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Since it's instant majority lynch I think we should wait until near the end to vote or at least be aware of how many votes a player has on him before voting. We want the days to last as long as possible so we might as well use all the time that we are given instead of hammering the first scummy person we see. It would be smarter if the Town Channeler banishes people who are likely to be hit n1 instead of aiming to roleblock an angel unless he's very confident about a read. Obviously we want to lynch an angel today to try to reduce the KP but I'm not sure that there is anyway we can tell the difference between demons and angels, at least until their teammates have flipped. Probably later in the game we will have to focus on lynching demons over angels when they've corrupted several townies but We'll talk about that if it comes to that. | ||
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On January 04 2012 23:38 Dirkzor wrote: What if they target the player that is in purgatory? If Player A is in Purgatory and is targeted with Slay, he won't die. All we would know (from day posts) are that noone died from slay. Was it because Player A was targeted or is Player A the Angel of death? Either way we can't conclude anything. It would be very suspicious if it happened several nights with the same player in purgatory. We could have gotten lucky either way: Having the AoD in Purgatory or the AoD targeted the player in Purgatory, but no way to know which. For this situation the most important fact is the person's status. If it's a veteran who had a high likelihood of being attacked n1 then he should be checked before lynched. If it is somebody who you wouldn't expect to be attacked lynch him. Sure it's possible that the angel could hold back his shot but it's unlikely for them to do so since they would rather kill the target of their choice than let a random player get lynched(which could even end up as one of their own.) | ||
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Do you think that Dirkzor would be a good day1 lynch or did you just vote him to check Zbot? | ||
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If we can't be sure that a player is an angel/demon I think the safe lynch is bluelightz. His play in Student mafia was weak and so far this game he has posted nothing but one liners. Hopefully he will have solid content when he returns but I am not too optimistic. I just don't think I will get a good read on him and he's not somebody I would want at lylo, the only downside to lynching him is that it may not give us as much information as many other lynches. Perhaps he would be a good n1 target for the town demon hunter? | ||
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The issue is that the last game I played in the town pretty much unanimously agreed that one player was acting scummy and he flipped town leaving the town basically as clueless on day 2 as we were day1. He seems like a solid lynch to me but if he flips town We'll be left with less information than I'd like. I basically answered my question from the end of my last post, he's a good demon hunter target (not like the angels will kill him for us) but maybe not the best for a lynch. | ||
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If he is sent to purgatory I would assume it was done by demons but their intentions are unknown, maybe they want to save him maybe they want to force a mislynch. | ||
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Syllogism was right, In Student Mafia he was a replacement and scum, this is not enough information for me to know that he won't be helpful to town but that was the impression I got from him and he has not done anything to change it thus far. (BH seemed to have gotten the same impression) As for lurkers I'm a bit disturbed that Errandor is the only person getting called out. I have not seen a post from Errandor or RoL and Palmar knows the game started but only posted On January 04 2012 20:33 Palmar wrote: I'm a kite! From what I gather though this is standard for Palmar. On January 04 2012 21:13 Refallen wrote: Is this some kind of metagame thing again? Dosen't Palmar always troll around in day 1? I remember that in TLXLVIII. These players are veterans so I hope that they will contribute to the game. Luckily the day is 72 hours so we still have plenty of time left. | ||
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On January 05 2012 08:41 Blazinghand wrote: No I took a lot of shit because of me. You didn't contribute to my Bluelightz idea at all, except to remind me he existed and is bad. If you like the bluelightz lynch, make a case and make your vote like a man. If you don't like it, don't do it. You make expand and defense it and you do so with vigor. Being like "hey guys should we pressure Bluelightz" and then apologizing for it doesn't help my case against him, and it doesn't help him either. I already explained this though he is my 2nd choice for a lynch over a lurker lynch. Both styles of play are anti-town but we should be lynching scum not just people who are being anti-town. Your case on BL does not prove that he is scum it just says that his actions are anti-town. | ||
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He was one of the first people into the game and took a lot of time to comment on the setup. (this is what the majority of his posts are about) At the start of the game he asks for us to give strategies for demons/angels which to me seemed weird from a town perspective and not beneficial to town. In Newbie mini Mafia he was very active and spent a lot of time scum hunting. So far there has been no scumhunting done by him On January 05 2012 15:05 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: So how would people feel about lynching Palmar or Erandorr if they don't start posting more? Both have posted nothing of worth so far, Palmar was even active elsewhere on the mafia forum today, and both are known for doing very little as scum. He seems fairly content with lynching a lurker. (Palmar/Errandorr are the only people he's pushed lynches for) Together this paints a picture to me, he is one of the earlier players to sign up, he was here right when the game started, he had the time to post quite a few things about the setup which tells us nothing about his allignment. In another game when he is town he is more active and does a lot of scumhunting but in this game he wants a lurker lynch.(granted it did include some meta with it) He has the time to post but chooses not to. I'll wait for more posts. | ||
