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On December 20 2011 08:21 Liquid`Sheth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 08:15 Jitsu wrote:
Well, i'm a new one to the lynch GreYMisT train, but I do have this simple question.
Why are you two so buddy-buddy? I don't think hes Mafia so I'm trying to point out if someone isn't using logic when making a case against him. If it was a case based on logic I'd definetly be cool for killing him, but I'm worried atm.
Well, I think Radfield hit on it before. The mafia count right now is 14 Town: 3 Mafia. The Mafia is starting to feel the noose around the neck, so they are doing anything possible to stay alive and keep the noose from getting any tighter.
Now, this is where I sit. I believe that there is a slew of evidence against GreY. I think that he might, in all likelyhood, be a mafia player. My question is why are you doing everything you can to keep people FROM voting for him? This massive mindset of "Vote GreY" is really picking up speed. Why do you think he is innocent? What makes you think he's NOT guilty, to counter why he is guilty?
The noose tightens.
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On December 20 2011 07:23 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 07:18 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:On December 19 2011 22:57 Radfield wrote:
yeah, I'm pretty sure dues-ex is town. So I'd say him as Police Chief and risk.nuke as Prankster. I am not sure about risk though... I just filtered him and I saw that he asked the medics to protect Dropbear (=bum=GF) because he's a good player night1. Later on he admits, that he never played with DB before... (or at least saw him in action) I'd prefer zeks tbh. Would you have an issue with me being elected to one of the positions?
no but zeks is my number one.
@risk, i dont think you're scum, but i got this from zeks:
On December 14 2011 10:42 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 10:32 ProfessorBadass wrote:On December 14 2011 10:27 zeks wrote:On December 14 2011 10:24 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
yeah, i see the arcto ability.
okay. who did radfield want lynched and who did arcto want lynched? Radfield has been highly suspicious of ProfessorBA Arcto has been suspicious of Sheth The timing of when ProfessorBA came out to run and the fact that he got so much more active during this time period concerns me Voting deus Go look through past games and find where supersoft has -ever- been killed as a Townie. If he is Town then you are giving minimal benefits whereas if he is Mafia then you are fucking the Town. High risk low reward. You have not said a word against me before but now all of a sudden you think I am Mafia because Radfield said so? If I am Town then you ensure I cannot get shot, if I am Mafia then I am putting myself under serious pressure by being in office. Yeah I haven't been that active over the past few days because I've been playing DotA 2 nonstop with Mig. Mig hasn't been online at all this past day so here I am. 79.) supersoft - Vanilla TownieKilled night 2 XLVII As I said the timing of when you came out to run is fishy and how suddenly you've already gathered a couple votes As you also said pardoner is a strong role for scum to have. Although he is putting himself under high pressure its high risk high reward. Pardoner can defend himself with words but no way for town to stop a pardoner with pardoning (although we can lynch the pardoner collectively there is no way to stop the action from being done). It is safe to assume Arc is probably silenced for the duration of night Your point of restricting voting to only the hydras I agree with totally Nisani wagon gaining momentum?
he pointed out that Curu was lazy/lying. You don't do that to your teammates. You give them time to correct themselves and you PM them such a thing.
Especially when a fairly new player sees this out of a veteran who is also in his scumteam.
Blargh. iphoneposting etc.
zeks is town.
