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VisceraEyes
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Jackal58
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wherebugsgo
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On December 22 2011 06:43 wherebugsgo wrote: What about his scum meta? Click his filter. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
Part 2: Picking and Choosing. Who to lynch day 1 Fuck it, I was half way through an analysis and realized it was utter shit. Let me just throw down my thoughts on a few players and I'll try to cook up something actually coherent. The major point is that the thread early on is actually painful to read with a bunch of nonsense being thrown around. Chez and bum yelling about triggers and hinting at roles, when really, there is no reason or call to do so. That said, I can see bum doing that as town, and Chez is freaking Chez, although in his defense, I can come up with a reason why town would claim traitor, in fact, I think anyone who has read the OP carefully can come up with a reason. If chez were not utterly insane and had been subtle about it I might have even given him town points for it. LSB: Well, he hasn't come up with a mega plan yet, but I find wbg analysis against him to be quite weak. The fact is I expect better play from LSB overall. One point I didn't see brought up is that LSB seems to be lacking confidence, Town LSB is supremely confident, I don't get that "feel" here. his defense seems ok. I wanted to comment on him since he was a lynch target at some point. SamuelLJackson - Hydra! Kill it with fire! Kill it with fire!. Ok, not seriously. What I find suspicious is that he endorsed a weak case against LSB. The fact that he can't come up with a reason why Chez might softclaim traitor as town is suspicious to me, especially because he says its anti town, and then doesn't do anything about it. Especially lolworthy is how he accuses me of making a stupid case when my "case" is "I dislike hydras, hurr durr", which was an attempt at gauging reactions. In fact I find the fact that he is so upset over it to be something worth noting Kitaman- Hi Kita! Do you guys know whats funny about kitaman27 this game? That he is playing exactly to his scum meta and not actually contributing anything! Here is his filter Read it, what is it about? Lurkers and Sheth, thats all kita seems to talk about. Yet he gets away as "not lurking" because of his 3-4 posts. Compare that to his play in Team Meele were he was active and pushing an agenda of lynching scum, and wham, you have a likely red. Seriously, look at his posts, town kita often asks poignant questions and pushes his objectives, almost always taking stances, while scum kita likes to go for the "soft" lynches in lurkers and trolls while staying well away from the spotlight. Notice how he pushes Sheth, who no one is voting for, likely putting him on the "voting for someone not lynched train" Kita walks in in the middle of Palmar making a major accusation about me to yell about sheth, and then walks away, without taking a stance on it. In fact, reading through his posts, he fails to to take a real stance on anything. Of the players in the game, he is one that jumps out at me as extremely suspicious and worth scrutinizing. Also, Palmar and L, stop yelling at each other, and remember, you have a higher chance of finding scum in the mid activity players, which is a category neither of you fulfills, but which kita does. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
##Vote: Kitaman27 | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On December 22 2011 06:55 GMarshal wrote: Part 2: Picking and Choosing. Who to lynch day 1 LSB: Well, he hasn't come up with a mega plan yet, but I find wbg analysis against him to be quite weak. The fact is I expect better play from LSB overall. One point I didn't see brought up is that LSB seems to be lacking confidence, Town LSB is supremely confident, I don't get that "feel" here. his defense seems ok. I wanted to comment on him since he was a lynch target at some point. What part about me calling LSB timid isn't saying he lacks confidence? Did you even read my case? Did you read the posts other players have made about LSB? I don't like the vibe you're giving off. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On December 21 2011 10:28 LSB wrote: Well that concludes that debacle wherebugsgo: Greenish read. He sounds far to much like a tunneling townie than a calculated bus. Especially since he grasp at any straws to try to get his push through, rather than abandoning a hopeless case. WBG, do you consider the bolded word in LSB's ultimate read of you post your case to be a slip? He's referring to your case on him as tunneling, why would it be a 'bus' unless he were considering you to be scum making a case on him (who he knows is scum?) I know I argued that vet players don't typically make this kind of slip, but...read it. If he were town, why would he phrase it that way? Why would he not say something like "...too much like tunneling townie than scummy attempt to push a mislynch"? I still don't like the slips you found, but what do you think of mine? The rest of LSB's posts since your case have been pretty bad universally, and I'm ultimately willing to add my token to his kettle. ##Vote: LSB | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On December 22 2011 06:55 GMarshal wrote: LSB: Well, he hasn't come up with a mega plan yet, but I find wbg analysis against him to be quite weak. The fact is I expect better play from LSB overall. One point I didn't see brought up is that LSB seems to be lacking confidence, Town LSB is supremely confident, I don't get that "feel" here. his defense seems ok. I wanted to comment on him since he was a lynch target at some point. Interesting. What about mine? Or did the entire scum team choose to ignore me today? And he is a lynch target right now. Not "at some point". Bugs asked me about LSB's town meta. I answered him. That gets into his confidence as town. Did you read it? Do you agree or disagree? How can you compare Kita's meta to his town play and vote for him yet ignore LSBs? What's up with this shizzle GMan????? | ||
