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+ Show Spoiler +On January 12 2012 06:12 Blurry wrote:
The idea that me immediately voting for Sheth was somehow a mafia plan to make me innocent in the town's eyes is rather stupid. I am not a good player by any stretch of the imagination so why would he sacrifice himself to try and help make one of the weakest players in the game look more innocent. It was not clear that he was going to be lynched. May I remind you that the vote for him succeeded by just one vote. If I had been scum I would have either feigned inactivity and not voted, or perhaps voted for Cats who was already under a lot of suspicion at that point.
Omg lol.
So instead of defending yourself against every point of the case against you, you just decide to cling unto WIFOM?
lol nice try
+ Show Spoiler +The idea that me immediately voting for Sheth was somehow a mafia plan to make me innocent in the town's eyes is rather stupid
lol no it's not, ever heard of "bussing"?
+ Show Spoiler +I am not a good player by any stretch of the imagination so why would he sacrifice himself to try and help make one of the weakest players in the game look more innocent
You mean, why would Sheth, a scum under A LOT of pressure, who was heading for a lynch, sacrifice 1 vote from his scumbuddy, and bus him so he would make his weak scumbuddy gain town cred so he can try to survive longer?
Hmm, let me see, I can't find any reason at all!
+ Show Spoiler +It was not clear that he was going to be lynched. May I remind you that the vote for him succeeded by just one vote. If I had been scum I would have either feigned inactivity and not voted, or perhaps voted for Cats who was already under a lot of suspicion at that point
Great, did Sheth tell you to point this out later if somebody suspected you?
This is the shittiest WIFOM ever, just like all the WIFOM you've been pulling out throughout the whole game
Here, let me point them out for you:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 04 2012 11:18 Blurry wrote:
The thing to watch for initially is whether or not a role blocker reveals himself. I doubt a role blocker would do anything so early however as they have no idea who to target and successfully cause some harm.
WIFOM
+ Show Spoiler +On January 07 2012 17:19 Blurry wrote:
I've been trying to figure out why someone would target Tunkeg rather than someone like Probulous (posted the most analysis and was one of the most assertive players thus far). I think this could potentially tell us certain things.
Probulous posted his reads on all the players in the game categorizing them by who he thought was town/neutral/mafia. While this does not make him seem any more scummy. My instinct on this is that a player who is mafia is categorized by him as being town and this cover would be useful to the mafia in some way.
My other thought is that Tunkeg was pressuring someone that was mafia in a way that made him the biggest threat. He was pressuring Gonzaw and Cephiro and also did a little bit on Sheth. Since Cephiro was already cast under so much suspicion by Probulous I infer that there is a high chance that either Gonzaw or Sheth, or both are scum and am going to re-read their posts thoroughly. My initial instinct is that Sheth is the more likely candidate as he has literally posted zero analysis and has simply pressured or challenged peoples points rather than helping us weed out scum.
HOLY SHIT ENORMOUS USELESS WIFOM
+ Show Spoiler +On January 11 2012 07:27 Blurry wrote:
There is no way that both Gretorp and Xeris were scum because they were totally inactive and it is doubtful that they would have submitted their night actions. My guess with no evidence to back my claims is that its one of those two plus one of the players that has been more active.
More WIFOM.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 12 2012 06:12 Blurry wrote:
The idea that me immediately voting for Sheth was somehow a mafia plan to make me innocent in the town's eyes is rather stupid. I am not a good player by any stretch of the imagination so why would he sacrifice himself to try and help make one of the weakest players in the game look more innocent. It was not clear that he was going to be lynched. May I remind you that the vote for him succeeded by just one vote. If I had been scum I would have either feigned inactivity and not voted, or perhaps voted for Cats who was already under a lot of suspicion at that point.
And here's the epitome of WIFOM too
+ Show Spoiler +I am not a good player by any stretch of the imagination so why would he sacrifice himself to try and help make one of the weakest players in the game look more innocent
Thank you for reminding me of that.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 06 2012 00:53 Blurry wrote:
Okay, my last post for the day:
Staying on CM/Tea as I am still unsure about Cephiro.
