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vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 06 2011 21:50 GMT
#1121
Hey now no slapfighting. It is productive to discuss activity, style, decision making, theory, and off scumhunting.

How much stupidier one player or the other is than me is useless and details.

That is all.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 06 2011 21:50 GMT
#1122
Off = ofc
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 06 2011 21:52 GMT
#1123
Fuck.

Details = derails
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
December 06 2011 21:56 GMT
#1124
@vaderseven Then why don't you engage in some scum hunting? Who besides Palmar do you think is scum? VisceraEyes thinks that redFF and sandroba are suspicious, what do you think about that?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 06 2011 21:59 GMT
#1125
I don't think scum hunting is useful or wise to post at night. I have yet to find why the town would want to do so at night.

That is why my spammy self has posted at 5% my usual rate this real life day.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 06 2011 22:01 GMT
#1126
You should know that if you followed the scum qt last game. I stated that there and said so many times in irc as well.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
December 06 2011 22:03 GMT
#1127
Anytime you can talk to someone and get responses and have a conversation, talking is useful. Imagine not even being ALLOWED to talk at night (which is the norm other places.) It's an advantage. Use it.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
December 06 2011 22:04 GMT
#1128
Let me ask you this: do you think scum only communicate at night if they're also allowed to talk during the day?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 06 2011 22:05 GMT
#1129
No.
Lanaia
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1142 Posts
December 06 2011 22:10 GMT
#1130
Taking a short break from the assignment.

Of course, I don't mind annul posting only about one line because he's clear, concise, and to the point. He's posting in a useful manner in comparison to some other people.

On December 07 2011 04:48 prplhz wrote:
@Lanaia You too are not really being very helpful. You haven't done anything that resembles scum hunting this game, when can we expect something from you? What do you mean that talking during night just kind of paints targets (or anti-targets) everywhere? Do you think town should just be quiet during the night?


You can expect more from me next game day. D1 is always harder, I feel.

When I was talking about painting targets, I meant solely in regards to naming people who you think are town or not town. Moreso, when you guess at whether or not they are blue in addition. Targets would refer to people that a lot of people think are town. Anti-targets would refer to people who are called scummy. Mafia would not shoot the anti-targets unless they had a really good reason, in my experience.

I'm used to nights where no one talks. Conversation is fine, but I personally don't want to reveal too much at night, when scum can change their decisions (from what I've seen). You can scumhunt, of course, but I just wouldn't be too blatant about results.

On December 07 2011 07:01 vaderseven wrote:
You should know that if you followed the scum qt last game. I stated that there and said so many times in irc as well.

I thought we didn't release it.

Also, turn off autocorrect, Vader.

Now, back to working.
<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 06 2011 22:14 GMT
#1131
Lanaia, prprhz was scum with us that game.
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 06 2011 22:19 GMT
#1132
My basic theory on why its not pro town to post as much at night:

Posting in thread helps to strengthen coordinated actions. At night the coordinated actions are those of scum and at day the coordinated action is that of the lynch (which is town controlled in that town outnumbers scum).
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 06 2011 22:24 GMT
#1133
you forgot something
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 06 2011 22:26 GMT
#1134
I did not forget that. Those are not coordinated actions unless people really think that directing power roles in thread is a good idea.
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 22:30:04
December 06 2011 22:27 GMT
#1135
On December 07 2011 06:41 annul wrote:
hey jackal

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


that is all. =D

This is an official warning. Next one is a modkill.

Also, while posting to clarify typos is fine, it doesn't hurt to check over your posts before posting. I am seeing way more double posts than I think is necessary.

+ Show Spoiler [example: Is this all really necessary?] +
On December 07 2011 06:50 vaderseven wrote:
Hey now no slapfighting. It is productive to discuss activity, style, decision making, theory, and off scumhunting.

How much stupidier one player or the other is than me is useless and details.

That is all.

On December 07 2011 06:50 vaderseven wrote:
Off = ofc

On December 07 2011 06:52 vaderseven wrote:
Fuck.

