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On December 19 2011 15:03 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
no vigilante on greymist? that's so sad. We got to lynch him, then.
Do we have the doublelynch today? I'd say its good to activate it now.
The fact that people still think there is a double lynch is hilarious.
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@Sheth: I'm a bit null on you at the moment. I can see merit to arctocod's arguments against you, but with the filter function gone I can't quickly examine you on my own.
As far as the whole apparent medic fail goes, as giygas said either the medic was roleblocked, or it fell into mafia hands. Either way the mafia probally know who has that power now. However, this is assuming that another mafia shot got blocked somehow, so there still exists the chance that the maifa double stacked arctocod. Therefore giygas, i do recommend you reveal who you made the medic, however i think you need to wait until the very end of tonight to do so.
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So here is what I'm seeing. just like day2, we should elect someone we are more sure of into the runner-up position, while our next best town read should be put into the main slot. Because we can't elect Giygas or Radfield into there, i would actually suggest risk as number 1. As I said earlier my opinon of him had drifted back to null. I am still unsure of who to put into the runner-up position, perhaps TntP. what are your guys' thoughts?
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On December 19 2011 19:19 Refallen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 03:02 GreYMisT wrote:On December 19 2011 02:22 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
i had refallen on my townlist.
greymist is 95% scum.
will get back to this later and advice annul to post my list 1min before the night ends. Just noting this for now, notice how dues (supersoft) said earlier that he is very good at telling my town from my scum, and because of this he would research me. Now notice how he waits for both arcticod and radfield to voice their suspicions before he posts. If he is so sure I am "95%" scum and he has as good of reads as he claims, why not say this earlier instead of waiting for Arcto and rad? Hardly a point, and you're not exactly helping your case by saying how two very good players think you're scum (one confirmed town, too). Show nested quote +I explained my reasoning earlier about the suggestion for MrZentor as secretary of defense. Remember at that time I thought it was a public rolecheck. I suggested Zentor because:
A. He already claimed his role in thread, allowing us to check if he was Lyning or not.
B. putting someone in who had already claimed would protect other blues from exposure
C. I did not believe any powers were associated with this role Also, this did not make sense at all. The most definite clear choices for the Secretary of Defense and Surgeon were definitely Arc and Giygas, bar none. Your premise of how putting in Zentor would protect other blues is ridiculous. How would that work? Lastly, I for one thought that Zentor's claimed ability was very very believable. Also, evantrees you need to stop nitpicking on minor issues like vote formatting. Lastly, we really shouldn't be discussing modkills here. What's the point of that? For now, I'm leaning towards lynching Greymist.
I'm Glad you didn't actually read my post so I have to explain it again. yay.
I wanted MrZentor in that spot when I believed the position was a public roleclaim. After It was explained to me that that was not the case, I instead supported Giygas and Arctocod for the spot.
None of you seem to be worried at all that the entire thread has decided to lynch me really based on nothing more than "feeling" and "meta." didnt we decide those were not good reasons early on?
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On December 20 2011 03:11 zeks wrote:
No Radfield is getting watched no matter what
Case 1: Radfield is roleblocked
Watcher finds the roleblocker
Case 2: Radfield is not roleblocked
Radfield can medic someone
Case 3: Radfield is scum (however unlikely)
We will know from the watch
Case 4: Radfield is hit
Watcher will know who hit him
The watcher is the key to keeping Radfield tonight
Can you explain how #3 would occur? Cause all a watch does is check who visits the target.
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I understand the filter button is down, but If you look at my posts you can see where I changed my mind about risk.
