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On December 29 2011 09:18 Blazinghand wrote:
I think the next day team should not inclide anyone from the day one team since one person from the day one team is scum I will auto nay any vote that includes members of the day one team besides myself.it has been obvious to me that ras is scum in the way he presented and argued his team. That being said none of you guys know my aligment so yhe optimal strat for anyone not sent on last night's mission is to vote nay on any team containing members from that.
Also anyone who believes VE that i am more suspicious for my post against the team "near the end of the day" is a moron or scum or both. I was pointing out the danger of a Radfield quickhammer. The day was only close to the end because some guys voted yes after my post, not due to the time limitation. Believe it or not i fingered Rad as scum and I stand by that read and my nay vote.
Wait you say this, then you shoot down my idea to not include members from the day1 team, which is essentially the exact same thing you say here?
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I will also be nay voting the team. I am not comfortable with the ways in which he arrived at his conclusions. basically he wants the strongest townreads, but gives most of them mediocre reasons at best. This would be an ok team day1, but on day 2 when you state your objective as "create a winning team" and pick a missmatch of players, that is something im not ok with.
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
On December 29 2011 23:09 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 09:18 Blazinghand wrote:
I think the next day team should not inclide anyone from the day one team since one person from the day one team is scum. I will auto nay any vote that includes members of the day one team besides myself.it has been obvious to me that ras is scum in the way he presented and argued his team. That being said none of you guys know my aligment so yhe optimal strat for anyone not sent on last night's mission is to vote nay on any team containing members from that.
Also anyone who believes VE that i am more suspicious for my post against the team "near the end of the day" is a moron or scum or both. I was pointing out the danger of a Radfield quickhammer. The day was only close to the end because some guys voted yes after my post, not due to the time limitation. Believe it or not i fingered Rad as scum and I stand by that read and my nay vote. Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 20:19 Blazinghand wrote:
Man the reason we're in this crappy D2 situation is because nobody tried to like get stuff done D1 and stuff got hammered. I'm looking at you TruthBringer mr "oh I guess I might as well blindly yay vote this sounds like a good idea, oh no wait someone called me out well, I might as well wait until the team is suggested then yay vote immediately"
I see no reason to vote anything but Nay for this team. At LEAST it's not the terrible "4 people who didn't go last night" team AND it's not the "team with both radfield and palmar", but we seriously need to do better than this. A clean team tonight is basically worth 2 points since the 3rd mission is the same size as the 2nd mission.
I'm voting Nay. You are basically blatantly contradicting yourself. A) " I will not vote for any team which includes someone from day one", B) "at least it's not the terrible suggestions that I made". An additional contradiction: You are stating over and over that I am obvious scum, yet you are refusing to vote for any team that includes Palmar. Yet if you think only 1 scum went on the mission, and you are positive it was me, you should be backing Palmar to be included in the Day 2 mission. Yet you are stating the opposite. Show nested quote + I will auto nay any vote that includes members of the day one team besides myself.it has been obvious to me that ras is scum in the way he presented and argued his team. ^Look at this quote! You state I am the obvious scum on the team, yet you will not vote for any team with Palmar. That is brutal.
In case it's not clear, when I initially said "I don't want any teams with Radfield or Palmar" I hadn't actually realized that the day 2 team was a 4-man team. My suggestion for the team composition is a suggestion for 3 people in that post. Novice mistake:
On December 30 2011 04:08 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2011 09:18 Blazinghand wrote:
I think the next day team should not inclide anyone from the day one team since one person from the day one team is scum I will auto nay any vote that includes members of the day one team besides myself.it has been obvious to me that ras is scum in the way he presented and argued his team. That being said none of you guys know my aligment so yhe optimal strat for anyone not sent on last night's mission is to vote nay on any team containing members from that.
Also anyone who believes VE that i am more suspicious for my post against the team "near the end of the day" is a moron or scum or both. I was pointing out the danger of a Radfield quickhammer. The day was only close to the end because some guys voted yes after my post, not due to the time limitation. Believe it or not i fingered Rad as scum and I stand by that read and my nay vote. Wait you say this, then you shoot down my idea to not include members from the day1 team, which is essentially the exact same thing you say here?
Once I realize the team includes 4 people, it's fairly clear that it's very difficult to have a functioning team with 4 people who all didn't go last night. So, to reiterate:
I will vote nay on a team that includes both Radfield and Palmar, since this team is guaranteed to fail.
I will vote nay on a team that includes nobody from the N1 team, since this team is BASICALLY guaranteed to fail.
I like teams with me on them, but will vote nay on them if I think they include scum.
The fact that you guys couldn't figure out how to vote Nay on Radfield's obvious scum play yesterday isn't my fault.
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
On December 30 2011 03:32 TruthBringer wrote:
If you are a truly townie leader, trust yourself, not the concensus. If you trust the concensus, you may be allowing yourself to be influenced by the spies.
