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On November 22 2011 04:37 Forumite wrote:
There are several players that have been posting very little this last day. I don´t think lynching lurkers will get the desired effect with so little time left in the day, so I suggest we focus on the current vote leaders.
Lemonwalrus and Chaoser, why should they be lynched? Is there a strong case on eitehr of them or general scumread and disruptive behavior?
In short, Palmar claiming a hit and the following quotes of myself are why my vote is on MrZentor (Anyone on Chaoser, vote the right guy)
On November 18 2011 01:39 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2011 00:42 chaoser wrote:
So you're saying that I, as mafia, decided the best way to play this game was to scream as loudly as possible to generate discussion in the beginning of the game to gain attention from everyone so that I could cause some sort of panic (which didn't happen, who here in thread actually thinks the thread is in a panic or mess? Everybody stop, right there. Read Chaosers filter. Does it look like he's trying to 'scream loudly'? If you ask me, you tried to ninja votes and got caught, then spent most of the game defending himself.
The latter is him lying about his actions up to that point in the game.
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On November 22 2011 05:55 Lemonwalrus wrote:
I would have liked to see the nisani lynch go through, but now that the prplhz one happened (I don't think he will flip scum...but hopefully I'm wrong) I'm reticent to lynch another person. I don't want it to be 5-0 townies vs scum killed, which would make it probably 6-0 or 7-0 at the end of the night.
You don't want it to be 5-0? So your claiming to know that Prplhz and Nisani201 are town, and yet you want to lynch Nisani?
Scumslip
##Vote: Lemonwalrus
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EBWOP
On November 22 2011 05:57 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
You don't want it to be 5-0? So your claiming to know that Prplhz and Nisani201 are town, and yet you would have liked to lynch Nisani?
Scumslip
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And I just realised how badly I misinterpreted that post
##Unvote: Lemonwalrus
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On November 22 2011 07:46 prplhz wrote:I am a town corpse jack, I can take the powers of dead people. I can repeat this on as many corpses as I like. I took Kenpachi's role last night. I asked Zona about some stuff so I might as well give you his answers here so you don't all have to PM him about it. Is Kenpachi's role informed if he saves somebody? No. Will Kenpachi's watcher ability see scum who are carrying out night hits? He couldn't answer this question. I've answered all questions since Forumite started going for me. I think it's weird that he's all "Oh you're blue why didn't you say so =(!!!" now. My role couldn't really confirm itself anyway without me revealing it's powers. I don't know what the mafia team is but I think that something along the lines of risk.nuke, chaoser/MrZentor, DCLXVI, HiroRuby/RebirthOfLegend and then one more, but I don't really have a good read on anybody this game. I already cooked up an apparently shitty case on risk.nuke, I'm not gonna bother you with more useless text walls like that, this thread is long enough as it is 
Give us anything you have. Holding back is only bad if you are scum. Less potential scum-slips that reveal your buddies type thing.
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He's legit.
On November 22 2011 08:02 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 07:56 prplhz wrote:
Alright since it's you asking Cyber_Cheese <3
I watched Tyrran last night and Cyber_Cheese and DCLXVI visited him. This suggests that one of Cyber_Cheese and DCLXVI are likely a scum roleblocker/rolecop, or similar. I don´t see any reason for scum to visit the same person twice. For what it´s worth, they are most likely not both scum. prplhz, didn´t it take a nightaction to get Kenpachi´s powers, or can you both steal powers and use them during the same night?
Explain the bolded section. Why does one of us have to be mafia?
Not only that, but you were willing to openly accept that information from somebody you believe to be scum, just because he's about to die?
##Vote: Forumite
@Prplhz
I know that you are town now, so I'll let you make the decision. We are three blues down already, and three possibly four blues are targets for the mafia tonight. (the masons, me, DCLXVI)
On November 04 2011 11:44 Zona wrote:
Furthermore, there may be dangers in store for town players who claim their role.
With all this in mind, should I rolecall?
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EBWOP
On November 22 2011 08:17 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
... Not only that, but you were willing to openly accept that information from somebody you believe to be scum, before he is confirmed town, just because he's about to die?