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On January 06 2012 03:02 layabout wrote: I would lynch/shoot/violently murder Grackaroni if i had to kill someone now at the beginning he talks about hypotheticals involving roles, serveral players did this and it was largely irrelevant and so cannot really be used in analysis. he then wrote very confusing to be pushing a lynch and saying that a lynch was safe (which implies the existence of reasons why the case is safe but does not offer them) The lynch is safe just like I would call a Lurker lynch safe, he's won't be any more beneficial to the town than a lurker. if we paraphrase then including this last bit results in "i think we should lynch a player that i do not think i will be able to get a good read on" Yes, that is part of my reasoning, why do people lynch lurkers? lynch to kill scum not to get information Correct the primary goal is to lynch scum, but the information aspect is also important, why do you think people hate no lynching? here grack suggests using towns KP on a player he doesn't think he can read who hasn't posted more than a couple of lines by this point in the game. I based it off of a past experience and the few quotes he had; I knew that he wouldn't be helpful. Besides BH used those same quotes why not question him?. I was wrong to do so but he still hasn't proven me wrong. It has also already been explained why he shouldn't have suggested BL would be useless The above post seems a lot more reasonable if there are scum goals behind it. it should be self evident this is why this is so, but i will say that most of those statements don't make sense if grack is town. he (kind of) tries to take credit for pressuring BL and takes the blame for "BH taking shit for him" I am pretty sure BH "taking shit" was not because of grack and that grack is possibly trying to "buddy" up with BH and paint himself in a good light for taking blame. + Show Spoiler + this is't particularly incriminating but reading that sentence did bug me There isn't much to analyse but he is a reddest shade of grey in my eyes I don't see much of a difference between my reasoning and BH's reasoning as much as he'd like to deny it. BH took all of his quotes and they only point to him being a bad player not scum. He even goes as far as to say that he wouldn't mind if he is town. [/b] On January 05 2012 03:02 Blazinghand wrote: Don't go lynching anyone but Bluelightz if you think he's a legit valid scum. It doesn't matter whether he's an angel or a demon or what. In fact, given that he was staggeringly bad in Student mafia (though he WAS a replacement) it might be good to kill him just because even if he is town he could be useless. | ||
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However the lynch is used for Information as well as killing scum, it wouldn't give the most information but more than I previously thought as a lot of people seem split on whether he is scum or not. Question for Syllogism, Why do you dislike lynching BlueLightz? Is it because you have gotten a town read on him, (if yes plz do share), or was it just because of the way I presented his lynch. | ||
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On January 06 2012 04:23 Blazinghand wrote: If I knew 100% Bluelightz was town, I'd be focusing other players. There's a difference between saying I wouldn't mind if he is town and it might be good to kill, just because even if he is town he could be useless. "Oh but Blazinghand I am grackaroni and have no understanding of nuance please explain" Oh, Grackaroni, you are always so self-derprecating. Here I will help you. If Bluelights is lynched and flips scum, that would be sweet. If Bluelightz flips town, i'm gonna mind a lot. I'm gonna be pissed because he played like shitty dick. It will still have been the right move to have lynched him based on the info we had, and even if he is town, you have to admit he's useless-- indistinguishable from scum and actively hurtful if he, somehow, lives to LYLO. So I guess my question for you, Captain Grack Sparrow, is, do you really think I'd be happy lynching a townie day 1? Or do you think I'm just willing to accept the consequences of my actions, like a goddamn man, make a case, like a goddamn man, and ACTUALLY VOTE AND DO STUFF. fine. ##Vote: HarbingerofDoom But with that I am off, Will be back in a few hours though, I promise | ||
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On January 06 2012 07:40 Blazinghand wrote: Grackaroni is a largely noncommittal semi-lurk who deserves the scorn of women and the hatred of men. If he somehow made it into the history books, the world would look back upon him and shudder with violent grief. Your case against him is fine. I want to see what he does. Inb4 noncomittal Grack is noncomittal. And Blazinghand is a god of mafia who deserves a statue built in his honor. | ||
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I know perfectly well that Bluelightz is being anti-town but having him as a lynch target won't make anybody take a stand on their vote. Everyone can agree that he is being anti-town and then if he flips town all we will gain from it is BH saying "Damn I'm so pissed off that this player who I completely expected to play well has performed poorly, guess it's his fault." i would avoid this problem with a day vig shot. @BH Do you really hold him up to the same standards as other players that you would be pissed off if he flips town? If people are going to lynch somebody who I don't think is scum and If I can't find a scum player I will vote Bluelightz, he is simply my backup lynch. (I think he has a greater chance of flipping scum than any random lurker) His play is anti town but that doesn't mean he is scum. You're right that I should be shooting the person I vote for but the choice to vote wasn't really thought out. i'm not confident that HoD is scum but I do have my suspicions. The vote was a little bit based off of emotions because I am tired of BH's "be a man and vote" rants. Nevertheless it's not the end of the world as my vote is not locked in stone by any means and I still have more time to look into HoD. (or anyone else for that matter) | ||
