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On December 09 2011 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 10:44 hyshes wrote:On December 09 2011 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:On December 09 2011 10:37 kingjames01 wrote:On December 09 2011 10:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Guys, how can we both be mafia? That's just not possible unless you think the vote was massively rigged my mafias. Do you really think people like hyshes, rad, V7, palmar, and so on are mafias? No?
Well do you believe he made you guys chose me by some super awesome psychic powers? I don't think so.
Right now I think annul is town for the same reason I think V7 is town. Actually, he didn't ask people to vote who got to use his shot. He asked if people trusted YOU, specifically. to be fair he asked who is the MOST trustworthy towny. The first guy who answered was rad who said it's me and I'm pretty sure the 2nd guy (hyshes?) called my game as well. From that point on, he changed it to 1. who is most trustworthy? 2. Do you agree with Toad being town I see no possibility of setting this thing up unless you believe that Annul is scum, I am scum, Rad is Scum and hyshes is scum. Lol. No u could just have used your town-look to save annul. Nobody had you on their town-list, so annul knew you would be the one. Especially because of his second question in which he mentions you. You save annul by doing this, get a free townkill and some towncred. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291212¤tpage=85#1695That's the question he did. Do you think he could have rigged that somehow? I doubt it.
Yes. Annul asked directly at radfield there radfield isn't going to mention himself. After that, he asked if anyone thought you were mafia. And then this:
On December 09 2011 09:18 annul wrote:
ok well in 45 minutes i will make a nice announcement depending on the answers i get to my last few questions
IF YOU ARE HERE AND ACTIVE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU ANSWER MY LAST FEW QUESTIONS PLEASE
namely, 1. who do you think is MOST town; 2. do you think toad is town/mafia?
I would not be surprised if you guys set this up. And you focussing on it makes me believing it more. I just mentioned it once as a very unlikely option. But now i actually believe it.
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On December 09 2011 10:25 Refallen wrote:
I already addressed the doublestack point; come on, that argument is so weak it's not even funny.
You're right. I concede this point. I hadn't read Mafia XLVII so I was unaware of this possibility. However, my case does not rely on that premise.
On December 09 2011 10:25 Refallen wrote:Show nested quote +Why? Cause dead Townies who CANNOT possibly know our alignments were suspicious? Are you perhaps mafia and you wanted them dead BECAUSE they were suspicious of us? You weren't successful hitting annul due to him being saved and you couldn't kill me directly because I had only denounced you and that would have put a lot of heat on you? Mafia trickery.
I don't get this point, can you rephrase it?
My intent here is that you cannot rely on dead Townie's suspicions to find mafia. Many times mafia will kill a Townie PRECISELY because that Townie suspected the wrong person.
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Why couldn't there be two town Jacks, I'm cornfused? You guys claim that 6/19 is abnormally high Mafia voting power - couldn't they offset that with increased town KP?
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On December 09 2011 10:53 Radfield wrote:
Annul what action did you use last night?
i didnt.
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On December 09 2011 10:32 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 10:31 vaderseven wrote:
ok,
sorry was in a game of hon.
I can confirm that anul is telling the turth. this is why i told you to pay attention to what was going on lol you have the same powers i do, yes?
Annul if you are town there is no way vaderseven is also town. Jacks are insanely powerful + we had a 2-shot vig. No way. One scum jack, one town jack.
Having the same powers DOES NOT mean you two have the same alignment.
##VOTE ANNUL
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On December 09 2011 10:56 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 10:53 Radfield wrote:
Annul what action did you use last night? i didnt.
please explain your reasoning for that.
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On December 09 2011 10:54 hyshes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:On December 09 2011 10:44 hyshes wrote:On December 09 2011 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:On December 09 2011 10:37 kingjames01 wrote:On December 09 2011 10:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Guys, how can we both be mafia? That's just not possible unless you think the vote was massively rigged my mafias. Do you really think people like hyshes, rad, V7, palmar, and so on are mafias? No?
Well do you believe he made you guys chose me by some super awesome psychic powers? I don't think so.
Right now I think annul is town for the same reason I think V7 is town. Actually, he didn't ask people to vote who got to use his shot. He asked if people trusted YOU, specifically. to be fair he asked who is the MOST trustworthy towny. The first guy who answered was rad who said it's me and I'm pretty sure the 2nd guy (hyshes?) called my game as well. From that point on, he changed it to 1. who is most trustworthy? 2. Do you agree with Toad being town I see no possibility of setting this thing up unless you believe that Annul is scum, I am scum, Rad is Scum and hyshes is scum. Lol. No u could just have used your town-look to save annul. Nobody had you on their town-list, so annul knew you would be the one. Especially because of his second question in which he mentions you. You save annul by doing this, get a free townkill and some towncred. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291212¤tpage=85#1695That's the question he did. Do you think he could have rigged that somehow? I doubt it. Yes. Annul asked directly at radfield there radfield isn't going to mention himself. After that, he asked if anyone thought you were mafia. And then this: Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 09:18 annul wrote:
ok well in 45 minutes i will make a nice announcement depending on the answers i get to my last few questions
IF YOU ARE HERE AND ACTIVE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU ANSWER MY LAST FEW QUESTIONS PLEASE
namely, 1. who do you think is MOST town; 2. do you think toad is town/mafia? I would not be surprised if you guys set this up. And you focussing on it makes me believing it more. I just mentioned it once as a very unlikely option. But now i actually believe it.
so you're basicly saying that rad, annul and I am all mafia. Annul asked the thread to tell us who is the most likely towny, rad, the scumbuddy. came out of nowhere saying it's Toad, and I get to shoot someone?