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On December 20 2011 08:28 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 07:59 Liquid`Sheth wrote:On December 20 2011 07:43 MrZentor wrote:On December 20 2011 07:16 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
Please do. Prompt Prompt. I have to go for a while and will be way too tired when I get back to explain in full, so I will summarize quickly and try to get the full report tomorrow. Grey led the town to elect PBA. He hasn't really helped the town at all. He has committed several mistakes(such as thinking secretary of defense was a public role check) that led to time being wasted explaining his mistake to him. This all makes him pretty suspicious. You look pretty suspicious, because you seem to be illogical(not that I am) and tried to defend the godfather without any real reason. Now you are defending Grey, and it seems you don't have any real reasons behind your thoughts. This means if Grey flips scum, it will confirm that you are a scum and should be lynched. If Grey flips town, it will make you seem a less guilty. We could kill you, but Grey seems more suspicious; I don't think we have a good enough case for your death. Yet. I think electing PBA was the obvious smart move, I dont see how that can make someone scum. Maybe TNTP or Deus would have been elected if they were posting at all then, but I dont think they were. I defended ProfBA because there was no real logic behind the claim that he was mafia it was just "errandor doesn't post when hes mafia" and a few other points that were correct, but really impossible to know without having played plenty of games with erran/curu I geuss. So I don't see how Grey or myself should have known this was true. And whether or not Grey flips scum shouldn't confirm I am scum or that I'm less guilty. I just want to use logic and I think MarserBlood (jj2a or somethingw now), Comprissent, Cascades and whoever else aren't posting at all and check them for scum. Nycz or w/e too. I'm really unhappy with how Cascades looks atm and would love to hear Radfields or Jj2a's oppinions on his filter. I'm not happy with linching Greymist today. Its not that theres no real logic, you're just not reading or comprehending any of it ProfBA's lynch was not completely on meta First of all him coming out of the woodworks and asking for pardoner position at a perfect timing after Arc got taken out should've been an indication to you The fact that he gave up so easily and played the frustrated townie is another indication The fact that he has barely contributed to any town discussion is an indication You can take meta for what its worth and sometimes you should trust the vets Do we really need to spell it out for you ? If you thought there was no logic behind the claim that he's mafia you think we got him on luck?
I get that there all small things that add up to it. Those posts we were talking about however was done before he gave up. I thought he contributed quite a bit to town when he was here. Just was inactive quite a bit, I think the same can be said for TNTP, when hes here hes really helpful, but hes randomly here or not.
And yes I don't think its luck, but Arctocod never used any of those as reasoning for voting him off, except for that he came out as pardoner perfectly, which I now see was a great tell that he was mafia, but it made sense from town as well. I'm working on it Zeks. =/
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On December 16 2011 11:56 nyczbrandon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 11:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
nyc, here's a homework assignment:
Go look through zeks' posts, and as you're reading them, consider "Would scum say this?" and write the answer that comes to your head, and give the reasons why you think that.
Then, when you're done with that, go through Sheth's posts and do the same thing.
Then, when you're done with that, go through risk.nuke's posts and do the same thing.
Then, after you've done all 3 of us, come back and post your findings.
If you post ANYTHING that even RESEMBLES a defense of your lurking again, I'm going to insta-vote you. Stop lurking. Start helping. Or hang by the neck until dead. okay sure
This is who I want dead.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=138684
Earlier on in day2 i posted some thoughts about him. But Im going to sum them up real nice.
Doesnt take a stance on anything at all unless forced to by another player.
Lurks
Admits to sheeping radfield
When he does post his "opinions" they are skeleton cases in which nothing is really said.
Now lets look at the above quote. Remember when Viscera posted this? thats right a freaking while ago. This is also the final post in nycz's filter. thats right, After Viscera died, his pressure was gone, forgotten. So why post about it again? He has had more than ample time to respond, so why hasnt he? a townie would have at least responded to some of it, to get his opinion out there. Instead he has not. Because he is a lurker, he is going to post his thoughts after this post, as the pressure is now back on, But i still want to emphasis how much time he has had to honor VE's wishes.
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On December 20 2011 08:34 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 07:23 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:On December 20 2011 07:18 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:On December 19 2011 22:57 Radfield wrote:
yeah, I'm pretty sure dues-ex is town. So I'd say him as Police Chief and risk.nuke as Prankster. I am not sure about risk though... I just filtered him and I saw that he asked the medics to protect Dropbear (=bum=GF) because he's a good player night1. Later on he admits, that he never played with DB before... (or at least saw him in action) I'd prefer zeks tbh. Would you have an issue with me being elected to one of the positions? no but zeks is my number one. @risk, i dont think you're scum, but i got this from zeks: Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 10:42 zeks wrote:On December 14 2011 10:32 ProfessorBadass wrote:On December 14 2011 10:27 zeks wrote:On December 14 2011 10:24 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
yeah, i see the arcto ability.
