kill of one of their own. By giving them such a ranking list, i feel that it makes it a whole lot easier to coordinate a murder for them. Your takedown is "your ideas are not supported" aka "the list Radfield made isn't scummy"? I feel i'm right on this. "dodge" for me isn't "not instant reply" it's "ignoring blazinghand's takedown" On January 27 2012 01:01 Blazinghand wrote: Oh yes good point there's no way they could just say blazing townish cwave town penis without that code Oh no wait they can totes do that np | ||
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##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh | ||
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Except instead we're gonna hang him | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/XHxrn.png) Mass Lurkers | ||
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On January 28 2012 06:21 Navillus wrote: Also Blazinghand, Hesmyrr, and GGQ need to move their votes to people that actually are in the running for a lynch - and by that I mean bum- or you're just letting scum choose where the lynch goes. Ah yes you're right scum totes know who each other are and will deflect the lynch from each other??? Still, you make a good point. I could be a tiebreaker vote here, and it seems that the town is somewhat ok with letting Rear Admiral McLurk Zelurk continue lurking, so I'll examine the wagons and pick a horse. | ||
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On January 28 2012 08:04 Navillus wrote: WTF Plurality lynch means that you're basically choosing to not vote, that will just let each scum vote for someone they're sure isn't scum and easily keep us from actually having a chance of hitting scum, in what world could this possibly help town? I wasn't aware scum knew who each other were. Of the three wagons currently rolling the only one with any credence to it is the Radfield wagon because he has pointed some pretty BSey stuff that the scum could use (as well as a "public key" type thing, but again i'm unsure as to how that would help them compress information), and that one's in the lead already. That being said, I just don't get how a scum player's gonna know Radfield's scum then jump onto another wagon with large enough numbers to change things. | ||
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Radfield (4): Meapak_Ziphh, Cwave, Jackal58, Bumatlarge Navillus (1): RedFF Bumatlarge (4): Radfield, Lanaia, Navillus, GGQ Lanaia (3): Hesmyrr, Zephridd, Vaderseven Meapak_Ziphh (1): Blazinghand Currently Radfield is going to win since he hit 4 first. I could move my vote over to him to make it so that it'll take 2 votes on Bum to put him in the lead (since whoever hits a number first is the tiebreaker), but it'll still be Radfield getting lynched. | ||
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A) Radfield is scum B) Bum is town C) some scum is gonna figure this out gonna swing the vote over to Bum But you don't think that, since your vote is on Bum. So.... yeah. what you flippin out about broseph? | ||
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On January 28 2012 06:17 Navillus wrote: Yaaaaaaaaaaay happy make up time, but now on a more serious note, we need to lynch bumatlarge, on a scale from 1 to scum he is king bum lord of the scumpeople. And that is because of this post. Now first remember that scum in this game are playing in the dark like us, so to identify scum they need to go on the same reads that we have. With that in mind, we had just decided that it lurking day1 is very scummy this game and pointed our lurker-lynch at Lanaia, no sooner had we done that than bum decided to jump to her aid. Now the fact is that he literally cannot know any more about her than we do at this point, he's also not stupid, this means that he should have the same conclusion that everyone else has come to, lurkers are scummy, Lanaia was lurking. He then chose to defend him/her, (lanaia = m/f?) this only makes sense if he himself is scum and realized that one of his own was likely about to get lynched, he even goes so far as to be ok with lynching ANY of the other people brought up for lynches and pushes for a rad lynch while rad is one of my town reads. Agreeing to anyone else just stinks of him trying to avoid the Lanaia lynch, which is just weird, Lanaia had been lurking there's no way he could've even had a strong town read for him/her. Bum is scum QED + Show Spoiler + and that rhymed - vote for him Oh what this is your entire case on him huh let's break it down On January 28 2012 04:17 bumatlarge wrote: Lanaia is always wishy washy. Every game regardless of alignment. Nice try to everyone stuffing their vote on her, but she should not be the lynch. I'd definitely lynch radfield over her. I don't have a proper read on navillus or cwave, but I have no problem lynching them. So that's the culprit sentence. But again is this a real culprit? I don't think so. He is trying to say Lanaia is town but he doesn't want to come out and say it. Why? On January 27 2012 07:49 bumatlarge wrote: Well maybe it is a hidden breadcrumb for me not to get shot, and I'm not scum? Your move kaiba. And your suggestions would be cool if you didn't fuck them up with the "not scum" BS. Yes, we all get town reads, but the point here is to not post them in the thread. I am suspicious of you not immediately using that. I feel like you are doing what you said people were doing with cwave, except with me. I don't plan on being lynched Oh right look at that. So why is he making a soft defense of Lanaia? Becuase Bum doesn't want to do hard defenses of anyone. He's clearly a moron, but that doesn't make him scum. The fact that he's interested in lynching cwave or navillus without a proper read is troubleing... but not nearly as troubling as Radfield's various shit that he's done, including providing a cipher to the scumteam. Even if he's town that cipher could be used in theory, which is a serious issue. I'd consider Radfield to be scummy and I don't understand why people are wagoning Bum. | ||
