Election Mafia

We're all three of us good players
We're all good at scum hunting
We all consistently get shot by mafia Night 1 and 2.
We are unlikely both mafia, and have decent reads on each other if one of us is scum.

On December 13 2011 00:11 GiygaS wrote:

I have very little time, so I can only write a few sentences. So how the hell does a potential 3 votes beat the ability to crush all votes? It means he can save 2 scummates from being lynched!

On December 13 2011 00:18 prplhz wrote:
@zeks



What changed your mind? You didn't want to vote Arctocod at first because you didn't think Palmar was that good a scum hunter, did he suddenly get better or something?

On December 13 2011 01:32 risk.nuke wrote:

Exception 1. mass last minute vote switch.
Questionable Exception 2. Everyone agrees on lynching someone, then occurs a last hour voteswitch when some keyplayers are unavailable.

On December 13 2011 03:25 prplhz wrote:
I'll be voting either Radfield or Arctocod, using my vote to put as many of them in office as I can.

@zeks Hey, you said that you'd like to lynch a hydra or a mayor candidate, so you want to lynch either Radfield, Arctocod, ProfessorBadass, DEUS-ex-MAFIA or TotallyNotTwoPeople? Hydras because your sixth sense tells you that one of these are scum and mayor candidates because you think that scum has at least one candidate running? Am I understanding this right?

On December 13 2011 05:34 risk.nuke wrote:
any kind of "those present should mutualy decide if to use pardon" is idiocy and a setup like that would only favor the mafia over town.

The pardoner will have to decide himself if he is going to use it or not, and if he pardons it's at his own risk. Forbidding it is idiocy but we should warn him that by using the abillity chances are high we'll kill him.

On December 13 2011 09:09 Eiii wrote:
I'm going to be voting Radfield for mayor/pardoner. He would be good to have in either role, and now that he's posted some more I'm pretty confident that he's legit. If anyone hasn't looked at the election voting thread yet, it's literally all rad/arc, so it looks like our candidates are decided unless anyone has some major objections.

I'm not going to lie, I generally don't really have any clue what's going on day 1, and this game is no exception. I like prpl and Deus' posting. People have called out zeks a few times, and if you filter his posts it's clearly not without reason-- he went from not wanting a rad/arc office to, twelve hours later, voting for both of them. When questioned about it, he sidesteps the issue entirely. Trying to lay low like that after silently making such a big swing in his stance isn't something I'm comfortable seeing, so I'm throwing my lynch vote on him now. I want to see this guy under more pressure!

Woo!

Alright, I'm not going to be running for mayor or pardoner or anything. I'm going to be voting for one of the hydras, in all likelihood-- from my experience, multi-person players (especially with experienced, devoted mafia players behind them) can absolutely wreck games like this. Having a pro-town hydra behind a bodyguard should be town's goal for today, in my opinion.

Could we start discussing in advance how the pardoner should be used? I remember the pardoner being a pretty controversial role in the last game I played with one, so it'd be good if we could get people talking about how he should behave *before* we elect one. It seems to me that having a pardoner that can pardon *twice* is ridiculously powerful, and could probably win scum the game outright if a red got that spot. If anything, the person who gets pardoner needs to propose and discuss their actions in advance-- any sort of surprise pardoning of a lynch candidate needs to result in an immediate lynch of the pardoner.

On December 13 2011 07:05 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:


sorry kita ^_^

I never said there is something wrong with it either, If I would had it would had been very clear because I would had provided arguments, ergo you can conclude I did never in any way say there is something wrong with it. I merely didn't want words put in my mouth.

Deus. what you said was an inch from basicly twisting that into claiming I said something is wrong with Radfields plan.
FoS.

On December 13 2011 13:23 GreYMisT wrote:


Building off Eii's accusations, here you say that either zeks is stupid or mafia, then you nonchalantly say that we should lynch him because he is the all we have at the moment in the next post. To me this doesnt look like an accusation or pressure, to me this looks like someone jumping on an easy wagon.

On December 13 2011 17:12 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:
Having only two real candidates for mayor/pardoner makes me uneasy, but I even more dislike the half-assed mayoral campaign that promises activity and follows it up by being inactive. Can any player who has played with them (Curu/Erandorr) before give some insight as to how active they generally are as town versus scum? And to Curu/Erandorr, any particular reason for the lack of activity? And why did you run for mayor and then put no effort into it?

On December 14 2011 00:20 Cwave wrote:


I miss how that is unfortunate? That they are running for mayor or that they get the benefit of the doubt because they have more fluff then the other candidates and what is bad about that?

