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My first post in my first mafia game guys.
I find the Palmar-Annul debate about double lynching suspicious. For one, I am not convinced why DL(double lynching from now on) is a must or else town is at a disadvantage. For all we know these two could operating together. I feel like we are pushing too fast. Mind that I'm a complete newb so my insticts can be totally off.
Can you explain why you are rooting for DL so hard?
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Can you provide reasons for considering people as scum? I will add to my possible scum list everyone who accuses others without solid reasons.
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Newbie question. How do we know they are medics?
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So I don't quite get this. You post a list with people you believe that play the game well and you want to protect them in case they are town? I think forming lists so early in the game is just meant to guide people according to your plans.
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Less drama more actual discussion yes?
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So from what I'm reading. We now wait to see who the scum gonna kill and analyse the victim and those which he interacted with?
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I didn't, I was subbed really late and I didn't know there's a vote yet.
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On November 28 2011 06:10 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
As for the whole bit about double lynching at this moment in time. Why the fuck are we doing it? We have at the moment 9 modkills as we only know Ace is going to sub in. Chances are most of these are going to be townies and townies tend to be the bulk of modkills in games. So of 9 people we might get 1 or 2 reds IF we are lucky. More than likely we will have 9 townies. Why would you then want to double lynch? We would be down YM lynch, all of tonights shots, + all the modkills. If we don't have insanely good reads at this moment in time and miss lynch we lose another day towards lylo. My issue with this is the same people who are against vigi's shooting early and clearing out suspects are the ones pushing double lynch without 100% info. We have no idea if the mafia has their own vigis or lurker banes which could add even more KP ontop of their base 8. Wasting town KP, especially KP that the mafia can manipulate early on into the game baffles me beyond belief. The same people who opposed clearing out suspects with vigi's and dts confirming sanity are the same people pushing for the waste of double lynches.
A new take on the DL issue. Any comments on that?
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From everything I have read till now I have come to the conclusion that there are more benefits from NOT using DL so early in the game. Thus the veterans that claim otherwise get a scumnote in my book.
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On November 28 2011 08:42 Benjef wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 08:39 Benjef wrote: But I'm too bad (first game) to put a decent case on him / being bullied/accused into being scum >< */scared of being bullied/accused of being scum. I should read over what I say lol
To hell with that, us newbies should form a dictatorshipour own opinions and voice them as well as we can.
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On November 28 2011 09:35 Serejai wrote:INTRIGUE THE MAFIA SCUM First, his entire post history in this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285690&user=19405As you can see he's playing the "I don't have a clue what I'm doing" card. However, there's one major flaw with this approach: intrigue plays mafia offlineHe knows exactly what he's doing. So why would he pretend to be a complete newb? Because he's trying to hide his role by making people feel like he isn't a threat. Lynch intrigueAlso mafia and coming soon: sandroba Palmar supersoft redFF Greymist Annul kitaman Kurumi wherebugsgo
Does he really play mafia in other forums? That's indeed suspisious.
I'm sold on Palmar being a scum as well. For the rest no opinion at the moment.
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On November 28 2011 10:01 wherebugsgo wrote: since the double lynch is guaranteed for tomorrow I'm fine with lynching decon+serejai tomorrow.
Serejai wants to be useless, so the only two solutions to dealing with him are ignoring him or killing him.
How is he useless?
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I would also note that after filterting Serejaia's posts besides some spammy one liners and something that looked like a personal vendetta between him and redff all other posts are pretty solid. In fact Palmer quickly turned on him after being accused as scum and that demands attention considering the false lynch on ym.
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On November 28 2011 10:41 Palmar wrote: @medics, protect Ace.
If he's scum he will reveal it soon enough. If he's town, he's our best player.
What a devious plan by you.
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On November 28 2011 10:41 Palmar wrote: @medics, protect Ace.
If he's scum he will reveal it soon enough. If he's town, he's our best player.
That's as clear a scum tell as it gets for me. Couln't be any more clear cut tbh.
