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On November 21 2011 19:44 Zephirdd wrote:
He also seems to be blind to prplhz's reasoning and is just following the case with the Caps Lock thing, just like scum would do it(attacking out of the slightest argument)
I´m not convinced by his reasoning because nothing he says actually defend what he did. He still thinks he made it clear that he was against a sinani lynch, and that "LESS PEOPLE ON SINANI" was a well thought out post, which should have swayed Town opinion and saved sinani.
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On November 21 2011 16:36 xsksc wrote:
Just woke up and skimmed the thread, got to run for work now.
Just realised I hadn't voted yet, I'll post explanations for these later, hopefully during lunch.
##Vote: Prphlz
##Vote: Nisani201
You misspelled your vote on prplhz. Zbot didn´t count it.
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On November 21 2011 22:00 prplhz wrote:
Can't you look for an alternative now then, so you will not end up lynching some ill-advised secondary opinion?
What are you saying? That it will come to the situation Palmar described, that you will claim and we will lynch someone else in a haste? If you have anything else to defend yourself with, then post it now. I´ve allready spent most of the night and almost all of the day trying to lynch you. If you can prove I´m wrong about you then do it now, so we can put the next 12 hours to use by finding other scummy players. If you don´t have anything, then I´ll keep doing what I do, I´d rather focus on the case I built than try to follow the other weaker scumreads.
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My case on prplhz is based on what he did around the sinani lynch. Sinani was very close to getting lynched at the end of the day, which is when prplhz posted his "defence" of sinani. The defence wasn´t clear that he wanted people to NOT lynch sinani, and even if it didn´t, it was posted as a one-liner ALL CAPS, which coming from a player who has posted like that the whole game, makes most people want to ignore him. The defence didn´t have much hope to succeed in the first place, not when the first post was just one line, and the post with a decent reasoning of why we shouldn´t lynch sinani came too late, 2 minutes before the lynch. prplhz posted a defence he must have known would not save sinani, but only be a token defence, telling us that he was against the lynch. If he really wanted to save sinani, he should have put more effort into it, this tells me he didn´t want to help sinani.
The relevant posts where prplhz defend sinani206. + Show Spoiler +prplhz defending sinani206 7 minutes before the lynch; On November 18 2011 10:53 prplhz wrote:
##Vote bumatlarge
oh my god you suck
MORE PEOPLE ON DRAZERK, HIRORUBY, AND CYBER_CHEESE
LESS PEOPLE ON SINANI206
THANK YOU prplhz defending sinani206 2 minutes before the deadline, right after hyshes had cast the 14th vote; On November 18 2011 10:58 prplhz wrote:
I don't know if Zona isn't just gonna give a warning first. I don't think I've been here for the last 24 hours either but hopefully I'm not getting modkilled. I mean sometimes you don't have all the time in the world and sometimes you forget how long it's been since last time you posted, it's not like either of us have been lurking all game.
I actually think sinani206 has been surprisingly helpful to town this game compared to some of his other games. So please don't lynch him just because he's a lurker, day1 has already killed off one lurker who was most likely town. prplhz lamenting that his defence didn´t save sinani206; On November 18 2011 11:33 prplhz wrote:hahahaha that lynch was totally your fault l2p you can't expect everybody to think that your lurking oneliner style is the greatest thing ever in mafia so stop being an asshole about it
After sinani was lynched, I called out prplhz on this. The first posts were the usual ignoring pressure, but eventually he took the case seriously. He says that his defence of sinani was actually meant to help (he later took this back), that he thought it could save sinani, that it was irrelevant that it was posted in ALL CAPS because Townies would take it seriously anyway. This didn´t make any sense, sinani should have known that he wouldn´t have been taken seriously for posting in ALL CAPS.