Other than that, I'm sorry I couldn't contribute more this first day as I am still new to this and am not sure what to look for in terms of reading players but by going over players posts I am getting a good idea and I'm sure my analysis quality will steadily improve over the course of the game.
One thing that strikes me looking back at all this is CM voting for CatsinHats. If CM/Tea is indeed scum then I think this provides evidence towards cats not being scum as I dont think CM would have been that meta especially with the holes in his play he has already shown. This can't be assumed however so I would still be suspicious.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 15:32 Blurry wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 12:30 gonzaw wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 05 2012 08:51 Blurry wrote:
Part 2: (taking a long time to write this)
I know I originally wanted to not lynch somebody but the benefits of information make it a more appealing option and I feel like we have some solid candidates
7: Xeris
Has contributed absolutely nothing other than his stance against a lynch today. No analysis or contribution. Leaning on Scum.
8: Gretorp
Has also not contributed anything + no stance on any issue presented. Unless he posts something meaningful in the next day he will get my vote. Leaning heavily on scum.
9: Gonzaw
Likes to pressure people and prod them for feedback. Also posted his thoughts and took a clear stance on issues. Leaning on town.
10: Me
I haven't contributed much other than the Roleblocker thing but I will stand by that. If someone gets role blocked they should immediately say it. The more information the better, and it would be risky for a mafia to claim being role blocked if it gets revealed that there really isn't he is automatically implicated. So guys, if you get role blocked: make sure you tell us.
11: Probulous
Another discussion leader. Has been active in contributing and putting pressure on people (catsnhats). Leaning on town for him.
12: CatsNHats
Although he may have flip flopped positions early in the game I still feel like he is town as he has not shied away from speaking his mind on who he thinks may be scum. We should pressure him but my stance on him is neutral.
Ugh... I don't feel like I added too much with that so I'll go back over everything and post my overall feeling for the game so far. Hmm, I find it interesting how you use the same format Cephiro did for posting your analisis. Did you do that on purpose or is it a coincidence? Also, who are those "solid candidates" you speak of? If you had to lynch only one of them now, who would it be? Gretorp? Does the new events change your opinion or not? Also: + Show Spoiler +I haven't contributed much other than the Roleblocker thing but I will stand by that. If someone gets role blocked they should immediately say it. The more information the better, and it would be risky for a mafia to claim being role blocked if it gets revealed that there really isn't he is automatically implicated. So guys, if you get role blocked: make sure you tell us. Isn't this kind of obvious? Of course if a townie is RBed he should claim, why did you feel the need to state so? I posted in the same format as Cephiro because I'm new to this and I'm trying to pick up on how this game is played. Thus you will see me emulate some things that other players will do or how they format their analysis. This won't be the first time you will see this.Solid Candidates: Gretorp, Cookiemaker I would probably rather lynch Gretorp because he hasn't said anything To your last point: This is a newbie game, maybe its not obvious. I just want to make sure that people know to claim a RB.
You are constantly undermining your own play, saying you are a "weak player"; that you'll "emulate some things other players will do", saying you are "new to this", saying you are "not sure what to look for in terms of reading players", and apologizing yoruself...
This is the "newb card" played so straight it hurts..
Of course, you are a "weak player" so we can just ignore you, right?
You haven't even responded to any of the other points I made.
You are still ignoring me. You have Prob being your babysitter, and nobody's listening to me. You may just think that ignoring me and let town focus on Cats can get you off the hook, since you just have 1 vote on you.
But you won't
People, it's obvious Blurry is scum, change your vote to him NOW.
I'm not sure Cats is scum yet, for a while he's actually contributing, being active, and at least he's fucking trying.
We can deal with Cats later, Blurry is far a better lynch, since I'm almost sure he's scum.
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On January 12 2012 07:03 Blurry wrote:
@Cats, for now I will stick with you as my scum vote. You are still my best bet for who should be lynched today. Keep in mind, if you are indeed town, and you get lynched, you dont lose the game. Your death will give us valuable information on who was pushing for your lynch.