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Let me say that big mistakes cost. Palmer is paying the price for ym and if he proves to be town(if he get lynched) then Ace will get the same treatment.
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Can we note that Cheese on his first ever post on this thread attacked me?
I'm a newbie and obv a towny but I made scum predictions for Palmer. All my other posts were completely neutral. Thus he is simply trying to protect Palmer from 2nd day lynch by framing me.
Too tired to look for clues, will post after 8 hours.
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Ok I did a little research on profiles and found out that:
a)xtfftc has a pic with a dude waving a club. LSB was killed with a club.
b)Ohn has a pic of a forest. Syllogism has being killed in a forest.
I didn't really found anything else.
P.S Check my last post about cheese.
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Um, is Qatul guy playing or am I waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off?
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One of my votes will go to Palmer.
He has made the YM slip up and I'm not satisfied with the explaining he gave.
He has made the extremely obvious comment '' Medics don't target on Ace ''
He is now suddenly switching targets accusing prphlz. He realizes his time is nigh and he doesn't have enough sway against Ace so he needs an easier to frame scapegoat.
My other vote will probably go to xtfftc. Most damning evidence on his profile. I have news for you mate, a police bat is also a club.
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Edit: He said '' All medics target Ace'' not the other way around my bad.
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Ok triple post.
The ''All medics target Ace'' is extremely obvious as well for different reasons. I'm sure mafia would very much like it the town medics would protect only one player so they would get free reign on everyone else.
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On November 29 2011 06:28 Steveling wrote: I have news for you mate, a police bat is also a club. It might be a club, but it is not a wooden bat, matey.
Seriously?
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I loled. Can you admit that the evidence is there or I need to post a ''wooden bat'' image?
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Have already stated my opinion on Palmer. He's getting voted by me.
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On November 29 2011 08:04 Benjef wrote: Quick question on the day length cause I'm euro and my time stamps are screwed. Do we have 4 hours left or 28 hours left?
Sorry for inactivity today been a long day of chemistry -.-. Reading everything now!
28. The day cycle is 48hours.
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##vote Palmer ##vote xtfftc
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Someone asked for views on Erandorr.
Here's what got my attention
On November 26 2011 02:04 Erandorr wrote:
I will be voting for Palmar. He pushed a very solid campaign from the start and put a lot of effort in it. The effort part is actually important when trying to figure out his alignment. He kept activity high, engaged the new players in the conversation and discussed basicly every topic that got brought up. Thats more pro town than I have ever seen him play.
So, Palmar, a veteran and a good player(as people are saying) that himself has said he's better at town play than scum ( too tired to filter him to privide quote but I will do it if asked) is playing his most pro town play. Why would he make such a big mistake on YM then?
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Just remember guys that we don't need to martyr Ace. He was a towny but he might very well be off about his predictions.
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Come on guys. Half of dbg's posts are actually offensive. He may as well call the rest of us flat out idiots as far as I'm concerned. While in fact if he would spent 1/4th of his time filtering instead of complaining about others he would know that I for example was on Palmar before Ace joined the game. So yeah some of us are not any more sheeps than the veterans are. Is he usually that aggressive? Cause if not I get a scum attitude right there.
As for my last post about Ace I meant his predictions other than Palmar. I'm not at all concerned with Palmar flipping green since him being scum was my educated guess as well. I'm not trying to score with both sides. I posted that cause at the moment I disagree with dbg being a scum. His actions may very well be bad towny playing based on meta.
Cheese voted me. He has 4 or 5 posts and in each and every one of em he has called me scum. If that is not trolling on a new guy then, well, that's the reason why 99% of newbies are afraid to post.
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On November 29 2011 20:21 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2011 20:17 Steveling wrote: Come on guys. Half of dbg's posts are actually offensive. He may as well call the rest of us flat out idiots as far as I'm concerned. While in fact if he would spent 1/4th of his time filtering instead of complaining about others he would know that I for example was on Palmar before Ace joined the game. So yeah some of us are not any more sheeps than the veterans are. Is he usually that aggressive? Cause if not I get a scum attitude right there.