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On December 16 2011 11:26 GreYMisT wrote:Alright read through Risk's filter again, I have decided to take my vote off of him as my read on him has been reduced to near null. In addition to what has been said that he "is attracting too much attention to play scum effectivly" i have found a few other things he has done that scum would not do. Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 11:47 risk.nuke wrote:On December 15 2011 11:43 evantrees wrote:may have been a similar ability, scum with a variant that needs to be used more than 2 hours beforehand, but could not have been exactly Eiii's apparently since the action on arc was submitted before the 2 hour mark. On December 15 2011 09:21 prplhz wrote:
Was Eiii's District Attorney ability the same as the ability that was used on Arctocod last night? "Welcome to Election Mafia! You are the district attorney! Once per game, you may nullify all election votes for target player. Your action must be submitted within 2 hours of the end of the day cycle. You win with town." + Show Spoiler +[B]On December 14 2011 09:43 kitaman27 wrote:/B] Breaking News!
Front runner candidate Arctocod has announced their withdrawal from the Day One Election! Tune in at 10 for further election coverage and to witness the daily execution LIVE!Arctocod is no longer eligible to be elected day one. All votes against them have been nullified (zbot will not reflect the nullified votes). A little over 2 hours remain in the day. Players who do not vote for an eligible candidate will not be modkilled this cycle.and since I considered it /typed it up earlier may as well post it, didn't want to post it alone for whatever reason. probably a bad Idea. Concerning scum going for pardoner to keep their kp at 3 as long as possible. Conclusion, it was dumb given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup. + Show Spoiler +
not certain by any means on ProfessorBadass one way or another, nor do we know exactly what roles are in this game but can kind of see scum going for pardoner to help keep their kp at 3 for as long as possible would it be worth sacrificing a member I'm not sure.
They would have tonight, maybe lynched townie nights in between, pardoned night and then down to 2 kp when the pardoner gets lynched.
worst case 3/3/2/2 down two scum, 3 vs 14 + medic saves. probably not worth it also
3/3/3/2/2 down two scum 3 vs 11 + medic saves.if another townie lynch.
+days for the other 3 to slip up.
3/3/3/3/2/2 3 vs 8 + medic saves. if we bloody lynch two more townies, even then seems too risky for them to try. given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup.
this is a closed setup, nobody said anything about 3 kp. He posts this and then is told right after that the info is in the OP. if he was scum I would find it highly unlikely that that he would not know the way that kp was calculated is publicly availible. In addition, the way he continuously kept saying that I am scum actually leads me to think he is town, now that i think about it. What would be the purpose of this as scum? to try to start an easy bandwagon against me. however it was obviously not working, as both I and others kept questioning his reasoning. To me a scum player would have stopped after he realized it wasnt working. Risk instead kept pursuing me, and continuously made his opinion known. I still dont agee with the way he has gone about scumhunting this game, but after rereading i am not as sure as i was on him being scum. Instead, I would encourage you to read nyczbrandon's filter. Notice the ways in which he says something while really saying nothing, how he hasnt contributed until he was called out for it, and even then didnt really say much or give a stance on anything. He just gave us 4 targets we were already all aware of, and brought nothing new to the table. My vote goes on nyczbrandon for now.
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On December 20 2011 04:44 Radfield wrote:
That was 5 hours AFTER the post that I quoted, which is where the flip-flop occurred and where you were "not completely sold on the risk being town".
In that time both me and Arctocod had made it clear we felt risk.nuke was a poor lynch.
Who do you think is likely scum? Still the three you previously posted about?
Yes, I expect to find scum in those three players.
Also when you said "public roleclaim" in bold earlier, was that clairifying my misunderstanding of the secretary of defense? or were you actually asking me to roleclaim?
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On December 20 2011 04:49 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 10:08 risk.nuke wrote:On December 14 2011 10:07 GreYMisT wrote:On December 14 2011 10:06 risk.nuke wrote:
Since graymist is voting for him I sure as hell don't want him to be pardoner.