For now tell me what you think about Gonzaw.
Whilst your first post today was good this is not so good. If Cats is town then him getting lynch is always bad. What information specifically would you gain from his lynch? Voting patterns perhaps, but he has been the easy lynch all game so that doesn't really tell us much. I mean most people now who have him as scum do so based on other people's analysis. Compare a possible Cats lynch to AKCT. Almost identical in that no-one was really pushing a different target. What did AKCT lynch tell us?
Sweet fuck all because everyone voted for him. This is why sheeping is bad, you can't tell people's motivations for actions.
Blurry, what is your response to Gonzaw's case against you. Particularly your lack of communication with Sheth given you were suspicious of him? Oh and please answerCats` question regarding Paperscraps.
I can give an explanation for your early vote on Sheth that still makes you scum. You guys didn't expect Sheth to get lynched. An early vote for you takes you out of the spotlight and probably doesn't lead to his lynching. But as soon as the wagon really gets rolling what do you gain by jumping off? If you jumped off the wagon you would be under serious pressure the next day and both Sheth and you would be identified as scum. Better to leave you on and hope people give you credit for it. Let Sheth try and redirect the wagon onto someone else, if it works you are not blamed for the miss-lynch and if it doesn't you gain town cred for lynching Sheth. Sure you aren't the strongest player but you weren't under major suspicion and Sheth was. You had much to gain and little to lose.
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There is that timing again, welcome back Gonz!
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On January 10 2012 12:11 Blurry wrote: ![[image loading]](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_-7gz1x_HNjE/SwqdxoGT0TI/AAAAAAAAAZg/xrPw4MbfbWw/s320/fedora_cat_hat.jpg) CatsnHats, the Indecisive Thug Take a close look at that image above good sirs of the town. Would you trust this man to watch over your house when you were away on vacation? Would you trust him not to take advantage of you? Of course not! That fedora screams of lies and deceit. This is why among other reasons that shall be outlined below, that we should no longer stand for such a villain to remain living within our midst. Fancy Analycising Follows:
Show nested quote + Prob's analysis of Cephiro is very well thought out and cited, and your follow-up is logical. But all of this talk back and forth between you too and "what happens if we lynch a green and I thought he was red, what does that make me look like to the town" talk is very circular and frankly unneeded at this point. It's just dead text to me. We should focus on who's the scummiest, not the repercussions of being wrong on your read. Be confident and we'll deal with the effects after the lynch, not before.
That being said, despite your circular theoretical talk, at this point I'm confident in your analysis of Cephiro and think he is more of a threat than Gretorp.
So ##unvote Gretorp
##vote Cephiro This is an obvious bandwagon vote, and in light of recent events (Sheth is a bad person) the fact that he followed his scum-buddy in the vote makes perfect sense. Before this post he expressed his read on Cephiro as town (too lazy to quote) but as soon as that post is written up about him and Probulous and Sheth vote for him he all of a sudden thinks that Cephiro is stabbing hobos in an alleyway. I will say this to those that may claim that I have done a similar thing (which I have). I am, as Probulous so eloquently pointed out, a blatant sheep. I go where the grasses are the greenest and if someone has a good argument I believe them. CatsnHats is no sheep, he pushed for the vote of lurkers such as myself and Xeris, something that us sheeps would never be so bold to do. This leads to my next point: His change of heart which perfectly coincided with Probulous' reconciliation of Cephiro: Show nested quote +Cephiro really impressed me with the way he defended himself against your analysis. His statistics post people got angry at him for isn't really that big of a deal for me since it was his first post and it's his first game of forum mafia. Ceph was also the first the post a write-up on all the town, although you picked it apart later. I still think that counts for something. He called out Sheth in his defense post for Sheth's wishy washy play, and later pressured me on my terrible play up to that point. His analysis was the reason I made the martyr post. There was no real way for me to defend my play up to the point, and seeing it written up that way I knew I was distracting from catching scum. His analysis is very good, and I hope he gets back from his sports tournament soon because