Yes I am asking this again because I just can't believe it.
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He named EXACTLY my skills. I trust him.
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On December 09 2011 10:56 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 10:56 annul wrote:On December 09 2011 10:53 Radfield wrote:
Annul what action did you use last night? i didnt. please explain your reasoning for that.
for seemingly obvious reasons i will do no such thing
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On December 09 2011 10:57 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 10:54 hyshes wrote:On December 09 2011 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:On December 09 2011 10:44 hyshes wrote:On December 09 2011 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:On December 09 2011 10:37 kingjames01 wrote:On December 09 2011 10:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Guys, how can we both be mafia? That's just not possible unless you think the vote was massively rigged my mafias. Do you really think people like hyshes, rad, V7, palmar, and so on are mafias? No?
Well do you believe he made you guys chose me by some super awesome psychic powers? I don't think so.
Right now I think annul is town for the same reason I think V7 is town. Actually, he didn't ask people to vote who got to use his shot. He asked if people trusted YOU, specifically. to be fair he asked who is the MOST trustworthy towny. The first guy who answered was rad who said it's me and I'm pretty sure the 2nd guy (hyshes?) called my game as well. From that point on, he changed it to 1. who is most trustworthy? 2. Do you agree with Toad being town I see no possibility of setting this thing up unless you believe that Annul is scum, I am scum, Rad is Scum and hyshes is scum. Lol. No u could just have used your town-look to save annul. Nobody had you on their town-list, so annul knew you would be the one. Especially because of his second question in which he mentions you. You save annul by doing this, get a free townkill and some towncred. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291212¤tpage=85#1695That's the question he did. Do you think he could have rigged that somehow? I doubt it. Yes. Annul asked directly at radfield there radfield isn't going to mention himself. After that, he asked if anyone thought you were mafia. And then this: On December 09 2011 09:18 annul wrote:
ok well in 45 minutes i will make a nice announcement depending on the answers i get to my last few questions
IF YOU ARE HERE AND ACTIVE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU ANSWER MY LAST FEW QUESTIONS PLEASE
namely, 1. who do you think is MOST town; 2. do you think toad is town/mafia? I would not be surprised if you guys set this up. And you focussing on it makes me believing it more. I just mentioned it once as a very unlikely option. But now i actually believe it. so you're basicly saying that rad, annul and I am all mafia. Annul asked the thread to tell us who is the most likely towny, rad, the scumbuddy. came out of nowhere saying it's Toad, and I get to shoot someone? Yes I am asking this again because I just can't believe it.
No, annul was looking for a way to wash his hands of a dead townie. Yes there is a chance that he hit mafia too, but if you know that the top suspects atm are not mafia, you are almost 100% in the clear. Annul knew my list of townies, and likely knew that Toad was at the top. Toad has been pretty open about his reads, which means Annul can basically narrow down the hit before it even happens.
If annul is town, consider that having Toad shoot for him says the LEAST about annul alignment as possible. Why would he do that!? He thinks highly of his own play, he thinks very confidently that Palmar is scum....... so just let some random townie pick the shot? No way.
You shoot Palmar in the face, and that ends all discussion of you being scum.
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On December 09 2011 10:57 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 10:54 hyshes wrote:On December 09 2011 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:On December 09 2011 10:44 hyshes wrote:On December 09 2011 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:On December 09 2011 10:37 kingjames01 wrote:On December 09 2011 10:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Guys, how can we both be mafia? That's just not possible unless you think the vote was massively rigged my mafias. Do you really think people like hyshes, rad, V7, palmar, and so on are mafias? No?
Well do you believe he made you guys chose me by some super awesome psychic powers? I don't think so.
Right now I think annul is town for the same reason I think V7 is town. Actually, he didn't ask people to vote who got to use his shot. He asked if people trusted YOU, specifically. to be fair he asked who is the MOST trustworthy towny. The first guy who answered was rad who said it's me and I'm pretty sure the 2nd guy (hyshes?) called my game as well. From that point on, he changed it to 1. who is most trustworthy? 2. Do you agree with Toad being town I see no possibility of setting this thing up unless you believe that Annul is scum, I am scum, Rad is Scum and hyshes is scum. Lol. No u could just have used your town-look to save annul. Nobody had you on their town-list, so annul knew you would be the one. Especially because of his second question in which he mentions you. You save annul by doing this, get a free townkill and some towncred. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291212¤tpage=85#1695That's the question he did. Do you think he could have rigged that somehow? I doubt it. Yes. Annul asked directly at radfield there radfield isn't going to mention himself. After that, he asked if anyone thought you were mafia. And then this: On December 09 2011 09:18 annul wrote:
ok well in 45 minutes i will make a nice announcement depending on the answers i get to my last few questions
IF YOU ARE HERE AND ACTIVE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU ANSWER MY LAST FEW QUESTIONS PLEASE
namely, 1. who do you think is MOST town; 2. do you think toad is town/mafia? I would not be surprised if you guys set this up. And you focussing on it makes me believing it more. I just mentioned it once as a very unlikely option. But now i actually believe it. so you're basicly saying that rad, annul and I am all mafia. Annul asked the thread to tell us who is the most likely towny, rad, the scumbuddy. came out of nowhere saying it's Toad, and I get to shoot someone? Yes I am asking this again because I just can't believe it.