okay. who did radfield want lynched and who did arcto want lynched? Radfield has been highly suspicious of ProfessorBA Arcto has been suspicious of Sheth The timing of when ProfessorBA came out to run and the fact that he got so much more active during this time period concerns me Voting deus Go look through past games and find where supersoft has -ever- been killed as a Townie. If he is Town then you are giving minimal benefits whereas if he is Mafia then you are fucking the Town. High risk low reward. You have not said a word against me before but now all of a sudden you think I am Mafia because Radfield said so? If I am Town then you ensure I cannot get shot, if I am Mafia then I am putting myself under serious pressure by being in office. Yeah I haven't been that active over the past few days because I've been playing DotA 2 nonstop with Mig. Mig hasn't been online at all this past day so here I am. 79.) supersoft - Vanilla TownieKilled night 2 XLVII As I said the timing of when you came out to run is fishy and how suddenly you've already gathered a couple votes As you also said pardoner is a strong role for scum to have. Although he is putting himself under high pressure its high risk high reward. Pardoner can defend himself with words but no way for town to stop a pardoner with pardoning (although we can lynch the pardoner collectively there is no way to stop the action from being done). It is safe to assume Arc is probably silenced for the duration of night Your point of restricting voting to only the hydras I agree with totally Nisani wagon gaining momentum? he pointed out that Curu was lazy/lying. You don't do that to your teammates. You give them time to correct themselves and you PM them such a thing. Especially when a fairly new player sees this out of a veteran who is also in his scumteam. Blargh. iphoneposting etc. zeks is town.
Pfft, I was calling out the professor before it was cool
On December 13 2011 17:12 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:On a note related to lacking activity: + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2011 17:34 ProfessorBadass wrote:
Why am I running for Mayor?
I am infinitely smart, suave, charismatic, modest, able, active, amazing, modest, and honest. And Erandorr's not bad either.
Anyone who has played with me will know I give my all in regards to activity and scumhunting every game that I am in. I will never avoid the game or lose interest. My biggest pet peeve ever is Townies who expect to be mindlessly carried or don't keep an active interest in the game.
Am I a better player than syllogism/Palmar/Radfield? Probably not. But I would not say I am bad either; in nearly all games where I was Town I have rooted out at least one scum and played a part in Town victories. I believe I am more than capable of contributing to Town and I know that I am Town; I do not know that about them.
In regards to Arctocod and Radfield, I would very strongly prefer Arctocod simply based on meta. Palmar's scum play is relatively disinterested and obvious and syllogism's consists of never posting anything. Radfield is a different story though, he twirled the Town around his fingers in LOTR Mafia, securing multiple mislynches and leading the Town by the nose. He would have led Mafia into a crushing victory had a third party not taken him out of the game during the night.
Having only two real candidates for mayor/pardoner makes me uneasy, but I even more dislike the half-assed mayoral campaign that promises activity and follows it up by being inactive. Can any player who has played with them (Curu/Erandorr) before give some insight as to how active they generally are as town versus scum? And to Curu/Erandorr, any particular reason for the lack of activity? And why did you run for mayor and then put no effort into it?
On December 14 2011 09:57 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:
My best guess would be this is some kind of scum power-role that made them (Arctocod) ineligible for office.
Since my original candidate of choice is no longer eligible, I will be voting for Deus for pardoner as I think they are likely to be targeted early on, and I have more of a town leaning on them than I do on ProfessorBadass, whom I am still slightly suspicious of.
/Harbinger /hipster
But I agree with you that Zeks is very likely to be town.
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I will be voting for nycz this cycle, If that was not already clear.
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I thought zeks was town before you did.
/hipster
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On December 20 2011 08:48 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I thought zeks was town before you did.
/hipster
-_- you hated me for the longest time
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On December 20 2011 08:53 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 08:48 Liquid`Sheth wrote:
I thought zeks was town before you did.
/hipster -_- you hated me for the longest time
Yep! But hey, I loved you after it!
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Weak defense, and totally ignored my statement.
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the profbadasslynch was based on several things.
- first of all, the setup is somehow balanced. That means that there are good players in the scumteam and good players in the town. Curu, radfield, palmogism, prplhz and I are too much. (meh)
- erandorrs afkness. He normally scumhunts at least when called out. (meh)
- the withdraw of Palmogism and his sudden appearance when everyone else was asleep.
