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Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 14 2012 22:04 GMT
#1785
ill vote aswell
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 14 2012 22:07 GMT
#1790
How could you come out of that looking like a good townies with a VT claim first and then claim Channeller afterwards? Makes no sense to me. Easier just to not claim until you get a feel for how the town react to the plan
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 14 2012 22:09 GMT
#1796
How anti climatic... But yeah doesn't really matter. Also we agree that HoD goes to purgatory i assume?
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 15 2012 17:55 GMT
#1832
Well if we don't get any banish tonight we know that either Wiggles or RoL was channeler - and I'm leaning Wiggles.

If we get a banish, we know RoL lied and can with almost certainty say that RoL was scum. Then if HoD gets banished and we get no ??? Kill we kill HoD.

If we don't get any banish we can still lynch HoD, but that might not be the best way depending on what else happens...
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 15 2012 21:41 GMT
#1851
I'm wondering why Demons decided to Conceal this lynch.
If we assume that they didn't have the time ti change from a conceal to a non-conceal due to the fast hammering of RoL they wanted to hide HoD alligment. Why? Demons don't know if he is the Sage or not, only the angels know, unless HoD are a demon. Or they might just have done it to make even more chaos in this god forsaken town.

Demons don't want the town in even more chaos then it is since they already lost 1 demon and angel can only die with lynches. So it must have been something they wanted to hide about HoD.

To conceal RoL's lynch just doesn't make sense since he claimed channeler so we would know if his claim was correct at some point.

Im just confused... and this is all just WIFOM.. (Using that buzz word correct?)
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 15 2012 21:53 GMT
#1854
On January 16 2012 06:25 layabout wrote:
The only other person to vote tyrran was Dirkzor, i wonder why... (it was his argument you were using)


Is that a round about way of calling me scum for voting the person i found the most scum while in the same post saying I would hammer the current target before deadline if needed?

On January 16 2012 06:46 layabout wrote:
Thanks for helping to keep discussion alive Dirkzor!


Sarcasm?
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 15 2012 22:02 GMT
#1857
Okay then I'll try another topic if you want something to discuss.

Why have no one really pushed the thought that Jackal is horrible this game? I did not want to bring it up since he is tunneling me, but he have done jack shit this game. Why aren't anyone pushing him? Why isn't Syllo after him?

I'm really curious who dies this night as I think it will make things clear for me. As of right now I think we are looking all the wrong places...
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 15 2012 22:13 GMT
#1859
Lay I read your case. But I'm not convinced until I see the day post. There is just so much info to be had that I think speculating about HoD allignment before day post is silly.

Will he be banished? If yes, is there a ?? kill. If no, is anyone else? Is no one?

If there is a ?? kill who died? And who did our DH hit?

Until those question have been answered I won't know who i want to lynch.


I will read your case again and comment on it.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 15 2012 22:39 GMT
#1861
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 03:55 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Some things to think about:
If the town seer claims after finding a single angel we have a 2/3 chance of reducing their kp, 2/3 chance of making it much safer to claim corruption, and a 100% chance of getting a lot of good information after the angel flips. There are no abilities in the game which make the reads come back incorrect. The angels also DO NOT have a roleblocking ability, so they then have to decide if they want to target the seer and risk missing a kp if the seer is sent to purgatory or leave him be. Obviously this becomes much riskier if we have already lost our channeler. I'd be interested to hear if other people think having the seer claim after their first angel find is a good idea as well.

The sage on the other hand probably shouldn't claim unless he has 2 demons identified. If he claims with only one identified, 0% chance of reducing kp or reducing the corruption ability, demons have a roleblock ability, angels can kill the sage to make demons a larger threat to town thereby reducing focus on them. Still gain information obviously, but overall seems like a much weaker play than the seer claiming after finding an angel.

The demon hunter is not only useful against demons. His attacks kill anything that isn't an angel....meaning if his target lives and wasn't sent to purgatory, he has successfully identified an angel. However, since he poses a significant threat to both angels and demons, I don't really see much of a reason for the demon hunter to ever claim, except perhaps to avoid a lynch if he fucks up and appears scummy. So please don't do that.

