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Blazinghand
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The other thing this means is that town has 5 votes, angels have 2 votes, and the demons have 3 votes, including mine.
This means that the town cannot win a vote today unless we have the help of one of the scum teams. I have some nominal control over my vote until the demons mess with it, meaning that assuming they're afraid of WIFOM or something, they probably won't actually manipulate my vote since they're afraid of giving something away. Their goal is to kill an angel or the DH today and get up to 4 votes out of 8 or 7 tomorrow, controlling the town vote.
;_; i'm unclear on where to go here guys
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Blazinghand
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In the event the acolyte is alive, I just realized, the demons are probably gonna twist me tonight, so at least there's that sad silver lining.
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Blazinghand
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Actually, the demons KNOW the alignment/role of RoL since the concealer gets the result of the lynch. that means that i'm for sure living through the night-- whether or not I am twisted (and whether or not there are extra kills) will indicate whether or not the Acolyte is alive.
In fact, the fact that layabout was twisted last night (and therefore not me) makes me even more sure that the acolyte is dead.
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Blazinghand
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[b]Ok so if you do a little math, you'll realize that it's super important that we A) lynch an angel today and B) shoot a demon overnight. The angels might even be interested in doing it. If we fail to kill a demon or a corrupted townie before day 5, the demons will enter day 5 with 4 votes, and there will be as few as 7 players left at this point if we lynch a townie/angel, the angel stabs a townie, and the demon hunter kills a townie.
In other words, the demons could win as early as tomorrow if we do it wrong.
Alternatively, if we lynch one demon and have the demon hunter kill the other, the angels will kill a townie and we'll enter day 5 with 7 players, 2 of whom are angels, 5 of whom are town. if the acolyte is dead, it's a 1-kp single faction mafia game from that point out.
So, the real question is: Is the acolyte alive? because if the acolyte is alive, we could enter day 5 with 6 players, 2 of whom are angels, 4 of whom are town and may be vulnerable to corrupted kills or dark power kills from the acolyte.
I'm thinking the acolyte is dead because of the twisting yesterday. If the acolyte is alive, town is in serious trouble with the "let's try to get rid of the demons" plan. If the acolyte is dead, killing the AoD and puts us in a strong position, but only if the DH can shoot a demon.
Does this sound right?
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Blazinghand
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Oh and in the "ideal scenario", which is lynch an angel, demon hunter stabs a demon, we enter day 5 with:
2 corrupted townies, 1 demon, 1 angel, 3 townies
even in that scenario, we're forced to team up with the angel to try to take out the very strong demon faction.
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Blazinghand
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Suddenly this game doesn't seem so demon-disfavored after all.
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Blazinghand
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It depends what he's got, honestly. I think if he had 2 angel reads he'd have claimed already. If he has 3 "not angel" reads, it depends on how scummy they are also, doesn't it? like if we can use these to identify demons that's great. If he has 1 angel read, that's possibly "good enough" at this point-- we could lynch that angel, have the demonhunter shoot layabout and the remaining angel go for one of the remaining demons, or if that can't be worked out, kill me so we enter tomorrow with:
1 live angel (AoD or the observer with the gun that can't kill the demonhunter), 1 corrupted townie from night 4, 1 live demon, possibly the wister, and 4 live townies.
This will put us in a situation where there are 2 demon votes, 1 angel vote, 4 town votes, and 1 angel KP.
However, it will require the cooperation of the last angel and the demon hunter to "split fire" so that we kill at least one demon vote between layabout and me, keeping the twister from using it to block a shot.
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Blazinghand
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Of course all this depends on the seer not being a dead syllogism.
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Blazinghand
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The other option we have is to openly ask an angel to claim-- we lynch the angel then the remaining angel splits fire with the demon hunter between me and layabout. This can be done if Syllogism was the Seer. The angels *MAY* agree to this because if they don't, there's a high chance the demons just win. they probably won't if the acolyte is somehow alive, and just try to kill both me and layabout themselves tonight.
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Blazinghand
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On January 16 2012 21:12 Bluelightz wrote: @BH what do you think of mass roleclaiming?
It depends what roles are left in the game. We've had a couple masked flips, and I don't like the idea of some scum who saw the inside of a masked flip taking the town wherever they want, especially if the acolyte is alive. It might be more facile just to directly ask a faction for help in weakening another faction.