Details = derails

On December 07 2011 06:59 vaderseven wrote:
I don't think scum hunting is useful or wise to post at night. I have yet to find why the town would want to do so at night.

That is why my spammy self has posted at 5% my usual rate this real life day.

On December 07 2011 07:01 vaderseven wrote:
You should know that if you followed the scum qt last game. I stated that there and said so many times in irc as well.

The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
December 06 2011 22:32 GMT
#1136
But the town PRs can be coordinated too if town gives them a basis to work with...and that can happen just as easily during the night phase than it can during the day. Easier if you ask me, because the lynch is done and the following lynch should be considered with all the night-actions resolved...so there isn't any discussion about who the actual lynch is going to be at night.

Posting in-thread isn't a tool that you can use. Posting in thread is THE tool that you ALWAYS use. The more a person says, the more they're likely to slip up if they're scum. And the more you talk to the rest of town, the better feel you get for who you can trust. Posting in this thread IS THE GAME in a non-PM game, unless you're scum I guess. Less discussion = less information gained by all parties. While it's true that you're preventing scum from getting any information, you're preventing other townies from getting it too...and they're the ones that matter. Scum already has the information.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 06 2011 22:36 GMT
#1137
That is the classic rebuttal but I strongly believe it is flawed and not as strong as the argument I proposed. It is something we should talk about more after the game, it isn't an opinion that I would be capable of considering changing mid game.

Sorry Incognito, I truly do try to keep those to a min but I am actually probably the worst post on this sub forum as far as not realizing all I want to say AND in making typos that confuse things horribly. I am trying to pay attention to it!
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
December 06 2011 22:48 GMT
#1138
Well, feel free to not rebut then...but you're arguing for town remaining silent during the night-phase which I'm strongly against. I'm not going to sit by and miss out on a chance to catch scum because you are afraid to "compromise the integrity of the night-actions" or whatever the "argument you proposed" is geared toward.

The fact of the matter is that information is the only advantage Mafia have over town. Squelching town is beneficial to Mafia, 100% of the time because it's securing their one advantage. If you disagree with that, you're delusional.

If, like v7, you want Mafia to RETAIN their informational advantage, by all means...say nothing until daybreak.

If you want to win, like me, then you'd better get in here and prove it. That's all I'm going to say on the matter.

prplhz, I'd like to turn your question around on you. What do YOU think of my suspicions of red and Sandroba?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
December 06 2011 22:52 GMT
#1139
Keep in mind I said its not a good idea to post scum hunting things in the night.

By all means scum hunt! Just post it in the morning.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
December 06 2011 22:55 GMT
#1140
On December 06 2011 23:08 syllogism wrote:
Sandroba any thoughts on Annul's and kingjames01's play so far?


Annul is playing very simillar to what he did day1 in the last game, which made me suspicious of him. However he did shape up day 2 and I was able to correctly identify him as town that game. I'll reserve judgement to tomorrow if I'm alive, if not it's up to you bastards to decide.
@Annul Can you please point me to a game where you lasted a bit as scum, I'm in a mood to read right now.

Both kingjames and risen put out a lot of effort yesterday when they already knew Hier flips was inevitable. Hier's alignment was at that point a blind guess so it's very suspicious behaviour indeed as no townie would know for sure the outcome of the lynch and any effort at that time was simply being converted into looking good and uselesly defending an innocent who was about to flip. They are both very suspicious and should be looked into with more detail.

QUOTE]On December 07 2011 02:01 hyshes wrote:

On December 06 2011 07:07 sandroba wrote:
What the fuck, insta-delurk when called out. I think you got one there.


I consider sandroba the scumiest from atm. Lanaia did not insta-delurk there.. why would you say that?

[/QUOTE]
This is falacy. Lanaia DID insta-delurk there, she posted 10 min after radfield posted an attack on her, while she was missing for 2 hours. Last game 2 players (greymist and matchew) did the same thing and I called them out for it and they ended up being mafia indeed. I stand by my opinion that lanaia is scum.
@Hyshes why would you blatantly lie to cast suspicion onto me?
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