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On December 21 2011 05:46 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 05:12 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
Has anyone else except zentor the ability to extend the day?
evantress is town
Greymist is town
zentor is town if noone counterclaims.
3 scummembers left, one is RB for sure, one is goon for sure.
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i suggest we massclaim right now?
Radfield, your opinion please. Mafia had a godfather, presumably this means we have some form of detective role that isn't just a tracker (that one already flipped). I'd rather have scum have to make a decision between shooting town leaders/"confirmed" town and trying to find that person. That being said, if anyone has a role identical or nearly identical to giygas, I would love to hear a claim.
In steamship we had a medic on our scumteam, however no one on the town had any kp ability.
Im not saying we don't have a DT, however the fact that one has not claimed any useful info at this point means that we should not assume.
Also deus why do you want the watcher position? wouldn't you agree that anyone we are sure of being town would work for that?
I would suggest evantrees actually. He used his ability, which is the parralell to curu's. This makes him pretty townie in my eyes. My idea of an optimal night would be evantrees in the elected position, me in the prankster postion, and radfield healing deus. In this way mafia would have to double stack deus, in which case we force them to waste a kp, or we force them to roleblock radfield, and we catch the roleblocker.
thoughts?
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Oh and cascades, i know typing ##Vote in the election thread is fun and all, but can we at least hear a reason you are voting for sheth?
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On December 21 2011 06:20 Radfield wrote:OK, so it makes sense to vote in deus-ex as Police Chief. He becomes protected and can watch me. Greymist we know is town given that there has been no counter-claim, therefore he should be the prankster. Given that he can no longer protect, he does not need the protection of PC. I'm mildly ok with lynching cascades, but I would prefer to lynch comprissent. I think both of them are better lynches than nyczbrandon though. Show nested quote +Guys! This game is basically over. If someone is on my redlist with a bluerole: CLAIM.
If someone has a similar role as the people on my bolded green-list: CLAIM. I agree with this, and mainly agree with your list.
what do you think of evantrees in the PC position, and you healing deus?
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On December 21 2011 06:23 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 06:22 GreYMisT wrote:On December 21 2011 06:20 Radfield wrote:OK, so it makes sense to vote in deus-ex as Police Chief. He becomes protected and can watch me. Greymist we know is town given that there has been no counter-claim, therefore he should be the prankster. Given that he can no longer protect, he does not need the protection of PC. I'm mildly ok with lynching cascades, but I would prefer to lynch comprissent. I think both of them are better lynches than nyczbrandon though. Guys! This game is basically over. If someone is on my redlist with a bluerole: CLAIM.
If someone has a similar role as the people on my bolded green-list: CLAIM. I agree with this, and mainly agree with your list. what do you think of evantrees in the PC position, and you healing deus? In this scenario, they will shoot you :-/
True, my way would be a gamble that prankster is a role i can get the most out of even if im shot.
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On December 21 2011 06:26 DEUS-ex-MAFIA wrote:
optimal play to protect radfield, me and the new prankster (Greymist):
I go for PC, and watch Rad.
Rad saves Grey
one of the other green guys on my list will get shot and we continue to lynch scum
= win.
The problem here is that, while i dont think you are scum, I am way more sure that evantrees is town at this point. It is absolutly critical that we get a watch off on radfield tonight, and the best way to do that is place a very confirmed townie in that position. If we do it this way scum need to make a choice. They have to either shoot me in the prankster position, and hope it was an information role, or double stack you.
Both plans will "work" but Im more comforatble with mine atm because i am not as sold on your aleignment as i am evantrees
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On December 21 2011 06:32 zeks wrote:
btw i have security of defense power from Arc
and this wasnt shared earlier.....why?
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On December 21 2011 06:33 zeks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 06:33 GreYMisT wrote:On December 21 2011 06:32 zeks wrote:
btw i have security of defense power from Arc and this wasnt shared earlier.....why? clearly it is much safer for me to do it now
eh, fair enough. you all were kinda preoccupied earlier in the day.;
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Alright just read all of cascade's posts in detail and I have some things to share.
Look over his filter, notice how he is continuoulsy trying to discredit arcto and radfield. later he focuses just on arcto. In fact, almost every single one of his posts have been about the vets in this game. Werid huh?
Next lets talk about his relations with the goddamned batman Bumatlarge and Curu.
Radfield: Has been active and has good content in posts, being helpful. Based on posts alone, I think he is most likely of all the vets to be townie.
Arc: Very good activity. Has to elaborate and give reasoning for most posts though. "Cos I say so" doesn't cut it.