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On January 06 2012 05:08 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: All but two of my posts as of when you said this occurred while I was one of 5 people with posts in the game. Clearly I shoulda been scum hunting hard with all that info in the thread. I also did not and do not want a lurker lynch today. I wanted Palmar and Erandorr to start contributing, and the thread was fairly inactive at the time, so I thought bringing up a more controversial idea like lynching a couple veteran players might help get things moving, or at least get them contributing a bit more. Also, please don't use my first game ever to establish a meta on me. I've obviously adjusted my play since then. Try checking out Steamship or Election (as TotallyNotTwoPeople, starting game day 2 for when I basically began playing solo) to get a better meta read on me. That's basically one of the reasons I'm suspicious. You post a lot at the start and then when scumhunting begins you disappear, not that you didn't scumhunt at the start. The only meta I got from you was that you seemed like somebody who posted a lot and spent a lot of time scumhunting in that game. I should have looked into more recent games but what's wrong with letting me think that of you? On January 06 2012 05:50 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: Hmm, a fair point I suppose, but he had about as many people saying he was a bad lynch as he had saying he was a decent target, so I still don't know how much nervousness that would really induce. Also, an accusation from syllo is more likely to be a death-sentence than an accusation from someone like grackaroni or blazinghand, so I would think that would be more of the nervousness inducing suspicion... :-) @Grackaroni Could you please explain why you are using your previous game experience with bluelightz, where he was scum, to influence your opinion of how useful he may end up being as town in this game? Things like that along with your poorly constructed case on me certainly aren't looking very good to me so far, but I'll be checking out your previous games to see what kind of standard you should be held to when it comes to your use of logic/case building. the first part of your quote strikes me the wrong way because I get the feeling that you just wanted to downplay my abilities, you don't care if I accuse you and think my opinion should be worth less than a veteran like syllogism. You've done nothing to change my mind, the only person you call scummy is me and your reasoning is that you think my case against you is shitty + you add in my opinion of bluelightz which I don't think you would have even mentioned if I didn't accuse you. Next you make some posts about people lurking and leave. You haven't been scumhunting but you keep giving me reasons to believe that you have lots of time to do so : [previous game with lots of scumhunting and posting, early signup, post a lot on strategies at the start of the game (early to find out it started too) quick to see my post and has time to defend yourself] You're definitely holding back in your posting. | ||
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If someone beside HoD is reading this, the question I am answering is "why I thought Bluelightz play as scum would be bad for town?" I really hate the quote formating inside of the spoiler so I'm going to avoid posting long quotes from student. On December 14 2011 09:44 Bluelightz wrote: sorry just didnt feel like posting (>_<) On December 08 2011 00:05 Bluelightz wrote: PS: if i don't post much it's because I don't really have a good scumread on anyone if I do I'll post my analysis On December 14 2011 15:57 Bluelightz wrote: sorry BH, didnt notice your case till now so, ##Vote: Tunkeg BH, is there any other of his posts that make you have a scumread on him? also, after looking @ BHs case m mind is decided for this day On December 08 2011 18:57 Bluelightz wrote: ey215 is leaning scum, when he says I Am Town but then, I quote Grackaroni On December 07 2011 03:43 Grackaroni wrote: NOBODY IS A CONFIRMED TOWNIE He openly showed no issue with lurking He openly sheep's other people Further when he posts his own cases they always end up being null. sometimes he took completely random parts of our posts out and used them for the main basis of his read. Maybe he did most of these things purely because he was scum but I think he could at least realize that his play wasn't resembling pro-town play Anyways if you really want to I could go over everyone one of his posts from the last game and tell you what bugged me about them. But the point is that I should not have based his entire play off of only one game from him as scum, and I shouldn't have brought my annoyance with his last game's performance into this game either. Now I get to focus on the game that is actually being played instead of going over this old one. As for Palmar I don't think the meta can conclude that he is scum and he seems much more willing to contribute than errandor. palmar could be our best scumhunter and I don't think a day1 meta read should be enough to risk killing one of our best players Besides people are downplaying his scum play so somebody explain to me why people keep saying that it will be scary if Palmar is scum? On January 07 2012 08:26 Palmar wrote: people on my wagon need to take a long hard look at their play. sheeping activity meta is fucking terrible. when i flip theres no excuse. no "well he played scummy". the only reason youre voting me is youre terrible and cant think. because none of you have anything. I'm going to assume that your issue is the sheeping and not that the case is built off of meta because you are voting for Errandor because of activity meta while criticizing other people for doing the same thing to you. | ||
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An Errandor lynch is much better than Palmar : more likely to flip scum and less chance of losing one of town's greatest assets. ##Vote: Errandor | ||
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In fact Wiggles' case has been extremely helpful because it was what prompted Palmar to get into this game, even if it was originally just so he could call wiggles bad. On January 07 2012 06:09 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I'm going out to eat in about 5 minutes. When I get back, I'll read through all their filters and give you my thoughts. The thing about lynching Palmar though, is that not many people here are going to be willing to lynch him later in the game. A lot of these newer players seem very reticent to lynch him, and I'm not sure why. They're coming up with excuses for his bad play, and trying to come up with flimsy excuses to not lynch Palmar. If I die, you die, or Jackal dies, not many people here would be willing to actually push a lynch on Palmar. They'll probably just sheep him to the victory of whatever scum faction he belongs to. Anyways, I'll be back later. This I don't really agree with, I would be perfectly fine with lynching Palmar later in the game I just don't think lynching a veteran with strong town play based off of meta is a good idea. people seem to feel that his scum play is really weak so why not give him a chance, give him another day to catch some scum or to build a case based less on meta that he is normally more active and aggressive as town. The bottom line is that I think Wiggles is sincerely convinced that Palmar is scummy and that this is not a scum ploy. Wiggles play looks pro town to me. But as for Jackal he seems less convinced that Palmar is actually scum, it looks more like he just dislikes him. On January 06 2012 22:35 Jackal58 wrote: Almost all of my day 1 posts attack Palmar. It's a habit. Not necessarily a bad one either. Why do you always attack Palmar? He is not the best vote for today. | ||