Vote me for pardoner if you belive I'm town. Then atleast you'll know the role is not in scum hands. can you explain this please? I think you are scum. Show nested quote +On December 18 2011 23:28 Radfield wrote:I'll tell you where it leaves me, the same place I have been for a while. Greymist is scum  Show nested quote +On December 18 2011 23:53 Arctocod wrote:
I agree with greymist being a good suspect Radfield. Show nested quote +On December 19 2011 02:22 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
i had refallen on my townlist.
greymist is 95% scum.
will get back to this later and advice annul to post my list 1min before the night ends. And I obviously believe Greymist to be scum as well. So, Greymist, I look forward to hearing reasons why all of us are wrong if you have them.
What was the point of all the quotes? for empahsis? to make me scared?
My only defense is what I have given thus far. a lot of people are citing me changing my mind as the biggest evidence that I am scum. The question is do you believe this was done in a scummy or a town way? A scum player would change their mind to avoid suspicion and to not stand out. I have been doing it based on what i think is right, with complete disregard to how it would make me look.
On another note Im going to vote for you to ensure you get the runner up, as I see most are voting for deus atm.
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On December 20 2011 04:52 Radfield wrote:Also, read that post you just quoted: First you state your read has been reduced to near null. But then you go on to mention a number of points in favor of him being town. Reading that makes it seem like you conclusion is he is town. However you finish with this line: Show nested quote +I still dont agee with the way he has gone about scumhunting this game, but after rereading i am not as sure as i was on him being scum. Your point on him being scummy is that you "don't agree" with how he has been scumhunting. Not that he has acted scummy. That is your only point you make against him, and it is the excuse you give for not having a town read. I don't agree with the way many people scum-hunt, but that has NO BEARING on my read of them. That whole post reads like you think risk.nuke is town, yet don't want to come out and say it. Your only excuse for not having a town read is you "don't agree" with his scumhunting. That is scummy.
By "don't agree" I was refering to the way he continuously tried pushing for my lynch all game long, with 0 reasoning to back it up, and didn't give any when asked for it. That type of scumhunting I do find scummy.
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Also when you spend 2-3 pages pushing me I at least expect a vote on me.
come on.
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On December 20 2011 05:10 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 05:03 GreYMisT wrote:
Also when you spend 2-3 pages pushing me I at least expect a vote on me.
come on. ?
That was directed at radfield.
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On December 20 2011 05:14 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 04:58 GreYMisT wrote:On December 20 2011 04:49 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:On December 14 2011 10:08 risk.nuke wrote:On December 14 2011 10:07 GreYMisT wrote:On December 14 2011 10:06 risk.nuke wrote:
Since graymist is voting for him I sure as hell don't want him to be pardoner.
Vote me for pardoner if you belive I'm town. Then atleast you'll know the role is not in scum hands. can you explain this please? I think you are scum. On December 18 2011 23:28 Radfield wrote:I'll tell you where it leaves me, the same place I have been for a while. Greymist is scum On December 18 2011 23:53 Arctocod wrote:
I agree with greymist being a good suspect Radfield. On December 19 2011 02:22 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
i had refallen on my townlist.
greymist is 95% scum.
will get back to this later and advice annul to post my list 1min before the night ends. And I obviously believe Greymist to be scum as well. So, Greymist, I look forward to hearing reasons why all of us are wrong if you have them. What was the point of all the quotes? for empahsis? to make me scared? My only defense is what I have given thus far. a lot of people are citing me changing my mind as the biggest evidence that I am scum. The question is do you believe this was done in a scummy or a town way? A scum player would change their mind to avoid suspicion and to not stand out. I have been doing it based on what i think is right, with complete disregard to how it would make me look. On another note Im going to vote for you to ensure you get the runner up, as I see most are voting for deus atm. The point was largely for emphasis, and partially because you were claiming the case on you was weak and was just gut feelings and meta. So, a question for you, if syllogism, palmar, radfield, and supersoft all thought someone was scum, and palmar/syllogism were confirmed town, radfield very likely town, and supersoft you were leaning town on as well, what odds would you give on the person they were all accusing actually being scum? In general of course.
What sort of loaded question is this? the question isnt what I believe, I know they are wrong.