As for my last post about Ace I meant his predictions other than Palmar. I'm not at all concerned with Palmar flipping green since him being scum was my educated guess as well. I'm not trying to score with both sides. I posted that cause at the moment I disagree with dbg being a scum. His actions may very well be bad towny playing based on meta.
Cheese voted me. He has 4 or 5 posts and in each and every one of em he has called me scum. If that is not trolling on a new guy then, well, that's the reason why 99% of newbies are afraid to post. rofl. If you actually spent time reading the thread, you'd know that I say myself that I am aggressive as both alignments. Aggression is not a tell, just as stupidity is not a tell either. You don't catch scum based on whether they are vocal, quiet, dumb, or smart. You catch scum based on behavior. You catch scum, specifically, on them pushing scum-favored agenda with ill-reasoned arguments. If you cannot show how my play benefits scum more than it benefits town and how I am using bad logic or reasoning to further a scum agenda then you have no reason to be voting me.
Did you even read the other paragraphs? That's exactly why I did not vote you. Seriously.
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Being off to uni for some hours and came back to see 20 more pages filled. Da fuck.
We should really push for annul to be modkilled. It is justified after all. He is active and his filter regardless if he flips green or red will show us the alingment of some people. It's a free lynch he gave us with that edit mistake.
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On November 30 2011 02:18 vaderseven wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 02:15 Steveling wrote: Being off to uni for some hours and came back to see 20 more pages filled. Da fuck.
We should really push for annul to be modkilled. It is justified after all. He is active and his filter regardless if he flips green or red will show us the alingment of some people. It's a free lynch he gave us with that edit mistake. How would him flipping town tell us anything about other players. That has no logic behind it at all.
If he flips town we get to filter those who targeted him.
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On November 30 2011 02:32 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 02:15 Steveling wrote: Being off to uni for some hours and came back to see 20 more pages filled. Da fuck.
We should really push for annul to be modkilled. It is justified after all. He is active and his filter regardless if he flips green or red will show us the alingment of some people. It's a free lynch he gave us with that edit mistake. Complains about thread length.
Sorry but you are wrong.
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On November 30 2011 02:39 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 02:38 Steveling wrote:On November 30 2011 02:32 tree.hugger wrote:On November 30 2011 02:15 Steveling wrote: Being off to uni for some hours and came back to see 20 more pages filled. Da fuck.
Complains about thread length. Sorry but you are wrong. He looks pretty right to me. Got a better defense than "LOL NO"?
Yes and it's pretty simple. I was flabbergasted by the amount of posts.
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Layabout's filter is a big pile of non contributing posts. Yet he somehow feels motivated to post in length in his dispute with Jackal58(which surprise surprise flipped town) over Palmar. He now does the same thing standing up for WBG. WBG has his own history defending Palmar as well.
We are in for a great night gents.
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On November 30 2011 04:08 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 03:59 Steveling wrote: Layabout's filter is a big pile posts about the issues we faced on day 1, and a correct call on kitiman27 being a reliable town mayor Yet he somehow feels motivated to post in length in his dispute with Jackal58(which surprise surprise flipped town) over Palmar. He now does the same thing standing up for WBG. WBG has his own history defending Palmar as well.
We are in for a great night gents. "which surprise surprise flipped town" im asking you to use logic and reason when you post the "dispute" with jackal was me pointing out that 100% was an exaggeration based on numbers, it was explained to me that it was based upon ideas about how GMmarshall likes to balance games, i criticised the "reasoning" used to argue for lynching of WBG but to me the arguements were god-aweful WBG may be scum but based on what we know i don't see how you could conclude that from what has been said
Did you just edit my quote? You must have balls of steel to do that in the recent clusterfuck of rulebreaking we had. I think I have to report you.
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Zephirdd is another guy just like Cheese with less than 5 posts coming out and saying things without backing them up. Scum buddies much?