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On January 07 2012 10:05 Zephirdd wrote: -> This is wrong too. You don't lynch a player because of "scum flipping chance" or "chance of losing one of town's greatest assets". If Palmar is scum, he must be lynched. Granted, Erandorr case is actually okay on my eyes. I just don't like the comparison. Why wouldn't I? If I think a player is more likely to flip to be scum than the player leading the votes I am going to help sway people in the right direction. I don't think Palmar is scum, yes he has acted not very aggressively which goes against his town meta but I don't believe he is scum hence the less likely to flip scum than Erandorr. As for the asset thing, the game I played with him he correctly identified the entire scum team on day1, in a game where he seemed uninterested in posting and lurked at the start. maybe his play was different for pretending to be a smurf? Palmar getting lynched day1 off of a case I don't agree with would be worse for town than a player such as you or I getting lynched. | ||
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On January 08 2012 01:06 Tyrran wrote: Okay, so you list all my post, and then do not even try to make a case. Quoting all my post commenting them with a single word is not a case. People that know how to click on my filter button did not learn anything by looking at your "case" against me. Even if BL's case isn't good you need to answer syllo's question. Why do you agree with the Palmar case but criticize jackal for being agressive towards Palmar when there is "no real case behind it." Also the Erandorr case is based off of him having a meta for lurking as scum. | ||
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I think it's scummy how defensive he is became after some pressure from syllo at the start and the fact that he has not given us leads or really defended himself but instead tries to accuse people attacking him as scum. On January 07 2012 11:00 risk.nuke wrote: Slowly and steadily I'm beeing raised to the top, scumagenda *cough* This quote just gracks me up because he said it during a time when he only had 2 votes on him. I'd like to give him at least a few more hours before hammering to give him a chance to come back into the thread and give us his ideas while he still can. | ||
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Erandorr/risk.nuke both look scummy to me so either lynch is fine. | ||
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##Vote: risk.nuke | ||
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On January 08 2012 08:45 syllogism wrote: I haven't been pushing the meta case against Erandorr, but he really wouldn't play like this as town. He even signed up for TL mafia L so he isn't burned out or busy; he just loathes playing as scum. In election mafia he hydraed with curu and refused to post at all due to rolling scum. Yesterday he lied about being sleepy, while I know he had been and still was playing dota 2 and kept playing for at least an hour after making the post (I went to sleep by that point). Such pure meta cases are annoying to push and I thought the case against risk was better in terms of it actually constituting as "playing mafia". But erandorr really can't be town and we have 42 minutes | ||
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FFS, they are probably both going to flip scum, we just need to avoid a no-lynch. Right I think you guys just want to be the person able to brag about finding scum. | ||
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On January 08 2012 09:43 Refallen wrote: Risk if you're some kind of role you should claim, just pointing ouy Don't you even look at the setup? Don't give angel of acolyte a free kill | ||
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On January 08 2012 09:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Stupid bot never PMed me back, I sent like 2-3 votes. did you put purgatory as the subject? | ||
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On January 08 2012 09:57 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: For some reason, I am not thinking right now. I knew that lol, until today all I have been doing is reading and analyzing the set up and trying to figure out how valid some plan I have is. is it anything like risk's plan? | ||
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It's bad when 1 scum player claims chaneller, It's bad if scum players just claim VT. Just stick to analysis, Zona put in roles to prevent mass roleclaims from being a good strategy. | ||
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Also I'm going to assume that Palmar was the person that put you in purgatory HoD. It just makes more sense for the Channeler to protect syllo. | ||
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It's not the fact that he has been fairly inactive and "hustling" like erandorr but that he's been actively using his time to push a plan that is bad for town and defending his plan rather than scumhunting. Since he is already coming kind of close to the lynch (would be 5/9) I'm going to refrain from voting until he comes in to defend himself. | ||
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RoL seems to truly believe that the voting block and confirmed townies would be more helpful than the blues themselves and seems to have spent a lot of time considering the implications of the mass roleclaim. I get the feeling that he legitimately believes his plan is good for town, and he stands by it even after the town declared it anti-town. The largest flaw in the plan is not the theory itself but the actual application. If only a portion of the town comes in to claim the whole plan falls apart, letting a portion of townies make claims is bad. Besides it's possible that we have a couple derp townies who would lie about their roles in order to save themselves or draw hits. risk.nuke mentioned a plan that consisted of sitting back and observing posts and got pissed off at Syllo for ruining it. I think he has been overreacting to accusations. He also is using meta on other people yet when it's used against himself meta is worthless. The only thing I agree with is that Palmar's flip does make me think that you are less likely to be a demon, still though if you were an Angel of course you're going to ask to be checked in order to prolong your life. With 20 hours to go we need to start consolidating our votes. I think risk.nuke is more likely scum than RoL but either one is preferable to a no-lynch. ##Vote: risk.nuke | ||