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On January 28 2012 08:37 Hesmyrr wrote: ##Vote bumatlarge to counteract Mr. Wiggles vote. I just don't think maf will be hugging the spotlight too much on d1. I will definitely be happy with MZ switch however. What the dicks is this? That doesn't counteract shit, whoever hits 5 votes first is still the guy who's lynched | ||
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Radfield (5): Meapak_Ziphh, Cwave, Jackal58, Bumatlarge, Mr. Wiggles Navillus (1): RedFF Bumatlarge (5): Radfield, Lanaia, Navillus, GGQ, Hesmyrr Lanaia (2): Zephridd, Vaderseven Meapak_Ziphh (1): Blazinghand OK guys i got a solution for you. Just like 4 of you hop off of bum and radfield and come help me lynch an actual scum player. Jackal, Wiggles, Lanaia, Navillus Hesmyrr, we have the chance to actually lynch scum. come over here. | ||
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On January 28 2012 08:41 Navillus wrote: 1. I never opposed the MZ lynch, I will 100% support it. Tomorrow. But today there was no real push for it, and what there was was too late to change anything, right now, 20 minutes to lynch is the first time you've really told other people to vote for him. I am not buying at all that you're keeping you're vote there because you actually think there's any chance in the world that he gets lynched today. wtf dude get over here and vote him. | ||
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Navillus: Yeah man I don't vote him because he wasn't being voted for dude if everyone thought like you nobody would ever get lynched | ||
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On January 28 2012 08:41 Navillus wrote: 1. I never opposed the MZ lynch, I will 100% support it. Tomorrow. But today there was no real push for it, and what there was was too late to change anything, right now, 20 minutes to lynch is the first time you've really told other people to vote for him. I am not buying at all that you're keeping you're vote there because you actually think there's any chance in the world that he gets lynched today. On January 28 2012 08:37 Hesmyrr wrote: ##Vote bumatlarge to counteract Mr. Wiggles vote. I just don't think maf will be hugging the spotlight too much on d1. I will definitely be happy with MZ switch however. WE'VE GOT TWO PEOPLE SO FAR. We need two more | ||
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On January 28 2012 08:44 Navillus wrote: As you said, it will end up a tie with radfield getting the votes first, though if we can get 5 people who will agree to vote MZ BEFORE anyone votes with more than 5 minutes left I say we all switch, otherwise you should switch to bum. I'm not switching to bum, bum is town and you're a knave or a fool for voting him. If by 3:55 we can't get 4 people to jump off various wagons for MZ, then I'll vote Radfield, since he at least has a chance of being scum. On January 28 2012 08:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Does that mean you don't think Radfield will flip scum? Also, why MZ over someone else who hasn't posted all of day 1? MZ is clearly hustling us. I think Radfield may flip scum, but I'm substantially surer of MZ. In 9 minutes i'm voting for Radfield if I can't get 4 people to join this wagon. | ||
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On January 28 2012 08:46 Lanaia wrote: All you have on Meapak is that he's been lurking. That says shit all for his alignment. I am not moving my vote onto meapak, at least not today. We have about 15min to deadline. It's highly unlikely to get the lynch you want at this point in time. You're tunneling. Why didn't you do this earlier in the day? Your logic doesn't feel completely sound to me. Holy hell you are tunneling so badly. You should have been pushing him all day. I don't like how you're acting and it actually really frightens me. How. The. Fuck.... How is MZ hustling? Oh yes you're right i should have pushed my massive case on MZ with his 2 posts of filter. OH NO WAIT HE HAS ONLY 2 POSTS OF FILTER. You know I sort of thought my original one-paragraph case was self-evident. I kinda figured other people would be like "hey you know what this guy is lurking pretty hard and trying to lead us by the nose" but it turns out all we are are sheeple in here and we are getting hustled what did you want some freaking phd thesis on the two posts MZ has written? God you're terrible | ||
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On January 28 2012 08:48 Radfield wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 28 2012 08:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote: This looked like an excuse to me. I guess it depends on your definition about what "extremely early on" means, but it seemed weird to me, like if you lynch town on Day 1 you can go back and say that you're bad early on. Contradiction 1: You say not to make plans for scum or discuss their strategy, then you write: Which is basically talking about scum strategy. Also, it seems off, because couldn't you use that for scum hunting? The first part, has absolutely no merit for town, and just warns the mafia to be careful what they write. As for the second part, you say that calling players town is a sign of scum pointing out a target. However, I don't see why you didn't use this idea to your advantage. You obviously think all or most scum will come to the same conclusion (or otherwise there would be no point in mentioning it), so why not wait until the end of day 1, and see who actually does it, to find scum? Normally people shouldn't have super strong town reads, especially with people lurking like they've been, so someone saying that x is their strongest town read and a sure green would basically set off warning bells and give you a scum candidate. The sacrifice of one player would be worth potentially catching multiple scum, and you can threaten that any possible medic protect the 'town' player. Instead, you send town off on a silly tangent. Contradiction 2: This looks weird to me, because you write yourself that your plan could leave town low on leaders, with no reasoning that can be seen besides they aren't called town. Then, when Vader says the same thing, you attack him very strongly for it. This looks like a contradiction. The mistake was posting a public key for mafia communication, as well as the odd inconsistencies I pointed out above. Added