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On November 18 2011 11:33 prplhz wrote:hahahaha that lynch was totally your fault l2p you can't expect everybody to think that your lurking oneliner style is the greatest thing ever in mafia so stop being an asshole about it
prplhz, sorry buddy but right now you look extremely bad. Your attempt to save sinani was posted moments after he got 14 votes on him, you were active and followed the discussion but didn´t contribute. You didn´t vote nor did you try to dissuade people despite stating that you were against the lynch. You just sat and watched as Town killed Town, without getting involved.
prplhz is Scum
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On November 18 2011 11:50 prplhz wrote:lol forumite 
It seems you need to work on your scumplay 
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WBG, I´d take a look at players who were on only one of the lynches, players who posted that both were scummy, but only voted on one of them, players who had allready gotten one Townie killed and didn´t want to attract too much attention by voting on two. Players who hang back and blame others for the mislynches. Those who voted for both victims look bad, but I think they look like bad Townies. That´s my opinion at least, that Scum are the ones avoiding the second lynch. If they dared to lynch sinani, then it wouldn´t have taken so long to get those final votes.
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On November 18 2011 12:39 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2011 12:00 Forumite wrote:
WBG, I´d take a look at players who were on only one of the lynches, players who posted that both were scummy, but only voted on one of them, players who had allready gotten one Townie killed and didn´t want to attract too much attention by voting on two. Players who hang back and blame others for the mislynches. Those who voted for both victims look bad, but I think they look like bad Townies. That´s my opinion at least, that Scum are the ones avoiding the second lynch. If they dared to lynch sinani, then it wouldn´t have taken so long to get those final votes. This was exactly what I was thinking. Mostly the singular early and late votes. One of them is you though lolol Yeah, I know I´ve done a few things that make me look bad in this game. I guess that means I´m improving my game a bit, if I can identify my own mistakes. I knew sinani would most likely flip Town, but I still thought it was worth it then and now. We now have lots of info and reads, much more than after the Kenpachi lynch, and we won´t have to deal with sinani at the endgame. Scum wouldn´t have shot him anyway. I´m just disappointed that they both flipped Blue, but that´s anger at them more than any fault of Town. They could have been more carefull about wasting Towns few power roles.
Do you mind waiting until tomorrow to discuss where scum hide? prplhz I´m almost certain on, because of the odd way he avoided taking sides in a popular lynch that he obviously had a lot of opinions on, but for now I´d keep my scumreads under a lid.
On November 18 2011 17:32 LSB wrote:
Any bets on whether or not I survive the night? You are lmost certainly surviving the night. Combining low activity, low town-cred and a single decent case doesn´t get you nightkilled, it gets you lynched. At least now you are trying to contribute and that is great, so please try and not go back to lurking.
Who are still lurking? Scum usually hide a few of their members among the forgotten players.
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On November 18 2011 16:03 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
I still don't like Drazerk, and he seems dead-set on convincing us he will be useless whether he is town or scum. Not sure how much effort should be spent on him, but I'd like him to end up dead sooner rather than later.
I also don't like the looks of LSB too much, but he is currently exceeding 24 hours without posting, so I don't see the point of pursuing something there unless he comes back before getting mod-killed.
LSB is not going to be replaced due to inactivity. Expecting your read on him, preferably after the daypost.
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On November 18 2011 22:28 risk.nuke wrote:
Then we have the accusers. I know it's easy when you feel like you have a gut feeling on someone, you want them lynched and suddenly you've just copied something just so you type a reason to vote. Enough of that lazy shit, sit down and really think why you feel like you feel. That way when asked about it later you can answer truthfully. or maybe you realised you don't actually want the person dead after all. The next person who quotes someone and votes I am going to slap. Because if townies are throwing around votes without explaining an acceptable thoughtprocess mafia can do the same and nobody can tell the difference.
In short. Defend yourself by explaining your truthfull thoughtprocess.
Accuse someone by explaining your truthfull thoughtprocess. Now read this out loud 3 times.
Doctors, please protect this man. I want him alive tomorrow.
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On November 19 2011 00:24 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 00:23 xsksc wrote:
Well Palmar, here's my thoughts.
I think the Kenpachi/Sinani lynches were silly. The only real scum read I have right now is on Drazerk. I'm not sure about Chaoser, I don't know his meta so it's harder for me to form an opinion on his town play. There are a couple of others I'm undecided on.
