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On November 19 2011 22:02 prplhz wrote: What do people think about Tyrran? I notice that the guy actually voted for both lurkers yesterday even though he said he'd only advocate the lynch of one lurker, but then again he apparently thought sinani206 was scum in spite of people's warnings. Cyber_Cheese, I usually have a good read on you, I thought you were scum in both LotR and PYP:I, but in this game it's been harder. What do you think about Tyrran? I looked into his filter last night, and I feel quite inclined not to lynch him at this point in the game, nor the foreseeable future. I would need a much bigger reason to pursue him as a lynch candidate for today than 'he was on both lynches'. On November 20 2011 05:06 prplhz wrote: I never said that I defended sinani206, I honestly don't care that you killed him 'cause he would have been useless anyway, I just had a slight townie feeling about him because I thought he was trying harder than he was in PYP:I where he was scum. And there is no reason to lynch a townie, though with sinani206 there's not much reason to not lynch him either. If you would rather listen to "stop voting i think he's town" than "STOP VOTING" then what the hell. I see your logic, but I don't think that's what I did. I wrote my opinion, if you don't care about it because it's in caps then that's your fault. My statements were not hard to read at all and I made my opinion pretty clear. You had a town read on Sinani, yet your more focused on making that publicly known than actually saving Sinani? On November 20 2011 05:39 prplhz wrote: As for why I even decided to go with caps in the first place, I thought townies would still read it while scum would just conveniently ignore it or maybe even use it against me. Townies read shit, scum just jump on anything that looks somewhat odd. So your argument boils down to 'Scum don't read the thread. Townies always read the thread. They should have listened because I posted without any reasoning.' correct? | ||
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On November 17 2011 08:16 ZBot wrote: Votes can now have any number of spaces between "Vote:" and the player's name (even zero) and be considered valid | ||
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On November 19 2011 20:03 Palmar wrote: For the record, directing blues and posting town reads is not bad town play. If you only post scum reads, you're by extension saying everyone else must be town, all I do by adding my town reads is explaining the thought process behind it for extra transparency. And directing blues seems to be working out okay, it seems we have at least one competent medic. ♥ I'm not sure what this makes you cheese, I mean, you do ridiculous shit when you're scum, but I remember your town play from cosmic horror mafia, which makes me think that using terrible logic may not be a scumtell for you. That game was an embarrassment. I don't agree with the must be town by extension. I don't know about you, but I form a list of people that are more likely to be scum than others, and vote on the ones that make it near the top. Mafia are inclined to look to attack into the more townie looking players. If we go around posting those people, especially at night, it's more likely that the mafia will want to kill them. If we don't mention these people, mafia has to wade through 80% of the players in the game and attempt to choose people they think town might trust, and that's harder to do if I learnt anything in LotR/PYP:I. If anything, I could see more use in a fake list of town reads during the night to attempt to direct mafia KP away from the townies you want to keep if possible. If lying about your reads seems like a better idea than giving them and praying the medic listens and gets lucky, it doesn't seem like a very townie thing to do. On November 20 2011 03:13 chaoser wrote: In ER, posting from phone, 9th hour here, hopefully can be home for dinner ##unvote: Drazerk I don't believe Palmar's shot claim I will be only voting for palmar today if you are undecided, vote for both me and palmar I disagree with killing both of you. This is a good opportunity for scum to make sure that if they get unlucky and lose in this Palmar vs you, that you at least take one of the better townies with you. If one of you flips town, I would be heavily inclined to lynch/vigi the other instead. If that one flips scum instead, we effectively save a townie we didn't need to lose. I can reasonably see one of the these two scenarios playing out. Scenario: Palmar is scum, holds a kp and claims a hit. Benefits: Town cred, advantage in todays Palmar vs Chaoser battle. Gains an extra night to perform any action(s). Cons: Once Chaoser is lynched, he flips town. Palmar instantly loses town cred, and suddenly becomes a good vigilante target or lynch possibility leading into day 3. Scenario: Chaoser is scum, Palmar survives hit. Benefits: Palmar would have died. Chaoser could have claimed WIFOM and potentially escape a lynch. Cons: Chaoser is subject to extreme scrutiny. The former seems much more contrived, I'm inclined to believe in simplicity here. ##Vote: Chaoser | ||