##Vote ...
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On November 22 2011 08:35 Tyrran wrote:
With 1 ( possibly 2) mafia kill during nigth 2, we will have to be EXTREMELY careful during the vote of day 3 ( coagulation, Sabin010, xsksc and even Lanaia : I'm looking directly at you rigth now). I think the correct move would be to have a group of confirmed town to lead the votes. That would be a good way to make sure that mafia doesnt decide the lynch.
Confirmed town doesn't mean correct opinion. Yes you know the confirmed townies are town, but don't fall to the temptation to start playing a game of follow the blues. Confirmed townies don't always get it right, especially if people kick their action down a notch.
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I want a scummy looking person to flip, one who was generating discussion with a for and against and leaves us with something to go with, instead of just things blues choose to tell us.
Chaoser is now confirmed to have lied, among the other reasons I had to vote for him. I'd like to see his alignment.
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I was holding this back because I wanted to see Nisani and Prplhz flip seperately, but that was under the assumption at least one other lynch would happen too (Chaoser preferably). Also Prplhz is more or less confirmed at the moment, so
##Vote: Nisani201
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As I've already stated, I'd rather see a second person lynched so we all have something to go on that isn't follow the blue. I've been tending towards Palmar's side of the Palmar/Chaoser buisness after he claimed a hit, but they both look very scummy, and because it's highly controversial it gives us a good point to work from.
##Vote: Palmar
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Tyrran wasn't roleblocked or attacked, he was relatively new, showing some of the better logic in the game. Unless someone else claims a medic role, I'm willing to believe that two exsist, and the second is DCLXVI.
Worst case scenario: The person is town. If we lynch DCLXVI, we lose what is probably the last medic, if we lynch Palmar, we gain a ton of information.
Best case scenario: The person is scum. Palmar's lynch has much more information about where people stand in the thread, making it easier to find the scum buddies.
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On November 22 2011 11:00 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Can someone explain why the hell we have two medic claims?
Prplhz is claiming to be some sort of necrophiliac that visited Kenpachi, DCLXVI is claiming some sort of medic.
The end result is dual medic.
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I'm not going to follow you mindlessly, but I'll ##Fistpound anyway.
Brospect
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If it's a trap, it's an awesome one, and should be walked into head first.
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A bit busy at the moment.
Obligatory votes to carry over from yesterday.
##Vote: MrZentor
##Vote: Nisani201
##Vote: Coagulation
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On November 23 2011 18:37 Tyrran wrote:Cyber_cheeze : He his a powerful version of a Watcher. Look at this post : Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 10:55 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Tyrran wasn't roleblocked or attacked, he was relatively new, showing some of the better logic in the game. Unless someone else claims a medic role, I'm willing to believe that two exsist, and the second is DCLXVI. He seems to know what happened to me during day nigth, so i'd say he is a mixup between a watcher and a rolecop. (maybe with a drawback of some kind as this role seems a bit too powerful).
I wish it was something that interesting.
I'll bite the bullet and rolecall now: It's essentially Tracker, but I have a one-time use ability that shows me the actions that player performed that night as well.
Tyrran and Sabin have done nothing, nights 1 and 2 respectively.
On November 24 2011 02:00 Lanaia wrote:
I'm not liking how little certain people are talking (like Coag).
I don't disagree with how Tyrran posted his blue reads. But I can say he is not correct on what my role is.
Cyber_Cheese may have only known about what happened to Tyrran at night based on someone else's claim (prplhz) so he may be very well incorrect there. I'm not sure where he got the idea of you not being roleblocked (maybe just assumed you'd claim that) and assumed you weren't attacked as you may have said something about that, having been protected.
Right now, I have no idea who I should vote, though there are several people who I will not vote due to feeling they are town. All I really know is that we do need to lynch scum today. And it kind of bothers me RoL is on me.
I will be back after class. <3
I know Tyrran wasn't roleblocked or attacked by deduction.
If he was role blocked, he's either a townie who would have said so, or scum, except a town rb'er already flipped so we can rule scum out.
If he was attacked, as town he would have said so, and as scum the town vigilante would have said so.