On Bluelightz:
I will go check out his filter in the newbie game to see what all the fuss is about.

On his 12th post he promises to read BL's filter.Everything else before this has been roles and setup-based speculation.
This kind of posting is really safe to make at the start of the game as he doesn't need to make a stance on anything.
Note the Bolded part.
Note that HoD claimed that Grackaroni was "not demon" when he claimed.
Not only is this a contradiction, but this time he didn't add a condition whereby what he is saying doesn't apply as he did in his first post.


I dont think i understand what you mean here. Care to explain what you meant by that?

The problem with such a long case as you just wrote is that the important stuff gets drowned in minor issues that may or may not be scum behavior.

The most important point you made was in the beginning of day 2 analysis:
Show nested quote +

On January 08 2012 13:44 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Hmm, should have stayed on Tyrran I guess. Ah well, based on his effort so far in this game/in election mafia, nothing of value was lost (at least not beyond the worth of another warm body).

I'm still interested in Tyrran as a lynch target, and I would like to hear more people's opinions of him.

He starts out by saying he still think's Tyrran is a good lynch and wants other people to contribute their thoughts. He does not commit to saying why or making a strong case.
If you are town and you think a player should be lynched, is this how you would approach it?
Asking other people to offer opinions and then give yours?
What if you think they are really scummy and have reasons?
Wouldn't you provide them and give people a reason to focus on that player?
However if you are mafia then saying you find a player scummy but not saying why makes a lot of sense:
If people start to indicate that they also feel the player is scum you can hide amongst them and seem like a townie voting for a player they think is scum.
It allows you to claim that you started the case or that you had been pressuring the player should player question what you have been doing.
It allows you to back off and not bring it up again should you widh because you haven't committed any arguments as to why you think that.


He have pointed towards tyrran all game with no real case beside restating what i wrote in my case against tyrran (which is still stand by). He have been trying to push a tyrran wagon by constantly asking about him or stating that he finds him scummy.

"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 15 2012 22:47 GMT
#1862
For funzies i just counted Jackals postings about me. They are at 15, most of which he calls me scum and a few where he just want others to read my filter or something...

"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 15 2012 22:56 GMT
#1863
On January 16 2012 07:30 Tyrran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 06:02 Zephirdd wrote:
On January 16 2012 05:16 syllogism wrote:
If you are town, you should examine the wagon on you before you claimed and what people were saying. Actually I'm now reading it a bit and this is somewhat changing my view on things

OH ARE YOU?

Wanna know what happens when the DH shots someone and HoD was jailed? We lost a DT check for nothing because you made excuses for reasons for HoD's claim to be false. Demons will try to create a case over HoD as he is the one town they fear, and Angels will try to protect him because he is useful and any lynch that is not an Angel is excellent for them because that's the only way to kill Angels.

And ta-daa, you got the Angel connection you needed from me. But hey that doesn't matters, because tonight you will get your "Not Angel" read, syllo-seer, but that probably doesn't matter as well because if Angels have half a brain they realized you are the Seer last night from your "I DUN WANNA DIE" thing. BAM Acolyte on you, AoD on someone else, DH on Spaackle(hopefully) and suddenly Angels won the game because town will look at this and lynch me and HoD.

I swear I wish I was Angel, because this game is so fucking easy for them right now. I don't even wanna begin on the fact that many of your actions also make sense if you were a Demon, even though I can't see you as Demon after the Palmar shit.


I still find it hard to understand why can't you believe that Palmar jailed HoD night 1, the Channeler jailed you night 1 and the Angels targetted you night 1. Or even that Palmar and Angels both targetted you and for some godforsaken reason the Channeler jailed HoD. These are already two cases that explain the night actions that I pointed out earlier but people seemed fine to ignore.


I said it a few times and I'll say it again: I SUCK at reading people. I analyze facts. Fact is that Spaackle was one of the only connections with the goddamn flipped scum this game. Fact is that you forced things to look like HoD was a goddamn Angel even when he claimed the ONE role he couldn't as an Angel: IF he said a Demon was actually green, the Demons would push him to death because they would know he was an Angel, and we probably wouldn't even realize that. He had a fucking breadcrumb for his target against what others thought yet you still believed that he was an Angel.

