TL Mafia XLVIII - Page 2

On December 06 2011 09:50 Drazerk wrote:


Other than meta. Explain how Palmar is town

On December 06 2011 10:14 Drazerk wrote:


How does it HAVE to be palmar?

It can be one of his scum buddies helping him.

On December 06 2011 10:15 Drazerk wrote:


Palmar isn't town and even if he is it gives us a lot more information than a no lynch ever will and we won't have to deal with him trolling for another day and repeating this whole mess once more

On December 06 2011 23:16 redFF wrote:

YOU MAKE NO SENSE

On December 07 2011 01:39 prplhz wrote:
@redFF

Hey, what do you think about Mattchew?

On December 07 2011 20:44 prplhz wrote:
Hey, I've decided to try my hand at some case writing even though I haven't done this successfully for god knows how long. I still want to lynch vaderseven and TruthBringer but I don't think that's going to happen today so here's another guy I'm suspicious of.

On Mattchew
The guy starts this game by joking around for three posts, to look active rather than to help. He is then called out for it by Radfield and I, after which he doesn't joke around anymore at all. I think this looks like mafia who got attention he didn't like and then he changes his behavior abruptly.

In his next post he comments on current event in thread, but what strikes me is that he calls Palmar "suspicious" and also attempts to discredit syllogism for what he believes is a logical inconsistency (but it isn't). This will be a trademark of Mattchew's posts. He does the same thing to Palmar here when he quotes how Palmar support LALiars in last game but lies here, indirectly saying that Palmar should be lynched but without saying it himself.

Next thing he does is argue a bit with Zephirdd when Zephirdd calls him out on his relative uselessness. His defense is not trying to be townie, it is not trying to prove that Zephirdd is wrong in any way, his defense is actually an attack on Zephirdd. I think mafia mostly feel guilty in the charges against them, but they still have to do something about it, so pointing out the flaws of others hoping that attention will be directed at them instead is something a lot of mafia do. He is not saying that Zephirdd is wrong, he is saying that Zephirdd is being a hypocrite, but this does not make his attack less valid.

Next thing he does is go for redFF in this post. I find this weird because his reasoning is that redFF has gone for Palmar and is now going for Corrupt, but he said that redFF looked townie in this post, and that was after redFF tried to get Palmar lynched in the beginning of the game. Also, Mattchew has a pattern of going after "scum tells", his attack on Zephirdd consisted only of this too.

In his next post he refuses to vote for Palmar and vaderseven. but the manner in which this is done is more interested. Like with the "prplhz, Drazerk and redFF look townie", I think scum like to band up names and then comment on them collectively instead of forming an opinion on each one of them. This way they don't have to argue for their opinion and they will hopefully get the support of the townies who are on that list because he is actually called them scum. I believe that there is a scum on both of those lists of names, but Mattchew thinks he will get away with calling them townie without actually having to argue for it because he grouped them with other townies.

In this post he actually says no-lynch > lyching Palmar at a very critical point in the game, Palmar was getting pushed very hard and was looking to be lynched if it wasn't the the collective intervention of just about every veteran in this game except Drazerk. The thing I think is weird about this is how hard he's apparently changed his stance on Palmar, from trolling lying RNGing to "townie". The post is also very egocentric, what he does here is say "Palmar is town, I'm not voting for him." but he doesn't care what everybody else does. Why isn't he trying to get people off Palmar and onto something else instead of just washing his hands and then watching the blood bath that seemed almost inevitable at the point?

Overall his style is being aggressive on other people's integrity while very defensive on his own. All his aggression seems to be to discredit other people instead of actually finding scum and he seems more concerned with his own innocence than with other's guilt.

##Vote Mattchew

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@Radfield You need to do something today, that night2-deal you made yesterday wasn't accepted by anybody with a brain. Palmar has started contributing and so will you have to.

@VisceraEyes I appreciate the effort but Palmar isn't getting lynched today and there are 5 other scum out there for you to catch right? Focus on somebody else.

On December 08 2011 00:20 Palmar wrote:
Hey Mattchew, vote annul.

On December 08 2011 00:27 Drazerk wrote:


NO ONE SHOULD STEP UP.

We already have 1 medic in the open we don't need both of us

On December 08 2011 01:36 annul wrote:
holy shit i wake up and i have 6 votes on me lol

why the fuck is palmar of all people leading a wagon on ME of all people? did you all forget the shit he pulled yesterday? letting palmar run shit = outed jack and a dead green

for what its worth reds may not actually get 3 KP -- i logically deduced this because A. who the fuck would shoot me night 1, and B. night vigs usually dont get to shoot night 1. yes i now see syllo's flip and i know they can but they usually cant. yeah syllo was on my ass all of night 1 so he probably did, but i didnt even think it was possible to do until i checked the OP

i find it funny that palmar keeps with the omgus trend and thinks "oh my god, annul told town to cool off in 47 and he isnt doing it now, he must be red, GET HIM" yeah in 47 you were MAYOR, thats why i pulled everyone off you.

6 votes in an instawagon because.... i claimed the truth, that i got shot, immediately upon seeing the PM? which not a single red player would ever do? against all the shit palmar did day 1 and his logical failures day 2? LOLOLOL



the medic who saved me needs to shut the fuck up and not claim. whoever said "ill keep on annul until you claim" needs to be looked at really hard

On December 08 2011 01:51 Radfield wrote:



That's because there is already a ongoing discussion topic which you only touched on a little bit. I agree that Erandorr looks like scum right now. I disagree with redff, he spams and posts 1 liners every game regardless of alignment. In his case, it is not a scum tell.

Both Erandorr and RedFF claimed roleblocked, but that does not mean they necessarily have a role. Oftentimes in games you are informed you were roleblocked even if you are vanilla town.

The chances of v7 and Palmar being both scum is astronomically low in my eyes. Not only do BOTH of them seem like townies, and BOTH have claimed likely town roles, but there is very little chance that the conversation between them was manufactured.

On December 08 2011 01:54 annul wrote:


yeah because this is obviously the most likely scenario, that if we were all red, we would all be collectively circle bussing each other

zzz