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Blazinghand
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On January 16 2012 21:14 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 21:12 Bluelightz wrote: @BH what do you think of mass roleclaiming? It depends what roles are left in the game. We've had a couple masked flips, and I don't like the idea of some scum who saw the inside of a masked flip taking the town wherever they want, especially if the acolyte is alive. It might be more facile just to directly ask a faction for help in weakening another faction.
On the other hand, we/someone shoudl sit down and work out how a mass roleclaim would work out with all possibilities of masked flips being X, Y, and Z, and also what possibilites there are for scum faleclaiming during this in different ways.
I doubt there's a safe way to mass roleclaim at this point.
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Blazinghand
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Am I the only one realizing how close we are to being bonerized right now?
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Blazinghand
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sorry REfallen I haven't read his filter or your case in detail. It's 5 am here so I'm going to bed. I hope there's a new flurry of posts while I'm asleep :D
alright gentlemen I think we should look for a way to lynch an angel and shoot a demon / demon vote. nobody claim unnecessarily.
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Blazinghand
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demons, I am requesting your help. read this post carefully if you want to have a chance to win this game. currently you are in control of my vote, and i cannot change that.
we need to lynch an angel and you guys have a better idea of who that is than the town does.
You guys have a set of information that I do not. 1) was layabout actually twisted? (is HoD's claim real) 2) what was RoL's flip? 3) your own identities.
Please do the following 1) if you are willing to talk about whether or not layabout was twisted, move my vote onto myself. 2) if you are willing to reveal the identify of RoL's flip, move my vote onto grackaroni then onto myself. 3) otherwise, please move my vote onto your best read for angels. If that read happens to be layabout (where my vote is currently parked), indicate that this is the case by moving my vote onto myself then back onto layabout.
4) If you would like me to introduce additional options for communication via vote movement, move my vote onto jackal then onto myself.
Thank you for your help. let's lynch an angel today.
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Blazinghand
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I know you guys will need some time to talk over it in your QT, and maybe you're not awake, but we've got like 27 hours left so let me know as soon as you can.
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Blazinghand
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OH ZEPHIR YOU'RE RIGHT. OK HERE'S THE NEW CODE DEMONS.
Please do the following 1) if you are willing to talk about whether or not layabout was twisted, move my vote onto ZEPHIRDD. 2) if you are willing to reveal the identify of RoL's flip, move my vote onto grackaroni then onto ZEPHIRDD. 3) otherwise, please move my vote onto your best read for angels. If that read happens to be layabout (where my vote is currently parked), indicate that this is the case by moving my vote onto ZEPHIRDD then back onto layabout.
4) If you would like me to introduce additional options for communication via vote movement, move my vote onto jackal then onto ZEPHIRDD.
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Blazinghand
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I'm gonna wait to see what the demons have to say about this. They need this angel lynch as much as we do.
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Blazinghand
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Final refined demon communication code:
Please do the following 1) if you are willing to talk about whether or not layabout was twisted, move my vote onto REFALLEN then ZEPHIRDD. 2) if you are willing to reveal the identify of RoL's flip, move my vote onto GRACKARONI then onto ZEPHIRDD. 3) otherwise, please move my vote onto your best read for angels. If that read happens to be LAYABOUT (where my vote is currently parked), indicate that this is the case by moving my vote onto ZEPHIRDD then back onto LAYABOUT.
4) If you would like me to introduce additional options for communication via vote movement, move my vote onto JACKAL then onto ZEPHIRDD.[/QUOTE]
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Blazinghand
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I see no problem with this code for communicating with the demons. Feel free to continue with your analysis. However, the demons know what RoL really was, and whether you were really twisted, which tells us what HoD is. They also know which scum are demons, which will increase our chance of hitting angels.
I honestly think this is not a bad idea at all.
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Blazinghand
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On January 17 2012 07:04 Blazinghand wrote: Final refined demon communication code:
Please do the following 1) if you are willing to talk about whether or not layabout was twisted, move my vote onto REFALLEN then ZEPHIRDD. 2) if you are willing to reveal the identify of RoL's flip, move my vote onto GRACKARONI then onto ZEPHIRDD. 3) otherwise, please move my vote onto your best read for angels. If that read happens to be LAYABOUT (where my vote is currently parked), indicate that this is the case by moving my vote onto ZEPHIRDD then back onto LAYABOUT.
4) If you would like me to introduce additional options for communication via vote movement, move my vote onto JACKAL then onto ZEPHIRDD.
Just in case the demon team missed it last page
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