And now for a controversial move:
##Unvote: Nisani201
His post quality and use of logic has stepped up since here:
On November 21 2011 19:07 Cyber_Cheese wrote:I was on the fence about this one. I still don't feel sure about voting him, and I feel like there are better options for today. ##Unvote: PrplhzI feel like Nisani is much in the same boat as him, with the difference that Prplhz seems to be able to express some form of transparency for things he does. Nisani has shown he is capable of making good posts + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366¤tpage=75#1495 And yet most of his posts are one liners, and votes with minimal explaination, he seems to be deliberately holding information back from the town ##Vote: Nisani
And he's right, there isn't much of a case against him, aside from:
On November 23 2011 18:53 Palmar wrote:Assuming you are correct about DCLXVI Tyrran, this is Nisani's vote record: (I think putting it in quotes stops ZBot from picking up on it) Show nested quote +##Vote: Forumite
##Vote: Kenpachi
##Vote: Palmar
##Vote: Drazerk
##Vote: wherebugsgo
##Vote: prplhz
##Vote: DCLXVI
##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD
RoL, WBG and Forumite all look pretty good to me btw.
It looks a little different with people who have actually flipped huh?
Especially when we take the Drazerk vote into context, as pressure to make him reveal, and if he was claiming lynch-proof, to prove it.
This lynch looks like it's mostly based on WBG pushing him baselessly.
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On November 24 2011 05:19 Palmar wrote:
I find your choice of tracking tyrran very interesting. Please explain to me how you decided to track him?
He looked relatively townie and hadn't had anyone accuse him, while using solid logic. He was going to have a lot of town sway leading into day 2, and I wanted to have some idea of whether it was misdirection or not.
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On November 24 2011 05:36 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 05:25 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On November 24 2011 05:19 Palmar wrote:
I find your choice of tracking tyrran very interesting. Please explain to me how you decided to track him? He looked relatively townie and hadn't had anyone accuse him, while using solid logic. He was going to have a lot of town sway leading into day 2, and I wanted to have some idea of whether it was misdirection or not. And you convinced yourself that was good logic?
That was the logic I used at the time.
On November 24 2011 05:42 GreYMisT wrote:
What exactly pressured you to claim right then? to save nisani?
People wanted to know from yesterday, and it was agreed that I should reveal early day 3.
Nisani is unrelated.
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Alright we need to lay ground rules with the list checks:
1) Get some idea of how many mafia you expect to find, and include that alongside the list if you want to kill the whole list.
There is no point singling out four people if you only expect one to be scum, because that's the same average as the rest of the game. That could have been any arbitrary group of four people.
On November 24 2011 00:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 18:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
yo RoL did you vote nisani/bum?
I'm all for lynching the people who bandwagoned like mad but we have to discriminate between who is more likely to be scum and who is less likely to be.
Sure, it'd be a great way to get rid of the hard decision by just killing them all now, but I think we should lynch the ones who are scummiest first and then with those flips we can start pushing into the rest of the group tomorrow.
In fact, most of the people who were on all 3 lynches are probably idiot townies. They wouldn't want that much attention on themselves. I think we need to more carefully consider those who were only on two lynches.
Basically, I say we start with nisani/bum/chaoser. I know chaoser wanted to vote prpl, so he would've actually been on two lynch bandwagons. Scum like to split their votes between two candidates when both are town. I know this because I did it myself as scum. My team would split, one half pushing one townie for lynch and the other pushing the other. No matter who won, a townie would die.
In this game, if both win, two townies die.
So let's look at the lynch and see who, if anyone, had at least 3 votes and was on either kenpachi or sinani day 1 but not the other on the same day, and then was also on prpl day 2:
Day 1:
Kenpachi(14): bumatlarge, DCLXVI, prplhz, Drazerk, Zephirdd, Palmar, GreYMisT, risk.nuke, Tyrran, Lemonwalrus Hiroruby, sinani206, Nisani201, Cyber_Cheese
sinani206(14): chaoser (would have been on prpl day 2), GreYMisT, Lanaia, DCLXVI, Drazerk, Cyber_Cheese, risk.nuke, LSB, Tyrran, Forumite, Lemonwalrus, Zephirdd, HarbingerOfDoom, hyshes
Day 2:
prplhz (12): Forumite, Drazerk, GreYMisT, Nisani201, hyshes, bumatlarge, risk.nuke, Kibibit, Sabin010, Lanaia, xsksc, Coagulation (would have been chaoser here as vote 13)
From this vote pattern alone some of the 3 voters (such as Cyber_Cheese and GreYMisT) are less likely to be scum (though we can't rule it out)
This is on the assumption that scum would split their vote to avoid as much suspicion as possible.