he's an asset to this town. Cephiro is definitely a town read for me. So now the town thinks Cephiro is innocent? Better change my viewpoint so people don't think I'm more of a murderer! Need I explain more? Probably not! But I will anyways because I'm having fun with my stupid online persona. This is not unique to simply Cephiro, notice how most of his reads on people where he says they are very town to him come after the majority of the town have come to that consensus. BANDWAGONING EXTREME DERBY! Verdict: Blatant BandwagThe train continues with his hesitation on lynching Sheth. Why is he so hesitant this young sheep asked himself! It's not as if Probulous' points on Sheth were any less convincing or accurate then those he had against Cephiro? So why was he so hesitant? Because bad mafias are unable to lynch their teammates. Sheth, sensing this posts this lovely gem: I sense shenanigans! Also, his comment on my brilliant expose where I uselessly speculated on the meaning of Probulous not getting lynched reeked of indecisiveness: Show nested quote +His big analysis post was 1-2 sentences on each player. Not enough content. Thoughts? Let me translate that from scumspeak to townspeak for you: Guys, I want to know if I'm on the right track to being considered town again, if not I will try a different approach. Still not convinced? Well let me provide a picture of myself to convince you otherwise: Note the absence of any suspicious looking fedora and the sheepish look on my face! Of course you're going to believe me because I'm just so adorable that I must be telling the truth? Still unconvinced? Check out these testimonials! "A true force for good in our town! Blurry should be crowned supreme emperor of the town" - Kofi Anan"This man wins more than me" - Charlie Sheen"Please marry me Blurry!" - Mila KunisNow that you are totally convinced, Vote CatsnHats for lynch. ##Vote: CatsnHats<3
Blurry, simple question.
Is there anything in your case against Cats that cannot be used to explain your play?
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Since I do not think it would matter if I tried to disprove Gonzaw's points, I won't even try:
I am the medic
I have been healing probulous since Night 1. Do what you will with this information...
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On January 12 2012 08:31 Blurry wrote:
Since I do not think it would matter if I tried to disprove Gonzaw's points, I won't even try:
I am the medic
I have been healing probulous since Night 1. Do what you will with this information...
WHAT THE FUCK. If you are telling the truth you just fucked us over. You are going to die tonight now if that's true.
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Well this was unexpected. Here I am catching up on the thread, seeing Cats & Paper point fingers at each other, gonzaw pressuring Blurry, and now you claim medic?
And it's only 1h 15min -ish till lynch. Well this certainly doesn't make stuff any easier.
I'll have to get back and re-read your filter, I don't really know what to think of that claim...
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EBWOP: Probulous hasn't been targeted for a lynch yet, so we can't tell for sure if Blurry's telling the truth.
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EBWOP:
1. You can be a vanilla townie roleclaiming to protect yourself/Probulous
2. You could actually be the medic and you've fucked us because they could have a roleblocker, making you USELESS, giving them a freekill on anyone.
3. You could be scum trying to run a crazy smokescreen.
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I get lynched, they get a freekill on anyone anyway. This way, I can gamble whether or not they have a Roleblocker. If they don't they will probably kill me tonight saving you guys some time, whoever town is.
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On January 12 2012 08:31 Blurry wrote:
Since I do not think it would matter if I tried to disprove Gonzaw's points, I won't even try:
I am the medic
I have been healing probulous since Night 1. Do what you will with this information...
This is kinda what I did in my martyr post, without the roleclaim and all. I had him pegged as a lurker town noob, and I can totally see a lurker town noob doing this. What do we do?
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On January 04 2012 11:18 Blurry wrote:
The thing to watch for initially is whether or not a role blocker reveals himself. I doubt a role blocker would do anything so early however as they have no idea who to target and successfully cause some harm.
I would however advise against strongly pushing for a lynch without any concrete evidence or based solely off of speculation as with low killing power, lynching someone who is innocent would cause much more damage then simply not lynching at all.