On December 12 2011 12:28 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Its very important we get these two positions filled up by people who are 100% not mafia. This can be tough obviously. So I think its obvious we want someone who is willing to write a lot in order to be one of these.

On December 14 2011 05:13 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I have not zeks :[ I havn't had anytime sadly. I've looked at a small part of a few before this one, but I've been trying to filter people here, fix my computer and keep up on SC2 related things. Its pretty time consuming. Not to mention that I'm at my families house and should visit with them as well ><

Why would it be devastating to have Radfield/Arctocod in office if they're both scum? The Mayor's role isn't really that powerful, and PYP:I was won without the Pardoner stopping a single lynch, and if the Pardoner stops a lynch without a huge reasonable then he's autolynch the next day. Wouldn't it be worse to have them out of office if they are town?"

There is no way to figure out if someone is "100%" mafia either. Oh percentages, how I hate sheepycat or w/e his name is for over using them on EVERY single read he ever had. And what do you mean theres only one way to get confirmed and that way kinda prevents people from getting elected afterwards? I honestly just don't know....

I get the basic read from Redfield that hes clean though. Just from the imaginary tone I hear in my head.

Radfield hasn't said anything from his one post, so I kind of don't think he should be mayor based on that, but I really think hes townie. Just from a random gut read.

Radfields comments are again good. I'm getting like this pure read from him for now. Just seems legit.

And pointing out I'm trying to collect towncred is a good way for you to get some good towncred too. =)

Lynch - Prplhz - I've always gotten some weird vibes from him. Back when he said neither elected position is at all important and him saying he thinks its better if Mafia gets one of those jobs. I think its just weird logic. I'm all for you attacking risk.nuke and looking at deus-ex above me, and I realize your not really on other peoples radar, but your definetly on mine. If you can change my mind I'll definetly change my vote, I'm just saying this now as I have to go. I'll be back to re-read this all over before actual Election time.

Either Zeks or Zentor. They've both shown that even if there not mafia, there not going to be too helpful in finding real mafia and might just confuse us more.

Sure, will do. Just again notice I was asked just which player would you call down the thunder on right now if you could? So I just answered my two feels and a brief why. Who've I've been worried about the most is pretty much constantly changing with posts and as I go over and filter everyone.

Why would it be devastating to have Radfield/Arctocod in office if they're both scum? The Mayor's role isn't really that powerful, and PYP:I was won without the Pardoner stopping a single lynch, and if the Pardoner stops a lynch without a huge reasonable then he's autolynch the next day. Wouldn't it be worse to have them out of office if they are town?

On December 14 2011 05:49 prplhz wrote:
That was a pretty bad analysis. One of the quotes isn't even Liquid`Sheth's and the conclusion is that either he's town or he's scum. Duh.

Other than that, zeks is just rehashing the obvious instead of trying to clarify why he thinks it is coming from a scum mind and not a town mind.

On December 14 2011 10:24 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
yeah, i see the arcto ability.

okay. who did radfield want lynched and who did arcto want lynched?

On December 14 2011 10:26 GiygaS wrote:
Out of all the hydras, we basically have a choice: Prof or Deus. The reason I don't want to vote for Deus is what annul just said. Technically, Deus is really just one person executing the gameplan, doing the analysis, etc. while there's one guy who need's a recap of the day to do anything at all. :/ For this reason, I feel Prof is more important to protect from Night Kills. And that's why I'm voting him for pardonner.

On the subject of lynching, I'm going to be voting for either:
Zeks
Zentor (Leaning against this because I feel the case on him is weak but other more experienced people all seem to believe he's mister Scummy McScum)
Risk.nuke (I've already declared my suspicions on him in my defense, and I've looked at his filter a second time and he seems suspicious)

Another point on risk.nuke: he didn't seem at all interested in being a candidate in the first bit, bu tnow that Arc is gone he was almost immediate to go "pick me! pick me!" when he is one of the least likely to get lynched tonight because people are suspecting him. I'll be watching and I'll make my decision from those three soon.

On December 14 2011 10:24 ProfessorBadass wrote:
Every post in the game has been Curu, I don't even know where Erandorr is. He kept monstrously crashing in DotA 2 so I'm guessing he has PC problems or something.

On December 14 2011 10:32 ProfessorBadass wrote:


Go look through past games and find where supersoft has -ever- been killed as a Townie. If he is Town then you are giving minimal benefits whereas if he is Mafia then you are fucking the Town. High risk low reward.

You have not said a word against me before but now all of a sudden you think I am Mafia because Radfield said so? If I am Town then you ensure I cannot get shot, if I am Mafia then I am putting myself under serious pressure by being in office.

Yeah I haven't been that active over the past few days because I've been playing DotA 2 nonstop with Mig. Mig hasn't been online at all this past day so here I am.