Finally he resorted to defend himself by pointing out that he himself didn´t vote for sinani, saying that those who did are the ones we should be suspicious of. That is the real reason for the token defence, as Scum he knew sinani was a mislynch, he could sit back and defend sinani for Towncred, and to throw suspicion on the townies involved with the mislynch. Being under pressure didn´t allow him to go with the original plan, but he still used this argument to try and defend himself.
The relevant posts of prplhz defending himself and attempts to throw suspicion on others. + Show Spoiler +prplhz saying he did what he could to stop the lynch; On November 19 2011 22:02 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 20:42 Forumite wrote:
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I haven´t yet found a reason to reevaluate my new stance on prplhz. His play during the sinani hammering stand out as a player who wanted sinani dead while simultaenously making it look like his hands were clean, thereby avoiding the guilt of lynching a Town player. If he was against the lynch then he should have made an attempt to call it off, if he wanted to lynch sinani then he should have voted, not wanting to do either tells me he wanted sinani dead without having to do it himself, and only a Scum would act like that.
##Vote: prplhz Show nested quote +On November 18 2011 10:53 prplhz wrote:
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MORE PEOPLE ON DRAZERK, HIRORUBY, AND CYBER_CHEESE
LESS PEOPLE ON SINANI206
THANK YOU I highlighted the important part in bold and removed part of my post since you were apparently too lazy to read the whole thing in the first place. I thought I made my opinion very accessible but apparently not accessible enough. This was before he got hammered. Do you really think I stand out as a player who wanted sinani206 dead? Did I not make an attempt to call it off? Do I even have the power to call anything off, and in spite of this, did I not do everything I could to prevent sinani206 from being lynched?sinani206 ALWAYS sucks, I just thought he sucked considerably less in this game. Yes, I actually thought sinani206 was playing very well ... that is, compared to how he usually plays. We'd already lynched one lurker (I wanted him to perform because I know he's great at mafia, he shot two scum in XLV, and then when I came back you morons had actually lynched him on no ground at all, sucks) and as I'd already stated in the thread, lynching lurkers is something scum likes a lot more than town. I think this is very weird because I really didn't think you were this dumb. prplhz throwing suspicion at those who lynched sinani, a lynch he himself avoided taking a stand on;On November 20 2011 02:31 prplhz wrote:
So ... I wasn't around and when I was around I had to go through 20 pages of chaoser and Palmar and wherebugsgo going at it and then finally when I reached the end of that shitstorm, I arrive at people wanting to lynch another known lurker. I didn't have a decidedly town read on him but I didn't think he was scummy enough at all. Look at his posts, all one liners. I just think they looked like he actually tried to contribute with his single lines compared to other games so I wrote in caps lock DO NOT LYNCH. Why the hell aren't you focusing on the moron who actually went ahead and lynched him instead, I believe it was hyshes but don't hold me up on that.
Now I am defending people in the interest of getting them lynched? Well that's up hill now wouldn't you say so. I said what I meant, the guy shouldn't get lynched. Blaming me for getting him lynched is stupid when all I ever said was that he was a moron but that he was probably town and people shouldn't vote him.
@hyshes
Why the hell did you vote sinani206 after I had written IN CAPS LOCK that you shouldn't vote him? Why did you think it was a good idea? What kind of information did you hope to gain from it? What information did you actually end up gaining? You didn't comment on his lynch at all since it happened so it doesn't seem like you got any information from it. Also your filter is very underwhelming at first sight, didn't have time to read it through 'cause I kinda have to go cook some food right now. Again accusing the people on the lynch;On November 20 2011 04:23 prplhz wrote:
This is insanity, I wrote before he was hammered that I wanted less people to vote for him. How is this subtly wanting him dead? I never called for a lynch on sinani206 at all, a lot of people voted him for shitty reasons and you should look at them instead. Look at people who voted him even though they know his meta. Look at hyshes who just ignored everything and played the newbie card voting for a guy in spite of all warnings.
I'm gonna read your god damn filter later, I had to go cook food 'cause my sister was bitching at me, does that make me scum? Jesus christ.