Deus: He used to post simple one-liners. That doesn't help us much. He has put in more effort in his posts since then though.
ProfBad: Bursts of activity. While he was here, he was active in helping find scum. Needs to be more involved though so that we can get something done.
Dropbear/bumatlarge: Bad activity. Only came out to respond when accused. That would be really suspicious if it wasn't for the fact he got replaced, so there's somewhat a reason for that activity. Neverthless, I will be watching his replacement closely.
Notice in particular his comments directed towards ProfBad and Bum. notice how by saying what he is, he isnt trying to start a lynch train and nothing is really accusitory. However by saying things like "needs to get more involved so we can get some something done" and "watching his replacement closely" he sets himself up to bus them later if need be. It also serves to provide alternate reasoning, to perhaps save them from a lynch later on.
Finally, during the time period when i was up for lynch, He posts this:
On December 20 2011 20:42 cascades wrote:
As a matter of principle, I don't like Greymist's defence. He said that he is not remaining tight lipped, but I don't see him contributing anything new for town - he's just repeating his previous scumtells. Evantrees and I have already posted a refutation, so I suggest you guys go look at that instead of trying to jump on an invalid bandwagon.
This is not important in light of his roleclaim though.
If you are Medic ROLECLAIM NOW. Mafia cannot afford to trade 1 for 1 and lose a KP.
This game is an easy town victory at this point. All town needs to do is to play safe.
Barring any other counterclaims, vote Greymist for PC instead. PC is immune to night actions and cannot be roleblocked. Hence we get the use of Greymist medic powers. With this, we even have the option to WIFOM mafia, but again, we don't need to.
It doesn't matter that Greymist is PC instead. He watches Radfield. He doesn't do it he gets lynched next day.
Even though this post itself would not be suspicious the fact that he did not vote for me, and yet still said that my defense was not convincing is. If my defense was bad, as he kept claiming, why not vote for me? oh right, so he could say near the end of the day "guys i think grey is town" and gain towncred.
In conclusion I am fine with either Cascades or nycz today.
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Also, some people still have to vote me in the election thread so i get pardoner, preferably about 3.
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On December 21 2011 06:54 GreYMisT wrote:
Also, some people still have to vote me in the election thread so i get pardoner, preferably about 3.
by pardoner i mean the runner up position...
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I prefer Cascades over comprissent atm, unless radfield or deus can tell me why they favor comp.
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On December 21 2011 08:30 Liquid`Sheth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 08:29 GreYMisT wrote:
I prefer Cascades over comprissent atm, unless radfield or deus can tell me why they favor comp. They havn't really told me why they don't want NYCZ either. Who would you have killed if Deus / TNTP hadn't said anything?
Both nycz and cascades were on my top 3 list a few days ago, I was fine with either
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We cannot do a no lynch, and do you really have no better targets that you would suggest that?
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On December 21 2011 11:15 Refallen wrote:
Why is cascades suddenly a prime target for lynching? I really think he's town.
You've only typed the word "cascades" twice this entire game, and once was in the above post.
Its less than an hour before the lynch, at this point "i think he is town" does not suffice.
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On December 21 2011 11:25 Refallen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 11:18 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:On December 21 2011 11:15 Refallen wrote:
Why is cascades suddenly a prime target for lynching? I really think he's town. How do you have a good town read on a guy with a filter that doesn't even reach page 2? Please, quote what makes you think he is town. Even though some of his posts has been accusing Palmar/Radfield of being scum and defending them, I think if you read the entirety of his filter, there seems to be a common theme in the sense that this is a guy who likes to form his own opinion instead of sheeping the other vets, and is wary of trusting the vets too much. Quotes like Show nested quote +Now spaackle has turned up innocent, and a blue too. If I was to redo my lynch, would I lynch spaackle again? The answer is yes. Though I was uncertain, he was the best option at that time, better than MrZentor. For the information of those who were not there near voting deadline, the two leading votegetters were MrZentor and spaackle. MrZentor had "softclaimed" blue so to speak. That left us spaackle. We had to vote and lynch for information. Certainly, we took an "easy lynch" so to speak, but the risk was worth it if we managed to catch a scum. Though we failed, it is expected as day 1 mafia lynches are rare apparently. Show nested quote +
Look, I know we made a mistake. Still, this post says nothing except "I was so sure spaackle was townie and I was right" If another townie made this, what would you think of it? When you call people out town, you are automatically correct?
Firstly, BOTH ProfBadass and Radfield agreed he was a good lynch. And while you said spaackle was town, it was a sentence throwaway that was easily missed and not justified. Radfield gave his reasoning so we switched away from MrZentor.