On December 14 2011 10:47 risk.nuke wrote:

I didn't want to run then, and I think I've already explained the paniced state of the town 1 hour untill election.
Do anyone here belive that my running now is the secret mafia agenda/plan. Does it look well thought out, I'm running to throw a shoe in the machinery for the mafia and prevent their plan. Because they have an agenda, this is very likely a limited use abillity. They wouldn't throw it at us for fun.

On December 14 2011 11:04 GreYMisT wrote:


We don't know for sure if the ability includes a silence, don't assume things.

On December 14 2011 11:09 GreYMisT wrote:


Don't get me wrong, i think this is most likely the case, but be careful where hidden mechanics are concerend.

Also i noticed you vote is currently on Sheth. there is one hour till the lynch if I am correct. Do you believe strongly enough that he is scum to the point where you can convice us all in 1 hour to switch? if not then you need to make your vote count.

On December 14 2011 11:17 GreYMisT wrote:


Or you could help us find a good lynch target by looking through them now and placing a vote instead of waiting to see how others feel about it.

On December 06 2011 15:00 Refallen wrote:
Can I /in too? I'm playing in XLVIII atm but since it's school holidays for me I really am free pretty much 14-15 hours a day.

On December 14 2011 11:09 MrZentor wrote:


Um... I think both choices are bad.

A reason I shouldn't get killed? I can't get lynched tonight.

That's a pretty good reason to not lynch me.

On December 14 2011 11:50 prplhz wrote:
@zeks

How did you go from "Nisani201 is a lurker" to "Nisani201 is town"?

On December 14 2011 11:53 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Zeks, could you answer the question though please?

On December 14 2011 12:28 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
@Zeks well, like you were really helpful? You just voted for MrZentor. Any reason we shouldn't just decide tomorrow to lynch you and avoid this 3-ish candiates in the last minute problem you talk about?

On December 14 2011 12:36 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
G'nite Zeks, I'm working on my logical not just fluff posts,don't worry. Cya in the morning.

On December 14 2011 12:42 prplhz wrote:
In case any medics just send in their actions now and then go away for the rest of the night:

ALL MEDICS ON ARCTOCOD, NO EXCEPTIONS, NO EXCUSES

On December 14 2011 15:41 Arctocod wrote:
Also, I received a PM from the host. I need some of you to believably pretend to know what it is about and answer to this post so that whoever is the cause of the PM can reveal himself to me. If you are it, be specific enough.

On December 14 2011 15:42 GiygaS wrote:
Hey, if you trust me: open the package, it is a message.

On December 15 2011 03:24 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
@Radfield on page 44 he answers me quoting Prplhz's question. He never did answer the question. And if you look at his answers both times, they seemed different to me then a normal Zeks post. I realize I've seemingly been "stuck" on Zeks for a while, but please consider these points as if anyone else had suggested them. I'm trying to simply use logic and I think I've found a pretty good inconsistency.

Not at all trying to take away from your talk about Comp/Drop/Blood and the Vigil hit~

Times up for my vote and I promised Id vote for one of the top 2

MrZentor vs Nisani

I have decided to vote for MrZentor

Even if this shines badly on me I will do it because out of the two, Nisani is a lurker and there are better lurker candidates out there

Zentor's unlynchable claim seems like a last ditch effort to me. Even if he lives tonight he obviously won't get shot by scum just because he's always suspicious and he's no contributor.

I'm going to step up and challenge him on his claim and vote him. IF he dies and flips town whatever at least he'll give us more to work on than a dead town nisani will

@zeks

How did you go from "Nisani201 is a lurker" to "Nisani201 is town"?

I am merely comparing the situations in which who would give us more to work with the next day assuming both are dead townies

On December 15 2011 03:40 Liquid`Sheth wrote:


I just went through and did just that. You've said a few things that seemed off in our little 2 hourish time constraint thing. But yea I see what where your coming from when you said those things. The wording and the way you said it didn't make too much sense at first to me. I didn't realize how you said Nisani was a town at the end of that post. I'm ok with you now. After clearing that up I see where your coming from. As just a side point, the thing I found weird during our time constraint, was that you agreed with Evantrees to do a RNG on Pardoner. However again, I think your townie after re-reading your stuff yet again.

On December 15 2011 03:26 Radfield wrote:
zeks, I think those lists you put together are simply a list of the players who were active in the last two hours of the day. Basing our actions on them is a bad idea in my opinion.

I would prefer players go off who they think is scummy based on posting, not voting. At least for tonight.