People I think are town :
wherebugsgo
palmar
risk.nuke
harbingerofdoom
lanaia
forumite
People I think are scum/I'm suspicious of :
prphlz
chaoser
drazerk
lemonwalrus
That's my current opinions, I have nothing solid to go on with chaoser/prphlz/lemon though.
Also, I'm really surprised I made it onto your vig list. I actually made a case on someone and stuck with it, I didn't join those ridiculous bandwagons that got two of our blues killed day 1.
well, to be fair, maybe it's just best if vigis hold their shots. I can relate to your list though I don't agree with all the reads (pending re-reading I'd say harbringer could be scum, and prplhz could be town).
I´m ticked off by this. Of course prplhz COULD be Town, but I don´t think it´s very likely after some of his actions around the sinani lynch and earlier. Is there something specific in his play that makes you want to defend him, have you found a solid breadcrumb among his posts, do you have a strong hunch about him, or is it something else?
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On November 19 2011 00:57 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 00:46 Forumite wrote:On November 19 2011 00:24 Palmar wrote:On November 19 2011 00:23 xsksc wrote:
Well Palmar, here's my thoughts.
I think the Kenpachi/Sinani lynches were silly. The only real scum read I have right now is on Drazerk. I'm not sure about Chaoser, I don't know his meta so it's harder for me to form an opinion on his town play. There are a couple of others I'm undecided on.
People I think are town :
wherebugsgo
palmar
risk.nuke
harbingerofdoom
lanaia
forumite
People I think are scum/I'm suspicious of :
prphlz
chaoser
drazerk
lemonwalrus
That's my current opinions, I have nothing solid to go on with chaoser/prphlz/lemon though.
Also, I'm really surprised I made it onto your vig list. I actually made a case on someone and stuck with it, I didn't join those ridiculous bandwagons that got two of our blues killed day 1.
well, to be fair, maybe it's just best if vigis hold their shots. I can relate to your list though I don't agree with all the reads (pending re-reading I'd say harbringer could be scum, and prplhz could be town). I´m ticked off by this. Of course prplhz COULD be Town, but I don´t think it´s very likely after some of his actions around the sinani lynch and earlier. Is there something specific in his play that makes you want to defend him, have you found a solid breadcrumb among his posts, do you have a strong hunch about him, or is it something else? pending re-reading, as I already said. Notice the list-formatted posts I'm doing, I have a couple of 180's on reads in them, those are the result of me re-reading the thread. I just had a town gut on him early, remember that he was one of the people I did my initial alignment analysis on.
I can understand that, I wrote him off as Town early too, but that changed. I am looking forward to hearing your opinion once you recheck him.
I don´t know if I like people putting me on the townlist or not. Feels like a I get a gold medal, while simultaneously a huge target is painted on my forehead.
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On November 19 2011 12:31 Coagulation wrote:
Well looks like we lost the one voice of reason in a giant screaming derp fest.
wasnt LSB taking bets that he would be killed night 1?
Should probably go back and see who responded to that and how.
If you are going to accuse me of something, why don´t you just go out and say it? You know that I, and perhaps others, answered LSB's post, me with how I thought it was unlikely he would get shot. Does that make me scum now? Because it really sounds like you WANT to accuse me of being scum without having to say it out loud, and I can´t find a reason for you to want to do that unless you are either terribly lazy and didn´t bother to check the relevant posts, or you are doing some sneaky anti-Town play. We want Transparency, say what you want to say, don´t just drop hints. Hinting vaguely is just one way to avoid guilt, drop hints to make Town focus on a player, then divorce yourself from the bandwagon by explaining that your hints meant something else. I don´t have to spell out that this is a tactic for Scum, not Town.
I haven´t yet found a reason to reevaluate my new stance on prplhz. His play during the sinani hammering stand out as a player who wanted sinani dead while simultaenously making it look like his hands were clean, thereby avoiding the guilt of lynching a Town player. If he was against the lynch then he should have made an attempt to call it off, if he wanted to lynch sinani then he should have voted, not wanting to do either tells me he wanted sinani dead without having to do it himself, and only a Scum would act like that.