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Fuck me I was so wrong on Palmar. Palmar and Ace where at each others throats and both flipped green. That might be the case as well for wbg and cobbler. I'm so confused atm. I know that that might give some of you the opposite reads but I'm just gonna go and say it. My play is trolly and somewhat bad town but not scum. Do as you like.
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On November 30 2011 14:43 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 14:41 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On November 30 2011 14:40 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 30 2011 14:39 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On November 30 2011 14:38 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 30 2011 14:37 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Medics, do not under any circumstances protect WBG rofl you roll scum again cyber scum? I hope not, cause that means someone on my vig list is town! Not this time, it's a refreshing change of pace. But I am serious, medics protecting you is a bad idea. really? I wonder why that is? If you think I'm scum go ahead and call me out, otherwise any other prot tonight is moronic. Trust. I'm sorry but I can't trust anyone this game rofl. I don't even trust BC to be town, otherwise I'd tell medics to not bother cause BC should be protecting me. At this point I don't want to risk that because such a massive gambit on day 2 just to kill the mayor is a terrible move for scum if it involves no gain but the loss of, at the very least, 6 people. That switcharoo they pulled easily identified more than half of the scumteam for us.
I have to agree with wgb there. The votes switch is our biggest tell right now.
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Can we get a list of all the people on that bandwagon vote switch? DBG?
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I want to join Umlaut in this. At least if you are gonna accuse so many people you have to exhibit your cases. Inb4 I flip town.
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I don't see any reason to trust wbg at this point. Will probably follow with a filter even though his devious plan of making over 9000 posts spamming to hide his mistakes is going very well.
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How many of us are left? Mafia lost only 2 members so far, T_T.
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Ok guys. Hf with dbg as scum leading you. Just remember it when I flip town.
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Kenpachi is scum.
On December 01 2011 13:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Day 3: Massacre ![[image loading]](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XQlCMNOapwI/TjZo_XTWemI/AAAAAAAABVI/yPhPQyjOqDY/s1600/blood.jpg) Tnkted gazed up into the eyes of his opponent. He wouldn't show any weakness before the end. The man had tried to get the drop on him, but Tnkted was no slouch, and was able to put up a decent fight against his ambusher. However, as they had brawled through his office, Tnkted's strength eventually failed, and he fell beneath the blows of his adversary. Now he stood above Tnkted, victorious. He slowly pulled a revolver from behind his back, "Any last words?". Tnkted looked up and spat at his attacker, "Fuck you, scum". The other man, instead of responding with anger, merely smiled. "You know", he said, walking closer to Tnkted, "we're better than you. You might call us scum, but we're superior. We're faster, stronger, and smarter. We'll win in the end, you'll see". The grin widened, "Or, maybe you won't". Tnkted the Detective has been found shot in his office!
''You might call us scum, but we're superior. We're faster, stronger, and smarter. We'll win in the end, you'll see''
A quote from Kenpachi's profile
'''Why be the creation if I can be the creator? I am an elitist, therefore i am better than everyone.''
Hi you elitist scum.
All townies must consider the reason why dbg is pushing other people instead of kenpachi. If kenpachi flips town we will have a very strong case on dbg as well. Pls make your own decisions and do not blindly follow him.
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''If kenpachi flips town we will have a very strong case on dbg as well. Pls make your own decisions and do not blindly follow him.''
I meant if kenpachi flips scum.
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On December 02 2011 02:24 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 02:13 Lanaia wrote:On December 01 2011 20:54 Steveling wrote: ''If kenpachi flips town we will have a very strong case on dbg as well. Pls make your own decisions and do not blindly follow him.''
I meant if kenpachi flips scum.
Isn't WBG pushing fairly hard to get kenpachi lynched? WBG is my biggest town read at the moment. On November 30 2011 12:17 Ciryandor wrote:On November 30 2011 12:14 Risen wrote:On November 30 2011 12:13 Ciryandor wrote:On November 30 2011 12:12 Lanaia wrote: I just got back from doing homework and THIS is what I see? What the hell...