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On January 12 2012 00:37 syllogism wrote: Harbingerofdoom posted this day 1 This sounds as if you knew he was going to flip town. I suppose the problem with that is that he could still have flipped the other scum team. Grackaroni you have basically stopped playing. Another player who clearly does not care about the game at all. It's not that I've stopped caring about the game. Some days I'm just busier than others. Obviously I've got some time right now so I'm going to catch up on the thread and find some scum. | ||
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On January 07 2012 21:50 Tyrran wrote: People are basically trying to Meta me based on the single game I played before, which is a bit silly, but apparently that's the main scumhunt method on day 1. I agree that i'm not as aggressive as i could be, but i'm also less active due to more IRL stuff. As for who i would lynch now, the three target i have in mind are Errandor , for lurking and being useless , Jackal 58 for being overly agressive on pamar with no real case behind it, and Palmar because i found your case solid. Of course, you are going to ask me to pick one, and as i said before, i'm not aware of the meta enough to lynch someone based on meta alone. That's why i'm not going to vote on jackal and palmar and vote for Errandor instead. HIs filter is full of uselss post where he isnt even trying to help town, jsut saying random stuff not even related to the game ( BH being WBG smurf...). Therefore, ##Vote : Errandor Of course there's the obvious contradiction between Palmar having a solid case against him and Jackal being scummy for voting without a case. This is pretty weak justification for a vote. If you ignore the meta all you can really tell from erandorr is that he is inactive and does not want to be modkilled thus he should be a null read as opposed to you liking the Palmar case which seems more like you think he is scum yet chose to vote a null read instead. (yes I think BH's reasoning was weak too, it's the meta that made erandorr look scummy, not the "hustling".) You never actually explained the contradiction between Jackal/Palmar. It doesn't help either that we ended the day early so he never got the chance to put down a 2nd vote but it looks like it would have been on risk.nuke. On January 10 2012 18:55 Tyrran wrote: So yes, he is scummy and makes a valid lynch target. The first post you mention is strange and doesnt seem to come from a VT. The second however is null for me, it can comes both from scum or town. I think that he should realize that the only way you can defend yourself against META argument is to start making pro-town contributions. He hasnt started yet.I would like to make full use of the time allowed for day 2, but should no better lynch target occur by tomorrow, and should he not start contributing more, i'm okay with lynching him. @Syllo : All your cases so far have been based on Meta. But what do you think of Jackal, Dirkzor and Cwave ? Are they scummy to you ? I would also like to see RoL defend himself against BH caze, and Dirkzor defend himself against Layabout case. @Cwave : I agree that i have contributed less than I should as town. I'm not going to go frontal with syllo/HoD because they call me scummy. The only way I can defend myself now is by making more pro-town contribution. That is what i intend to do. Despite the first quote Tyrran seems townish to me. He had a pretty good justification for voting risk.nuke (as long as he was going to) He has been doing some scumhunting and his thoughts on RoL's plan seem completely reasonable. I wish there was more posts I could judge from but the only post that looks questionable to me is the first one I quoted. I don't think he is scum or the best lynch for tomorrow. Checking Spaackle next. | ||
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On January 12 2012 12:05 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: @Grackaroni, Spaackle, Cwave I would like to hear a couple scum reads from each of you, along with brief explanations. @Jackal Zbot can count votes from a thread, not sure why Zona chose to use PM's for voting for this game (maybe because of the corrupted town deal?), but so be it. That thing is still fucking cool. I think that RoL is scummy, and I've already explained a bit on him earlier. He is putting a lot of time into the game but not in scumhunting but instead in making an anti-town plan. Spaackle is also probably scum. On January 08 2012 11:30 Spaackle wrote: Palmar:Filter (clicky) 1) Get Information -- Palmar has been pretty active in this goal. He's been putting forth a lots of questions (even if no one answers them). He also pressured Bluelightz for a good while, trying to get an actual response out of him. He's also been putting lots of pressure on Wiggles, but this was mostly in response to Wiggles' accusation of him. I'd like to see a bit more justification out of him though. 2) Create an Atmosphere -- Palmar has been acting pretty town here too. He's been answering questions, and in turn posing many more. His posting hasn't been very reactionary, and for the most part, he's been trying to keep the town discussing relevant subjects. 3) Figure out Plans -- As I said in the risk.nuke analysis, there's hasn't been much of this in this game. Palmar is one of the closest to actually doing this. He's been trying to keep discussion relevant, and I guess this eventually leads to plans. Palmar is looking like a townie to me, but don't stop watching him. His way of coming to the conclusion that Palmar is town looks suspect to me. He says he hasn't been very reactionary but Palmar only showed up when a case was made against him by Wiggles. His pressure on bluelightz was just a way of pretending to be participating. I just don't know how you could confidently jump to the conclusion that Palmar is town from the information he was giving. He also shows a lot of wishy-washyness during the RoL lynch. And of course he is lurking. | ||
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Imagine he is scum this game. Do you think that he would act like this as town as well or is his scum play just worse than his not yet seen town play. | ||
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On January 13 2012 09:15 Spaackle wrote: @ BH: yes. Whoa, what I gathered from your filter was that you were no longer sure that RoL was scum and had a null read on him when you removed your vote. | ||
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On January 13 2012 09:17 Blazinghand wrote: YESSS see! I'm a fucking G All I do is fuck bitches get money and reveal Spaackles contraditictions all day oonts ootns oonts oonts It shouldn't be all that hard really. He's done nothing but flip-flop on RoL. Scum buddies?? | ||