##Vote: prplhz
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I have a question for the following people;
DCLXVI
Sabin010
Lemonwalrus
Kibibit
RebirthOfLeGenD
hyshes
What do you think about prplhz?
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Didn´t appear to go through. Revoting.
##Vote: prplhz
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On November 19 2011 22:02 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2011 20:42 Forumite wrote:
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I haven´t yet found a reason to reevaluate my new stance on prplhz. His play during the sinani hammering stand out as a player who wanted sinani dead while simultaenously making it look like his hands were clean, thereby avoiding the guilt of lynching a Town player. If he was against the lynch then he should have made an attempt to call it off, if he wanted to lynch sinani then he should have voted, not wanting to do either tells me he wanted sinani dead without having to do it himself, and only a Scum would act like that.
##Vote: prplhz Show nested quote +On November 18 2011 10:53 prplhz wrote:
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MORE PEOPLE ON DRAZERK, HIRORUBY, AND CYBER_CHEESE
LESS PEOPLE ON SINANI206
THANK YOU I highlighted the important part in bold and removed part of my post since you were apparently too lazy to read the whole thing in the first place. I thought I made my opinion very accessible but apparently not accessible enough. This was before he got hammered. Do you really think I stand out as a player who wanted sinani206 dead? Did I not make an attempt to call it off? Do I even have the power to call anything off, and in spite of this, did I not do everything I could to prevent sinani206 from being lynched? sinani206 ALWAYS sucks, I just thought he sucked considerably less in this game. Yes, I actually thought sinani206 was playing very well ... that is, compared to how he usually plays. We'd already lynched one lurker (I wanted him to perform because I know he's great at mafia, he shot two scum in XLV, and then when I came back you morons had actually lynched him on no ground at all, sucks) and as I'd already stated in the thread, lynching lurkers is something scum likes a lot more than town. I think this is very weird because I really didn't think you were this dumb. Fine, you thought sinani was a bad lynch, but why didn´t you say so earlier? Your one line of "less people on sinani" is about all you say, you didn´t stand up and try to convince Town that sinani plays like this most of the time and that in your experience we should keep him alive because he doesn´t just look Town to you, but plays better in this game than many other earlier games. You dropped one line that wasn´t even really a defence of Sinani, it looked like you prefered another lynch, but nothing you said made sinani look any better
On November 18 2011 10:58 prplhz wrote:
I don't know if Zona isn't just gonna give a warning first. I don't think I've been here for the last 24 hours either but hopefully I'm not getting modkilled. I mean sometimes you don't have all the time in the world and sometimes you forget how long it's been since last time you posted, it's not like either of us have been lurking all game.
I actually think sinani206 has been surprisingly helpful to town this game compared to some of his other games. So please don't lynch him just because he's a lurker, day1 has already killed off one lurker who was most likely town. You did post one time in defence of sinani. I really like the post above, and it might have saved him if people read it. Then again, you posted your defence of sinani 2 minutes before the deadline, AFTER he had allready been hammered. You didn´t defend sinani until he was dead. If that was all you did to defend him, then how can I trust that you really wanted him alive?
You say you wanted sinani alive, but you didn´t go to any effort to keep him alive. Your actions didn´t match your words, which makes you a liar, and not only a liar, but a liar whose lies resulted in a Townie dead, when you could have prevented it. That´s why you are going to be lynched today.
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On November 19 2011 23:40 Tyrran wrote:Also Forumite pushed extremely heavily against Sinani206 during the last minutes of Day 1, despite his only case against him beeing : Show nested quote +On November 18 2011 08:09 Forumite wrote:On November 17 2011 09:59 sinani206 wrote:On November 17 2011 09:48 chaoser wrote:On November 17 2011 09:45 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On November 17 2011 09:42 chaoser wrote:On November 17 2011 09:41 DCLXVI wrote:On November 17 2011 09:32 chaoser wrote:On November 17 2011 09:28 DCLXVI wrote:really kenpachi? I don't know you but I didn't expect you to whine so much and give up. Even if the town is bad, you can at least try pointing out their errors instead of just bitching. @Zona can he be put on the banlist for this? I certainly don't want to play with him again: Play to win. Make your posts, and choose targets for your actions in order to help your team achieve its win condition. How can you say he didn't play to win? His case prompted a lot of discussion and activity. Get off your high horse; you're sure as hell not good enough to be bitching about Kenpachi "whining and giving up". since when is it a prerequisite to be good at this game to say that this means someone gave up? + Show Spoiler +On November 17 2011 06:41 Kenpachi wrote:
lol town sucks On November 17 2011 06:44 Kenpachi wrote:
alright, tell me. Where is this day going? its going to shit. you know why? you guys are lynching me.