I never said that caps lock equals convincing statement, but does it equal unconvincing statement? I posted my opinion very clearly. Unfortunately I was too late and hyshes didn't give a shit anyway (who the hell doesn't take a post seriously just because it's in caps, jesus christ. If you had any doubts, why didn't you ask before you hammered?) so sinani206 ended up lynched. Not a big deal anyway, it's not like he would have scum hunted ever and his role required a lot of skill to use. Would have been useful at a mylo though.
##Unvote Drazerk
For now. He has said that he made an attempt to call of the lynch, and now back off, saying he didn´t defend sinani; On November 20 2011 05:06 prplhz wrote:
I never said that I defended sinani206, I honestly don't care that you killed him 'cause he would have been useless anyway, I just had a slight townie feeling about him because I thought he was trying harder than he was in PYP:I where he was scum. And there is no reason to lynch a townie, though with sinani206 there's not much reason to not lynch him either.
If you would rather listen to "stop voting i think he's town" than "STOP VOTING" then what the hell.
I see your logic, but I don't think that's what I did. I wrote my opinion, if you don't care about it because it's in caps then that's your fault. My statements were not hard to read at all and I made my opinion pretty clear.
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Palmar, your defence of prplhz around the sinani206 lynch is that he was uncomfortable defending a player he thought was Town? That´s still Anti-Town and something most Scum would do, so how is this a defence?
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On November 21 2011 22:29 Palmar wrote:
So yeah, for transparency and people just looking for the verdict (though I would argue that reading the entire thought process is extremely helpful) I'm going to (despite never having voted him)
##Unvote: prplhz
That´s not transparency, that´s you trying to trick people into thinking the wagon on prplhz just stopped. If you want transparency, post that you think prplhz is Town with big green letters.
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On November 21 2011 23:25 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 23:09 Forumite wrote:
Palmar, your defence of prplhz around the sinani206 lynch is that he was uncomfortable defending a player he thought was Town? That´s still Anti-Town and something most Scum would do, so how is this a defence? It isn't a defense. I didn't defend him around the sinani206 case. As I stated, the post was written as I read through prplhz's posts. If I had stopped there I probably would've voted prplhz, because the two things that are really off on him, are what he did around the sinani206 lynch, and what he did to try to discredit me. I didn't stop reading, I went through, and in the end, despite that I think he's town. I have explained what I think about him, and in great detail how I came to that conclusion. I wasn't straight up defending him, because I only decided my conclusion right at the end of that post.
So basically I caught his scummyness around the Day 1 lynch, but since he´s been very carefull in his posting and has managed to convince you to overlook the earlier misstep, even though there is no way to defend what he did.
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On November 21 2011 22:29 Palmar wrote:
Another thing that really works in prplhz's favor is the fact that he doesn't lose sight of the end goal while he's being scrutinized. He has all the while through defending himself kept calling people out for bullshit and attempted to create cases.
I recall that this was used as an argument against Kenpachi, people said he was creating chaos because he was accusing people more than he was defending himself.
During all this I haven´t found any defence of prplhz. Those who think him Town do this because of the rest of his posts, but noone can find a pro-Town reason for his actions around the sinani lynch, the best that has been presented is Palmar explaining it as prplhz not feeling comfortable to defend someone he thought was Town.
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On November 21 2011 23:59 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 23:51 Forumite wrote:On November 21 2011 23:25 Palmar wrote:On November 21 2011 23:09 Forumite wrote:
Palmar, your defence of prplhz around the sinani206 lynch is that he was uncomfortable defending a player he thought was Town? That´s still Anti-Town and something most Scum would do, so how is this a defence? It isn't a defense. I didn't defend him around the sinani206 case. As I stated, the post was written as I read through prplhz's posts. If I had stopped there I probably would've voted prplhz, because the two things that are really off on him, are what he did around the sinani206 lynch, and what he did to try to discredit me. I didn't stop reading, I went through, and in the end, despite that I think he's town. I have explained what I think about him, and in great detail how I came to that conclusion. I wasn't straight up defending him, because I only decided my conclusion right at the end of that post. So basically I caught his scummyness around the Day 1 lynch, but since he´s been very carefull in his posting and has managed to convince you to overlook the earlier misstep, even though there is no way to defend what he did. Yes. Why do you care? You're probably town too, and no matter how this goes down I'm going to look bad for it. You're not going to be swayed. Do you not want discussion? You asked for my thoughts, these are my thoughts. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right.