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On January 13 2012 09:22 syllogism wrote: So what happened to all your free time on Wednesday? I'm sure I know the reason but I'm curious about the answer If you didn't notice I spent a while trying to figure out if tyrran was actually scum, 2 hours. (I did some things in between as well) some free time doesn't mean that I will be spending the entire day playing this game. | ||
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RoL has gone long enough delaying scumhunting, I think he's scum. ##Vote: RebirthofLegend | ||
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nevermind. It said it was dusk earlier in the zbots vote count area (instead of night/day), it must just take a little time to setup. | ||
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On January 08 2012 08:56 Palmar wrote: Erandorr has done nothing this game that warrants me giving him the "I'll rather no-lynch than lynch a townie" treatment, however, despite risk's last effort, do you not think he overreacted to you calling him out? Claiming that plan that literally was nothing but "I'm gonna post and see what people say", do you think he is honestly under the impression that this "plan" was so pro-town and vital, that it justifies attacking someone? I actually thought risk.nuke was decent at the game. But to answer your question, I'll be around for another half an hour or so, and there is no reason to protect erandorr. On January 08 2012 09:02 Blazinghand wrote: No this is wrong Erandorr has actively come to the thread and hustled us. Why on earth are his actions remotely acceptable There have been times in this game where BH has blatantly not read the thread or is misinterpreting posts. He likes to focus in on people who he feels are useless such as his case for Bluelightz (which only showed that he was anti-town) his case on erandorr (he ignores the meta which only proves that he is inactive and doesn't want to be modkilled) and finally his case on RoL (he's not scumhunting, his plan looks shitty) You are not actually scumhunting, you just lock in on people acting anti-town and tunnel them for the rest of the day to make yourself look good. you grab all their quotes and make a "case" but in reality it actually resembles what bluelightz' cases look like. Your play is legitimately worse than in Student. I am still suspicious of how long it took RoL to start scumhunting but at least he finally started. @BH: why not look into a player more active rather than only focusing on players doing nothing? there's 5 scum to catch. | ||
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On January 14 2012 00:27 Bluelightz wrote: Hmm, why? If you want to make a case on me you could at least read my filter... | ||
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*post a bunch of BL random useless posts* B-Dawg is hustling let's lynch. you're not actually looking for scum you simply find somebody who is bad or inactive and prove why they are bad or inactive and tunnel them. | ||
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He used Ver's guide as the basis for concluding that Palmar is town during a time when Palmar doesn't look particularly townish. | ||
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We are basing a lynch purely off of the fact that he was sent to purgatory with no kill and he hasn't done much scumhunting. the odds aren't even 90% you said it yourself layabout about wiggles Syllogism is also a good player so he could still have been targeted no? How much better would an angel lynch be over a demon lynch right now, because I am pretty confident that Spaackle is a demon and RoL could be either. | ||
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On January 14 2012 09:54 syllogism wrote: Oh so only basing lynch on the fact he has done no scum hunting, been only defending himself, made a bunch of really strange posts from town perspective (like the one about palmar thinking that he was blue) and there was no kill on the night he was jailed. He never really suspected me despite knowing his own alignment, because he didn't want the focus to be on the fact that one of the jailed players is AoD. Oh, so now you're talking to me? I'll lynch HoD. Maybe tomorrow you can put in the effort to actually look into Spaackle rather than ignoring my question and saying you don't give a shit about his allignment... | ||
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##Vote: HarbingerOfDoom he has a good chance of being the AoD and nobody wants to vote the people I think are likely to be scum. | ||
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@Layabout: would those BL posts go into the Layabout horseshit w/e? | ||
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@Refallen: my vote is the 4th one there. double check before posting. The idea itself is good though, I would be happy to lynch RoL or spaackle and to banish HoD to purgatory. | ||
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RoL has ONLY focused on BH, plus he has been too busy to scumhunt for the first 2 days but wasn't too busy to come up with a plan that was anti-town. ##Vote: RebirthOfLegend | ||
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If all scum players simply claim VT then you get a trade off of having a confirmed voting block of 4 blue roles in exchange for them risking being shot or roleblocked which basically gets rid of their roles. The execution was also very bad. The chance of a townie in this game lying to protect themselves or take a shot seems pretty likely to me. All you're plan did was waste people's time and cause a couple of people to claim VT, which is bad for town. You''re not helping by tunneling on BH, if you're extremely confident that he is scum than you can continue to push him but it doesn't mean that you should ignore everyone else. Surely there are other people in this game acting scummy besides BH, but you haven't bothered to push them. | ||
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If HoD is sent to purgatory and there's no death then it's worth it to lynch HoD. All angels could possibly gain from holding back a lynch is one mislynch on HoD as opposed to the kill of their choice. Just way more likely that he is AoD and of course an Angel wouldn't shoot him. if there is no purgatory then Wiggles was the Channeler not RoL. Meaning lt is much more likely that HoD is the real sage because it is such a risk to claim sage if the sage is alive. Not only do you get pressured by the sage but then he has to choose somebody that he is likely to check (Me) and say that he's not a demon. If I am a demon then suddenly me and my scumbuddies know that he is an angel and push for his lynch. To put it simply claiming sage without the real sage being dead would cause even more people to make cases on him and wouldn't help him. @Tyrran What did you think of RoL as a lynch? Earlier you didn't believe he was scum and pushed for HoD instead but after the lynch you came into the game with a theory that there will be no RB because RoL was probably an angel who claimed Wiggle's role. | ||
