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Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 28 2012 12:47 GMT
#449
I am actually kibd of mad at mz. Why would you on for a game and then request yourself to be banned. I mean real life stuff happens but...


Someone gave a weird face when I said we probably shouldn't speculate in regards to prs. I just mean that it probably won't be helpful in this setup. Also rad was against it.

Promise coherent thought in the morning. I need sleep.
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 29 2012 00:40 GMT
#480
I guess I sort of expected that. Didn't think he was scum.

People I'd like to lynch today:
Bum
Refallen
Maybe Jackal.

I'll be placing my vote on bum as he's my biggest scumread right now. How on earth is it radfield's fault he was lynched?

No need to write out people I don't want to lynch.

Blazinghand, who do you most want to lynch today and why?

Also where's igrok I want an updated player list.
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 29 2012 01:00 GMT
#483
You said it was radfield's fault he got lynched, did you not?
That part rubbed me the wrong way.

bum, who do YOU want to lynch most today?

Oh, I forgot about CWave. Could do for lynching him as well.
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 29 2012 01:02 GMT
#485
I thought he was replaced by scamp?
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 29 2012 01:21 GMT
#490
I guess I missed the part where he hinted that.


@everyone.
How do you all feel about blazinghand?
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 29 2012 01:47 GMT
#493
We will not lynch him. Ever. Well, I won't but I will actively fight against it.
had pegged him as scum but things change.
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 29 2012 02:23 GMT
#497
Def want to hear from scamp. Will try to postbefore workbut no promises. Need sleep.

Anyone know if there's a refresh function on the android system?
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 29 2012 03:40 GMT
#499
His play near the end of yesterday made him feeo scummy. As for why it changed, doesn't matter at this momeny.
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 29 2012 10:28 GMT
#510
Don't like the redffvote or that he asked for it. Bums gotten better today so I am probably going to allow him another day. Waotimg to hear who blazing hand thinks os scum.
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 29 2012 12:19 GMT
#513
I want red to explain himself. Be back in about 8 or 9hours.
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 29 2012 22:59 GMT
#536
Redff, what do you think of blazinghand?
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 29 2012 23:44 GMT
#550
GGQ, please talk more. We need it. Seriously. Get over here now.

Red doesn't feel like how he normally feels when I think he's scum and when I think he's scum he's usually town so I think he's probably actually scum right now. But we'll see eventually.
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 30 2012 00:56 GMT
#555
On January 30 2012 09:19 Refallen wrote:
Lanaia sure is buddying BH so hard this game.

I'm moving my vote to bumatlarge.

redFF any chance you can tell us what my voting for you did?



Eventually everything will fall into place. Who are your top three scumreads?
I also wanna know this vote thing. Seems kinda weird
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 30 2012 01:33 GMT
#557
Hesmyrr, aside from being obtuse, how do you feel about red thus far?
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 30 2012 06:59 GMT
#565
I'd really prefer we drop the whole how many PRs we have. We really don't need to out anyone. We've already lost one PR.

I'm only willing to switch my vote to Cwave or refallen today.
Wanna hear more from Scamp, GGQ and refallen.
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 30 2012 10:19 GMT
#569
On January 30 2012 18:37 Cwave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 15:59 Lanaia wrote:
I'd really prefer we drop the whole how many PRs we have. We really don't need to out anyone. We've already lost one PR.

I'm only willing to switch my vote to Cwave or refallen today.
Wanna hear more from Scamp, GGQ and refallen.


So Lanaia, in your filter you poke a few people for some questions, talk about reallife and that's about it. No where do you actually post your opinion or take a stand on anything.

You also sway all over the place as for who to vote

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On January 27 2012 16:21 Lanaia wrote:
I really have no idea who I think I should vote for at this point. I will be back in the morning to vote. I will be here less than I'd hope tomorrow because school, staff meeting, and work.

I kinda wanna just vote Cwave.


Reallife + kinda wanna vote without any reasoning

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On January 29 2012 09:40 Lanaia wrote:

People I'd like to lynch today:
Bum
Refallen
Maybe Jackal.
.


No reasoning.

This also caught my attention concerning Blazinghand

Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 10:47 Lanaia wrote:
We will not lynch him. Ever. Well, I won't but I will actively fight against it.
had pegged him as scum but things change.


Please give me argumentation or something usefull as to WHY you come to this conclusion. Why did you have him down as scum before and what did he do to make you change to the point where you would fight for him?




