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On November 25 2011 19:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
Forumite do you even know what a chainsaw defense is?
He´s attacking those voting him, so close enough. The chainsaw defence is you and Tyrran going to Palmars defence whenever anyone doubts him. Look back to my fakevote, minutes after both of you jumped forward and questioned my alignment.
Anyway this is not about what you and Tyrran did, I´m voting Palmar because he´s attacking anyone doubting him and threatening to give up if we don´t follow his lead. It´s an underhanded tactic, and I don´t like it. It definetly doesn´t help Town right now.
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Don´t forget you are allready on MrZentors case, Palmar.
This makes 9 votes from Palmar, including Nisani.
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On November 25 2011 19:48 Palmar wrote:
Forumite, I've proven beyond reasonable doubt that you're bad or scum. You should probably stop talking now.
Town is loosing, so we´re all playing bad.
This whole thing you do now is either a scumstunt to get people off your back, or you are really giving up. Which doesn´t really matter, I don´t want you alive if you do things like that.
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Hmmm. Right now I´m being voted on by the three musketeers (Palmar, WBG Tyrran), Coag (votes everyone), Zeph (OMGUS), Bum and RoL. Only Bum and RoL stand out, I expected the others.
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On November 25 2011 20:01 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 19:43 Forumite wrote:On November 25 2011 19:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
Forumite do you even know what a chainsaw defense is? He´s attacking those voting him, so close enough. The chainsaw defence is you and Tyrran going to Palmars defence whenever anyone doubts him. Look back to my fakevote, minutes after both of you jumped forward and questioned my alignment. Anyway this is not about what you and Tyrran did, I´m voting Palmar because he´s attacking anyone doubting him and threatening to give up if we don´t follow his lead. It´s an underhanded tactic, and I don´t like it. It definetly doesn´t help Town right now. Tyrran and I are only chainsaw defending Palmar if the following are true: 1. All 3 of us are scum 2. We defend Palmar not by actually defending him but ignoring him and attacking you instead Neither of those things are true, I know that for a fact. Please stop spouting garbage.
I can´t know if 1 is true, and 2 isn´t required, it´s just a general sense of the defence. You can´t honestly say that the last turn, Palmar calling everyone bad, isn´t more focused on the voter rather than defending Palmar.
This isn´t an exact science, scum know what Chainsaw Defence is and will try to avoid it, but this affair with Palmar giving up, and you and Tyrran defending him unquestioningly, reminds me of a Scum Chainsaw Defence, because of the coordination and focus on throwing doubt on the attacker.
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On November 25 2011 20:04 xsksc wrote:
We're not lynching Palmar if we want to win.
##Vote: Forumite
Have you read the thread? Palmar has given up, he wants us to lynch him if we don´t follow him blindly. Is that what you want to do? Are you so sure that Palmar has got this game that you would follow him even if he wants to give up the game, because it certainly looks that way.
Anyway if you are voting me, at least explain your stance better. I hate one-liners followed by a vote.
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On November 25 2011 20:12 Tyrran wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 20:08 Forumite wrote:On November 25 2011 20:01 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 25 2011 19:43 Forumite wrote:On November 25 2011 19:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
Forumite do you even know what a chainsaw defense is? He´s attacking those voting him, so close enough. The chainsaw defence is you and Tyrran going to Palmars defence whenever anyone doubts him. Look back to my fakevote, minutes after both of you jumped forward and questioned my alignment. Anyway this is not about what you and Tyrran did, I´m voting Palmar because he´s attacking anyone doubting him and threatening to give up if we don´t follow his lead. It´s an underhanded tactic, and I don´t like it. It definetly doesn´t help Town right now. Tyrran and I are only chainsaw defending Palmar if the following are true: 1. All 3 of us are scum 2. We defend Palmar not by actually defending him but ignoring him and attacking you instead Neither of those things are true, I know that for a fact. Please stop spouting garbage. I can´t know if 1 is true, and 2 isn´t required, it´s just a general sense of the defence. You can´t honestly say that the last turn, Palmar calling everyone bad, isn´t more focused on the voter rather than defending Palmar. This isn´t an exact science, scum know what Chainsaw Defence is and will try to avoid it, but this affair with Palmar giving up, and you and Tyrran defending him unquestioningly, reminds me of a Scum Chainsaw Defence, because of the coordination and focus on throwing doubt on the attacker. Actually, its closer to a Town Chainsaw defense. Palmar is hugely likely to be town ( if you are not convinced, please carefully read his filter until you are), and is by far the best town player. Anyone trying to lynch him or start a bandwagon against him is either scum or really bad, and thus is a good candidate for lynching.