Secondly, spaackle continued posting after you went to bed. He could and did post stuff that affected people's reads on him.
I'm disappointed. This post would feel scummy coming from a vet if it wasn't for the fact I feel you are basically confirmed right now.
dosen't seem like he's showing any fear, which I think is protown. Kind of like Sheth, he's been pretty active about asking people to post cases and will follow his own lynch targets instead of sheeping people. That's the feeling I got from him. (Also since we're both from Singapore it's highly likely that he's asleep and won't be able to defend himself and for the past 8 hours, since it's early morning here.)
What do you think of the other 2 top candidates at the moment? I see you voted comprissint without saying anything in the thread. are you still as suspicious of sheth as you were previously?
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I should definatly be getting a PM that tells me what prankster does right?
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You couldn't even have him flip red?
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I know there was someone posting that they thought nycz was town, if someone could tell me who that person was that would be awesome.
I still think cascades is scummy, but I'm going to look over jitsu again, I have not visited his thoughts for a while.
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On December 21 2011 13:07 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 13:07 GreYMisT wrote:
I know there was someone posting that they thought nycz was town, if someone could tell me who that person was that would be awesome.
I still think cascades is scummy, but I'm going to look over jitsu again, I have not visited his thoughts for a while. It was me.
I'm having some trouble finding it, is this the post you were talking about?:
On December 20 2011 09:16 TotallyNotTwoPeople wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 07:54 Cwave wrote:
As i said, Refallen for his "panic" vote as he self proclaims. But in my eyes it's a scum commanded vote he did there.
Nyc for being very inactive most of the time but just above the lurk threshold. He also trained on Spaackles and as far as i can remember he voted Profb in office. zentor back on the target list as for what he just wrote. Fluff and dribble and Seth even calls him out/prompt. As for you yourself you seem to have given yourself an overseer position who puts the unknown players to work. I like it. Doesnt make you green which i hope you are.
Question back, if Grey flips town who should we go for or pressure? Anyone tied to his faith? If he flips town? I don't think that would be particularly implicating of anyone. If he flips red Sheth will look really bad having defended both the professor and greymist. As for who to go after next, I am not decided on that yet. I would really like to hear more from any of those in the sub-3-pages of filter club. And by hear more I mean hear their top scum reads with explanations. Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 08:44 GreYMisT wrote:On December 16 2011 11:56 nyczbrandon wrote:On December 16 2011 11:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
nyc, here's a homework assignment:
Go look through zeks' posts, and as you're reading them, consider "Would scum say this?" and write the answer that comes to your head, and give the reasons why you think that.
Then, when you're done with that, go through Sheth's posts and do the same thing.
Then, when you're done with that, go through risk.nuke's posts and do the same thing.
Then, after you've done all 3 of us, come back and post your findings.
If you post ANYTHING that even RESEMBLES a defense of your lurking again, I'm going to insta-vote you. Stop lurking. Start helping. Or hang by the neck until dead. okay sure This is who I want dead. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291720&user=138684Earlier on in day2 i posted some thoughts about him. But Im going to sum them up real nice. Doesnt take a stance on anything at all unless forced to by another player. Lurks Admits to sheeping radfield When he does post his "opinions" they are skeleton cases in which nothing is really said. Now lets look at the above quote. Remember when Viscera posted this? thats right a freaking while ago. This is also the final post in nycz's filter. thats right, After Viscera died, his pressure was gone, forgotten. So why post about it again? He has had more than ample time to respond, so why hasnt he? a townie would have at least responded to some of it, to get his opinion out there. Instead he has not. Because he is a lurker, he is going to post his thoughts after this post, as the pressure is now back on, But i still want to emphasis how much time he has had to honor VE's wishes. Let's not worry about potential scum that hasn't posted in the thread for the past 4 days, mmk? I'm sure he is well on his way to being modkilled or replaced. If he is replaced and not mod-killed, we can deal with it then, sound good? His last post in the thread: nyczbrandon United States. December 16 2011 11:56. Posts 108
I don't think you are scum, I'm just trying to locate peoples opinions on nycz.
i've read through Jitsu once, and ill have to do it again before I come to any real conclusions. so far I think he is most likely town though. He was tunneling compressient all game to be sure, but when it came time for comp to be lynched his play differed from what I thought scum play would be. Instead of voting, posting that he thought comp was scum, and then falling off the thread, he instead made it known that he was one of the first to post a case on him, and made himself known as the night post approached.
Would of course like to hear others' thoughts on this, but so far he looks pretty green to me.
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