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On December 02 2011 00:21 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 00:00 Mattchew wrote:
##vote Serejai
##vote Sprungjeezy
Do I need to say more? Yea, why not kenpachi or ciryandor? Or did you miss the last 20 pages?
Sprungjeezy is by far the most scummy with his lurker status and scum slipped votes
Serejai has been trolling and trolling and scum voting the whole game.
Ken is like 90% likely to be scum.. or he could just be trolling as others have mentioned he has done in the past
ciry is 99.9% likely to be scum... but he's not as annoying as serejai and has actually added some useful posts to the thread...
w.e its those 4 and vader that should be up... their all scum
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On December 01 2011 17:38 Hier wrote:
Vaderseven. Such a dangerous player.
Chronologically:
-Votes for himself in the elections, as a place holder. However, does briefly mention that he would be voting Palmar, although doesn't actually end up changing his vote. At that time Palmar had a 17 vote lead on sandroba, who was the runner up.
Read: Neutral. Sheeping versus hiding in the crowd.
I really hate day 1 elections because it requires.you to make a huge game changing call on the smallest amount of info.
-My breakout post comes up, to which WBG responds by calling me a scum in the very first line. Vaderseven proceeds to heavily agree with WBG twice (in response to two of WBG's posts) without actually adding anything.
Read: Neutral. However, even though quite a few people were giving me a dirty look, an opportunity like that is too easily exploitable by the mafia. A scum would latch onto the first big accusatory post and blend in into the agreement parade without having to actually contribute anything.
-Following that ordeal he does not feel confident lynching youngminii. However, concedes after some exchange with Palmar, who pretty much had the election won at that point.
Read: Neutral. However, for a mafia player it would be important not to support the lynch of every town player one can get his hands on. In this case he recognized that I am considered scummy by several people and that would be comfortable to cling onto, even if it means displaying doubts of youngminii's town alignment.
-Heavily criticizes directing power roles.
Read: Town. I completely agree, a mafia member definitely has a say in what kind of names gets included in hit lists.
-Heavily criticizes night discussions.
Read: Town. Although debatable, it is true; townies discussing things other than lynching at night can only serve as information for mafia to consider when deciding who to protect with medics and who they need to kill as soon as possible.
-Heavily criticizes Zeks' role claim(s).
Read: Town. Zeks' fiasco was very suspicious, even if one would ignore the clue from the previous night.
-Realizes Palmar has 3 votes per vote and instantly is against lynching him. This is after being mostly anti-Palmar.
Read: mafia. Purely because that power has no benefit for town if Palmar were to be scum. Changes his vote from me to Risen in order to bump Palmar off the leading candidates for lynching. His motivation for it is still suspicious.
I was putting a fact out that Palmer as town was the strongest town role possible. He could auto win in lull minus 1 and has bodygaurds whoooooaaaaaaa awesome. Sadly BC and Palmer acted scummy all day.
-While BC was arguing with WBG about Palmar, Vaderseven recognizes BC's arguments (accusing Palmar of being mafia) scummish and votes him for a lynch.
Read: Neutral. A difference of opinion, fine.
No you don't get it. I was sure at that point that BC and Palmer were both scum. BC's case looked so fake on Palmer and Palmer emo quits as votes leave him. Its very scummy to be like oh noons cares about that case on me cool then I wont post. BC made that easy cuz his case had no logic to it at all. BCs case made it easy to think there was no case because it was purposely bad (or so I thought). I brought the scummy slip of zeks (because I wanted to see how BC would respound and he called it good play. Now I was pretty sure that zeks was just a newborn and was trying to point out that Boone knew if he was a Miller because he thought the clue was bad. Again, I was wrong. O me, zeks looked like a newborn being sac'd via a nonsense defense (which will make people vote him (ie if that's his defense and its so bad he must be scum)) on zeks when there was a good defense available that I even offered subtlly (that Guy is new and bad) combo'd with a reverse of that in his awful case on Palmer that just reeked of bussing due to no real evidence.
If you doubt what I say there look at BCs filter.Then Vaderseven exposed all of his cards.-Drops Zeks and votes Palmar 1 minute before the deadline without any explanation at all. Read: MafiaShow nested quote +On November 30 2011 12:05 vaderseven wrote:
Lol zeks.
I think sheriff made 2nd place did he not? -Suddenly Zeks was a dumb lynch, after so adamantly accusing his play of being scummy. Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 12:17 vaderseven wrote:
Thats why zeks is a dumb lynch. I figured I would need to bread crumb it to make this gambit work.
Read: Mafia. Throughout all of this most of his arguments made sense, had content to them, and were reasonably logical. So dangerous.
Your so called brings up nothing new and ignores alot of what I said. You then resort to fear tactics as your concluding remark.
I have no idea what align you are but ignoring my points and using fear tactics feels scummy to me. It could be irate omgus right now and there is way better cases to vote on right now.
The single scummiest thing you are doing is voting somebody using fear tactics and half information when we have two people that scumclaimed.