I have posted opinions.
The reasoning doesn't matter at this point for why I think blazinghand is not scum. I would prefer not to disclose.
I've felt bum is scum all game. Refallen's vote yesterday wasn't that great. Not sure why I wrote Jackal down in the first place. I've said why I think you're scum.
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 30 2012 10:21 GMT
#570
I'll disclose if I'm forced to.
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 30 2012 11:15 GMT
#576
Cwave, apparently i forgot to mention that your reaction to pressure bothered me. Can post quotes when ai get up in the morning as phone multiquotes is hard. Bums reaction was worse though.when I say bother, o typically mean "I think this person is scum." Other times I'm piggybacking on someone else's reasoning and simply rehashing tends to make people wary.
blazinghand, sorry I'm an idiot.
scamp, yes, general stuff. Liking you.
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 30 2012 20:15 GMT
#596
On January 31 2012 05:01 Cwave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 04:55 Zephirdd wrote:
Well, I guess his final read is that Cwave is scum.

Also, you're right Hesmyrr. I had redFF on the list but then I noticed he didn't unvote, but I forgot to update the number there



Will Cwave be modkilled in the event he doesnt vote today?


What's with the trigger-happy modkillcowboys act? -.-
Why would i not vote today?


I'd assume he assumed that you wouldn't be back in time. I think it's a weird question, though.
and yes, I'm writing up a big post as we speak about the stuff you want me to elaborate on.
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
January 30 2012 20:41 GMT
#601
On January 30 2012 23:24 Hesmyrr wrote:
That's a lot of words, considering I still have no idea what you were saying on the post you pointed out. Also rather interesting standard for pointless question you have there: apparently asking someone opinion on other players is pointless while someone stating she feel something off about one of your posts requires a full dignified response xD

Agreed.

I know I'm suspecting people on rad's wagon, but he's a good player. I wouldn't lynch him d1. Also, he felt obviously town to me so I couldn't really understand why all those people were on him.

Reasons I think bum is scum:

On January 28 2012 05:43 Lanaia wrote:
Bum I don't like. He's been saying things that I really think aren't good for us, but radfield pointed some of it out earlier. Now, I'm not terribly good at reading bum, but he's realllllllllly rubbing me the wrong way. Especially after iso'ing him.

I was avoiding parroting rad here.
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 27 2012 02:09 Radfield wrote:
However, I DO think Bum is a good lynch so far. Lets break it down:

* He made a post referencing that he thinks there are 5 mafia members. As I pointed out, this is one way for mafia to communicate. However, players do this all the time at the start of games with hidden mafia counts, so it is hardly damning.

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On January 26 2012 13:22 bumatlarge wrote:
I get the "calling people town" gig, but how would mafia figure out who each other are based on speculation? I don't see anyway I could hint that I'm scum without townies seeing it, or that townies could just fake?

Mafia are going to find mafia based on reads rather then hints I would think. And above those, broadcasts are going to give them an edge. Seems kinda pointless.

I would be curious as to what GGQ and jackal would know to look out for in the first game, but jackal was LOL, and GGQ for all intent and purpose was a townie.



If you're looking for hidden breadcrumbs, this one jumps right out at you. Read that line, out of context it actually says "I could hint that I'm scum"

He also calls my suggestions pointless, even though it seem he understands them.

He also makes a random sentance about wanting Jackal/GGQ's advice while simultaneously mentioning that the advice would be pretty worthless.

These are all pretty minor things, but added up they constitute a slight case.


This doesn't feel like it comes from a town mindset. Sure, he was trying to avoid getting me lynched, but...
On January 28 2012 04:17 bumatlarge wrote:
Lanaia is always wishy washy. Every game regardless of alignment.

Nice try to everyone stuffing their vote on her, but she should not be the lynch. I'd definitely lynch radfield over her. I don't have a proper read on navillus or cwave, but I have no problem lynching them.

He shouldn't want to lynch someone he has no proper read on over me. That's something that feels scummy. If he thinks I'm wishywashy as both town and scum, why would he bother lynching people with no proper reads over me? I can't make sense of that as it's illogical. I would have been a better lynch than radfield as he's a much much much better scumhunter than I am.

