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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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hyshes
Belgium428 Posts
On December 05 2011 21:46 sandroba wrote: Okay so here it is: Syllogism: Unless he found a new love for being mafia exactly this game, I'm pretty surre he is town. He could have opted to post waaaay less day1 and still I wouldn't suspect him, because that's usually how he operates. Instead he is getting this thread moving, posting a shitton and generating discussion. Radfield: Pretty active, but for him that doesn't mean as much. Leaning town on him for now, only because his posts are not as carefully constructed as when he is mafia. Palmar: Kinda inactive day 1, but I can't really say shit about that, since I was inactive myself. It's worth keeping an eye on him, since I'm having a bad feeling about his posts (pretty much reharsh of previous games posts), but still a retarded choice for a lynch day1. These guys shouldn't even be discussed for a lynch day1, since they have a high chance of being shot night 1 when town. Nice way to create a base to try to lynch those guys on day 2.. Anyway, I'm sorry for my current inactivity. It's my birthday and there was a supriseparty yesterday. Today i have dinner with friends so won't be posting much either. I thought i would only lose 1 night due to my birthday (tonight) but a supriseparty made that 2. I read through the thread and have a question. The palmar case seems to be a gathering of little things to me, could someone (preferable one of the voters) explain the case to me? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
About the palmar vote, did you read my thoughts there because it was something like that as well. I quoted 2 weird things from palmar and let's be honest he's playing weird this game so I wanted to have him respond. He did explain what I quoted and I'm fine with that at the moment. Although I still don't know what to think about his rnd thing right now. I doubt a mafia palmar would do such a thing but at the same time I doubt a town palmar would do such a thing. Both are kind of a process of learning which I already stated earlier this game. Last game (that 80 player thing) I called out erandorr several times becaue I thought he's fishy but it's not enough to get him lynched. In the end everyone ended up ignoring what I said, even erandorr and I ended up seeing him red. So I'd like people to not ignore those things this game. With a vote I am at least getting the attention from the guy I'm voteing. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On December 05 2011 23:54 hyshes wrote: Nice way to create a base to try to lynch those guys on day 2.. Anyway, I'm sorry for my current inactivity. It's my birthday and there was a supriseparty yesterday. Today i have dinner with friends so won't be posting much either. I thought i would only lose 1 night due to my birthday (tonight) but a supriseparty made that 2. I read through the thread and have a question. The palmar case seems to be a gathering of little things to me, could someone (preferable one of the voters) explain the case to me? well in my opinion the palmar case is kind of wifom. As mentioned I don't think a mafia palmar would suggest such a thing as a rnd vote because he should know that it's weird to say the least. So the first thing I thought was that he must be scum and like realized that it might be wifom because of that. Therefore I voted him to get a little bit more information to evaluate what he's doing atm because it's strange for sure. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
don't doubt that. Townpalmar is very ambitious to win his games. Right now I don't see where this is going what he does. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On December 05 2011 23:57 Toadesstern wrote: well in my opinion the palmar case is kind of wifom. As mentioned I don't think a mafia palmar would suggest such a thing as a rnd vote because he should know that it's weird to say the least. So the first thing I thought was that he must be scum and like realized that it might be wifom because of that. Therefore I voted him to get a little bit more information to evaluate what he's doing atm because it's strange for sure. EBWOP ah crap copy & past ruined my phrase well in my opinion the palmar case is kind of wifom. As mentioned I don't think a mafia palmar would suggest such a thing as a rnd vote because he should know that it's weird to say the least. So the first thing I thought was that he must be town and realized that it might be wifom because he should know that as well which could make him scum as well.Therefore I voted him to get a little bit more information to evaluate what he's doing atm because it's strange for sure. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On December 05 2011 23:58 supersoft wrote: toadesstern: "I doubt a town palmar would do such a thing." don't doubt that. Townpalmar is very ambitious to win his games. Right now I don't see where this is going what he does. that's exactly my point. Therefore I'd like to have some information on him and asked him out about it. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
It is retarded to even discuss the option of a no-lynch until a few hours before the voting deadline. Any amount of time knowing there will be no lynch is time wasted for town not gathering information through discussions and accusations. Random Lynching: No. I can see the merit (reds not being able to throw weak cases at others and defend themselves) but this also is not pro town at all. Some thoughts on people Palmar - Is acting a lot different then last game where he was town. This is causing suspicion for me and the RNG vote is stupid especially after last game he claimed to be a really good day 1 lyncher (and that was with 80 people probably the best RNG case available). Scummy Vaderseven - Honestly I have no idea. He seems to be playing very similar to last game where he was scum and the cases brought against him are not exactly stong. If I had a gun to my head I'd say town though. Syllogism - This game "Zodiac" lists are fine as a guideline for medics, especially in a game with newer players or players who are otherwise unsure as to who is a likely n1 target. Even if they decide against following it, it will discourage mafia from shooting into it. Given the recent success rate of TL medics, I think the main early game function of medics is to discourage mafia from being overly bold with their shots rather than to actually save someone. Last Game (Town) I think we shouldn't be lynching into presumably active veteran players on on day1, given the number of lurking new players that will likely be present. Also is a ton more activity and aggressiveness out of Syllogism this game. Scummy Other People on my Scum watchlist Jackal TruthBringer Viscera Corrupt Soap | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On December 05 2011 21:51 Corrupt wrote: Already wrote about that post in the previous page. I'm curious why you keep making a big deal out of it. I answered both of your questions and you claim I ignored you? I listed 2 people, not 1. You convinced Zephirdd to vote against me based on.. let's say.. nothing. Now all of a sudden you suspend your case on Palmar, unvote and go for me? Sounds like a plan. 2 people is not "so many" | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