Fact: When town lynches a town Kenpachi, they lose. you know why? because town sucks.
Killing off inactives with lynches is just so bad. lrn2play On November 17 2011 06:48 Kenpachi wrote:
im going to fucking shoot myself. Walrus and risk.nuke need more experience because this is ridiculous On November 17 2011 06:55 Kenpachi wrote:
i can do better than that. you guys are just so demoralizing On November 17 2011 07:06 Kenpachi wrote:
very well.
gg i surrender
you win mafia On November 17 2011 07:07 Kenpachi wrote:
"gg i surrender" On November 17 2011 08:51 Kenpachi wrote:
No i want to piss you all off On November 17 2011 08:57 Kenpachi wrote:
##Vote: Kenpachi
Im the Doctor that can only protect greens. oh and i also function as a watcher.
On November 17 2011 08:58 Kenpachi wrote:now that i proved that you guys are indeed retards, i have no regrets. implies i have a role On November 17 2011 09:06 Kenpachi wrote:
This is the first in a long time since i went defeatist. the first time, i was really bad. this time, you deserved the punishment. srs and it goes on.... Kenpachi is way better than you are. I don't think he's missed a single vigi shot at mafia and I'd sure as hell rather have him at end game than you. When he flips scum who was relying on his reputation, you'll be eating those words. Or you'll be eating your words when lanaia, me and kenpachi all flip town. WTF is the point of that post? I thought we already discussed the difference between a winning decision and a smart decision in Team Melee Mafia. I'd rather lynch hiroruby, a smart choice than kenpachi, a bad choice. Seriously go fuck yourself, I'm done playing TL mafia; after this game I'll be co-hosting/hosting only. umadbro? I don´t know what he´s doing, taunting to make Chaoser slip, or just being irritating, but I don´t like the style. For some reason I often connect acting like this to scum. ##Vote: sinani206 But then when prplhz called sinani206 bad for acting like that, he immediatly called him scum : Show nested quote +On November 18 2011 11:47 Forumite wrote:On November 18 2011 11:33 prplhz wrote:On November 18 2011 11:31 sinani206 wrote:
fuck you hyshes.
good night. hahahaha that lynch was totally your fault l2p you can't expect everybody to think that your lurking oneliner style is the greatest thing ever in mafia so stop being an asshole about it prplhz, sorry buddy but right now you look extremely bad. Your attempt to save sinani was posted moments after he got 14 votes on him, you were active and followed the discussion but didn´t contribute. You didn´t vote nor did you try to dissuade people despite stating that you were against the lynch. You just sat and watched as Town killed Town, without getting involved. prplhz is Scum From my point of view, I'd say Forumite stand against Sinani are more suspicious than prplhz.
You are talking about two different things. Yes, my original case on sinani wasn´t very good, I know that, and I kept on it primarily because I wanted a lynch for information and sinani was the only possible lynch, but that has nothing to do with what prplhz did. My case on prplhz is that he thought sinani was Town, was online, but despite this he didn´t defend sinani, or even make clear that he was against the lynch until it was allready too late. That together with taunting the player he says he wanted to save but didn´t, it all scream scum to me. If he really wanted to save sinani then he would have tried, then seen the final hammer as a failure, not a victory worth taunting sinani for.
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On November 19 2011 22:35 Drazerk wrote:
##Vote: prplhz
Why do you vote for prplhz? Do you trust my reasoning on him completely, or do you have your own reasons for thinking he is scum?
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On November 20 2011 00:49 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 00:22 Forumite wrote:On November 19 2011 22:35 Drazerk wrote:
##Vote: prplhz Why do you vote for prplhz? Do you trust my reasoning on him completely, or do you have your own reasons for thinking he is scum? He's basically me this game which isn't good for anyone
I don´t think I follow, could you clarify? Is he playing like you, which makes it hard to distinguish between you two, making you want to lynch him? Because that sounds crazy...