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On December 02 2011 00:37 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 00:21 GreYMisT wrote:On December 02 2011 00:00 Mattchew wrote:
##vote Serejai
##vote Sprungjeezy
Do I need to say more? Yea, why not kenpachi or ciryandor? Or did you miss the last 20 pages? Sprungjeezy is by far the most scummy with his lurker status and scum slipped votes Serejai has been trolling and trolling and scum voting the whole game. Ken is like 90% likely to be scum.. or he could just be trolling as others have mentioned he has done in the past ciry is 99.9% likely to be scum... but he's not as annoying as serejai and has actually added some useful posts to the thread... w.e its those 4 and vader that should be up... their all scum
you do recognize that if cyri is 99,9% scum and added some useful posts to the thread those posts probably are a problem for town because some people think they're useful which will may end up in changeing someones mind because hey, he's doing some useful stuff here.
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Lull = lylo
Boone= Boone
O me = to me
your so called case*
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On December 02 2011 00:46 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 00:37 Mattchew wrote:On December 02 2011 00:21 GreYMisT wrote:On December 02 2011 00:00 Mattchew wrote:
##vote Serejai
##vote Sprungjeezy
Do I need to say more? Yea, why not kenpachi or ciryandor? Or did you miss the last 20 pages? Sprungjeezy is by far the most scummy with his lurker status and scum slipped votes Serejai has been trolling and trolling and scum voting the whole game. Ken is like 90% likely to be scum.. or he could just be trolling as others have mentioned he has done in the past ciry is 99.9% likely to be scum... but he's not as annoying as serejai and has actually added some useful posts to the thread... w.e its those 4 and vader that should be up... their all scum you do recognize that if cyri is 99,9% scum and added some useful posts to the thread those posts probably are a problem for town because some people think they're useful which will may end up in changeing someones mind because hey, he's doing some useful stuff here.
his logic helped lead to the lynching of zeks a mafia member. just because he trolled for a post or 2 doesnt mean he didn't contribute way more to town than the other 4 blatant mafia members... read his post history
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On December 02 2011 00:49 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 00:46 Toadesstern wrote:On December 02 2011 00:37 Mattchew wrote:On December 02 2011 00:21 GreYMisT wrote:On December 02 2011 00:00 Mattchew wrote:
##vote Serejai
##vote Sprungjeezy
Do I need to say more? Yea, why not kenpachi or ciryandor? Or did you miss the last 20 pages? Sprungjeezy is by far the most scummy with his lurker status and scum slipped votes Serejai has been trolling and trolling and scum voting the whole game. Ken is like 90% likely to be scum.. or he could just be trolling as others have mentioned he has done in the past ciry is 99.9% likely to be scum... but he's not as annoying as serejai and has actually added some useful posts to the thread... w.e its those 4 and vader that should be up... their all scum you do recognize that if cyri is 99,9% scum and added some useful posts to the thread those posts probably are a problem for town because some people think they're useful which will may end up in changeing someones mind because hey, he's doing some useful stuff here. his logic helped lead to the lynching of zeks a mafia member. just because he trolled for a post or 2 doesnt mean he didn't contribute way more to town than the other 4 blatant mafia members... read his post history
still if he's mafia no matter what he said is just a gamble for town. Even if the things he said turn out to be great for town there's no way to know if the next phrase he says is going to be helpful or manipulation. I'd rather lynch a mafia who's got some influence first.
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On December 01 2011 23:37 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
To answer the questions: Yes. In comparison to Kenpachi, his activity levels. And a freebie, they both read scum to me.
The very fact you just defended him so quickly and with such convincing demeanour makes me much more inclined to lynch him first, and then you afterward when he flips red.
Your argument is scummy as hell. You are arguing in favor of a less probable mafia lynch and you're doing it using bullshit logic. I think you are scum and are attempting to plant potential lynches for tomorrow because you can't do anything to stop today's surefire double mafia lynch.
The comparison between Steveling and Kenpachi's activity levels are enough to convince you that he's more likely to be mafia than someone who more or less identified himself as scum? Wrong. Steveling has posted more than Kenpachi, both in total post count (67 to 63) and in content. Kenpachi has made a grand total of 11 posts that are not literal one-liners, and I see no more than three that contain actual content. Steveling's posts are mostly pretty short, but most of them contain content and they don't read as scummy to me.
Check for yourselves:
Steveling's filter
Kenpachi's filter
Your vote for a less probable scum lynch given the presence of self-outed mafia is strike one in my mind. Your resorting to illogical and demonstrably false reasons when asked for an explanation is strike two.
And now that I'm taking the time to look:
Cyber_Cheese's filter
23 posts since the game started, almost none of which have actually contributed in any way to the conversation. Your one attempt to actually argue for action is this bit of gold
On November 30 2011 14:37 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Medics, do not under any circumstances protect WBG
Outright calling for the death of probably the clearest town read and most active player in the game.
That's three. Cyber_Cheese is scum. If any vigilantes want to take a shot at him tonight, they'd be doing us a favor. Otherwise he belongs in our lynch list after the last-second vote switchers have all been taken out.