Just making things clear. It sounded in your post and the unvote like you had the perfect defence for prplhz, but in the end you didn´t touch on the issue that caused all this.
What I think is suspicious about you is your defence of prplhz, but that only makes you Scum if prplhz is Scum.
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On November 22 2011 00:15 chaoser wrote:
while I'm still here:
##vote: prplhz
##vote: palmar
I don´t know if I should thank you for voting prplhz, or vote to get you lynched for voting without explanation... 
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The ones shown on the votelist are 8, with Sabin010, Lanaia and xsksc it makes 11 votes.
I don´t think prplhz is lynched yet.
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On November 22 2011 03:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 03:27 Lanaia wrote:
Okay...
So I've read what's happened since page 77/78 (whenever I last posted). prplhz's reactions in the last few pages have really bothered me. I'm going to vote him. His case on risk is not the greatest.
##vote: prplhz
Unless I'm mistaken, thats makes 12. Prplhz is effectively dead come night, so there is no point discussing him. Anyone around that hasn't taken a stance on Chaoser/Palmar, I want to hear your opinion. Lets get discussion going again before it becomes last minute like Sinani.
I think there are 11 votes on prplhz right now. He is not lynched yet, so we can´t dismiss him just yet.
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Nisani201 is focused, he´s been pushing Palmar, WBG and Cyber_Cheese all game long. If you find this disruptive probably depend on if you are one of those being pushed or not. Right now I don´t see a problem with keeping him around. I don´t think Nisani is a good lynch.
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On November 22 2011 04:22 Coagulation wrote:
##vote: prplhz
I wouldnt mind lynching ROL either after his "LOL LETS LYNCH KENPACHI"
a real credit to town.
And hammered. prplhz will be lynched in 6.5 hours.
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There are several players that have been posting very little this last day. I don´t think lynching lurkers will get the desired effect with so little time left in the day, so I suggest we focus on the current vote leaders.
Lemonwalrus and Chaoser, why should they be lynched? Is there a strong case on eitehr of them or general scumread and disruptive behavior?
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Not that I have any interest in lynching him today, I just want Zephirdd to contribute more. The one post from him today that I remember is when he voted me, then disappeared again.
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On November 22 2011 06:39 prplhz wrote:
Hmm that sucks. Well I have a pretty powerful blue role but I thought I could wait for a few more votes before claiming and then when I came back I was dead.
Well gg and sorry town.
prplhz, why U no claim sooner?
Okay, there´s still hours before the lynch goes down. Can you give us your reads? Did your power give any results?
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On November 22 2011 07:26 prplhz wrote:
Yea, don't ask me questions about my claim, I could be scum!
But I wanna!
Did you use your power yet, and did it give anything interesting?
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On November 22 2011 07:33 MrZentor wrote:Okay, I saw Prplhz was being attacked, so I filtered his posts. At first, I thought he seemed scummy, but after I saw his reasoning and how he defended sinani, I decided he was clean. But then I saw that he defended sinani moments after the final vote was counted. He wanted to make it look like he was defending the innocent guy without actually doing it. This seems pretty suspicious. ##Vote rplhzP.S. I hope that vote worked.
prplhz is allready lynched, better luck next time.
How much left do you have to read?
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On November 22 2011 07:35 MrZentor wrote:
##Vote: Prphlz
Dumb space..
Ehhh, this time you misspelled his name. He´s still lynched though
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