What kind of scumteam would do that? I don't even understand... My brain is like... exploding.
Yeah, if I could, I'd hit them. Come on, nightpost! It's daypost. Why are you even posting. Every townie knows you're scum now, just activate your night power and pray you don't get hit tonight or lynched tomorrow. Other than that your participation is no longer necessary and it's just spam. FUCK YOU, WE GOT BOTH PALMAR AND BC. SAY GOODBYE TO TOWN. Nisani, pretty sure THIS is the case on Ciryandor. He's mafia -_- All the ones that got caught are just trolling the shit out of the thread to sow as much confusion as possible. As WBG said, ignore everyone on this list: Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 19:56 wherebugsgo wrote: Serejai Sprungjeezy Kenpachi vaderseven Ciryandor prplhz Coagulation (meta) Erandorr Mattchew Steveling Soap AmericanUmlaut Drazerk Lemonwalrus (meta) sinani206
##Vote: Kenpachi ##Vote: CiryandorMost important thing right now is to start eliminating the clues pointing towards confirmed scum. That way we can focus on the connecting the other clues to the lurkers and other people who's alignments are ambiguous. The Zeks clue on day one and the Kenpachi clue from today is a good start. Lets see can we find a couple more.
How exactly my name is in there is beyond me.
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On December 02 2011 02:35 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 02:29 Steveling wrote:On December 02 2011 02:24 deconduo wrote:On December 02 2011 02:13 Lanaia wrote:On December 01 2011 20:54 Steveling wrote: ''If kenpachi flips town we will have a very strong case on dbg as well. Pls make your own decisions and do not blindly follow him.''
I meant if kenpachi flips scum.
Isn't WBG pushing fairly hard to get kenpachi lynched? WBG is my biggest town read at the moment. On November 30 2011 12:17 Ciryandor wrote:On November 30 2011 12:14 Risen wrote:On November 30 2011 12:13 Ciryandor wrote:On November 30 2011 12:12 Lanaia wrote: I just got back from doing homework and THIS is what I see? What the hell...
What kind of scumteam would do that? I don't even understand... My brain is like... exploding.
Yeah, if I could, I'd hit them. Come on, nightpost! It's daypost. Why are you even posting. Every townie knows you're scum now, just activate your night power and pray you don't get hit tonight or lynched tomorrow. Other than that your participation is no longer necessary and it's just spam. FUCK YOU, WE GOT BOTH PALMAR AND BC. SAY GOODBYE TO TOWN. Nisani, pretty sure THIS is the case on Ciryandor. He's mafia -_- All the ones that got caught are just trolling the shit out of the thread to sow as much confusion as possible. As WBG said, ignore everyone on this list: On December 01 2011 19:56 wherebugsgo wrote: Serejai Sprungjeezy Kenpachi vaderseven Ciryandor prplhz Coagulation (meta) Erandorr Mattchew Steveling Soap AmericanUmlaut Drazerk Lemonwalrus (meta) sinani206
##Vote: Kenpachi ##Vote: CiryandorMost important thing right now is to start eliminating the clues pointing towards confirmed scum. That way we can focus on the connecting the other clues to the lurkers and other people who's alignments are ambiguous. The Zeks clue on day one and the Kenpachi clue from today is a good start. Lets see can we find a couple more. How exactly my name is in there is beyond me. Even that one post is enough: -Saying WBG is defending kenpachi -Saying to lynch WBG when kepachi flips scum
Dude I have linked 3 profiles with clues. I was the first one to post each and every one of them. Some other guys who tried to make some half ass clue analysis (dbg for example) just copied me. How can you say that I am scum, the fuck.
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Also I like the pic in your profile deconduo. Some dudes on a yawht.