together, you seem inconsistent to me, and that makes me believe you're either scum, or playing oddly/making weird mistakes, such that it's making me think you look like scum. Also, your first case on bum was two possible breadcrumbs and a couple of odd sentences, which didn't seem that strong to me. It's too late to lynch GGQ, right? He looks very scummy to me. Thanks for writing that out. I have a rebuttal for pretty much all of that, but don't have time to write it out right now, as I'm off for the night. Just don't lynch me ok? I don't understand why any sensible town player who has even an inkling of my meta would try to get me lynched Day 1. Day 2, sure. Day 3, most definitely.... but DAY 1!? Show some common sense. Just don't lynch me. Radfield's brilliant 10-minute-before-deadline defense: "Just don't lynch me" :| if I vote you it will not be for your meta, it will be for your public key and your weird play. I don't know you well enough to know your meta but i know weirdness when I see it. I'm not sure it makes you scum but I'd rather lynch you than bum (that rhymes!) | ||
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On January 28 2012 08:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Cwave for example, completely disappeared after the Radfield incident. I'm sure there's others. I'm wondering what the difference is between MZ and them. Cwave's got like 8-9x as many posts as MZ. He's a lurker but at least there's something there to look at. MZ is like a lurker drop burrowed in your mineral line before you've built an academy because you're still D-- | ||
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On January 28 2012 08:50 Mr. Wiggles wrote: What would you suggest instead, if I don't like the Bum lynch too much? I actually don't like that a majority of people have all disappeared before the lynch. How about MZ? With Radfield and yourself together we can hit 5 votes, one of which is coming off of the Radfield wagon. we don't have much time left for this switch. | ||
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On January 28 2012 08:53 Lanaia wrote: 1. You don't need to be rude. 2. All you have is "oh, he hasn't been active and therefore is scum" which is not something that logically follows. If it applies to him, it has to reply to everyone. 3. You're being unnecessarily aggressive. Calm down. Why didn't you try to push this earlier then? How do you know he's trying to lead us anywhere? Real life stuff can pop up. Just saying the same thing over and over and over isn't going to get people to listen to you. 1) ?? 2) yes it does, and it applies to everyone, and he is the most egregious example 3) I wasn't here in the thread earlier, and i come back and everyone's wagoned onto some BS lynches. We only have 5 minutes left so a voteswitch isnt' happening. I'd like to say more about MZ but it turns out... hey! he's like got no content to analyze. Why are you defending him so much mr scumbuddy Well, I suppose I might as well lock in the lesser of two evils. ##Vote: Radfield | ||
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On January 28 2012 08:55 Hesmyrr wrote: Number of people here will be enough to push anyone present, including Lanaia just saying. Also Blazinghand, I don't think I saw you specifically making a post why you think Radfield is scummy? In this game where mafia can team-kill each other scum will try hard not to look like town leader, which is exactly what he has been doing. The case on Bum is nonexistent and meaningless. He handwaved a bit in a fashion consistent with his previous posting. The case on Radfield is based on some suspicious posting he made, and is also pretty shitty, but not nearly as shitty as the Bum case. I'm alarmed that people aren't lynching MZ. Alarmed. | ||
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On January 28 2012 08:59 Lanaia wrote: Scum doesn't know who other scum is. You just called me scum. Why aren't you voting me? If you keep trying to get people to go on your wagon, and if they do, they'll still be sheeple as you so politely call them. Refallen, you have literally one minute. You know what scum does day 1? They don't know who other scum is so they try to be unhelpful and push crappy lynches and crappy arguments (see: your entire idea on the bum lynch and massive attempts to derail MZ switch) or the lurk (MZ). | ||
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On January 28 2012 09:03 Blazinghand wrote: You know what scum does day 1? They don't know who other scum is so they try to be unhelpful and push crappy lynches and crappy arguments (see: your entire idea on the bum lynch and massive attempts to derail MZ switch) or the lurk (MZ). Also given that I was forced to choose between Rad and Bum, I don't see how voting you comes into the equation. Even tomorrow MZ will be a better lynch than you, and you "100% want to lynch MZ" so hopefully we can get it done. | ||
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On January 28 2012 09:06 Refallen wrote: A Sexy Vote Count! Radfield (3): Meapak_Ziphh, Cwave, Jackal58 Navillus (2): RedFF, Zephridd RedFF (2) Bumatlarge, Navillus Cwave (1): GGQ Lanaia (1): Hesmyrr Meapak_Ziphh (1): BlazingHand I went with the votecount on page 16 after I checked and realised I had like, a min left, my bad. Found another scum | ||
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On January 28 2012 09:11 Refallen wrote: Welp, I'm gonna be hard pressed trying to get myself out of this one. You weren't the hammer. The part you're gonna have trouble getting out of is the part where you spend all of d1 lurking then show up after the lynch deadline to sheep a wagon that's already rolling across the finish line, not the part where that wagon is the inception agent. | ||
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Ah yes you're right that's what I get for pushing radfield all d1 | ||
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On January 28 2012 09:26 Lanaia wrote: I don't think we should speculate about the amount of PRs we have. :| | ||
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Oddly, we are not living in that world. Any thoughts on this, Refallen? | ||