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On December 20 2011 05:57 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 05:03 GreYMisT wrote:
Also when you spend 2-3 pages pushing me I at least expect a vote on me.
come on. Additionally, would having my vote on you make my case any stronger? Does my case lose credibility because I haven't put my vote down? Are you really so exasperated that this is what your defense boils down to?
Not a defense, just a side comment.
@ Deus I would suggest nycz.
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On December 20 2011 07:13 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 07:05 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Whats your case against me right now Zentor? I know there is one, I'm just saying, whats yours? Why lynch grey and not myself for instance? Good question! I don't really have a case against you, everybody else does, and I agree with them. Well, currently Grey looks a lot more scummier than you do, and lynching Grey will give clues on whether you are mafia or not, so it would be much better to lynch him first! If you need specifics, prompt me, and I will be glad to spend a lot more of my time engaging in conversation about why it's much better to lynch you than Grey!
Please someone tell me I am imagining this post, and this is not actually one of the reasons I'm being voted for.
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On December 20 2011 07:26 risk.nuke wrote:GreymistBeeing in favor of electing the professor+ Show Spoiler +On December 12 2011 17:05 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 16:53 prplhz wrote:
@DEUS-ex-MAFIA Oh, I thought you said "GO to reread what they've done so far ;-)" like you'd found something and wanted people to seek it out too.
Anyway, I agree that elections should really be locked down as fast as possible, and on Radfield/Arctocod/ProfessorBadass. I don't particularly care too much who we elect among those though I'll strongly recommend Arctocod because that hydra is the best townie in the game, but I'll vote for any of these if it will keep anybody else out of office.
@GreYMisT I personally don't see anything wrong with Radfield endorsing Arctocod in his very own campaign post. Radfield knows that it will be a lot easier for town to win if both of them are elected and both of them are town so this make perfect sense to me, if Arctocod turns out not to be town then no real harm done. What I think is a bit weird is that nobody is endorsing ProfessorBadass since Curu is also pretty good at this game from what I've gathered. Wouldn't you agree with all this GreYMisT? I agree with you that arctocod will most likely be my vote for mayor. Im leaning on electing prof. badass over rad atm, but ultimatly i am ok with either being elected into the pardoner position. the point i mentioned about radfield was just something that stood out to me initially, and sets me off on voting him for mayor. anyway, bedtime, final in a few hours. yay. Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 17:05 GreYMisT wrote:On December 12 2011 16:53 prplhz wrote:
@DEUS-ex-MAFIA Oh, I thought you said "GO to reread what they've done so far ;-)" like you'd found something and wanted people to seek it out too.
Anyway, I agree that elections should really be locked down as fast as possible, and on Radfield/Arctocod/ProfessorBadass. I don't particularly care too much who we elect among those though I'll strongly recommend Arctocod because that hydra is the best townie in the game, but I'll vote for any of these if it will keep anybody else out of office.
@GreYMisT I personally don't see anything wrong with Radfield endorsing Arctocod in his very own campaign post. Radfield knows that it will be a lot easier for town to win if both of them are elected and both of them are town so this make perfect sense to me, if Arctocod turns out not to be town then no real harm done. What I think is a bit weird is that nobody is endorsing ProfessorBadass since Curu is also pretty good at this game from what I've gathered. Wouldn't you agree with all this GreYMisT? I agree with you that arctocod will most likely be my vote for mayor. Im leaning on electing prof. badass over rad atm, but ultimatly i am ok with either being elected into the pardoner position. the point i mentioned about radfield was just something that stood out to me initially, and sets me off on voting him for mayor. anyway, bedtime, final in a few hours. yay. He tries to make a case on Jitsu but for some reason he doesn't ask professor whom he belives is town and should be a good scumhunter for thoughts, he only asks random townies. (That is weird) No, really. Townies ask who they belive are their strongest townreads for thoughts, scum asks random townies to gain towncred with the illusion that they are discussing. He votes for MrZentor who I am sure is town because of his abillity. Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 11:46 GreYMisT wrote:Sheth, compare this from newbie mini mafia: (also day 1/2 if i recall) + Show Spoiler +On November 02 2011 09:04 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm 100% sure Toad is scum.