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On November 21 2011 02:16 DCLXVI wrote: I don't want to be modkilled. How about avoiding a modkill with a useful post. You voted Kibibit yesterday + Show Spoiler [Your analysis] + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366¤tpage=18#343 Do you think anything has changed? If yes, details. Will you be voting Kibibit again? If both are no, why? During writing this, I checked Kibibit's filter and he's at MLG so I'm willing to cut him some slack. Same questions, new subject, Sabin010 + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366¤tpage=19#364 | ||
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On November 21 2011 02:43 prplhz wrote: DCLXVI Why don't you put something into this thread instead of just saying literally nothing. What do you think about Tyrren? That's twice you've asked about Tyrren, how do you feel about him? | ||
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I was sitting on this a while, it's very hard to tell his alignment. this is my reasoning I feel it's more about his failure to admit to his 'defence' being terrible, yet continuing to bring it up that makes him scummy here. His logic is bad and he knows it, and yet he keeps using it, because he was on the right side of the lynch. On November 17 2011 19:44 Coagulation wrote: Cause people love lists chaoser wherebugsgo Drazerk bumatlarge theres scum in there somewhere. This list, what was it supposed to be of? One in those four people is scum? Why them? How exactly is that a better chance than say any other list of four townies? On November 20 2011 04:21 Coagulation wrote: edit formatting ##vote: lemonwalrus ##vote: BumatLarge should be self explanatory. It isn't self-explanatory. Spell it out for me. Other than that, his filter is here, he casts doubt on townies but nothing solid enough to actually link him to starting a bandwagon on any of them. + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366&user=22673 ##Vote: Coagulation | ||
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##Unvote: Prplhz I feel like Nisani is much in the same boat as him, with the difference that Prplhz seems to be able to express some form of transparency for things he does. Nisani has shown he is capable of making good posts + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=282366¤tpage=75#1495 And yet most of his posts are one liners, and votes with minimal explaination, he seems to be deliberately holding information back from the town ##Vote: Nisani | ||
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On November 21 2011 19:19 Forumite wrote: Cyber_Cheese, saying that there are better options for a lynch is not a reason to unvote prplhz. What is the real reason prplhz doesn´t deserve your vote? Is it something he said? Why doesn´t the original case around the sinani lynch have any weight now? I hope it´s a good reason, because with 10 votes on prplhz, now 9, you are taking an active stand to defend him from the lynch, and I want to know why you would do that. He's hard to read, he makes some terrible moves as both town and scum. I want to lynch Nisani or Prplhz today, but not both, and I feel like Nisani is the scummier candidate. | ||
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On November 21 2011 19:40 Forumite wrote: You unvote despite there being enough reason to lynch of prplhz, because you´d rather lynch Nisani instead? How many lynches do you want today? | ||
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On November 21 2011 22:09 risk.nuke wrote: + Show Spoiler [Posted] + On November 21 2011 18:33 prplhz wrote: Ofcourse you do, now that I'm trying to get you lynched...risk.nuke Since Tyrran's post somehow he became confirmed townie. I don't think he is confirmed townie, I think he is scum. I never said "kill him", You are putting words in my mouth to make me look worse. I think there was a risk of people trusting Palmar more than they should, there are a lot of new faces in this game and at the point I wasn't very sure of Palmar's alignment and I thought he was taking his "don't worry town, I'm immortal and I'm gonna find all scum for you, just wait" to an extreme. So I warned people. In this post he is very subtly defending chaoser by telling wherebugsgo not to focus on him. wherebugsgo's tunneling style can be very effective and even chaoser could easily fall to it. I have a slight scum read on chaoser so this makes me think that risk.nuke is more scum. Here risk.nuke votes for Kenpachi while following up with logic that makes his lynch seem like the better option of the two, lynching Kenpachi and lynching lanaia. The