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Tyrran, why do you think prplhz is Town if he didn´t do anything to stop the sinani lynch until it was to late, even though he has said since that he thought sinani was Town? He had a Townread on sinani, he had every opportunity to save sinani but didn´t, he has tried to convince us that his "LESS PEOPLE ON SINANI206" was meant as an honest attempt to save sinani, but what really happened is that he sat by and watched as the last critical votes piled on. Don´t you think he would have done more if he didn´t want sinani lynched, perhaps at least say in the thread that he was against the lynch? Checking his filter, he mention sinani twice, before the lynch, in the "LESS PEOPLE ON SINANI206"-post and his defence of sinani 2 minutes before deadline, that´s how much he was trying to stop the mislynch.
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On November 20 2011 02:19 Kibibit wrote:
My honest, poorly put together opinion on prplhz is that he has said very little of use in getting much of a positive read. I'm fairly suspicious of him at this point. He's aggressive as hell, and the vast majority of his defenses consist of "I'm not mafia becsude you're all terrible" and his reasoning for goin after other players has been fairly empty at best.
I was hesitant on kenpachi mostly because while he was whiny, nothing he did was particularly scumlike. The read I'm getting on prplhz is noticably less pristine. That said, I'll probaly wait a tick before throwing down the vote. I'm Leaning towards yes on prplhz and chaoser at this point Thanks for the answer.
What do you think about Drazerk and Nisani201? A large chunk of Town seem to want to lynch them.
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On November 20 2011 02:31 prplhz wrote:
So ... I wasn't around and when I was around I had to go through 20 pages of chaoser and Palmar and wherebugsgo going at it and then finally when I reached the end of that shitstorm, I arrive at people wanting to lynch another known lurker. I didn't have a decidedly town read on him but I didn't think he was scummy enough at all. Look at his posts, all one liners. I just think they looked like he actually tried to contribute with his single lines compared to other games so I wrote in caps lock DO NOT LYNCH. Why the hell aren't you focusing on the moron who actually went ahead and lynched him instead, I believe it was hyshes but don't hold me up on that. What are you talking about? You definetly didn´t shout DO NOT LYNCH SINANI. You might think, or try to convince us, that you thought that was a good defence, but it wasn´t, which means you either made a huge mistake, or you are a liar.
On November 17 2011 11:18 prplhz wrote:
START VOTING DRAZERK HIRORUBY AND CYBER_CHEESE
STOP VOTING LANAIA AND CHAOSER This is you making a weak, but honest, attempt to aid Lanaia and Chaoser. Blaming the lack of time, I can accept that this is all you wrote at the time.
On November 18 2011 10:53 prplhz wrote:
MORE PEOPLE ON DRAZERK, HIRORUBY, AND CYBER_CHEESE
LESS PEOPLE ON SINANI206 This is you not being clear what you want us to do about sinani. Do you want less focus on the others because sinani has been discussed enough? It´s just as likely, and the first thing I thought when I read it, which is why your post isn´t a defence of sinani at all. It´s muddled and confusing, and it didn´t have the desired effect, unless the desired effect was to get some Towncred while Town mislynched.
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On November 20 2011 02:57 prplhz wrote:
It was kinda to contrast the "MORE PEOPLE ..." thing. What do I mean by I want less people to vote sinani206 when he's on 13 votes and he needs 14 to die? I don't think I am being very unclear. Also, I meant every single thing I wrote in caps. I didn't have time to write 6 pages of huge posts like certain other players have done this game, I just posted what I wanted to happen and then the rest is really up to you guys. I thought maybe people would feel exhausted by all those huge posts and then they'd see my 10 word statements in caps and feel relieved and then they'd read them. I'm pretty sure everybody read my post.
It doesn´t work that way. If what you post doesn´t convince us, then it´s not our fault, it´s your fault for writing bad posts, or for having a history of scumminess in this game. Saying "Don´t vote him" is not the same thing as defending.
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On November 20 2011 02:59 hyshes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 02:57 prplhz wrote:
@hyshes
So you are mason and you chose to mason Drazerk or what? Do you know what masons are?
We know how they work, but we don´t know how they works in this game.
Did you both start with PM-rights to eachother from the beginning of the game, or did either of you need to choose the other to join the mason circle? Did your role-PM state that your mason-buddy is a confirmed Town player, or can one of you be scum?
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