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On December 15 2011 03:43 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
@zeks Also having gone over most of the recent posts this morning other then that thing with you, the main person I thought looked the scummiest was Evantrees. Could you filter him and see if you agree? I'm going to look through his filter again as well.

On December 15 2011 04:15 MrZentor wrote:

I can be lynched, I just couldn't be lynched that night. Don't put words into my mouth.
I'm pretty useless now....

On December 15 2011 04:25 MrZentor wrote:


I think you're scum.
I'm not going to answer you.

On December 15 2011 04:51 ProfessorBadass wrote:
zeks you are also a dumbass plain and simple. Do you really think Mafia would go balls out and orchestrate a last minute vote switch to get a Pardoner in office and a Townie lynched? Sacrifice all their members for a mislynch and an office when there's an election every day?

It's far more likely Mafia were just lying low during that whole debacle and seeing how things played out. Mafia hate being in the spotlight.

Palmar don't be a dumbass. If I was scum there was no way I would have wanted to run for the election at the exact time when it would have looked the worst to run.

I'm not attacking you I'm asking you to go and read over the cases in a useful fashion instead of standing there making stupid statements and enabling all these dumbasses

On December 15 2011 05:06 Arctocod wrote:
You running at that moment seems null to me, because you were also the natural replacement once we were removed and thus wouldn't really arouse suspicion. Being the pardoner makes you immune to DTs, denies town from having a NK immune player and you've an excuse for being alive later on. This doesn't look like your typical scum play though.

On December 15 2011 05:14 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:


zeks. Go sit in the corner!

(sorry dude, but your post isn't helpful, don't take anything in this game personal please. :D)

On December 15 2011 21:06 Jitsu wrote:
Somethings I would like to note on.
MrZentor claimed blue role yesterday, but never really came out and said what it was after it became "useless." Not sure what the role was/could have been, but when he was called on it, I think he just ignored the post and faded out?

I would like to see Arcto/GigyaS for the new selections. My reasoning? We are all pretty much aware that GigyaS is town, because of his role. The question was is Arcto playing the role of town up? It could be possible. I believe Arcto is town, at least right now. So at this point, they will be getting my two roles for elections.

On December 16 2011 01:28 MrZentor wrote:


Mafia.



I'd like to be elected. Also, for future record and in case I am not on later or I suddenly die, here is a list of people, whom I think are mafia. Sheth, Zeks, Risk.nuke

On December 16 2011 05:09 GreYMisT wrote:
While that is a "possible" explination sheth, It is far too prone to risks for a scum team to attempt. If what you are saying is true and arcto and giygas are scum, then they would be in an even better position now if they had just left arcto in office, and used the kp on a more active townie than Eii.

Now that MrZentor has been confirmed I would like to hear what Zeks has to say, he has been at MrZentor's throat for a while now.

On December 16 2011 05:56 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Ok, as I'm reading through everyones filter I want to bring up two points that haven't been brought up yet.

I think theres a chance mafia can mess with our Lynch like they messed with our Election. So I'd like to have a backup lynch discussion as well.

Secondly I think we need a third person who we would vote in, in case Mafia can remove one election candidate again.

I geuss as another point, bumatlarge please do what VisceraEyes did; re-read what you can when you can and comment on what you think about it.

On December 17 2011 04:08 Curu wrote:
No I'm done. I really don't care. I'm not posting anything anymore either way so just kill me and get it over with.

I'm pulling a Palmar.

On December 18 2011 07:20 risk.nuke wrote:

You're town. Lets not argue about this more, it's a pro town abillity. The host cant be so crual as to give that to mafia, it would be unfairly crual. You've done things like you not use your abillity when arctocod was withdrawn and town was in panic. Since I don't think even the slightest that you are scum your behavior isn't scummy but just newbie play. And even though you're town you're also confirmed green throw in that a medic just might choose to protect you because you are confirmed town. This combined equals you're not an as attractive target as you belive.

On December 18 2011 13:35 evantrees wrote:
Nice job VisceraEyes and hmm one sub killed the other.

Debated not posting this due to the complaints but eh whatever.
Why no vote for the election Comprissent, Zeks , and MarserBlood?
and Cascades you messed up the format.

Also no lynch vote from MarserBlood and risk.nuke.

On December 18 2011 23:28 Radfield wrote:
Damn, I was writing up a post with the pertinent quote of ProfBad, but somehow lost it. It wasn't particularly useful anyways, so I'll just write the coles notes version instead:

* risk.nuke is likely town, simply due to the energy that ProfBad put into discrediting him, and trying to get him lynched.

* ProfBad made 2 real cases, both in the same post, on risk.nuke and cwave. However the case on Cwave is pretty weak, and he never mentions him again to my knowledge.