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On January 28 2012 14:04 Navillus wrote: According to google definitions you are either going to 1. Declare the issue free from blame, guilt, or responsibility. or 2. Give the issue absolution for a sin. Actually he's just gonna solve this problem using his abs | ||
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On January 29 2012 07:17 redFF wrote: CALLS CASE ON RAD SHITTY SAYS HE WANTS MEAPAK LYNCHED VOTES RAD DING DING DING Ah yes you're right I should have voted Bum instead? Or wasted my one vote on the nonexistent Meapak lynch? dude you're right that's a much more useful thing I could have done | ||
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On January 29 2012 07:46 Blazinghand wrote: Ah yes you're right I should have voted Bum instead? Or wasted my one vote on the nonexistent Meapak lynch? dude you're right that's a much more useful thing I could have done Someone give this man a medal | ||
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On January 29 2012 16:01 redFF wrote: SOMEONE VOTE ME PLEASE I just need one person to, but it is vital. On January 29 2012 16:32 Refallen wrote: Well, ##Vote redFF Found 2 scum | ||
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He looks like scum to me. | ||
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I definitely have never said anything about Bum, nor posted a case that he was town, justifying my Rad lynch. Lastly, Refallen is a paragon of town play and voting him is clearly a scum move. Nothing you just said was deceptive in any way. | ||
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On January 30 2012 20:04 Refallen wrote: Nope, I'm pretty sure it was a dumb post. BH, what do you think about the bumatlarge wagon? Your chief case against bumatlarge is this post: On January 28 2012 21:38 Refallen wrote: I'm not going to lie, I feel really retarded right now. Real life has been a continual bitch and things keep popping up, and I feel like I have acted very irresponsibly by joining this game. So, to try and salve my guilty conscious a bit, here's a case on bumatlarge. Ok, so right off the bat, he buddies Meapak in trying to lynch Radfield, by claiming that he's breadcrumbing... but he breadcrumbs here too, Then when radfield calls him out on it, What is this? He actually claims that he is breadcrumbing, and the reason for that is so that he "dosen't get shot"? Does this not scream I AM SLEEPER AGENT DON'T SHOOT ME to you? It does for me. Then he pushes Radfield over and over again over that little 'not scum' part of the plan, and Radfield is lynched and turned blue. Or maybe it's because you among many was tunneling him over a case which never really grew from the first point of Radfield establishing a "not scum" term to describe townies. Really regret missing out on the timetable for the game and having to vote in less than a min when I woke up and checked the thread, and so just throwing my vote on Radfield not having read like 10 pages of the thread. That was just terrible by me. I feel like this is a relatively think case. I do think that this is better-stated than the case on bum was during D1, and I am no longer convinced of his innocence. that being said, that's the only post of substance you've made. Previously was just you derping up D1 and after that is you talking to your scumbuddy redFFin code, followed by some poorly phrased "pressure" on redFF and some random questions for me and Lanaia. I challenge anyone, anyone at all, to look at Refallen's post and tell me that this is a guy trying to help out the town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303792&user=100667&user=100667 he's done nothing helpful. he's communicated with his scumbuddy redFF. he's asked some random questions. He's made an acceptable case against Bum, but hasn't pushed it. So uh what's he doing? this, ladies and gentlemen, is a skilled lurker. Refallen is gradually building up his post count and his interactions without actually helping the town. Look how carefully crafted his posts are to be unhelpful while seeming useful. On January 29 2012 11:29 Refallen wrote: But what made you think BH was scum at the first place and why has things changed, Lanaia? And does no one else want to lynch bum? You call that pushing a case? you call that pressure? No, I think it's obvious. Refallen is scum. Just LOOK AT HIS FILTER. SEE THE TRUTH FOR YOURSELVES. How am I like the only guy who realizes this. this should be an easy one guys | ||
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Cwave (4): Bum, Zeph, Hes GGQ Bum(5): Lanaia, Navi, redFF, Refallen, Scamp Refallen (2): Jack, BH GGQ (1): V7 Currently Bum is in the lead. But, given Refallen's actiions all games I would like everyone to come and lynch Refallen. check my case, it's solid as hell. | ||
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On February 01 2012 07:49 Refallen wrote: Well fuck, I meant to type " I don't think you or BH are scum . What you get from posing on an iPhone. Don't worry your play otherwise this game has been exemplary-- one minor error in a history of solid play can be overlooked. | ||
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On January 31 2012 02:51 Blazinghand wrote: Your chief case against bumatlarge is this post: I feel like this is a relatively think case. I do think that this is better-stated than the case on bum was during D1, and I am no longer convinced of his innocence. that being said, that's the only post of substance you've made. Previously was just you derping up D1 and after that is you talking to your scumbuddy redFFin code, followed by some poorly phrased "pressure" on redFF and some random questions for me and Lanaia. I challenge anyone, anyone at all, to look at Refallen's post and tell me that this is a guy trying to help out the town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303792&user=100667&user=100667 he's done nothing helpful. he's communicated with his scumbuddy redFF. he's asked some random questions. He's made an acceptable case against Bum, but hasn't pushed it. So uh what's he doing? this, ladies and gentlemen, is a skilled lurker. Refallen is gradually building up his post count and his interactions without actually helping the town. Look how carefully crafted his posts are to be unhelpful while seeming useful. You call that pushing a case? you call that pressure? No, I think it's obvious. Refallen is scum. Just LOOK AT HIS FILTER. SEE THE TRUTH FOR YOURSELVES. How am I like the only guy who realizes this. this should be an easy one guys Prob needs some updating but here she is. | ||