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@HoD : Why did you choose to check Layabout? What led you believe he was a demon? | ||
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On January 16 2012 23:41 Refallen wrote: HoD claimed Seer**** the demon DT. Angel DT hasn't claimed yet, I think he should claim now if he's still alive. If he's not, that means syllo was the angel DT, which means time to look for his posts for breadcrumbs (again) If syllo was the seer you're wasting your time. He was roleblocked both nights, there would be no breadcrumbs to find. We want to lynch an Angel today, deal with the demons at night. I trust that HoD is the sage, and I don't like the fact that Layabout was twisted. I think there is pretty good chance that he is a demon. For the night actions tomorrow HoD needs to cleanse BH, and I feel that DH should shoot layabout. Demons can't twist both of them. | ||
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Is anyone counter-claiming HoD? No. frankly there's no reason not to counter claim if you are the sage and HoD is not, you're role is worth lynching the AoD ( roleblocked no AoD kill) to reveal and you would already have 3 reads. Was wiggles likely to be the Sage? No. there was no purgatory last night so the channeler is dead and RoL was scummy, he made a plan that was anti-town, he lurked all game, did no scumhunting besides tunneling BH and claimed VT earlier in the thread. RoL was not the real channeler so by the process of elimination we can assume that Wiggles was. The way I see it you are pushing for a lynch on the person that could do the most damage to demons, you were protecting Palmar earlier in the game, and the twist doesn't help yourself either (why would they want to twist you?) Unless somebody else claims sage there is no reason to lynch HoD and you should stop tunneling on him and push a candidate more likely to flip scum. @BH: I would be interested in hearing your non-dark read. | ||
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That way we know for sure whether we need to lynch HoD or not. A mislynch is BAD for your team today, give us the information and we can avoid it. Communicating with the demons via corrupted townies is allowed right? | ||
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I don't see Layabout flipping Angel. Bluelightz would be a much preferable lynch over layabout. | ||
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On January 18 2012 03:55 Zephirdd wrote: oh btw I couldn't find Angel on Refallen, nor scum or whatsoever On January 18 2012 05:32 Zephirdd wrote: what the fuck and what about all your bullshit about HoD being scum? The only thing that stands out for me about refallen is that he is so certain about statement(ie syllo is VT). Can someone point something for me about Ref, even if its the link to a case on him? On January 18 2012 05:44 Zephirdd wrote: At this point, I don't think we can hammer. Out of 8 possible voters(Bluelightz votes Jackal and is asleep, the target obv won't vote himself), two or three are Angels. If our target is an Angel, We have 5-6 anti-angel votes. Should ONE player decide "I don't want to lynch him", we can't lynch. I'll leave my vote on Refallen. from what I see the only reason you are voting refallen is because other people are and you don't want a no-lynch. A mislynch is WORSE than a no-lynch. What has changed you're mind from before? I may be jumping to assumptions, layabout is defending bluelightz, if he is in fact a demon (which I think he is) then bluelightz could be his scumbuddy. You can't compare HoD's reads with BL because HoD makes some definitive statements and uses some reasoning. BL just posts a bunch of leaning towns and a couple town/scum whatever the fuck that means. He will never be held accountable for anything because he never gives an opinion. "Bluelightz what happened to you're scum read on Grackaroni? "Meh I didn't know what he was, town/scum." I was going to give HoD some shit for voting for somebody "he had a bad feeling about" He has tried to push the lynch onto Dirkzor/Jackal though. | ||
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On January 14 2012 17:24 Refallen wrote: I'm voting for RoL bar some last-minute role-claim, no worries. Don't like this. Almost as if he knew that RoL was going to role claim so that he could move his vote off of him as soon as he claims. On January 15 2012 06:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I am working and just turned my laptop on in the back. It's pathetic that it even came to this, I have no idea how you managed to scrounge up 5 votes on me, but the fact now is they need one more vote before demons can force hammer me with the corrupted. So now I have to claim, I am the Channeler. I need to finish closing now, but I will be back before the deadline. I will prove myself by claiming my action before the next day post. On January 17 2012 10:31 Refallen wrote: We need to decide on a lynxh target. I do not mind lynching either dirkzor/Tyrran/layabout here Why do you want to lynch somebody likely to be a demon today? On January 17 2012 22:58 Refallen wrote: Sorry, trying to get me lynched is probably a more accurate term. Anyhow, I'll be going to bed soon. I'll wake up earlier (3 hours or so before deadline hopefully) so hopefully by that time we have a clear lynch on Dirkzor/Bluelightz/Tyrran where I can just hammer. Peace. Why not really push for those lynches? On January 18 2012 07:58 Refallen wrote: I'm back and I'm not demon or angel. Lynching me will lose us the game... How did there suddenly form a wagon on me? I am very fine with lynching bluelivhtz and to me it seems increasingly clear that he's an angel. This is honestly not how you want to avoid a lynch, everyone will say "hey I'm town!" You need to help convince people that their is somebody scummier than you. If you are town you are letting us down right now. I think Refallen has a decent chance of flipping Angel but personally I would prefer Bluelightz/tyrran. Of course if we can't gain a majority then I will lynch refallen, he has done nothing that makes me believe he is town and he was open to lynching Palmar so probably not a demon either. I want to go to dinner but I will be back soon. | ||
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You will speed up the game right? Not 3 day night... | ||