- His overall behaviour. He wasn't working with us. There was no connection between the town and him. He treated us like enemys. The whole time. He played against Palmar and Syllo and you felt that. Curus townmeta is completely different. He's arrogant and hates scum aswell as Palmar. This game he just didn't care about scum. He just played along. Easylynch day1 etc. etc. etc.
- His mayoral campaign: It was a joke. Towncuru would have fought for that position, because he knows about the setupbalancing.
So many things. That case was 100% even before he did that stupid anonymus message thing lol.
(a role he had in his lotr-mafia aswell for scum :D)
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@Greymist: Can you guess who the three last reamaining scumteammembers are?
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On December 20 2011 08:55 Jitsu wrote:
Weak defense, and totally ignored my statement.
What did I ignore?
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On December 20 2011 08:55 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
the profbadasslynch was based on several things.
- first of all, the setup is somehow balanced. That means that there are good players in the scumteam and good players in the town. Curu, radfield, palmogism, prplhz and I are too much. (meh)
- erandorrs afkness. He normally scumhunts at least when called out. (meh)
- the withdraw of Palmogism and his sudden appearance when everyone else was asleep.
- His overall behaviour. He wasn't working with us. There was no connection between the town and him. He treated us like enemys. The whole time. He played against Palmar and Syllo and you felt that. Curus townmeta is completely different. He's arrogant and hates scum aswell as Palmar. This game he just didn't care about scum. He just played along. Easylynch day1 etc. etc. etc.
- His mayoral campaign: It was a joke. Towncuru would have fought for that position, because he knows about the setupbalancing.
So many things. That case was 100% even before he did that stupid anonymus message thing lol.
(a role he had in his lotr-mafia aswell for scum :D)
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@Greymist: Can you guess who the three last reamaining scumteammembers are?
Again, I was just prompting Arcto to give me his reasoning. I hate it when people just say "dude is scum." Does nothing for us.
I mean I can guess that there would be scum in Evantrees, Nyczbrandon, and Cascades. For right now thats what i got.
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Who stopped MrZentor and Nisani bandwagons. Who saw through the scum plans and called out Curu when palmar withdrew. I've read this game better then anyone else, I should be Prankster. Period.
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On December 14 2011 09:52 GreYMisT wrote:
prp other than lurking, is there anything else they have done to warrent your suspicion?
I will be voting professor badass for pardone. He is the other (aside from radfield) who is most likely to be shot tonight, as i know curu + errandor can be troubling for scum later on in the game.
I want to see the game where erandorr was troubling for scum.
I want to see the game where curu was troubling for scum.
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baseless assumption. You can do it better ;-)
On December 17 2011 04:10 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 03:54 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
Risk and Grey my dear friends. You vote Prof. Badass right now please.
Furthermore I want your opinion on Zeks and totallynottwopeople. I'd like to hear your opinions on zeks and TntP as well while we are at it. I already mentioned what i thought of zeks earlier, but came to the conclusion that he was pretty null in my eyes for the time being. at the moment TntP is not the scummiest candidate out there, but there are a few iffy things he has done, such as publicly announcing that he is letting his friend decide all the votes, which would absolve them of responsibility (thats just another way of playing the newbie card to get out of things). Regardless, the way he is pressuring me seems quite genuine, and the result is that I think there are more important targets out there for us to chase. To humor you though I will read all there stuff in depth when i get the time. I am holding off on voting prof. badass until arctocod can give their reasoning. Weren't you the one a few pages back who said we need to not follow you guys blindly?
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On December 20 2011 09:04 risk.nuke wrote:
Who stopped MrZentor and Nisani bandwagons. Who saw through the scum plans and called out Curu when palmar withdrew. I've read this game better then anyone else, I should be Prankster. Period.
risk. Read your own filter dude. You had some serious errors in your play.
actually I don't care who get's prankster as long as it's noone of my likely-scum-list.
But zeks is my favourite.
I never said you're scum, zeks is just my strongest townread.
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On December 20 2011 09:04 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 09:52 GreYMisT wrote:
prp other than lurking, is there anything else they have done to warrent your suspicion?