* Prof is willing to bus his teammates, as he consistently calls out Dropbear(Bum-GF) early game. However calling out the godfather is pretty common scum-play, as you want to encourage enough suspicion to draw DT checks.

*Calls out nyczbrandon's posts a couple times, but writes them off as bad townie.

* Fights against Dues-ex for mayor position, argues over a few other things as well. Added with a few other things, Dues is likely town.

* Zeks also looks better based on his interactions with ProfBad. Basically calling out the pardoner push as scum driven, and ProfBad calling him a dumbass

Bum basically said very little, but posted his suspicions against both evantrees and refallen. However he quickly retracted his suspicion against Refallen, but it was done in such a way that Refallen may be town. Not sure yet.


So, the vote list for ProfessorBadass as Pardoner. Seems highly unlikely to me that there would be zero scum on this wagon. I would in fact think scum would get on early to try and jolt it into action.

GreYMisT,
xsksc,
prplhz,
GiygaS,
Eiii,
Refallen,
Radfield

Assuming you believe me to be town(and apparantly green?!) where does that leave us?

+ Show Spoiler +

"We don't know for sure if the ability includes a silence, don't assume things."

Am i correct in thinking that there are no bodygaurds for this election? and that the only thing that happens with the secretary of defense is that his role is revealed? then upon re-reading and thinking about it we need to treat the runner up slot like a second lynch. I want palmar in the elected spot so i am going to vote for him, but i am considering MrZentor as the runner up. voting him into the runner up will be a win-win for town. if he is town and he did not lie about his roleclaim, then the mafia gains nothing. however if he lied about it and he isnt unlynchable day one, we know who to target next.

On December 19 2011 15:31 GiygaS wrote:
Yeah I gave it to Radfield if you couldn't tell. I was most sure he was a townie, didn't think the day roleblocker could roleblock in the night too.

I'm giving the temp medics job is to save me and Arc tonight, so that the other medics can focus on Radfield/Zentor? Any objections?

Also @ the medic thing: I'll get him to protect Arc, It won't really hurt the town if I die.

I'm sending a medic now. I want him to protect Arc, I don't care if I die, as I'm not contributing much anyway .

BTW I believe the other medics should try to defend Rad.

I'm thinking that who I gave the medic role to either A) Forgot or B) is Mafia. I told them in my posts expressively to protect Arc. *facepalm*

On December 20 2011 03:18 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Its all about the trade off. Your trading a Watch for a Medic save.
I think its definetly more important to have the watch used wisely and if we say its "For sure going to be on Radfield" well we've wasted our watch for a save. If we think Radfield is scum, we shouldn't have given him the medic power to start with so Case 3 is just bad.

And in case 4, I geuss thats why we say for the Watcher to choose one out of a small pool, such as Radfield and whoever we elect. This in effect can save them all. Its definetly smarter to not just say "Were using it on Radfield!" when we can do so much more with it -_-

If we have the watcher watch one of either Radfield / Deus , we can figure out one of their alignments for sure, and we can save them both.

On December 20 2011 04:06 GreYMisT wrote:


Can you explain how #3 would occur? Cause all a watch does is check who visits the target.

On December 20 2011 07:59 Liquid`Sheth wrote:


I think electing PBA was the obvious smart move, I dont see how that can make someone scum. Maybe TNTP or Deus would have been elected if they were posting at all then, but I dont think they were.

I defended ProfBA because there was no real logic behind the claim that he was mafia it was just "errandor doesn't post when hes mafia" and a few other points that were correct, but really impossible to know without having played plenty of games with erran/curu I geuss. So I don't see how Grey or myself should have known this was true.

And whether or not Grey flips scum shouldn't confirm I am scum or that I'm less guilty. I just want to use logic and I think MarserBlood (jj2a or somethingw now), Comprissent, Cascades and whoever else aren't posting at all and check them for scum. Nycz or w/e too. I'm really unhappy with how Cascades looks atm and would love to hear Radfields or Jj2a's oppinions on his filter. I'm not happy with linching Greymist today.

On December 20 2011 08:27 GreYMisT wrote:


is something stopping you? Your post implies that you believe he is town and just saying scummy things in your eyes. is this true?

On December 16 2011 10:33 GreYMisT wrote:
The best defense is helping scumhunt, you are right in that we dont want to hear random comments unless they help us find scum.

On December 20 2011 08:48 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I thought zeks was town before you did.
/hipster

On December 18 2011 23:28 Radfield wrote:

So, the vote list for ProfessorBadass as Pardoner. Seems highly unlikely to me that there would be zero scum on this wagon. I would in fact think scum would get on early to try and jolt it into action.