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On January 31 2012 13:41 Refallen wrote: Yeah jackal tomorrow. And Lanaia I don't know wtf you're smoking I said I don't think you or BH are scum. On February 01 2012 07:49 Refallen wrote: Well fuck, I meant to type " I don't think you or BH are scum . What you get from posing on an iPhone. ._. So uh yeah this guy is scum can we lynch him already | ||
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Me: why thank you! I'm glad you appreciate this. You guys: Yes, here, we will help lynch him today rather than lynching various blues and townies. Me: That's very thoughtful of you. You guys: Well it's the least we can do given how intelligent, witty, and sexy you are. What would we do without you? You're just so cool. Me: Thanks! | ||
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On February 01 2012 10:48 redFF wrote: you really think we were talking in code? Best case scenario, Refallen's actions there are null read, but he's still a guy who's contributed nothing and basically been actively unhelpful all game. | ||
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On February 01 2012 10:50 redFF wrote: As opposed to your spearheading of the excellent radfield day 1 lynch. Ah yes you're right I basically made the case against radfield, and pushed him all day, and definitely wasn't trying to push someone else or something and had my hand forced to go for him instead of bum. Your characterization of my actions is accurate as usual. | ||
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On February 01 2012 10:55 Blazinghand wrote: Ah yes you're right I basically made the case against radfield, and pushed him all day, and definitely wasn't trying to push someone else or something and had my hand forced to go for him instead of bum. Your characterization of my actions is accurate as usual. Oh no wait, just like the last time you said this, you're spewing poopey lies all over the place like a poopey-mouth. Anyone who takes like 3 seconds to read my filter or the events of day 1 will realize that this is just you protecting your scumbuddy Refallen. | ||
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On February 01 2012 12:18 redFF wrote: i dont care Well his filter is really short. Could you peruse it perhaps and tell me what you think? Or are you just trying not to commit on your scumbuddy | ||
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On February 02 2012 10:05 Navillus wrote: The votes on Hesmyrr, Red, and Scamp need to go away, none of them are getting lynched today and the people that made those votes need to give their opinions on the actual candidates. So you don't think Refallen is scum? Because if your reasoning is "don't vote Refallen because he won't get lynched today" you're making a self-fulfilling prophecy. How about you guys instead give your opinion on actual scum, like Refallen? | ||
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Are you an idiot? I pushed MZ because he was lurking. But he wasn't lurking, he was banned from TL. Therefore, Scamp replaced him. I haven't seriously examined Scamp since then because Refallen is obvious scum and I'm trying to get him lynched. | ||
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On February 02 2012 10:46 Blazinghand wrote: Are you an idiot? I pushed MZ because he was lurking. But he wasn't lurking, he was banned from TL. Therefore, Scamp replaced him. I haven't seriously examined Scamp since then because Refallen is obvious scum and I'm trying to get him lynched. It seems very odd to me that every attack redFF makes on me is blatantly misleading and untrue. Just kidding, it's not odd at all because redFF is scum. | ||
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On February 02 2012 10:50 Blazinghand wrote: He won't flip town. Neither will you. Also, redFF is actually correct that Refallen is not a noob. EBWOP: oh, no, wait, I should have known that it wasn't redFF saying it because it was a correct statement. I revise this to: Jack is correct, Refallen is not a noob. | ||
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On February 02 2012 11:14 redFF wrote: That's a lie. MZ was around and not banned for the entirety of day 1. He only got banned after night started. You're misleading people, once again, and I have proof: On January 29 2012 00:02 iGrok wrote: Requesting a maximum ban for Meapak_Ziphh. In the middle of Sleeper Cell Day 1, he requested a 90 day ban (I have confirmed with Plexa that he requested it and that it was not done to him). I was not alerted that this was happening, and certainly was given no reason. On January 29 2012 01:23 GMarshal wrote: Will shelve discussion till post game, but I don't think a permaban is at all warranted for that. On January 29 2012 05:45 redFF wrote: I do think a many many many many many many game ban is warranted though. Oh what's this, redFF took part in a discussion in which the moderator of this game states openly that Meapak requested his ban in the middle of day1? and redFF accuses me of lying about this? No, you can't say you were ignorant. You were right there, discussing it. You sir are a liar trying to save your scumbuddy refallen. | ||
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On February 02 2012 11:31 redFF wrote: fair enough, guess i missed that. Are you sure? It looks kind of hard to miss to me: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=114622¤tpage=123#2449 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pmTqC.png) | ||
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Day 2) Refallen makes like 2 posts and contributes no analysis Day 3) Refallen is "really super duper busy" ಠ_ಠ So I'm sort of unclear on all these people who think Refallen is town and are trying not to lynch him. What's the deal guys? | ||