On January 29 2012 03:59 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 21:38 Refallen wrote:

Ok, so right off the bat, he buddies Meapak in trying to lynch Radfield, by claiming that he's breadcrumbing...

but he breadcrumbs
I don't see anyway I could hint that I'm scum without townies seeing it, or that townies could just fake?


here too,

Then when radfield calls him out on it,

Well maybe it is a hidden breadcrumb for me not to get shot, and I'm not scum? Your move kaiba.


What is this? He actually claims that he is breadcrumbing, and the reason for that is so that he "dosen't get shot"? Does this not scream I AM SLEEPER AGENT DON'T SHOOT ME to you? It does for me.


I wouldn't make this blatant a breadcrumb that can be misinterpretted so easily. The second post is a joke. Keep digging in your sandbox, and I'll give you actual methods of catching scum in the mean-time. If scum shoot me for whatever reason, you don't go searching radfield's voters for scum, or at least not the early ones. Radfield was far from a clear town, so I think most scum would be too pussy to act on lynching him until later.

Look at who you think is likely townie, and see if anyone voted for them. Analyze that person, and try to catch backwards logic. If you do, chances are they are scum trying to make a safe vote. That's all I have for now, but I'll be active in the beginning of the day later. End of night happens right as I leave work, so I can't really catch new developments


Jokes can still be used as crumbsssssss! The bolded is something I feel is WIFOM. You could be that blatant as scum because "oh, no one would ever actually suspect me because that would be stupid for scum to do."
In this post, he says "Rad was far from clear town." But he also says "Look at who you think is likely townie, and see if anyone voted for them. Analyze that person, and try to catch backwards logic. If you do, chances are they are scum trying to make a safe vote."
It feels to me like he was trying to avoid people looking at rad's wagon.
Some people have done that. I thought rad was town, and as such, I did look back at the wagon, as did a couple others (red, etc).

On January 29 2012 14:35 bumatlarge wrote:
Hopefully this isn't a downward slope. I'll give you a hint, there is a reason everyone has called cwave scummy, and I am tied in votes with him.

This post is scummy. Deflecting attention off himself and onto Cwave when Cwave wasn't going to be lynched today, and with no reason. You can't just deflect off yourself and onto someone else with no substance. I think the winking face throws me off, but I don't understand why he posted this.

It seems to me bum had some idea about rad being an inception agent, refused to say anything, and let him get lynched whilst being on his wagon:
On January 30 2012 15:36 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 05:33 Hesmyrr wrote:
Voting for town =/= mafia. I recall you posting you were going to ISO players who voted for Radfield, RedFF. (#) Pretty funny your accusation against Jackal58 and bumatlarge only consist of argument "they are experienced and they killed Rad, die!!!!!", yeah? (#)

However I'm almost sure bumatlarge is scum now, after finding this gem while looking over his post.
On January 29 2012 10:12 bumatlarge wrote:
On January 29 2012 10:00 Lanaia wrote:
You said it was radfield's fault he got lynched, did you not?
That part rubbed me the wrong way.

bum, who do YOU want to lynch most today?

Oh, I forgot about CWave. Could do for lynching him as well.


It was, he fucking hinted at inception agent but it went so far against the gist of what he was hiding it in, it seemed like he threw trash together to make a good post. Look at meapak's first post.


On January 26 2012 16:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Lol wow radfield, I’m actually shocked you slipped so bad in your first post. Your massive post was a massive warning to mafia and so hypocritical and here’s why.
On January 26 2012 12:22 Radfield wrote:
/confirm

On January 26 2012 10:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Depending on power roles, I'd say there are about 4-5 mafia? Leaning 5 and town having some blues.



First things first, please do not do this. Consider: Mafia do not know who their partners are. Therefore, high up on the priority list of the mafia is figuring out who the other members are. We need to not let this happen easily. The mafia have access to several pieces of information we do not, most specifically the number of mafia in the game. Players popping out and saying they think there are X amount of mafia are immediately getting a note in my scum book. Why? It's one way for a mafia player to indicate he is mafia to the rest of the crew, without raising suspicion. Makes sense? So no speculation on mafia numbers please, at least not right now.

Second, mafia have very limited forms of communication this game, and from the looks of the Inception agent role, we can assume that town has some way to view their messages. This means mafia have to be extremely careful with what they write, so blatant things like lets kill X tomorrow are probably out. So mafia need a means to try to indicate to their brethren who should be getting hit. Imagine I am scum, I want to make sure that my buddies don't accidently send in hits on players I think are scummy, I want them to send in the hits on people I think seem like sure town. So what am I going to do? I'm going to repeatedly hammer it home in thread that I think Player Z is sure town. If there is general consensus among the group that player Z is town, he is a great target for mafia to lump in on.