Read his filter until I´m convinced? Really? Is "Palmar is Town" a big truth that can not be contradicted?
You know he´s been doing a few weird things in the thread, this latest with giving up obviously the biggest one, and I´m not comfortable with letting it go. Palmar has acted Town, but he´s also been leading Town to absolutely nothing, we´re still no closer to finding Scum. I want to make sure that Palmar isn´t deceiving us, instead of just hope for the best and follow him blindly.
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On November 25 2011 20:14 xsksc wrote:
I have a 100% sure reason to believe Palmar is town, it's not just a guess.
Could you elaborate? You´ve basically softclaimed detective, so you might as well hardclaim too.
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On November 25 2011 20:22 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 20:21 Forumite wrote:On November 25 2011 20:12 Tyrran wrote:On November 25 2011 20:08 Forumite wrote:On November 25 2011 20:01 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 25 2011 19:43 Forumite wrote:On November 25 2011 19:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
Forumite do you even know what a chainsaw defense is? He´s attacking those voting him, so close enough. The chainsaw defence is you and Tyrran going to Palmars defence whenever anyone doubts him. Look back to my fakevote, minutes after both of you jumped forward and questioned my alignment. Anyway this is not about what you and Tyrran did, I´m voting Palmar because he´s attacking anyone doubting him and threatening to give up if we don´t follow his lead. It´s an underhanded tactic, and I don´t like it. It definetly doesn´t help Town right now. Tyrran and I are only chainsaw defending Palmar if the following are true: 1. All 3 of us are scum 2. We defend Palmar not by actually defending him but ignoring him and attacking you instead Neither of those things are true, I know that for a fact. Please stop spouting garbage. I can´t know if 1 is true, and 2 isn´t required, it´s just a general sense of the defence. You can´t honestly say that the last turn, Palmar calling everyone bad, isn´t more focused on the voter rather than defending Palmar. This isn´t an exact science, scum know what Chainsaw Defence is and will try to avoid it, but this affair with Palmar giving up, and you and Tyrran defending him unquestioningly, reminds me of a Scum Chainsaw Defence, because of the coordination and focus on throwing doubt on the attacker. Actually, its closer to a Town Chainsaw defense. Palmar is hugely likely to be town ( if you are not convinced, please carefully read his filter until you are), and is by far the best town player. Anyone trying to lynch him or start a bandwagon against him is either scum or really bad, and thus is a good candidate for lynching. Read his filter until I´m convinced? Really? Is "Palmar is Town" a big truth that can not be contradicted? You know he´s been doing a few weird things in the thread, this latest with giving up obviously the biggest one, and I´m not comfortable with letting it go. Palmar has acted Town, but he´s also been leading Town to absolutely nothing, we´re still no closer to finding Scum. I want to make sure that Palmar isn´t deceiving us, instead of just hope for the best and follow him blindly. Maybe the reason we're not closer to finding scum is people listening to you instead of me?
You don´t have much hope of Nisani flipping Scum, do you?
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On November 25 2011 20:26 xsksc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 20:22 Palmar wrote:On November 25 2011 20:14 xsksc wrote:
I have a 100% sure reason to believe Palmar is town, it's not just a guess. rofl, look at that. It's to do with my role. I don't want to claim yet unless I have to. What's so funny about that?
Palmar thinks it´s funny that a blue claimed to save him.
I don´t trust a claim until it´s a real claim. I don´t care about your role and full powers, but I want to know what night action make you 100% sure that Palmar is Town?