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On February 04 2012 02:21 Scamp wrote: By that way that wasn't phrased very nicely. You've posted a few opinions but it's unclear if you have solid reads or if you're just posturing. Oh, heavens! I cannot believe I violated the detailed rules and regulations of victorian etiquette we agreed upon before interacting with each other. We must consult the neutral arbitrator for an appropriate penalty regarding my heinous transgression! In any case, your criticism of me is entirely valid blah blah blah *sarcasm* blah blah oh no wait you're entirely wrong, I pushed refallen heavily, got involved hella in this thread, argued with redFF, etc, whereas you sort of sat around and have contributed nothing whatsoever since replacing MZ, as everyone can see pretty clearly. A town-aligned player in your position right now would be trying to contribute. And yet you are not. | ||
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On February 04 2012 10:34 redFF wrote: I'm actually thinking you botched a fakeclaim here up :/ Explain why you checked who you checked. lanaia actually already claimed detective earlier in this thread, and also claimed that I was not town. | ||
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On January 30 2012 19:48 Blazinghand wrote: ._. this is a really dumb post cwave is a moron, but this was dumb. See Lanaia straight up claimed Detective and was like "Blazinghand is town-affiliated" on day 2. This is why there was no Night 2 nightkill, because mafia didn't know we have a Doctor at the time-- they tried to shoot Lanaia and the Doctor saved her. | ||
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On February 04 2012 06:22 Lanaia wrote: Tomorrow you guys are not lynching CWave or Blazinghand. In any case I kinda thought everyone already knew Lanaia was the detective... | ||
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On February 04 2012 11:20 redFF wrote: Updated scumlist scum hesmyrr/scamp (still deciding must read) zephirdd Jackal GGQ vader BH cwave lanaia town you seem to have everyone listed as scum and nobody listed as town ;_; | ||
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On February 04 2012 11:30 Zephirdd wrote: if you didn't realize from reading it, that's actually a priority list, not a scum list. Top is most likely scum, bottom is most likely town. DISREGARD EVERYTHING i JUST SAID I AM A MORON | ||
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4 town players are confirmed: Jackal, Lanaia, Blazinghand, Cwave 6 players are not confirmed as town: Scamp, GGQ, Hesmyrr, redFF, V7, Zephirdd of the six unconfirmed players, 4 are mafia (probably-- I highly doubt there are 5 or 3). Assuming we have a doctor or something, Lanaia can get off another investigation amongst the unconfirmed players tonight. All we need to do is lynch scum for the rest of the game, and the scum can only kill one confirmed townie a night, so we just need to sort out those 6. Among those 6 unconfirmed players: if you are town-affiliated, you have slightly more information than the 4 confirmed townies, since you also know your own alignment. Analyze and vote wisely. | ||
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On February 06 2012 11:37 Hesmyrr wrote: People were mainly voting Refallen and GGQ then. I went and put out strong FOS for Scamp using association tell, then realized if people start taking Scamp lynch more seriously it might split the vote and increase the chance of GGQ getting killed. Note that this was before GGQ's scum-like hop on Refallen wagon. So when you said "third candidate" you meant. GGQ, who was in 2nd place? And you thought GGQ was innocent and Refallen and Scamp were guilty at the moment you changed your vote. | ||
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On February 07 2012 05:46 Zephirdd wrote: idk, in the event she dies? idk if it would benefit us, I just hate this lack of posting =| So.... if she dies, how is knowing who she would have checked if she hadn't died useful? | ||
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On February 07 2012 06:29 Zephirdd wrote: maybe we create connections. Imagine if she said "I'll totally check GGQ." People will react to the GGQ check, both positively and negatively, then she dies. We won't know what GGQ was, but we get connections from the reactions. Am I wrong? Or we just hope she doesn't die. I don't see how this is made any better by lanaia dying. Whatever discussion is generated between now and dawn would be generated regardless of whether she dies 2 and a half hours from now... | ||
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On February 07 2012 06:51 Zephirdd wrote: Well, for instance a discussion that would be generated regardless doesn't have much impact. We could discuss a lot about players and whatnot, but when we involve the use of a power role like that, people can't just have a wishy-washy instance over that. This could be applied even if Lanaia didn't really check the one she mentions, so not even possible framers would use the opportunity. And I still don't get why you'd suggest what you just said instead of saying "hm, who do you guys think is the best DT check tonight? I think it's X" or "I'd like to discuss who the best DT check is, does anyone want to discuss this with me" | ||
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Investigated by Lanaia: Jackal Blazinghand CWave Uninvestigated: Zephirdd V7 Hesmyrr GGQ redFF Amongst those 5 there are likely 3 mafia. You're statement is "GGQ, Hesmyrr, and Zeph are the three mafia, and V7 and redFF are town". Is this accurate? | ||
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In any case, I guess I'd like to hear from Zeph, Hes, and GGQ about redFF and V7. Zeph, Hesmyy, GGQ: If one of you is town, you really need to put together a case on redFF or V7. We don't have any more mislynches this game, we need to get it right. In any case, I am in agreement, and it is for that reason that I am mildly concerned. It's possible we totally have this locked up, but we must have constant vigilance. | ||
