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On November 09 2011 07:15 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 07:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
For once I actually agree with red.
GM is forsure scum, the last is either nipple or S&G.
Kita we can lynch based on your checks. Lynch GM today and then we lynch whoever you haven't checked tomorrow and the last person alive on the last day. Then we win. Problem here is that tomorrow Kita is probally going to die because we no longer have a medic
that's not a problem, they have a check from today.
Imagine this:
GM dies. If kita checked you last night, you're clean and you guys can lynch me tomorrow and then nipple the last day (or the other way around, too) If kita checked me last night, then we lynch nipple and then if nipple is not scum we lynch you guys. Or, again, the other way around works too.
If kita checked nipple last night then he'll tell us, what parity he got. We lynch GM, then if nipple was opposite parity of GM the lynch comes down to our teams (S&G and Chezinu)
town wins this no matter what.
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oh shit you're right.
Alright, then we need to lynch GM's team today and lynch nipple tomorrow.
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what did you get on the parity check?
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red all that matters right now is your check.
You give your check, we kill GM. There's no real reason NOT to kill GM today, he's confirmed scum.
If you didn't get anything useful on the check then I say we kill nipple tomorow because S&G looks town to me and I definitely am town.
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greymist what do you think about this?
Kita are you waiting for GM, or is there something else?
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I wish Radfield were here 
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On November 09 2011 07:35 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 07:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
greymist what do you think about this?
Kita are you waiting for GM, or is there something else? I'd perfer them not wait too long, because the more time we have to discuss these checks the better. We are lynching GM today, no question. kita might be happy that he gets to kill the pony cult leader for real this time, but idk. As far as the next lynch goes, it is between you and team nipple. I have been more suspicious of team nipple all game long, and that really hasn't changed. Hopefully Red21 can get us some more info with which to work.
Agreed. This is the exact same position I'm in; I've felt all game that you and super have been more town than team nipple, and I feel today GM needs to be lynched at all costs.
I'm incredibly surprised chaoser wasn't scum, though. This is like XLV all over again for me.
I'm good to vote to kill GM's team whenever, but red you should publicize the checks soon.
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red don't be stupid, you had like four "scumreads" day 1, and you pushed team SS and team Viking far harder than you pushed GM's team.
You also made an incredibly derp vote on me. Let's stop wasting time and giving GM/nipple the opportunity to reenter the thread. Post your check. All that matters is whether nipple is scum or not.
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On November 04 2011 11:23 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 11:08 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 04 2011 10:52 kitaman27 wrote:On November 04 2011 10:21 deconduo wrote:
Prime scum team, probably worthy of a vote. I want to here what sandroba has to say first though, still haven't gotten in contact with him yet. Won't be able to until tomorrow either as I'm off to bed now. Oh prime scum team? Funny, you haven't pointed out anything that was actually scummy. At this point, I believe the scum team is contained in this set of players. Ideally I'd like to be able to narrow it down as more people start to post, but RoL, Kurumi, Crofty, iGrok, and Katzeleute all need to give us more to work with. 1. sandroba & Sevryn Deconduo - TEAM SS 3. Radfield & wherebugsgo - TEAM CHEZINU 4. Kurumi & RebirthOfLeGenD - TEAM NIPPLE 5. Crofty & Gmarshal - TEAM LIQUID 7. chaoser & hyshes - TEAM EDWARD 8. iGrok & Katzeleute - TEAM SWITZERLAND lol @ this, kita names 2/3 of the player base as being possible scum and then doesn't explain why he conveniently excludes Forumite+prpl and Greymist+super. I mean, really, what is your point? Why are prpl+forumite not possible scum? Or Grey+super? For all we know, you could be scum. This "information" you provide is utterly useless. hes just giving his reads. its funny that this is the first time you've attacked us and its just after decon fos'd us. scum. ##unvote
##Vote wherebugsgo
Red you have called literally every single team in this game, with the possible exception of iGrok's team, scum at some point or another. You are the very definition of useless derp.
On day 1 you called GM scum. You called chaoser scum for telling super the QT plan was dumb. You called SS scum. You called me scum because I pointed out that kita named 2/3 of the playerbase in his suspicions post and said nothing. You called Viking scum and pushed them to lynch. You called nipple scum. And just today and last night you've been calling super+grey scum.
Literally. Everyone.