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syllogism
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On December 22 2011 07:15 Jackal58 wrote: Interesting. What about mine? Or did the entire scum team choose to ignore me today? And he is a lynch target right now. Not "at some point". Bugs asked me about LSB's town meta. I answered him. That gets into his confidence as town. Did you read it? Do you agree or disagree? How can you compare Kita's meta to his town play and vote for him yet ignore LSBs? What's up with this shizzle GMan????? I'm running on like 3 hours of sleep, cut me some slack. Reviewing, I apparently didn't read the case against LSB carefully enough the first time around. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
You seem to be on the fence about LSB, your post doesn't say much about him other than "I think WBG's case on him is weak, but here's something I found that wasn't in the case"...which it was. Do you know something about LSB that we don't? Or do you suspect something about LSB that prevents you from voting for him? | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On December 22 2011 07:19 GMarshal wrote: I'm running on like 3 hours of sleep, cut me some slack. Reviewing, I apparently didn't read the case against LSB carefully enough the first time around. Slack granted. Change your vote to LSB before you fall asleep and more slack will be granted. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On December 22 2011 07:10 VisceraEyes wrote: WBG, do you consider the bolded word in LSB's ultimate read of you post your case to be a slip? He's referring to your case on him as tunneling, why would it be a 'bus' unless he were considering you to be scum making a case on him (who he knows is scum?) I know I argued that vet players don't typically make this kind of slip, but...read it. If he were town, why would he phrase it that way? Why would he not say something like "...too much like tunneling townie than scummy attempt to push a mislynch"? I still don't like the slips you found, but what do you think of mine? The rest of LSB's posts since your case have been pretty bad universally, and I'm ultimately willing to add my token to his kettle. ##Vote: LSB what are you implying? That I am scum with LSB based on one word he said? That LSB is trying to sacrifice himself if he can get me mislynched afterward? I didn't actually notice this. It probably means LSB is indeed scum, has no confidence in his play anymore, and is trying to do as much damage as he can before he falls by subtly calling this a bus. I can assure you that LSB and I are not scum together. I have always hated bussing, except in extraordinary circumstances where it is absolutely necessary. Indeed, if you don't believe me on that, go check out Mini X, where I basically soft defended Wiggles all of day 1 and actually messed up by not bussing him, because I really didn't want to and I thought there were other ways of approaching the game in self-preservation than killing my own teammate. | ||
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SamuelLJackson
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
No, I wanted your opinion. It looked like a slip to me, and you've proven to be keen on looking for slips, so I wanted your opinion on it. It read to me as an accident...like, he posted what his actual thought process was instead of what his revised, "town"-persona thought-process should have been. I've got you as a pretty strong town read atm, don't fuck it up with paranoia.  | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On December 22 2011 07:27 SamuelLJackson wrote: @GMarshal I want to you to answer this honestly: How carefully are you reading the thread? /sandroba I sped read to catch up, the only posts I skipped were Chezes. That said, it was not a careful read through, it was more of a "fuck, fuck, fuck, I should have done this yesterday" style read, I usually like to read the thread 3-4 times before saying anything. Plus you know (I think) that my reading comprehension goes out the window when I'm exhausted | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
LSB's filter isn't long. You're familiar with the playstyles of most of the players in the game I'd imagine (at least nominally), could you go read LSB's filter and give your honest opinion of him rather than fence-sit/throwaway-vote? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On December 22 2011 07:28 VisceraEyes wrote: WBG, that's not what I was implying at all. If I thought that, I wouldn't have directed the question at you would I? Never does any good to try and convince scum that they're scum, amirite? No, I wanted your opinion. It looked like a slip to me, and you've proven to be keen on looking for slips, so I wanted your opinion on it. It read to me as an accident...like, he posted what his actual thought process was instead of what his revised, "town"-persona thought-process should have been. I've got you as a pretty strong town read atm, don't fuck it up with paranoia. No worries, that was a very good catch. I agree with you somewhat on that; I think it's actually an intentional slip. The term "bus," afaik, only means one mafia player who pushes his own teammate to lynch. Throwing his teammate under the bus, if you will. In this case LSB used it such that he wanted someone to catch it and think it was true. Thus, I think it was intentional, and I think he wanted people to think I am scum bussing him. Not subtle enough, LSB! You die now. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On December 22 2011 07:27 SamuelLJackson wrote: @GMarshal I want to you to answer this honestly: How carefully are you reading the thread? /sandroba sandro was it you or curu who initially agreed with the LSB case I made? Can you explain your current thoughts on the game? What do you think of Palmar/L? RoL? Foolishness? | ||
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