On December 01 2011 13:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote: [b] xtfftc stumbled forward, splashing into the water. He heard the crunch footsteps in sand, as his assailant followed him. xtfftc clenched his fingers into the mud, and tried to scrabble forward, pulling himself. He didn't make it far, however, before he felt a heavy boot in the center of his back and was pushed back down. He tried to get up again, but this time it was his head that was being pushed down, into the water. He struggled to breathe, as he took water into his lungs, and each time he managed to bring his head above the water long enough to cough and breathe, it was quickly pushed back down. Soon enough, though, his struggles became weaker, and eventually ceased, before his corpse was left afloat, water gently lapping around it near the shore.
xtfftc the Detective has been drowned!
So that's that. BAM!
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Ok here's another find. This is gonna shock you I say.
On December 01 2011 13:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Day 3: Massacre ![[image loading]](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XQlCMNOapwI/TjZo_XTWemI/AAAAAAAABVI/yPhPQyjOqDY/s1600/blood.jpg) Supersoft followed the usher out of the theater. There was a man outside, asking for him by name, and claiming it was an emergency. He didn't particularly like the film, so it wasn't a great sacrifice to leave and see what the man wanted. Still carrying his popcorn, he followed his guide to the back doors of the theatre, where he was shown out. The doors closed behind him, and Supersoft turned around, then turned around again, as a man walked out of the darkness. "Are you the one who asked for me?", Supersoft stammered, "who are you?" The man said nothing, and instead raised the small pistol he was holding, taking careful aim at the stupefied Supersoft before shooting him. Supersoft crumpled to the ground, and the other man stepped forward to the body. Kneeling, he extracted the bag of popcorn from where it was still clenched in Supersoft's hands, and ate a few pieces. Getting up and still carrying the bag of popcorn he walked away, back into the darkness. Supersoft the Vanilla Townie has been shot!
What got my attention here was the meaningless focus on the popcorn. It should obviously be a clue. After searching all profiles and not finding anything it suddenly strike me. The person who killed supersoft and also is fond of popcorn is one of the guys who posted the [b]popcorn eating smily just before the mod-post on page 222. This is what I'm talking about btw . Those persons where jackal58 (dead), hiro protagonist( subbed?), dmans, toadesstern, redff, risen, mattchew, intrigue, jaybrundage, bumatlarge, serejai, wbg and brownbear(dead). As you see there are plenty of active, alive people in this list. After searching all of these profiles I found that in bumatlarge's profile.
'''I live in a subway under the city yeah thats how i like it bitch, dark and gritty''
which matches perfectly with this from the murder scene
'''Getting up and still carrying the bag of popcorn he walked away, back into the darkness.''
Now the only problem I had was that bumatlarge didn't post the popcorn icon, but a dude drinking coke and holding a bug of premade popcorns. He posted this ![[image loading]](http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/silverfox.gif)
I was somewhat dissapointed since it's not as clear evidence as if he had just posted the smily but then found this treasure in his filter.
On December 01 2011 13:41 bumatlarge wrote:Supersoft is town Show nested quote +Supersoft crumpled to the ground, and the other man stepped forward to the body. Kneeling, he extracted the bag of popcorn from where it was still clenched in Supersoft's hands, and ate a few pieces. Getting up and still carrying the bag of popcorn he walked away, back into the darkness. lol wow ##Vote Kenpachi ##Vote Ciryandor
He commented exactly on the popcorn situation, because he thought that it was a pretty clever way from the mods to hide him. And it was; but commenting on it is not a smart thing to do dear scum bumatlarge. You might also note how he votes for his already exposed scum buddies.
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I still have not heard of any good reason why you think of me as scum dbg.
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The recent emo-switch of WBG made me think he's scum. He was still trying after we lost both Ace and Palmar, so some useless townies getting modkilled is not a game ending senario.
I'm voting no the draw.
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On December 03 2011 00:34 Toadesstern wrote: what does MP stand for? :D
Mana points.
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I'm up for deciding this like men. On bw, sc2, dota2, or cs. Choose your weapon scum!
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Ok, fuck peer pressure, I voted yes.
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All in all I was awesome at this game.
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