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Nah, I actually admit when I've played badly. This game, for example, I was convinced SS and Edward had to be scum. I was completely wrong and I admit that.
You, on the other hand, try to take credit for being correct when you've FoSed 7 out of 9 players in the game, with one that you didn't dying night 1 and the other being your own team.
Sounds like you're a derp.
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On November 09 2011 08:45 kitaman27 wrote:
FOS Team SWITZERLAND
Don't worry kita, I still love you <3 you're not a derp at all.
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No reason to wait for Radfield. He hasn't even talked to me in 2 days.
GM we're lynching. We don't care about his opinion.
Kurumi and RoL haven't done anything all game so it's not like you can expect them to do something now.
Greymist is right.
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Can someone explain to me why GM is not dead yet?
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On November 09 2011 09:31 GMarshal wrote:
Well it should be obvious I fakeclaimed as town to try to save the medic.
IN no scenario does it make sense for me to claim medic, at night, as scum, because in the best case scenario something like this happens. However as town it means I get to
1.) Save the real medic if he exists
2.) Give the DT a check, either by having him check me and dying or by letting him live and check someone else.
In the scenario in which no other blue exist, I gave the dt basically a free check into a pool of 3 players. In a scenario in which a medic exists, the game becomes unwinnable for mafia, unless the medic counterclaims at night. Which chaoser did.
If you examine the motivation behind the claim, there is no logic to it as scum, none. There is no reason I would risk a counterclaim like that or you know, a blue dying at night or CALLING FOR THE DT TO CHECK ME, if I were scum and not in a mental asylum.
Didn't take a clairvoyant to see this load of shit coming.
Tell me, if you're town fake claiming, why did scum shoot chaoser and not you? You claimed first, if you're both town then you are the one who should've died.
Then tell us in what situation a town fake claim helps town? One mislynch and the game is over. Your fakeclaim has created so much WIFOM it's still unknown who the last scumteam is. In other words, it's an excellent gamble to out the medic (if there is one) and ensure the PC dies before the last crucial day when your scumbuddy can simply ride the bus to victory.
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On November 09 2011 09:38 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 09:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:31 GMarshal wrote:
Well it should be obvious I fakeclaimed as town to try to save the medic.
IN no scenario does it make sense for me to claim medic, at night, as scum, because in the best case scenario something like this happens. However as town it means I get to
1.) Save the real medic if he exists
2.) Give the DT a check, either by having him check me and dying or by letting him live and check someone else.
In the scenario in which no other blue exist, I gave the dt basically a free check into a pool of 3 players. In a scenario in which a medic exists, the game becomes unwinnable for mafia, unless the medic counterclaims at night. Which chaoser did.
If you examine the motivation behind the claim, there is no logic to it as scum, none. There is no reason I would risk a counterclaim like that or you know, a blue dying at night or CALLING FOR THE DT TO CHECK ME, if I were scum and not in a mental asylum. Didn't take a clairvoyant to see this load of shit coming. Tell me, if you're town fake claiming, why did scum shoot chaoser and not you? You claimed first, if you're both town then you are the one who should've died. Then tell us in what situation a town fake claim helps town? One mislynch and the game is over. Your fakeclaim has created so much WIFOM it's still unknown who the last scumteam is. In other words, it's an excellent gamble to out the medic (if there is one) and ensure the PC dies before the last crucial day when your scumbuddy can simply ride the bus to victory. Yeah, right, keep twisting things. Lets see how this helps town, shall we? Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot you have 1 dt check that went off 1 dt = 2 confirmed townies if the medic claims and can prove it through crumbs you either have 3 confirmed townies or 2 confirmed townies and a red check. Next night mafia has to shoot doc + 1 dt check into a pool of 2 player, its gg even if a medic *doesn't* exist as long as the other blue doesn't conterclaim/exist I'm still buying a dt check into a pool of 4 players with my life. 50% chance of hitting scum. Basically as long as the blue waited to counterclaim (which any sensible blue would do) I was buying us *at least* a free dt check, an instant victory if a medic existed and did not counterclaim.
Everything after this line:
Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot
Matters for shit because
1. Chaoser counterclaimed
and
2. You're still alive.
The rest of your post is basically a jab at chaoser for counterclaiming you because it outed you as scum, and then total ignorance as to how a parity cop would work. A parity cop doesn't give you scum or town unless you get very specific checks off. It just gives you parity, and quite frankly we don't know what kind of information the PC has.