I will be voting professor badass for pardone. He is the other (aside from radfield) who is most likely to be shot tonight, as i know curu + errandor can be troubling for scum later on in the game. I want to see the game where erandorr was troubling for scum. I want to see the game where curu was troubling for scum. _________________ baseless assumption. You can do it better ;-) Show nested quote +On December 17 2011 04:10 GreYMisT wrote:On December 17 2011 03:54 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
Risk and Grey my dear friends. You vote Prof. Badass right now please.
Furthermore I want your opinion on Zeks and totallynottwopeople. I'd like to hear your opinions on zeks and TntP as well while we are at it. I already mentioned what i thought of zeks earlier, but came to the conclusion that he was pretty null in my eyes for the time being. at the moment TntP is not the scummiest candidate out there, but there are a few iffy things he has done, such as publicly announcing that he is letting his friend decide all the votes, which would absolve them of responsibility (thats just another way of playing the newbie card to get out of things). Regardless, the way he is pressuring me seems quite genuine, and the result is that I think there are more important targets out there for us to chase. To humor you though I will read all there stuff in depth when i get the time. I am holding off on voting prof. badass until arctocod can give their reasoning. Weren't you the one a few pages back who said we need to not follow you guys blindly?
Whats up with the quote at the end? all it validates is what I said about not wanting to blindly sheep people.
Who should I have voted in? you? show me the game where you were troubling to scum.
As far as I am aware the only games I have played with Curu were one's where he was scum. However during those games he played very well, and I took that to mean he was a good player.
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i pointed out why it was so obvious that curu was scum.
You said he can be troubling for scum later in the game:
You defend his sloppy play there!!! You say he may not be useful right now, but later on.
That's completely wrong! Curu is playing strong from the beginning if he's town.
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i got to sleep now. I want you to read your own filter... after that, you decide for yourself if your scumplay this game was good enough to survive the day3lynch :-(
(no it wasnt)
:D
cu tomorrow
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On December 20 2011 07:54 Cwave wrote:
As i said, Refallen for his "panic" vote as he self proclaims. But in my eyes it's a scum commanded vote he did there.
Nyc for being very inactive most of the time but just above the lurk threshold. He also trained on Spaackles and as far as i can remember he voted Profb in office. zentor back on the target list as for what he just wrote. Fluff and dribble and Seth even calls him out/prompt. As for you yourself you seem to have given yourself an overseer position who puts the unknown players to work. I like it. Doesnt make you green which i hope you are.
Question back, if Grey flips town who should we go for or pressure? Anyone tied to his faith?
If he flips town? I don't think that would be particularly implicating of anyone. If he flips red Sheth will look really bad having defended both the professor and greymist. As for who to go after next, I am not decided on that yet. I would really like to hear more from any of those in the sub-3-pages of filter club. And by hear more I mean hear their top scum reads with explanations.
On December 20 2011 08:44 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 11:56 nyczbrandon wrote:On December 16 2011 11:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
nyc, here's a homework assignment:
Go look through zeks' posts, and as you're reading them, consider "Would scum say this?" and write the answer that comes to your head, and give the reasons why you think that.
Then, when you're done with that, go through Sheth's posts and do the same thing.
Then, when you're done with that, go through risk.nuke's posts and do the same thing.
Then, after you've done all 3 of us, come back and post your findings.
If you post ANYTHING that even RESEMBLES a defense of your lurking again, I'm going to insta-vote you. Stop lurking. Start helping. Or hang by the neck until dead. okay sure This is who I want dead. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=138684Earlier on in day2 i posted some thoughts about him. But Im going to sum them up real nice. Doesnt take a stance on anything at all unless forced to by another player. Lurks Admits to sheeping radfield When he does post his "opinions" they are skeleton cases in which nothing is really said. Now lets look at the above quote. Remember when Viscera posted this? thats right a freaking while ago. This is also the final post in nycz's filter. thats right, After Viscera died, his pressure was gone, forgotten. So why post about it again? He has had more than ample time to respond, so why hasnt he? a townie would have at least responded to some of it, to get his opinion out there. Instead he has not. Because he is a lurker, he is going to post his thoughts after this post, as the pressure is now back on, But i still want to emphasis how much time he has had to honor VE's wishes.
Let's not worry about potential scum that hasn't posted in the thread for the past 4 days, mmk? I'm sure he is well on his way to being modkilled or replaced. If he is replaced and not mod-killed, we can deal with it then, sound good?
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