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On December 02 2011 00:50 vaderseven wrote:
Boone = no one
Poor Boone. 
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Good point on cyber cheese saying Lynch someone who is a less scum flip... that's downright missleading.
Just say don't Lynch the scummiest Guy Lynch this dude instead.
If I understand the setup correctly the more scum that die the less night kills they get.
Dong anything but lynching the two that scum claimed today is just anti town to the Max.
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Guys, I'm 100% confirmed scum. The mafia says so.
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mods can you put the last kills (mafia ones)in the "important posts" link, thx
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OK what is the case against CIryandor other than the fact that he did the last minute voteswitch?
Also let's kill Kenpachi.
##Vote: Kenpachi
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On December 01 2011 20:54 Steveling wrote:
''If kenpachi flips town we will have a very strong case on dbg as well. Pls make your own decisions and do not blindly follow him.''
I meant if kenpachi flips scum.
Isn't WBG pushing fairly hard to get kenpachi lynched?
WBG is my biggest town read at the moment.
On November 30 2011 12:17 Ciryandor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 12:14 Risen wrote:On November 30 2011 12:13 Ciryandor wrote:On November 30 2011 12:12 Lanaia wrote:
I just got back from doing homework and THIS is what I see? What the hell...
What kind of scumteam would do that?
I don't even understand...
My brain is like... exploding.
Yeah, if I could, I'd hit them.
Come on, nightpost! It's daypost. Why are you even posting. Every townie knows you're scum now, just activate your night power and pray you don't get hit tonight or lynched tomorrow. Other than that your participation is no longer necessary and it's just spam. FUCK YOU, WE GOT BOTH PALMAR AND BC. SAY GOODBYE TO TOWN.
Nisani, pretty sure THIS is the case on Ciryandor.
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On December 02 2011 02:08 Nisani201 wrote:
OK what is the case against CIryandor other than the fact that he did the last minute voteswitch?
Also let's kill Kenpachi.
##Vote: Kenpachi
lol filter him.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
lol, so much absurd stuff happened while I wasn't reading. That took a lot of catching up.
So we have five confirmed mafia by my count? (Vote switchers)
And one confirmed town? (BC, right?)
Even though the kills last night were pretty bad for us (there's at least one really embarrassed vigi out there right now) I feel like we're in a better place than we were last day. We've got a list of mafia we can cull for today and tomorrow, and we've got two high profile confirmed town targets, even if we were successfully duped into lynching one, we can probably get a lot from the voting lists.
One thing I'm worried about is that today's lynches are going to be pretty unanimous, and we're not going to get any new information out of it. So even after we kill Ciryandor and Kenpachi, I'm a little unhappy that we won't be able to get info on other people too. But I guess that's not so bad a problem to have? We should have a lot from last day.
A word of warning too, I'm flying to Finland tomorrow, so I'll probably be active against towards the end of the current day period, but not in the middle.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Idea for getting information today: Let's assume Ciryandor and Kenpachi are givens, and start talking about the next day lynch? That way, everyone's voice can be heard on that, even the people who will die the next night?
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On December 02 2011 02:13 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 20:54 Steveling wrote:
''If kenpachi flips town we will have a very strong case on dbg as well. Pls make your own decisions and do not blindly follow him.''
I meant if kenpachi flips scum.
Isn't WBG pushing fairly hard to get kenpachi lynched? WBG is my biggest town read at the moment. Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 12:17 Ciryandor wrote:On November 30 2011 12:14 Risen wrote:On November 30 2011 12:13 Ciryandor wrote:On November 30 2011 12:12 Lanaia wrote:
I just got back from doing homework and THIS is what I see? What the hell...
What kind of scumteam would do that?
I don't even understand...
My brain is like... exploding.
Yeah, if I could, I'd hit them.
Come on, nightpost! It's daypost. Why are you even posting. Every townie knows you're scum now, just activate your night power and pray you don't get hit tonight or lynched tomorrow. Other than that your participation is no longer necessary and it's just spam. FUCK YOU, WE GOT BOTH PALMAR AND BC. SAY GOODBYE TO TOWN. Nisani, pretty sure THIS is the case on Ciryandor.
He's mafia -_-
All the ones that got caught are just trolling the shit out of the thread to sow as much confusion as possible. As WBG said, ignore everyone on this list:
On December 01 2011 19:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
Serejai
Sprungjeezy
Kenpachi
vaderseven
Ciryandor
prplhz
Coagulation (meta)
Erandorr
Mattchew
Steveling
Soap
AmericanUmlaut
Drazerk
Lemonwalrus (meta)
sinani206
##Vote: Kenpachi
##Vote: Ciryandor
Most important thing right now is to start eliminating the clues pointing towards confirmed scum. That way we can focus on the connecting the other clues to the lurkers and other people who's alignments are ambiguous. The Zeks clue on day one and the Kenpachi clue from today is a good start. Lets see can we find a couple more.
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Guys, I've been doing some thinking. If we have town who is inactive and are actually vigilantes, would their kills be used at all?
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