This means we should focus on:
bumatlarge, nisani, chaoser/mrzentor, forumite, lanaia.
All names I think are likely to bleed red.
If I missed something, let me know. At the end of the day you can't ignore what mafia aganda is. Their goal is to kill as many of us as possible and while avoiding a suspect list is good if it means not killing people its a choice they probably won't make. To be honest I don't like the weird way you are trying to use this list. Why would you vote Chaoser/Bum when they aren't high in the +3 area. Seems strange. I can almost guarantee you among those 5 I mentioned there are a couple of scum. I would happily kill them all because its a good trade. Anyone else want to contribute? Zephirdd, Nisani, DCLXVI, Greymist, Cyber_cheese, Lanaia, Forumite These 7, kill them all. I welcome analysis on them if anyone wants to do it.
That is the list of all people who voted 3+ times on large wagons of people later confirmed to be town.
How many scum do you expect to find? Because if you mean two when you say a couple as it implies, you didn't really narrow it down much at all.
2) Don't manipulate the evidence to the people you suspect. If you are going to use lists as a basis to vote on people, you can't change them to suit the people you want to vote for.
On November 23 2011 18:26 wherebugsgo wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Post content] +yo RoL did you vote nisani/bum?
I'm all for lynching the people who bandwagoned like mad but we have to discriminate between who is more likely to be scum and who is less likely to be.
Sure, it'd be a great way to get rid of the hard decision by just killing them all now, but I think we should lynch the ones who are scummiest first and then with those flips we can start pushing into the rest of the group tomorrow.
In fact, most of the people who were on all 3 lynches are probably idiot townies. They wouldn't want that much attention on themselves. I think we need to more carefully consider those who were only on two lynches.
Basically, I say we start with nisani/bum/chaoser. I know chaoser wanted to vote prpl, so he would've actually been on two lynch bandwagons. Scum like to split their votes between two candidates when both are town. I know this because I did it myself as scum. My team would split, one half pushing one townie for lynch and the other pushing the other. No matter who won, a townie would die.
In this game, if both win, two townies die. So let's look at the lynch and see who, if anyone, had at least 3 votes and was on either kenpachi or sinani day 1 but not the other on the same day, and then was also on prpl day 2: + Show Spoiler [Rest of post] +Day 1:
Kenpachi(14): bumatlarge, DCLXVI, prplhz, Drazerk, Zephirdd, Palmar, GreYMisT, risk.nuke, Tyrran, Lemonwalrus Hiroruby, sinani206, Nisani201, Cyber_Cheese
sinani206(14): chaoser (would have been on prpl day 2), GreYMisT, Lanaia, DCLXVI, Drazerk, Cyber_Cheese, risk.nuke, LSB, Tyrran, Forumite, Lemonwalrus, Zephirdd, HarbingerOfDoom, hyshes
Day 2:
prplhz (12): Forumite, Drazerk, GreYMisT, Nisani201, hyshes, bumatlarge, risk.nuke, Kibibit, Sabin010, Lanaia, xsksc, Coagulation (would have been chaoser here as vote 13)
From this vote pattern alone some of the 3 voters (such as Cyber_Cheese and GreYMisT) are less likely to be scum (though we can't rule it out)
This is on the assumption that scum would split their vote to avoid as much suspicion as possible.
This means we should focus on:
bumatlarge, nisani, chaoser/mrzentor, forumite, lanaia.
All names I think are likely to bleed red.
If I missed something, let me know.
Those requirements seem very arbitrary. Can you explain why you chose them?
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