On January 04 2012 11:40 Blurry wrote:
Not directly to everyone but lets say player A is a detective. Player A gets role blocked one night and now knows which of the setups is present. This may not be shared with the entire town but is useful information for the specific player to have.
On January 05 2012 08:51 Blurry wrote:
10: Me
I haven't contributed much other than the Roleblocker thing but I will stand by that. If someone gets role blocked they should immediately say it. The more information the better, and it would be risky for a mafia to claim being role blocked if it gets revealed that there really isn't he is automatically implicated. So guys, if you get role blocked: make sure you tell us.
On January 05 2012 22:43 Blurry wrote:
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Probulous is the obvious choice as he has posted the most solid analysis thus far.
On January 06 2012 00:53 Blurry wrote:
Other than that, I'm sorry I couldn't contribute more this first day as I am still new to this and am not sure what to look for in terms of reading players but by going over players posts I am getting a good idea and I'm sure my analysis quality will steadily improve over the course of the game.
I am trying to find breadcrumbs backing up to your claim of medic. You seem to talk a lot about roleblocking which would make sense if you were the medic. If someone was roleblocked, and they told it, you would also know there is a DT in this game then. That last message looks like you are excusing the fact that you are "hiding", basically not contributing much, just carefully poking into conversations when you can, trying to confirm yourself as townie but not wake up too much attention. I think that at least slightly speaks for your claim.
On January 07 2012 17:19 Blurry wrote:
I've been trying to figure out why someone would target Tunkeg rather than someone like Probulous (posted the most analysis and was one of the most assertive players thus far). I think this could potentially tell us certain things.
Probulous posted his reads on all the players in the game categorizing them by who he thought was town/neutral/mafia. While this does not make him seem any more scummy. My instinct on this is that a player who is mafia is categorized by him as being town and this cover would be useful to the mafia in some way.
My other thought is that Tunkeg was pressuring someone that was mafia in a way that made him the biggest threat. He was pressuring Gonzaw and Cephiro and also did a little bit on Sheth. Since Cephiro was already cast under so much suspicion by Probulous I infer that there is a high chance that either Gonzaw or Sheth, or both are scum and am going to re-read their posts thoroughly. My initial instinct is that Sheth is the more likely candidate as he has literally posted zero analysis and has simply pressured or challenged peoples points rather than helping us weed out scum.
This post of yours semt so out of picture, but if you are actually the medic then it makes sense. You would have tried to protect Probu N1, thinking he would be the main target considering he was the most pro-town read by many at that point, and he was providing good analysis. So when your protection ended up not blocking a hit, this kind of thinking is what a medic would start to consider indeed.
Hard to say. :/ There seems to be small points pointing toward your favour, but it could have been intentional play since the start to fake-claim later.
Under the assumption you are the medic, did you even consider protecting anyone else on N2 seeing that the N1 protection wasn't on spot? I do see the point in protecting Probu since he has been one of the most (if not the most) active seemingly pro-town players thus far.
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EBWOP: 100th post too ^ Yay?
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On January 12 2012 08:56 Blurry wrote:
##Unvote: CatnHats
Who do you think is the best lynch target for today? Also, your reasoning for the current unvote?
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On January 12 2012 08:23 flamewheel wrote:dis i liek
He gets 17 mod points
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I don't get it; i really don't get it! You don't need to role claim to prove you are town you fool! The only person that was voting for you at the moment is Gonz! Pretty much everyone else has been focussed on Cats or Paper; even if they weren't by arguing against your accusers effectively you can demonstrate that you are town.
Sigh.
What a waste.
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You role claimed after you were pressured by one person? OMG why?! Cephiro makes alot of good points towards you actually being a medic, and I'm about 85% sure you are. Well that leaves me and Paperscraps up for vote in 45 minutes. I would like to think I have done enough to redeem myself to live another day (I don't think I will be targeted in the night because of all of this new info). I think we should vote Paperscraps. Do you agree Blurry? bkrow? Probulous? Cephiro? Gonzaw?
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