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Zeph is probably scum. That being said, I find GGQ to be scummier than Zeph. In addition to posting unhelpful and short posts, he's basically been straight-up plain-facedly lurking all game long. Although Zeph made some shitty cases and shitty arguments, GGQ hasn't made a case on anyone all game, pushed any lynches or done anything helpful. On top of that, he voted for Hesmyrr without announcing it in the thread or even posting at all, an action whose stupidity is magnificent. If GGQ isn't scum I will literally eat my hat and make a youtube video of it and try to go viral. | ||
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GGQ is for sure scum, so we lynch him first. Is that so complicated? Does nobody agree with me that GGQ is the scummiest? Or do you all think he's the scummiest guy here and at the same time somehow not think we should lynch him first? | ||
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Also However, we couldn't possibly be at 5-5. Why? Because if every scum instavoted for a town player before town had put five votes on a scum, the game would be over. There are two explanations for that to not have happened - We were at 6-4 - Scum didn't know each other and couldn't coordinate their votes , And of course, both. There's a third possibility, which is that town has a KP. | ||
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On February 10 2012 08:57 Zephirdd wrote: GGQ probably, although I really preferred to had redFF first, because I know he is a better player than I am and because I know he probably can create some bullshit to get out of my hands and end up in the 3-player scenario. On February 10 2012 08:44 Zephirdd wrote:= I'll be voting red by the deadline. Please re-read his filter and consider his actions from a scum POV. Peace. You want to lynch redFF? Really? No, that's inconsisent. It's inconsistent to vote redFF if your case on him is "he knows GGQ is scum, therefore he did XYZ" Because, after all, this relies on GGQ being scum. Anyone who thinks what Zeph thinks would lynch GGQ first! GGQ being scum is a precondition for his redFF case. I am more sure now than ever. GGQ + Zeph. I hope I dont' wake up dead. GGQ Zeph are the two scum, this is Zeph's attempt to bus GGQ and get us to mislynch redff | ||
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On February 10 2012 09:15 Zephirdd wrote: Because of this If we can't get three players up on red's ass asap, he will find a way to kill me before. And when he does that he wins the game. What are you talking about? just make good arguments ._. | ||
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On February 10 2012 17:42 Cwave wrote: Mhhh interesting twist. So you claim to be our second detective and you get a null read from Redff. Our town having 2 detectives in this setup seems a bit OP no? 1 confirmed detective (lanaia), 1 confirmed inception agent (rad), 1 confirmed Senator (Jack), 1 unconfirmed detective (V7) That brins us up to 4 blues, but more like 3.5 since the Senator is a weak blue role. Also, the inception agent is a situational role. | ||
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The your and V7's stories fit together to explain what happened with the no-kill and V7's results. This seems reasonable to me. So at this point... I guess we just lynch GGQ and Zeph and call it a day. | ||
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Investigated by Lanaia: Blazinghand returned "town" CWave returned "town Uninvestigated: Zephirdd V7 GGQ redFF So far we have killed two mafia members, Scamp and Hesmyrr. In a balanced setup I'd anticipate two of the Uninvestigated players are mafia. It seems consistent to me that this be the case, so Zeph/GGQ as remaining scum. Our blues In terms of having a stacked town, we are now up to 3 confirmed roles, 2 unconfirmed roles. confirmed: lanaia as DT, Rad as Inception, Jack as Senator unconfirmed: V7 as DT, redFF as Bulletproof This seems pretty stacked, right? 5 blues, 4 scum in a 15 player game with imperfect scumteam communication. However, jack's role isn't that strong in this game, and he mostly stands as a win0condition-modifier: "Mafia wins when they outnumber Town and Town has no killing roles remaining." Jack's job was to make it so that in a 4-4 situation, Mafia wouldn't be able to control the vote before fulfilling their win condition. That brings us down to 4 "real" blues. But we have no clue how strong inception agent is, and Bulletproof is good but redFF isn't a DT or a medic or anything. I'm not sure that it's imbalanced for all the claims to be true AND there to be exactly 4 mafia. | ||
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In the 5 scum situation, cwave or I is a godfather or vader7 is a scum DT. | ||
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On February 11 2012 03:04 Zephirdd wrote: lol why does it matter anyways I want red lynched, I'll leave my vote on him; GGQ is getting lynched today anyways, so it really doesn't matter. I'm sorry man, I find you utterly unconvincing. I'll do my best to see things from your point of view, but really, imagine you're in my shoes and know what I know-- would you really lynch redFF over you? Looking at your respective filters and how you've been playing this game, that is. As you can see, you haven't been super convincing ;_; but at least you have plenty of time to convince me right? | ||
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On February 11 2012 03:33 vaderseven wrote: Zeph you want to vote the claimed BP over the scanned scum? Yeah I don't even know what his deal is. Even with an accelerated schedule though he has plenty of time to make a case before the 2nd lynch so it should be all good. | ||
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On January 29 2012 09:59 vaderseven wrote: FOS at Bum. Redff, what is your case on Blazing I dont get it. Several hours later, you come out with your case on GGQ, but why is the first thing you do after getting your investigative results to FOS a town-aligned player? | ||
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February 07 2012 09:01 -- Day 5 Begins, you find out Hes is scum February 07 2012 12:42 -- you vote/unvote redFF silence February 08 2012 04:24 -- you make your case on Hes What's with that gap man ;_; you had an investigative result... and you wait until after he claims scum? I'm not saying your scum, but like, I basically don't think your claim lends you any real town cred. | ||