I think Palmar has been uncharacteristically useless so far but I wouldn't consider him for day1 lynch. sandroba and syllogism are basically confirmed to me and I think that Radfield is looking good too. @supersoft What do you think about my case on TruthBringer? You commented on one case on TruthBringer but not the other. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On December 05 2011 23:54 hyshes wrote: Nice way to create a base to try to lynch those guys on day 2.. Anyway, I'm sorry for my current inactivity. It's my birthday and there was a supriseparty yesterday. Today i have dinner with friends so won't be posting much either. I thought i would only lose 1 night due to my birthday (tonight) but a supriseparty made that 2. I read through the thread and have a question. The palmar case seems to be a gathering of little things to me, could someone (preferable one of the voters) explain the case to me? you're taking something from sandro's post that he didn't imply. all he's saying is that they're good and as town are likely to be shot n1. He's not saying if they are alive day 2 they're scum... Palmar case is explained, read my filter. He's kind of trolling the thread at this stage though. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On December 06 2011 00:14 Mattchew wrote: Syllogism - This game Last Game (Town) Also is a ton more activity and aggressiveness out of Syllogism this game. Scummy I don't see a contradiction in these posts, what point are you trying to make here? | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
On December 06 2011 00:17 prplhz wrote: I think TruthBringer and vaderseven are best lynch candidates for today. I will vote TruthBringer over vaderseven because I think he's more likely to flip scum. I don't like lynching Zephirdd or Corrupt. I think Palmar has been uncharacteristically useless so far but I wouldn't consider him for day1 lynch. sandroba and syllogism are basically confirmed to me and I think that Radfield is looking good too. @supersoft What do you think about my case on TruthBringer? You commented on one case on TruthBringer but not the other. what do you mean by basically confirmed? | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On December 05 2011 01:36 prplhz wrote: What do you want us to spend the rest of the day doing if you just want us to no-lynch? Just want to sit around and wait for power roles to do our job? A town shouldn't depend on power roles, especially not in a closed setup. How do you want potential blues to direct their actions tonight? Do you want cops to claim day2? What about sanities? What if nobody claims day2, then we're back at day1 but with a couple of townies dead? You are obviously not very dumb since you feel confident enough to post very concise opinions on zodiac lists and setup balance, but your no-lynch idea, I can't see how a townie could suggest such a thing. Also, you proclaim your worthlessness lowering everybody's expectations of you. You can absolutely catch a scum even if you don't have any extensive meta with him/her (I think I just proved that). At the very least YOU CAN TRY, unless you don't want to but in that case you're scum and you can just die. ##Vote TruthBringer this case is horrible aswell. I don't know Truthbringers background, but for example in SC2 battle.net mafia a nolynch day1 is pretty reasonable sometimes... It's a set-up issue. If we nolynch day1 scum has an advantage, because their nightpowers are superiour to ours. It's a lot harder for our few medics and our few detectives to hit the right person if we don't gather as much information as possible day1. In fact it's even worse to decide to no-lynch in the middle of the day since it stops every discussion. Conclusion: There are two possibilities why someone posts such a bad plan for town: 1. He's scum and somehow he thinks there is a chance to convince the others to nolynch and he didn't talk to his scumbuddys about that - because they would have told him not to do that. That is highly unlikely!!! 2. Much more likely is the scenario that this guy is a townie who has no experience with our set-ups and maybe has different experiences if he has any. A newbie player proposing bad plans is rathe town than scum! | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On December 06 2011 00:22 redFF wrote: I don't see a contradiction in these posts, what point are you trying to make here? Its not a direct contradiction.. just "feels" different. Also, Prplhz, Draz, and redFF were all mafia in the last game and are playing completely different this time around. So far they all come off as town to me. | ||
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vaderseven
United States2556 Posts
By posting style I mean that I have played with people that post short 1-2 liners and then don't scum hunt while voting in a randomish fashion. I was hoping you would vote and put down some real reasons if pressured. At least you joined the conversation. ##unvote I was waiting for Palmer to post his defense before I pointed out the fallacy of the case (his list was an answer to a question) and I like his defense. I hate his current vote. Redff- So your case on Palmer is defunct and was based on a missreading of things. You are now voting corrupt in what I would say was the first true bandwagon vote of the game. I think you are acting scummy with this set of actions. About me- I don't really get the case on me. If someone would spell it out ill reply to it. Let the day of posting via phone begin (aka good morning thread). Oh and ##vote redff | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On December 06 2011 00:33 Mattchew wrote: Its not a direct contradiction.. just "feels" different. Also, Prplhz, Draz, and redFF were all mafia in the last game and are playing completely different this time around. So far they all come off as town to me. prplhz maybe. But redFF?! | ||
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