GreYMisT
xsksc,
prplhz,
GiygaS,
Eiii,
Refallen,
Radfield

Assuming you believe me to be town(and apparantly green?!) where does that leave us?

+ Show Spoiler +

On December 17 2011 02:20 Refallen wrote:
When are we ever going to be lynching Arcto or Giygas?

On December 06 2011 15:00 Refallen wrote:
Can I /in too? I'm playing in XLVIII atm but since it's school holidays for me I really am free pretty much 14-15 hours a day.

On December 14 2011 12:01 Refallen wrote:
Also comprissent you formatted your vote wrongly.

On December 19 2011 19:19 Refallen wrote:
Also, evantrees you need to stop nitpicking on minor issues like vote formatting. Lastly, we really shouldn't be discussing modkills here. What's the point of that?
For now, I'm leaning towards lynching Greymist.

On December 21 2011 01:39 Refallen wrote:
I voted for curu...and then repeatedly pointed out how weird the whole situation was and tried to get him lynched, way before any bandwagon on him started forming.

On December 21 2011 01:47 risk.nuke wrote:
Cwave take your idiotic arse elshwhere and stop questioning or insulting me at every turn. I was going to check them, I never blindly trusts.

And knock of with the whole I voted for curu first. I don't care if you put a mini subpost somewhere on how curu might be scum. Mafia does that to eachothr all the time, also infact everyone at some point writes something small about everyone. You're all mistaking if you think that a little useless post against curu that accomplished nothing and means nothing will gain you more towncred depending on the time of it's posting.

On December 21 2011 02:02 evantrees wrote:
I'm the Public Service Announcer, so still a useless townie sorry. Had no good idea how to use the ability particularly when I figured scum had something similar as well, and yes missed my chance to call curu on it(same ability).
Ability seems good for lying to town not sure what else. Maybe could have tried to mess with the substitutes check how well they've been reading the thread?
"Please stay tuned to the following announcement:" followed by message, any preference on what you would like kita to post?

On December 21 2011 01:26 GreYMisT wrote:


Like I said if you insist I will claim in full, but please understand that what I am obscuring is only good for town, and that it hampers my ability to act in an elected position. Notice I did not run in any election as I normally do.

On December 21 2011 02:28 MrZentor wrote:
I'd be glad to be elected as Watcher, as I am a confirmed townie, and my ability doesn't interfere with the watcher ability.

On December 21 2011 04:32 evantrees wrote:
Slightly relevant picture I found amusing.


I'd say pretty small given we know the other 4, and it seems kind of weak when it has been seen once already.

17. bumatlarge (Replaces DropBear) godfather dead
25. ProfessorBadass (Curu + Erandorr hydra)the Mafia Minister of Propaganda . dead

someone roleblocker
someone attorney

Kind of feel the last one will end up as something in a similar vein as this,
Politician. Twice per game, you may buy target player's vote and dictate their day cycle and election cycle vote. The results of your action will not be reflected until the final vote count.

On December 21 2011 05:47 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
optimal election today will be:

police chief: DEUS-ex-MAFIA

prankster: Greymist

Since he's confirmed town this title is perfect for him.
I should be police chief, I am going to watch radfield 100% to keep him alive.

That's the optimal composition.

On December 21 2011 05:55 Jitsu wrote:
I would feel much safer with my Chief vote going to someone who is confirmed Town. In the chance that Deus is Mafia, we lose Radfield and get nothing out of it.

On December 20 2011 12:05 nyczbrandon wrote:
zeks
His decisivness when accusing ProfessorBadass throughout the game seemed pro-town to me. He posted how he was suspicous of the timing of when ProfB ran for election as it was after Arctorod had been removed from the election. Would also try to connect the last minute vote switch of Spaackle to election of ProfB. Seemed even better when ProfB turned up as scum. If he were scum, he would not prompt a DT on a fellow mafia since he is not GF and will not come out as a different role.

Posts a seemingly convincible post about his suspicions of Sheth's play when he is a newcomer. Though he had posted a quote from the wrong player and was misinformed about other parts of Sheth's post. To me, this is a mistake made by zeks' suspicions of Sheth rather than intentionally using someone elses' post to accuse Sheth.

Continues to press Mr.Zentor on his alignment after revealing his role to everyone despite being apparent to others that it was pro town and not a scum ability.

Had backed up his Day 1 lynch rather than bandwagoning like many. I think scum in a situation where there was bandwagoning would try to conceal themselves and just vote without any words.

Two bad calls on xsksx and Eiii. He believed they were scum or suspicious, but turned up blue.

In the end, i think that he is blue. Accused ProfB and could of been a factor that led to him breaking down and giving up. Backs most of his suspicions with reasoning.