Rad doesn't have to be scum for this to work. Everyone knew you and rad had a lot of towncred. Annul asked rad directly. Rad is ofcourse not gonna say himself, since that's a dumb answer. Then annul asks a different question to the rest of us: if you are scum or not. And then annul is doing a petition.
And to top that, you pick out a "consensus" (no he wasn't) suspicious townie. This all just screams "trickery".
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On December 09 2011 11:00 annul wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 10:56 Radfield wrote:On December 09 2011 10:56 annul wrote:On December 09 2011 10:53 Radfield wrote:
Annul what action did you use last night? i didnt. please explain your reasoning for that. for seemingly obvious reasons i will do no such thing
You are a fucking Jack! You have a whole mitfull of powers, yet you opt to not use one on night 1.
Vaderseven, is there any reasonable likelihood you would not use ANY of your powers last night if you could? Does it make sense to you that Annul did not use an action last night?
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On December 09 2011 11:03 hyshes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 10:57 Toadesstern wrote:On December 09 2011 10:54 hyshes wrote:On December 09 2011 10:48 Toadesstern wrote:On December 09 2011 10:44 hyshes wrote:On December 09 2011 10:40 Toadesstern wrote:On December 09 2011 10:37 kingjames01 wrote:On December 09 2011 10:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Guys, how can we both be mafia? That's just not possible unless you think the vote was massively rigged my mafias. Do you really think people like hyshes, rad, V7, palmar, and so on are mafias? No?
Well do you believe he made you guys chose me by some super awesome psychic powers? I don't think so.
Right now I think annul is town for the same reason I think V7 is town. Actually, he didn't ask people to vote who got to use his shot. He asked if people trusted YOU, specifically. to be fair he asked who is the MOST trustworthy towny. The first guy who answered was rad who said it's me and I'm pretty sure the 2nd guy (hyshes?) called my game as well. From that point on, he changed it to 1. who is most trustworthy? 2. Do you agree with Toad being town I see no possibility of setting this thing up unless you believe that Annul is scum, I am scum, Rad is Scum and hyshes is scum. Lol. No u could just have used your town-look to save annul. Nobody had you on their town-list, so annul knew you would be the one. Especially because of his second question in which he mentions you. You save annul by doing this, get a free townkill and some towncred. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291212¤tpage=85#1695That's the question he did. Do you think he could have rigged that somehow? I doubt it. Yes. Annul asked directly at radfield there radfield isn't going to mention himself. After that, he asked if anyone thought you were mafia. And then this: On December 09 2011 09:18 annul wrote:
ok well in 45 minutes i will make a nice announcement depending on the answers i get to my last few questions
IF YOU ARE HERE AND ACTIVE IT IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU ANSWER MY LAST FEW QUESTIONS PLEASE
namely, 1. who do you think is MOST town; 2. do you think toad is town/mafia? I would not be surprised if you guys set this up. And you focussing on it makes me believing it more. I just mentioned it once as a very unlikely option. But now i actually believe it. so you're basicly saying that rad, annul and I am all mafia. Annul asked the thread to tell us who is the most likely towny, rad, the scumbuddy. came out of nowhere saying it's Toad, and I get to shoot someone? Yes I am asking this again because I just can't believe it. Rad doesn't have to be scum for this to work. Everyone knew you and rad had a lot of towncred. Annul asked rad directly. Rad is ofcourse not gonna say himself, since that's a dumb answer. Then annul asks a different question to the rest of us: if you are scum or not. And then annul is doing a petition. And to top that, you pick out a "consensus" (no he wasn't) suspicious townie. This all just screams "trickery".
I don't think so hyshes. As long as Annul knows what Toads general reads are, he can easily pass the buck to him before the shot. The reason Toad has so much towncred is because he is town. Last thing you want to do as mafia is draw a bunch of nasty suspicion onto a guy which is basically confirmed town by the who thread.
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On December 09 2011 11:06 vaderseven wrote:
yes it does.
You guys are useless jacks, that's what your telling me.
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I wouldnt have used an action last night.
You get to use 2 actions throughout the game. So you have 4 choices but only 2 to use.
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for fucks sake
why would you say what our restriction is?
"yes it does" was sufficient. =(
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I don't know where this leaves us then. You guys are both severely hamstrung which presumably means you can both be town.
Annul's actions still don't add up.
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vader, are the other two powers useful to town as well as scum?
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