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On November 25 2011 20:25 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 20:24 Forumite wrote:On November 25 2011 20:22 Palmar wrote:On November 25 2011 20:21 Forumite wrote:On November 25 2011 20:12 Tyrran wrote:On November 25 2011 20:08 Forumite wrote:On November 25 2011 20:01 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 25 2011 19:43 Forumite wrote:On November 25 2011 19:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
Forumite do you even know what a chainsaw defense is? He´s attacking those voting him, so close enough. The chainsaw defence is you and Tyrran going to Palmars defence whenever anyone doubts him. Look back to my fakevote, minutes after both of you jumped forward and questioned my alignment. Anyway this is not about what you and Tyrran did, I´m voting Palmar because he´s attacking anyone doubting him and threatening to give up if we don´t follow his lead. It´s an underhanded tactic, and I don´t like it. It definetly doesn´t help Town right now. Tyrran and I are only chainsaw defending Palmar if the following are true: 1. All 3 of us are scum 2. We defend Palmar not by actually defending him but ignoring him and attacking you instead Neither of those things are true, I know that for a fact. Please stop spouting garbage. I can´t know if 1 is true, and 2 isn´t required, it´s just a general sense of the defence. You can´t honestly say that the last turn, Palmar calling everyone bad, isn´t more focused on the voter rather than defending Palmar. This isn´t an exact science, scum know what Chainsaw Defence is and will try to avoid it, but this affair with Palmar giving up, and you and Tyrran defending him unquestioningly, reminds me of a Scum Chainsaw Defence, because of the coordination and focus on throwing doubt on the attacker. Actually, its closer to a Town Chainsaw defense. Palmar is hugely likely to be town ( if you are not convinced, please carefully read his filter until you are), and is by far the best town player. Anyone trying to lynch him or start a bandwagon against him is either scum or really bad, and thus is a good candidate for lynching. Read his filter until I´m convinced? Really? Is "Palmar is Town" a big truth that can not be contradicted? You know he´s been doing a few weird things in the thread, this latest with giving up obviously the biggest one, and I´m not comfortable with letting it go. Palmar has acted Town, but he´s also been leading Town to absolutely nothing, we´re still no closer to finding Scum. I want to make sure that Palmar isn´t deceiving us, instead of just hope for the best and follow him blindly. Maybe the reason we're not closer to finding scum is people listening to you instead of me? You don´t have much hope of Nisani flipping Scum, do you? Depends how you define scum. If we use the definition "A player who increases the mafia's chance of winning" then, he's 100% scum.
Fair enough, I can´t really argue with that, even though I doubt he´s flipping as the mafia variant.
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On November 25 2011 20:29 Cyber_Cheese wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 20:28 Forumite wrote:On November 25 2011 20:26 xsksc wrote:On November 25 2011 20:22 Palmar wrote:On November 25 2011 20:14 xsksc wrote:
I have a 100% sure reason to believe Palmar is town, it's not just a guess. rofl, look at that. It's to do with my role. I don't want to claim yet unless I have to. What's so funny about that? Palmar thinks it´s funny that a blue claimed to save him. I don´t trust a claim until it´s a real claim. I don´t care about your role and full powers, but I want to know what night action make you 100% sure that Palmar is Town? Short of knowing the scum teams powers, I don't think that's possible...
I don´t think it´s possible to know 100% either, but xsksc says he´s 100% sure.
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There are so many lurkers, not just Sabin010. Coag and Kibibit are hardcore lurking too, even got warnings for it.
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I know this will probably backfire, but I´ll back off Palmar for now. He´s not going to get lynched anyway, and we have other more pressing things to discuss.
##Unvote: Palmar
Of WBGs suggestions, I will agree to lynch those that are not me. I´ve allready voted Zeph, and MrZentor is still an indecisive lurker that we don´t have any way of reading. The scumminess is not accompanied with Chaosers skill either, which was the reason I didn´t feel like lynching Chaoser Day 1. I thought Chaoser was just fooling around, until he was ready to reveal his reads, that isn´t likely to happen with MrZentor.
##Vote: MrZentor
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I´ll claim together with Palmar and xsksc when they claim, not before. A Massclaim is a massclaim, it´s all or nothing, not just most claiming.
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On November 25 2011 21:11 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 21:11 Forumite wrote:
I´ll claim together with Palmar and xsksc when they claim, not before. A Massclaim is a massclaim, it´s all or nothing, not just most claiming. I'm claiming right after xsksc, that should get the ball rolling.
Sounds good. We´re just waiting for xsksc to get back then.
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I´m an ordinary Vanilla Townie.
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Checked, he breadrumbed "Godfather" both times. xsksc protected Palmar, which makes both claims much easier to believe.
More claims, we´re not nearly there yet.
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On November 26 2011 00:26 hyshes wrote:
So everyone is blue? Anyway, none of you is confirmed and some of you are smart enough to setup things. But as the only confirmed townie i'm going to vote forumite. I've no hidden agenda whatsoever.
##Vote: Forumite
Confirmed Townie or not, I´d still appreciate if you provide your reasoning.
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On November 26 2011 00:48 hyshes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2011 00:41 Forumite wrote:On November 26 2011 00:26 hyshes wrote:
So everyone is blue? Anyway, none of you is confirmed and some of you are smart enough to setup things. But as the only confirmed townie i'm going to vote forumite. I've no hidden agenda whatsoever.
##Vote: Forumite Confirmed Townie or not, I´d still appreciate if you provide your reasoning. I just read the thread. I've looked at your filter and voting paterns. Can't exactly say "its this post..." or "it that vote...", Its just a conclusion after putting all the information on a line.
Right.
I still think my one mistake was missing the breadcrumbs. What finally changed my mind was xsksc's claim, after he said he was 100% sure, which couldn´t have made him cop but would work with doctor.
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