AGH hopefully I can turn this shit around after the night actions. The corrupted town hopefully will check me and see my innocence, and as I'm pretty sure he is seen as town right now, I'm sure he'll be able to convince people. I have my guess as to who the CTown is, but if I told you right now then that would make AoD's job that much easier, right?

Good day.


And why do you think angel would have sot syllo day one ? Syllo was pushing for three non angel lynch. He had identified no angel at the time. He was basically working for the angels! Why would they shoot him ? to generate WIFOM ? That doesnt make much sense to me.

Concerning HoD, I agree I'm puzzled at his Sage Claim. I agree that he played very strangely (not to say scummy) this game, but i dont want to completely ignore his claim. I'm waiting for the nigth actions to resolve.


I don't think a scenario where Syllo was hit by AoD day 1 is super unlikely. Even though he was wrong on angel reads day 1 does not mean that the angels didn't fear him.

So AoD on syllo night 1 and then on wiggles night 2. That would mean they shot 2 veterans the first 2 nights. They didn't shoot Syllo night 2 as they were not sure if he was going to purgatory night 2 again (which he was) so they targeted the other vet they feared.

I'm NOT saying this is what happened. I'm just saying that i think it was a possibility. Just as its a possiblity that HoD is the AoD and thats why that we had no kill night 1 and a kill night 2.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 10:25 GMT
#1911
Jackal might very well be the last demon.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 10:30 GMT
#1920
On January 16 2012 19:29 Refallen wrote:
Acolyte can't kill sage


Yes he can
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 10:32 GMT
#1923
On January 16 2012 19:30 Blazinghand wrote:
ok no wait, I got it-- syllo was killed because they thought he was the seer, right? why not invert it and have the acolyte kill syllo and the AoD kill HoD?


Either because HoD is not a sage, and the angels know.

Or because the acolyte is dead (RoL?) and they can't
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 10:33 GMT
#1927
On January 16 2012 19:32 Refallen wrote:
Show nested quote +
Every night, you may target a player to stalk. When you do so, choose one of: demon, corrupted town, or town with dark powers. If your target matches your choice, that player will be killed.


Show nested quote +
Your study of the powers of light has enabled you to sense and counter demonic power. Each night, you may target a player to illuminate. You will receive "Demon" or "Not Demon" as a result, and your target will also be cleansed of corruption. You are immune to corruption. You win with the town.]


I don't think he's town with dark powers.


Or maybe the angels are as stupid as me and thought Acolyte could kill sage. I have assumed the entire game that acolyte could kill every blue town had.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 10:35 GMT
#1930
On January 16 2012 19:28 Blazinghand wrote:
OK so last question Refallen, before we move into the fun part:

Why is HoD alive right now? Spaackle was obvious the demon hunter kill. Why didn't the acolyte kill HoD?


If we assume that the Acolyte is dead (or is stupid like me and missed) it would make more sense to kill Syllo in hopes of getting town to lynch HoD by mislynch. We would never lynch syllo...
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 10:38 GMT
#1932
What... how can it ever be 50% that RoL was acolyte?!?! He might have donw something completely different then what we are speculating here and have missed. There is 50% chance that RoL was the channeler and 50% chance that is was Wiggles.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 10:43 GMT
#1935
Without re-reading filters since last night my best scum targets would be Jackal and Tyrran. Both have played extremely passive. Tyrran have less then 2 pages of filter, which combined with his low experience, could point him as a "Scum scared of making mistakes"

Jackals have done shit all and I find it weird that he does not either push me more if he is so certain I'm scum or participate more in the discussion then he does.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 11:25 GMT
#1949
Sorry my brother called.

Don't claim who your used sense on yet. See where the day go and then if you find it beneficial later you can claim. I see no reason to give that info to everyone yet.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 11:33 GMT
#1955
Blue that post actually say that we should wait with lynching HoD and lynch RoL instead...
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
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