scenario he fails to mention is the best scenario, we don't lynch Kenpachi, day2 we will have more information on him and Kenpachi hasn't been scummy at all. He never actually says that Kenpachi is scummy, he just lynches Kenpachi because they are connected and according to his own logic, we hardly even get anything out of Kenpachi's death! Here he votes for bumatlarge because he made half a case on me. He said in his post that he didn't have time to make a full case on me, then he disappears for a while, I guess because he had to tend to some other business outside mafia. Again, this is a very brittle foundation for a vote. Also, if risk.nuke thinks that I'm scum, shouldn't he think that bumatlarge should at least be more townie for making a case on me? Or does he just care about a seemingly easy target? Again, he doesn't say that he actually thinks that bumatlarge is scum, it seems like his votes are mostly because he wants to vote for people. Bolded parts, why does he feel the need to say that he is town too? Why does he say that if you get lynched, even as townie, that is always your own fault? It looks like he is trying to absolve himself of all flak that could come from him voting for townies, which is all he's done this game so far. In the second paragraph he attacks people for being dumb and half arsed, but isn't he half arsed himself? His votes so far have been half arsed and he never pushed for anything so far. Also he attacks Cyber_Cheese that I'm getting a slight townread from. also Hands up everyone who thinks I'm not pushing for anyone... In this post he defends chaoser by saying the he's starting to believe he might be town, then why did he not want wherebusgo to interrogate him yesterday? He goes on to say that RebirthOfLegend is almost confirmed town just because HiroRuby was replaced. A replacement says absolutely nothing about your alignment, he didn't just lose interest he actually went cold turkey with mafia and dropped the game. He also attacks wherebugsgo and Palmar, neither of whom are giving up on their attacks on chaoser, thus sowing mistrust in their judgment. I was unsure yesterday but today I'm starting to think that chaoser might be scum, he has been attacked for not doing anything sensible ever since day1 and how does he defend himself? He martyrs and he attacks Palmar and wherebugsgo right back. This is no way to defend yourself. Also risk.nuke is attacking xsksc whose filter I've been through without finding anything incriminating. As for Zepphird, i dno lole~. Good lynch for today. ##Vote risk.nuke Also, even though I'm getting less of a scum vibe from him than I'm getting from risk.nuke: ##Vote chaoser I'd prefer if we only lynched one today and I'd prefer if that person was risk.nuke. In conclusion this post is just a huge OMGuS-post. His arguments doesn't hold against a closer check which tells us he is trying to frame me. lynch him!! Why is your reply mostly in green? Did you not feel townie enough? | ||
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On November 22 2011 02:15 Nisani201 wrote: What the fuck? Did you read my analysis on Palmar? You're just eating the bullshit that WBG and Palmar put out that you don't even read my posts because you just think I'm useless. I'm not going to pressure WBG today because I'm considering the possibility that he's been misguided by Palmar, much like how jcarl and I misguided him in XLV. However he is not off the hook. Everyone else should be focusing on killing him. He is evil scum and deserves to die. ##Unvote: wherebugsgo Did you just intentionally ignore the logic in my post there or what? That post, which I linked and specifically even pointed out, is your only relatively good one all game. You and Chaoser are the Scum here. | ||
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On November 22 2011 03:27 Lanaia wrote: Okay... So I've read what's happened since page 77/78 (whenever I last posted). prplhz's reactions in the last few pages have really bothered me. I'm going to vote him. His case on risk is not the greatest. ##vote: prplhz Unless I'm mistaken, thats makes 12. Prplhz is effectively dead come night, so there is no point discussing him. Anyone around that hasn't taken a stance on Chaoser/Palmar, I want to hear your opinion. Lets get discussion going again before it becomes last minute like Sinani. | ||
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Just in case. | ||
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On November 22 2011 03:55 Forumite wrote: The ones shown on the votelist are 8, with Sabin010, Lanaia and xsksc it makes 11 votes. I don´t think prplhz is lynched yet. Your right, I accidentally counted xsksc's dud vote and the good one as two. | ||
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And by the way: ##Unvote: Nisani201 I wanted one of him or Prplhz today, not both. | ||
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