On December 21 2011 06:33 GreYMisT wrote:


and this wasnt shared earlier.....why?

On December 21 2011 06:45 nyczbrandon wrote:


My role is vanille townie

On December 21 2011 11:41 Refallen wrote:
I am wary of him, but certainly not enough to be pushing for his lynch. I think my scum reads are pretty messed up this game, with both you and evantrees claiming power roles.

And I voted comprissent because out of the three choices given, (two if you look at deus-ex's posts), I feel like cascades is a townie. Nor do I think that, seeing as how most people have a null read on me at best, should I be doing eyebrow-raising things like voting for someone else altogether at this late hour.

On December 21 2011 17:20 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
mhhh I changed my mind. I am not going to watch Radfield for sure.
I got 3 people on my paper and I am going to roll a dice.

On December 21 2011 23:55 Cwave wrote:




Assuming you have security of defense power and assuming that means you have a nuke--> you now nuked someone(Dues??), we are now waiting for a modpost?

Why launch now?

On December 22 2011 00:01 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
zeks, please wifom your protective power somehow between radfield, greymist, zentor and gigayis

On December 22 2011 02:18 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
So I geuss what I'm trying to say is : Radfield / Zeks why aren't you upset with Deus for not doing what you said to do and we all agreed on?

On December 22 2011 03:27 Radfield wrote:


If I turn up dead in the morning and he has an excuse instead of a name, he gets lynched. Supersoft knows the consequences.

Zeks do you need protection tonight, or should I not be bothering with you?

On December 22 2011 13:08 zeks wrote:
Sorry for the triple post, but I imagine the voting is to go like this today for election:

1. jaj22 - Radfield
6. TotallyNotTwoPeople - Radfield
8. Refallen - Radfield
9. Cwave - Radfield
10. zeks - Radfield
12. risk.nuke - Radfield
18. Jitsu - Radfield
24. cascades - Zeks

3. GreYMisT - Zeks
4. DEUS-ex-MAFIA - Zeks
11. MrZentor - Zeks
19. Radfield x2 - Zeks


I'm pretty sure this way it'll be fool proof for the 2 scum to try to influence election. If everyone could review this and tell me what you think that would be great thanks. Going to sign off for the night if nothing comes up

On December 22 2011 23:04 zeks wrote:



I have fixed the list. Thanks for letting me know Comprissent was dead - I was going by the player list on page 1.

Nothing much has changed, cascades will now vote for Radfield, and I forgot about Radfield's 2nd vote, it will also go to me.

On December 22 2011 23:14 risk.nuke wrote:
Radfield I don't want you to be Post General and I absolutely don't wan't you to be cordinating with Intelligence officer because you and TnTp are the two people I think have all to much taken-for-granted towncred without support for it.

On December 22 2011 16:28 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
radfield wasnt visited

On December 22 2011 23:54 risk.nuke wrote:

I'm asking about your role because I am not sure about you. Blues doesn't win the game. So answer my question.

I'm choosing Deus over IO because blues doesn't win the game for us and because nobody knows what IO is and most often it's just as good the IO decideds what to do for himself to assure scum won't know. I want to discuss privatly with Dues without scum ears and I think that will be very beneficial. Alot more then having radfield controlling the IO or choosing two people who doesn't realise how damn good this role is and won't be able to use it to full extent.
Also me and Dues are green so we would be spreading out the people mafia will want to hit.

On December 22 2011 23:14 risk.nuke wrote:
Radfield I don't want you to be Post General and I absolutely don't wan't you to be cordinating with Intelligence officer because you and TnTp are the two people I think have all to much taken-for-granted towncred without support for it.

On December 16 2011 09:37 Radfield wrote:


I'm not quite in the same section as Arctocod just yet, or at least I shouldn't be. I need a couple notches on my belt first.

Me and Arcto will not be around to catch ProfBA in the end. We will be almost certainly dead, unless mafia does not get wise real quick. That means if he is mafia we need to catch him within the next two cycles, or else the townies in the endgame will have to do it on their own.

If there are question marks around ProfBA then you want to leave him hanging where mafia can get to him, and make sure not to give him an excuse to still be alive Day 4 or Day 5.

On December 17 2011 12:43 Radfield wrote:
OK, so we're obviously lynching curu. Silencer is a fairly scum-favoured tool, and using it on oneself is not particularly town. Not to mention, did anyone else read that convo between Erandorr and Curu and think it was a convo between two townies? I did not.