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On January 19 2012 23:01 Dirkzor wrote: Grack is the last angel. After RoL mentioned his plan Grack didn't post until 9 hours later: This was after atleast 6 other had already said it was a bad plan. His reasons for rejecting the plan also seems rather weird. The time between RoL plan and his post are the time Grack normally post si believe he was actively lurking to see how town recieved the plan. Note that Jackal never once mentioned the plan. After RoL was lynched ???: Grack have stated several times that he think RoL is scummy but each time he have pushed someone else in an attempt to move focus to another: Note the short timespan between the posts And Grack last posts basicly saids: I don't give a shit, I've lost already. Actually it's more of, "I don't give a shit, I've already won." I'll try to figure out which one of you/bluelightz is an angel but as long as you both get lynched/shot then we win. GG. Other than that you took a bunch of posts from me attacking RoL and turned it into a theory of me bussing him. I did think RoL was scum that's why I voted for him... | ||
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Acolyte is pretty clearly RoL. Angels had the chance to shoot HoD/BH/Refallen and there was no deaths. Killing people is much better for angels than hiding the fact that their acolyte is alive. | ||
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I've already looked at BL a fair deal so I'm going to examine Zephirdd's filter and look for scumslips and see how he interacted with RoL and Jackal. We do need to hear from HoD on whether Bluelightz has actually been cleansed or not. @town : Please wait before pulling out your pitchforks and lynching me... We've been given 48 hours for a reason, spend some time and actually analyze rather than sheeping Blazinghand's nonsense. | ||
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It's wonderful that he is giving us a 50/50 chance of catching him outright, but to confirm him in your mind based off a 50/50 chance is outright foolish. Stop and look at why you are voting. | ||
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For all I know maybe you discussed bussing with Jackal and knew that you would look more townish by voting quickly rather than looking into his filter. Blazinghand wanted you to analyze, be a good sheep and follow his wishes. | ||
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On January 21 2012 10:38 Bluelightz wrote: Well, I know I "Guessed" Correctly So, cmon sir AoD(I think :p) you know your getting lynched 1/2 of those statements are true. Care to guess which one it is? | ||
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Oh maybe you were quoting soembody else. You didn't make it very clear. | ||
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On January 09 2012 09:13 Grackaroni wrote: It looks like there's a lot of holes in this plan. It's bad when 1 scum player claims chaneller, It's bad if scum players just claim VT. Just stick to analysis, Zona put in roles to prevent mass roleclaims from being a good strategy. first mention of RoL's plan What the fuck are you talking about zephirdd? Stop pushing mislynches and read the thread. | ||
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After I get lynched people are just going to say "well... he was the last person to vote for Jackal anyways... not our fault." This brings us no closer to finding scum and puts us at lylo. Think for a while before throwing down votes, actually look at Zephirdd and Bluelightz really carefully. | ||
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On January 21 2012 11:00 Bluelightz wrote: If I guessed correctly(100% Sure) I'm town. So you're guessing now? | ||
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On January 21 2012 11:03 Zephirdd wrote: badness? Lol that was amazingly wonderful. For me and our scum team that is. Why don't you look really carefully into us instead of wasting your time posting this? Be a good sheep and follow BH's advice: Because I'm stuck here defending myself from getting lynched by you because you have already made up your mind 1 hour into a 48 hour day. | ||
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you're defense of Bluelightz is pure WIFOM. a 50/50 chance at becoming "confirmed" town with Bluelightz' town reputation seems like a good deal to me. | ||
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What reaction are you taking into consideration? Did you expect him to say "I was cleansed" and then HoD goes "no you weren't" and him to respond "oops, I mean i was NOT cleansed, my bad"? There's not much to consider, it's a 50/50 chance that makes YOU think that he is confirmed town. | ||
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you are simply telling HoD that you have been cleansed. Not guessing that you have been cleansed. | ||
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On January 21 2012 11:26 Zephirdd wrote: Grack, do you know how guesses work on Mafia? You guess based on what you have seen. You know why? Because this isn't Math. You don't have a list of things that certainly make one something or another. Maybe there even is, but it is certainly not complete nor accurate. So you look at what happened so far, and guess - take conclusions - from there. I guessed about Spaackle. I guessed right about layabout. That's how it works. The way you put it earlier was that Bluelightz couldn't be scum because of HoD's test. it was a bad reason to rule out scum and you justified it with the test not being 50/50 because you can see his reactions as well. his reactions are that he is confident in his guess. I am sorry but I have to go. If I get lynched get BL next, but don't lynch before HoD gives the results. | ||
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Edit: at least in Angels, forgot there's 2 teams | ||
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http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/FuP7QYYMfy5 Really nothing in here. | ||
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Wiggles was channeler And n1 kill was at Palmar not Syllogism, those demons and their twists! (n4 was my own fault, shouldn't have attacked BH when he was really likely to be twisted) | ||
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On January 05 2012 20:21 Palmar wrote: between risk.nuke and Grackaroni, I'd much rather have a look at Grack, since I'm actually willing to wait for risk's initial contribution. I would actually have no problem with lynching people like RoL or Jackal day 1. | ||
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Layabout had an actual case against me but I was able to survive a lot longer because Syllogism chose to push risk.nuke/erandorr instead. People need to think for themselves rather than blindly following veterans, I honestly feel that if Layabout had syllogism's reputation then I would have been lynched day1. | ||
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