Obviously each leader should provide a team that he believes is good. Also obviously there are spies. That being said if you say "hey guys what do you think" then, before everyone gets a chance to respond, slap down a team, well, don't expect to be too successful.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Blaze, what is your optimum team? What is the team you would send that does NOT include you(if you had to)?
Jackal, you need to start thinking about your team. Ideally you have your team proposed before you actually become leader so that we can keep things moving quickly.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Blaze, what do you think of Palmar?
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Team Rejected!
A team consisting of TruthBringer, Palmar, Zona and VisceraEyes has been rejected for this mission!
Final vote count:
Yays: TruthBringer
Nays: Blazinghand Palmar Radfield GreYMisT Toadesstern
The new leader is Zona whose team is None
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voted nay and that should make it 5. Zona is the next one right?
Just something I realised while rereading the thread:
I said like 2 times I would like a team that's leader + palmar/rad + waynie + waynie. Radfield essentielly said he wants the exact same thing. However he ends up saying he doesn't want me on a team because of whatever.
Rad if you don't like to send me shouldn't you be worried about sending the team I'm ok with?
On December 29 2011 23:00 Radfield wrote:
I also disagree with sending zona right now. However I agree with Truth, Palmar and VE.
Truth
Palmar
Radfield
VE
That is the team I would like to see sent.
I mean that's what you said and the only difference I made to that is that I'd like to see Greymist over Palmar while stating that I also don't like Zona at the moment because we clearly got better candidates.
Care to explain?
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Zona, you said eariler that you would nay vote any team that included you on it. Does this mean that as leader you are going to make a team that doesnt include you?
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On December 30 2011 05:20 Radfield wrote:
Blaze, what is your optimum team? What is the team you would send that does NOT include you(if you had to)?
Jackal, you need to start thinking about your team. Ideally you have your team proposed before you actually become leader so that we can keep things moving quickly.
I have been. It will include none from day 1.
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Me Visc Grey and Toad. We can run that team 3 consecutive times if it works.
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Did I miss something? Why is jackal planning a team when zona is next in line?
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On December 30 2011 08:38 GreYMisT wrote:
Did I miss something? Why is jackal planning a team when zona is next in line?
Rad asked him his opinion.
Jackal, why neither of Rad/Palmar? Obviously I get Blaze, but srsly not 1 of Rad/Palmar?
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On December 30 2011 08:42 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 08:38 GreYMisT wrote:
Did I miss something? Why is jackal planning a team when zona is next in line? Rad asked him his opinion. Jackal, why neither of Rad/Palmar? Obviously I get Blaze, but srsly not 1 of Rad/Palmar?
Because the possibility exists that there were multiple scum on that mission. We know one of the 3 are. But 2 of or possibly all 3 are. We don't know.
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But chances are only 1 were right? Am I mistaken in thinking so? I mean, we know that there was only 1 sabotage attempt from the Day post, can we not extrapolate that only 1 scum was present?
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On December 30 2011 09:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
But chances are only 1 were right? Am I mistaken in thinking so? I mean, we know that there was only 1 sabotage attempt from the Day post, can we not extrapolate that only 1 scum was present?
Unless they have identified each other. The daypost was what I based my first post regarding night 1 on. We know that one of Rad, Palmar or BH is scum. That is fact. More than one is a possibility. I'm predisposed to not sending any of them out again atm.
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
I'm preemptively Nay on Jackal in that case. If there was one spy exactly on the mission last night then his strat is dumb. He has no way of knowing... unless of course he is scum trying to sink the town.
Zona is voting nay on himself
I will follow suit. I am accessing via phone and will have acess to a keyboard later tonight for adressing other queries
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The problem with keeping the team the same and only switching out 1 member is indeed the possibility that more than 1 scum exists on it. I don't think we can do something like that until night 4, which requires 2 sabatoges. However people have made some good points against a totally new team. My thoughts are now that we know there is at least 1 scum among those players, we isolate them completely to remove 1 or more spies from the game entirely. This leaves at most 2 spies in the remaining players to deal with.
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On December 30 2011 09:40 GreYMisT wrote:
The problem with keeping the team the same and only switching out 1 member is indeed the possibility that more than 1 scum exists on it. I don't think we can do something like that until night 4, which requires 2 sabatoges. However people have made some good points against a totally new team. My thoughts are now that we know there is at least 1 scum among those players, we isolate them completely to remove 1 or more spies from the game entirely. This leaves at most 2 spies in the remaining players to deal with.
yeah that's the reason I'd like to have either palmar or rad + leader + 2 townish looking people. BH is for most people the guy who's looking most scummy. If we do a team like leader + Radfield/Palmar + townie + townie we get awesome information. If that team fails we've almost isolated one scum and if it's a success we've chosen the right guy and will do the exact same thing again which denies scum the possibility to hide.
I am suggesting Rad/Palmar over BH because I can't tell which one looks better but most people think BH looks worse than those 2. So a team with either Rad or Palmar is more likely to be a success and that'd be clear information for us based on what happened d1.
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
Whats your rwad in me toad? Are you part of this elusive "most people" or are you countig me out just becaise some bros be hatin
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