So to defend myself from your lines of nonsense, the wall of text where it's hard to even know who said what.
You don't like the way I post? Starting the game of with some humor, so people wont get bored and hence less active. How is that anti-town play.
The second one is just a small pressure post aswell as the followup. Nothing more. The fact that you question everything I do while other people are doing the same thing just sugest you have targeted me instead of targeting scummy behavior and that is not town play. Narrowing one person down and claiming everything he does is scummy by angle it or WIFOM is not town play, especially since you're only targeting me because I am the one trying to expose you.
Then you're questioning my activity, trying to make a case of as if it mattered why I couldn't be at a computer long enough to analyze and write. What exacly did I have thrown against me? I am looking through the thread right now and the only thing I find is things you have said which is just omgus. You're just playing on the fact that there are so many people who doesn't go back and read but just swallows what you angle to be true.
Townie priority list.
1. Establish your innocence.
2. Support the right townies.
3. Vote properly.
4. Shut down any attempts to lynch other obvious townies.
5. Shut down attempts to spread doubt or chaos in the thread.
There is no reason for a townie ever to angle anything, that is not their job because it doesn't help them to find scum, only scum ever tries to angle things.
Ofcourse if I call out that nobody is supporting the one beeing lynched then I become his suporter, I waited as long as I dared to do it because I wanted to see if anyone else would and still have time to avert the lynch.
In the second last of my quotes it's really interesting to see which part Toad choose to answer. Ignoring what was clearly the point of that post. I'll come back to this in a second.
I am telling you to explain, the only evidence you have presented on Skrammen is he is scum because I am defending him. You're responses are pretty much You are scum, I have explained YOU ARE SCUM!! What I want is something concrete, like this.
Toad is scum because he is inconsistent to what he says, changes his mind, angle things and when asked for reasoning why he thinks in a certain way he is having a hard time answering something that should be as simple as saying the truth. to this. On December 14 2011 10:08 risk.nuke wrote:On December 14 2011 10:07 GreYMisT wrote:On December 14 2011 10:06 risk.nuke wrote:
Since graymist is voting for him I sure as hell don't want him to be pardoner.
Vote me for pardoner if you belive I'm town. Then atleast you'll know the role is not in scum hands. can you explain this please? I think you are scum. see why we are a bit concerned? He tries to discredit me with some weak metagame analysis. he is comfortable with lynching nisani ( ViceraEyes) Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 11:26 GreYMisT wrote:Alright read through Risk's filter again, I have decided to take my vote off of him as my read on him has been reduced to near null. In addition to what has been said that he "is attracting too much attention to play scum effectivly" i have found a few other things he has done that scum would not do. On December 15 2011 11:47 risk.nuke wrote:On December 15 2011 11:43 evantrees wrote:may have been a similar ability, scum with a variant that needs to be used more than 2 hours beforehand, but could not have been exactly Eiii's apparently since the action on arc was submitted before the 2 hour mark. On December 15 2011 09:21 prplhz wrote:
Was Eiii's District Attorney ability the same as the ability that was used on Arctocod last night? "Welcome to Election Mafia! You are the district attorney! Once per game, you may nullify all election votes for target player. Your action must be submitted within 2 hours of the end of the day cycle. You win with town." + Show Spoiler +On December 14 2011 09:43 kitaman27 wrote:/B]
Breaking News!
Front runner candidate Arctocod has announced their withdrawal from the Day One Election! Tune in at 10 for further election coverage and to witness the daily execution LIVE!