We need to ensure this does not happen. Therefore I propose that NO ONE call anyone else town. Players are either scummy, very scummy, definitely scum, OR not scum. That is all. If you think someone is almost for sure town, you still just have to call them 'not scum'.

Benefits: Stops mafia from finding clear night-kill targets, and increases the chance of them shooting themselves.

Cons: Possibly leaves us low on town leaders. Certain players may spend too much time going after obvious townies.

Likewise, we should not be making medic lists. If you think a particular player should receive protection, that's probably cool, but no listing 3 or 4 people. In this game, that's just giving mafia a clear list of targets to shoot at, which is exactly what they need(a list). Medics in this scenario should be protecting whomever is most likely to die anyways, as there is no WIFOMing your medic protect around.

Third, and this is straight out of resistance mafia, no talking about mafia strats. We simply do not talk about optimal mafia moves, or likely moves, as that is simply a way for mafia to galvanize their actions together. In a game with minimal mafia interaction, we need to ensure that they cannot use the thread to disseminate information

So this game we talk about townie strats and townie moves, not mafia ones. On the flip side we do not call people likely town or town, we call them not scum or varying degrees of scum. Thoughts? Agreement or Disagreement?


LOLOL couldn’t you have hidden it better? For those who don’t see it, paragraph in red is basically a massive warning to fellow scum. Of course a scum post wouldn’t be complete without an obvious contradiction and rad doesn’t disappoint with his little ending bit about not giving advice to mafia.

Let’s start the day off right ##Vote: Radfield


I think the section we both saw as scummy, was the section radfield put the most effort into making. Therefore he may not have noticed how bad it looked when he said the second red paragraph. Also hence why I was sure radfield was scum when he basically called MZ town after posting that.

It's nice to see you being aggressive lanaia. I want to lynch cwave.

If you don't know, this is the post Lanaia apparently had bad vibe about:
On January 28 2012 15:41 bumatlarge wrote:
Meh it's radfield's fault

Didn't realize how close I came to actually getting lynched.

Okay, when you hunt scum the basic is trying to find a post that town would never make but scum would. And this, ladies and gentleman, is one. What Lanaia brought up honestly did not mean anything; literally anyone who thought Radfield defended himself poorly could have wrote that post without thinking. Bumatlarge could have simply said "well, that's what I really think. If Radfield played better his lynch could definitely have been averted" and that would have been the end.

Instead, bumatlarge refers back to the first post Radfield had made and tries to give really unconvincing explanation about how Radfield - because he was blue - deliberately wrote the red part and managed to screw himself. What? Did anyone understood what he meant to say? It feels to me that bum was really reaching for the explanation that sounds good and logical unnecessarily, and I can see only one reason why he would do that: I think bumatlarge panicked when Lanaia made that irrelevant attack and over-reacted. And only people who have something to hide would behave like that, namely scum.
##Vote bumatlarge

Also I still think CWave is VI.


Oh you filthy whore! People are voting me so I'm explaining why I had no qualms as town to oust radfield. If I said your lame excuse, that wouldn't be helping town. It sounds good? LOL that usually means it's true. You haven't touched on the actual substance of my reasoning, you are just guessing on why it could make me scum. The only thing that is hard to differentiate is if you really think I'm scum, or you are mafia, and either way you benefit from this. Please pay close attention to hesmyrr if I get lynched. Cwave being VI is probably the single most bullshit thing I have heard in the past few months. Zero explanation for it.

Also, people using breadcrumbs as a legitimate way to catch scum on the first day-


Bum's response to hesmyrr is overkill. His reply to my not liking him saying it was rad's fault was also overkill. The things Hesmyrr said about my pointing it out are things I agree with strongly.

On January 30 2012 15:49 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 10:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Depending on power roles, I'd say there are about 4-5 mafia? Leaning 5 and town having some blues.




You guys make me mad. Also my backspace key gets stuck so I have to avoid the habit of pressing it or it start to erase my whole post.

This post literally made no sense in the place in the thread it was. I don't really understand why he even bothered saying it. Why were we making him mad? Because we thought he's scum?

He says a lot of the things people ask are pointless which is kind of silly, because it helps to generate discussion, which is important to the game of mafia.
Tell me if you want more out of me, Cwave. Moving onto my reasons for you now.
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
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