In other news, I am here to save the day! I have the power to enact a double lynch, and as such will be using it today. Curu is obviously locked in, so lets kickstart on who else we want to lynch


Bum, your posting is ridiculously terrible this game. I would guess half your posts so far I actually have no idea what your talking about. Have you filtered anyone? Have you read any post more than once? You just feel like your putting in about 10 minutes a day of effort. I realize you're homeless and everything, but don't the public libraries have computers you can use?




This is actually remarkably damning. I haven't checked the time-stamps yet, but what possible reason would a townie have for speculating that it was an ability that needed to be used at least 2 hours before the day. I NEVER would have gotten close to assuming that. It was obvious it was scum driven, but 2 hours? That's incredibly specific and accurate.

MrZentor, when you are around please let me know. I have a few questions for you.

On December 23 2011 00:15 risk.nuke wrote:

How the &¤%# is radfield 99% townie. Explain that to me, he hasn't done anything special to deserve a towntitle. Now look you idiot. From the start Radfield became grouped in to the people who were the elite force of this game and has he been living up to that? No! Compare to what palmar achieved the time he lived and you'd fucking see that Radfield is floating on only because of this idea that he is our best townplayer which magicly makes his posts great while doing a bare minimun required of him and occasionally throwing in a good post WELL GUESS WHAT, If he was scum and didn't do that he would get INSTANTLY LYNCHED so tell me you sheeping moron how he is 99% town... You people, I don't get how you think.

And if you insist on not sharing your role then you shouldn't be elected because if (A) you're mafia you shouldn't be elected and (B) if you're town you shouldn't be elected to spread out mafia targets.

Also it's not my damn fault greymist played scummy and got unlucky with the circumstances of how he defended The Professor. You probably are deluding yourself that Greymist played well but he played a lousy game because he had to role-claim medic to not get lyched.

On December 23 2011 01:02 jaj22 wrote:
Deus said that no-one visited Radfield last night, so that'd be two roleblock claims at most.

On December 23 2011 01:21 jaj22 wrote:
So's the watcher, apparently:

"Additionally, the police chief role's watcher ability applies to all day and night actions during the cycle."
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12828580

Not sure how that works in different overlap cases though, given that the roleblock could have started before the watcher ability kicked in. If no-one claims roleblock then I guess we can greentext the question.

On December 23 2011 03:29 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:
Even if Radfield isn't around, I still want to hear from Zeks and Greymist on whether we should mass role-claim. If Radfield is around I would like to hear from him as well. Prankster/Secretary of Defense need not say what those powers do, as I don't see how that would help us determine who is town or scum. Only claiming of roles given at the start of the game would be needed. I would also be fine with neither Zeks nor Radfield claiming during a mass claim. Presumably we know the last of the red roles remaining, so that would mean scum would either need to claim vanilla, or claim a plausible yet unprovable blue role with no counter-claim.

On December 23 2011 04:09 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:

Only the vanillas? Well then, just to make it clear that I am complying with this and not ignoring it, I am a blue. I can claim the details of my role if needed, but otherwise I will leave it at that.

On December 23 2011 04:21 Jitsu wrote:
Is everyone claiming roles now?

On December 23 2011 23:50 risk.nuke wrote:
so zeks, you want to stack multiple powers (3) on you when mafia have 1 kp and we don't have any medic.

On December 12 2011 21:47 Cwave wrote:


There isn't much info atm to base a lynch on so it makes sense to focus on elections for now right?
Or did i miss a slip of anyone?

Further more, i do agree on the "good" players being fine candidates for mayor. I am however afraid that once they claim a mayor position, other veterans will start pingponging with him/them again and newer players get left out and important information gets lost in the roleplaying madness.

Concerning Artocod running for mayor, i find the selection of the image for his election a daring one. I hope it's not a hidden message.

On December 13 2011 00:20 Cwave wrote:


I don't see how it's a good plan to put you two(three) in those positions based on your statements and catchy phrases like "A vote for me is a vote for town victory". I rather put on of you in office and have the other "pro" fight for his spot round 2. That would give me more info then selecting our apparent two "pro players" to get the first two elected spots we have been given.



It's just as equal to any other combo of mayor/pardonner of us all in this game. I never liked the use of statistics(and not factual numbers, say at the near end of a game) to prove ones innocence/town being.



I do very much agree on that!

On December 24 2011 07:22 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
WHERE IS ZENTOR BTW?

On December 24 2011 07:48 GreYMisT wrote:


So, care to enlighten us with who you think we should lynch?

On December 29 2011 23:44 jaj22 wrote:
@zeks: Logically we should have RB'd and killed you on night 3, but I got confused and had two different versions of you bouncing around my head :-)

Good shot anyway.

I was surprised that anyone suspected Deus after his night 3 "chat" with Sheth. I couldn't convince myself to make a case on him after that.