Arctocod is no longer eligible to be elected day one. All votes against them have been nullified (zbot will not reflect the nullified votes). A little over 2 hours remain in the day. Players who do not vote for an eligible candidate will not be modkilled this cycle.
and since I considered it /typed it up earlier may as well post it, didn't want to post it alone for whatever reason. probably a bad Idea. Concerning scum going for pardoner to keep their kp at 3 as long as possible. Conclusion, it was dumb given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup. + Show Spoiler +
not certain by any means on ProfessorBadass one way or another, nor do we know exactly what roles are in this game but can kind of see scum going for pardoner to help keep their kp at 3 for as long as possible would it be worth sacrificing a member I'm not sure.
They would have tonight, maybe lynched townie nights in between, pardoned night and then down to 2 kp when the pardoner gets lynched.
worst case 3/3/2/2 down two scum, 3 vs 14 + medic saves. probably not worth it also
3/3/3/2/2 down two scum 3 vs 11 + medic saves.if another townie lynch.
+days for the other 3 to slip up.
3/3/3/3/2/2 3 vs 8 + medic saves. if we bloody lynch two more townies, even then seems too risky for them to try. given how much is probably up in the air concerning roles and upcoming elections due to the closed setup.
this is a closed setup, nobody said anything about 3 kp. He posts this and then is told right after that the info is in the OP. if he was scum I would find it highly unlikely that that he would not know the way that kp was calculated is publicly availible. In addition, the way he continuously kept saying that I am scum actually leads me to think he is town, now that i think about it. What would be the purpose of this as scum? to try to start an easy bandwagon against me. however it was obviously not working, as both I and others kept questioning his reasoning. To me a scum player would have stopped after he realized it wasnt working. Risk instead kept pursuing me, and continuously made his opinion known. I still dont agee with the way he has gone about scumhunting this game, but after rereading i am not as sure as i was on him being scum. Instead, I would encourage you to read nyczbrandon's filter. Notice the ways in which he says something while really saying nothing, how he hasnt contributed until he was called out for it, and even then didnt really say much or give a stance on anything. He just gave us 4 targets we were already all aware of, and brought nothing new to the table. My vote goes on nyczbrandon for now. When he says he is changing his mind about me he first calls me null-read and then he says he thinks I am town. This entire post is an attempt to appease me. Greymist says this, to try and win me over. Since Townie A who gets called a townie gets less suspicious of Person B who said he says he thinks Townie A is town. The part involving me is just some weird singled out points to disguise the real purpose of the post. The point of this post was to discreetly call me town so I would stop tunneling him. You might say that he would do that even if he was town because nobody wants to be tunneled but no, this only makes sense if he KNOWS I am town. Because if I were scum when this post got put put under the magnifying glass those weak points could get him lynched ergo you don't do this unless you KNOW. He is reluctant to lynch the professor Here we're at it again, he keeps beliving the professor is town but his posts doesn't show any real strenght behind his belifes, they are just there when it's voting time. Conclusion: Mafia
Can you show me where i was reluctant to lynch the professor?
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yea ninjaed. I just got excited that risk had posted a case on me.
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On December 20 2011 08:15 risk.nuke wrote:
"Arcto I understand your suspicions of curu, but do you really feel confident in lynching him based on the little you provided? Why him and not some of the other candidates we have presented?" - greymist
"How can you expect us to agree to lynch curu when you openly admit to being lazy and not putting effort info other cases, and then saying you will only "Probally" give your reasoning. Just because you are very likely town does not excuse you."
- greymist
"I am holding off on voting prof. badass until arctocod can give their reasoning. Weren't you the one a few pages back who said we need to not follow you guys blindly?" - greymist
At that point arcto had not given any sort of reasoning whatsoever, and had just told us to vote for him. Is it wrong to want to know why? If you have not noticed I don't like it when people don't explain why we should do something, and just expect us to follow like sheep.
example one: you saying im scum all game.
example two: see the above 3 quotes.
After ProfBadass started freaking out, I voted for him, just as most of us did.
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On December 20 2011 08:17 zeks wrote:
sheth always has to make it hard to not vote for him every single cycle rofl
is something stopping you? Your post implies that you believe he is town and just saying scummy things in your eyes. is this true?
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