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On February 12 2012 09:44 redFF wrote: alright vader check zeph you will die tonight because zeph can't have a scum check on him and if im scum i cant be having you get a town check on zeph. I agree with this. The optimal action is for Vader to check zeph. | ||
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On February 13 2012 02:58 Zephirdd wrote: why would scum leave them both alive? Why on earth would scum opt to kill anyone who was not confirmed by Lanaia's checks? Because V7 is investigating you tonight. If you're scum, you need to kill him, since his investigation will come back "mafia". If redFF is scum, redFF needs to kill him, since his investigation will come back "town". V7 is dead tonight. | ||
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On February 13 2012 03:51 Blazinghand wrote: Because V7 is investigating you tonight. If you're scum, you need to kill him, since his investigation will come back "mafia". If redFF is scum, redFF needs to kill him, since his investigation will come back "town". V7 is dead tonight. Like, alternatively, V7 could have waited one more day, and scum would kill a confirmed town, and he'd actually know the result of his investigation. Which would be better. | ||
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On February 12 2012 22:34 Zephirdd wrote: hmmm what are the chances that a town is a miller in this setup? it's not common for millers to know that they are millers This is zeph scumclaiming | ||
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On February 14 2012 11:24 vaderseven wrote: Honestly the scum team was well... it lurked to the endgame. I actually had no confirmation about Hess or GGQ but I could just tell they were scum. GGQ was pretty clear. That was a really solid bus. | ||
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On February 14 2012 11:32 Zephirdd wrote: OH yeah, question to town. Why the fuck did you lynch radfield LOL Seriously, I pissed myself from laughter from that lynch I couldn't figure rad out, and I was pretty sure of bum being town... so I broke the tie in rad's favor ;_; | ||
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On February 14 2012 11:53 iGrok wrote: That just doesn't work in Sleeper Cell, because scum don't know each other's identities. Oh yeah, I forgot there's the potential for a scum friendly-fire night kill or lynch control attempt. I actually really like this style of game because of the unique information asymmetry and scum situation. | ||
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On February 14 2012 11:58 redFF wrote: can we get some people who aren't pants on head retarded to come agree with me I think it should have been reasonably clear with some analysis that V7's claim had holes in it (navillius and n2 no-check, as well as the fact that he had to respost it, just off hand), and he was scum, not you. | ||
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On February 14 2012 12:04 redFF wrote: but it was zeph, v7 myself and cwave how can town win from that you lynch zeph, V7 holds his fire to avoid a quick-draw competition, then it's LYLO with 2 towns 1 scum. | ||
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Also, I'm sorry for the poopey mouth remark. | ||
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On February 14 2012 12:09 redFF wrote: we had all 5 scum practically confirmed, we didn't pull anything together ;_; we got a draw... and we almost got a win! | ||
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Well, if Jack didn't claim blue or if Lanaia didn't give out the exact distro of her checks (2 G 1 B), we could have kept the Senator alive. I think you did a pretty solid job. | ||
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I feel like with marginally better town or blue play this would have been a totally different story. Looking over it, I think my big mistake this game was going after Refallen. It should have been fairly obvious that his interaction with redFF was not scummy, but I wasn't able to figure that out. I should have been more aggressive about V7's claim-- I knew something was fishy but wasn't able to sniff it out before getting shot ;_; Thanks for a fun game everyone! Also btw one thing iGrok to take a look at is Zona's Purgatory Mafia. She had like 3-4 alternative win / stalemate avoidance conditions in her win conditions. I think a couple of things in the style of that might have avoided the weirdness at the end of the game. Keep up the good work! | ||
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On February 15 2012 02:16 iGrok wrote: I'll take a look at ideas like that. The difficulty with that is that I can't make alternate win scenarios public, because all the roles are mostly) secret. Still, that's a good idea, and I'll probably incorporate that into the next Sleeper Cell, if/when there is one. Oh yeah in Zona's setup I guess it's different because the exact role distribution was known to all factions. Maybe a change of the wording to be "When there are 0 town-aligned players, or there is no way to prevent this from coming to pass" or something like that? I'm sure you'll think of something. | ||
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On February 15 2012 04:39 vaderseven wrote: Acctually ya zephs idea is the best. The core of this setup is NOT the BP it is the communication that scum use and thw inception agent. I would say go for town having two dreamer roles that are not identical. You should have one of them be called The Architect, just because it would be a good complement (name-wise) to Inception Agent. | ||
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On February 15 2012 07:56 redFF wrote: problem solved Would it also work if it were like this? The mafia wins when there are no town players left or nothing can keep that from happening | ||
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EDIT: possibly replacing the BP role | ||
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