Nice WIFOM, GM, nice WIFOM.
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Also if I was scum I wouldn't shoot chaoser. That's incredibly dumb when I wanted to lynch him all game long.
GM you fucking hosted the only game in which I was scum. You remember Nisani? We kept pushing each other all game long and we left him alive, choosing to shoot others instead. Why on earth would I shoot someone I think I can lynch?
If I were scum and you and chaoser were both town I would've shot the third townie (nipple or S&G, whichever one of them is town) and then let the lynch fall between you and chaoser. Chaoser would've pushed you and all I would've needed is my scumbuddy to bandwagon with me, game over. Why as scum would I put myself in this position, where I have to fight with you about all of this WIFOM?
God your argument is terrible.
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On November 09 2011 09:49 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 09:43 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:38 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:31 GMarshal wrote:
Well it should be obvious I fakeclaimed as town to try to save the medic.
IN no scenario does it make sense for me to claim medic, at night, as scum, because in the best case scenario something like this happens. However as town it means I get to
1.) Save the real medic if he exists
2.) Give the DT a check, either by having him check me and dying or by letting him live and check someone else.
In the scenario in which no other blue exist, I gave the dt basically a free check into a pool of 3 players. In a scenario in which a medic exists, the game becomes unwinnable for mafia, unless the medic counterclaims at night. Which chaoser did.
If you examine the motivation behind the claim, there is no logic to it as scum, none. There is no reason I would risk a counterclaim like that or you know, a blue dying at night or CALLING FOR THE DT TO CHECK ME, if I were scum and not in a mental asylum. Didn't take a clairvoyant to see this load of shit coming. Tell me, if you're town fake claiming, why did scum shoot chaoser and not you? You claimed first, if you're both town then you are the one who should've died. Then tell us in what situation a town fake claim helps town? One mislynch and the game is over. Your fakeclaim has created so much WIFOM it's still unknown who the last scumteam is. In other words, it's an excellent gamble to out the medic (if there is one) and ensure the PC dies before the last crucial day when your scumbuddy can simply ride the bus to victory. Yeah, right, keep twisting things. Lets see how this helps town, shall we? Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot you have 1 dt check that went off 1 dt = 2 confirmed townies if the medic claims and can prove it through crumbs you either have 3 confirmed townies or 2 confirmed townies and a red check. Next night mafia has to shoot doc + 1 dt check into a pool of 2 player, its gg even if a medic *doesn't* exist as long as the other blue doesn't conterclaim/exist I'm still buying a dt check into a pool of 4 players with my life. 50% chance of hitting scum. Basically as long as the blue waited to counterclaim (which any sensible blue would do) I was buying us *at least* a free dt check, an instant victory if a medic existed and did not counterclaim. Everything after this line: Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot Matters for shit because 1. Chaoser counterclaimed and 2. You're still alive. The rest of your post is basically a jab at chaoser for counterclaiming you because it outed you as scum, and then total ignorance as to how a parity cop would work. A parity cop doesn't give you scum or town unless you get very specific checks off. It just gives you parity, and quite frankly we don't know what kind of information the PC has. Nice WIFOM, GM, nice WIFOM. I did not expect the medic to go full retard. Sorry, but any sane medic would have waited till morning, you know so he could get the protect off? Also parity cop gives you parity! Yes, very good! Which means that once you have a dead check you are as good as a regular cop! Explain to me how my actions make more sense as scum than as town? You can't because my move makes NO sense as scum. With a solid counterclaim come day I'm dead because I didn't get shot! Why would I ever run that risk, when there is a 2/3 chance of another blue and if I *don't* die theres a pretty large chance I'll get lynched for it. You are stretching trying to get the mislynch off, because you expected a quick hammer.
You act as if you have no concept of a scum gamble.
Scum gambles, kills the medic, your scumbuddy busses you, and then town is in a tough spot when the DT dies and they have 0 information to go on the last day. It's basically a coinflip for both the townies in that situation.
On November 09 2011 09:54 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 09:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also if I was scum I wouldn't shoot chaoser. That's incredibly dumb when I wanted to lynch him all game long.
GM you fucking hosted the only game in which I was scum. You remember Nisani? We kept pushing each other all game long and we left him alive, choosing to shoot others instead. Why on earth would I shoot someone I think I can lynch?
If I were scum and you and chaoser were both town I would've shot the third townie (nipple or S&G, whichever one of them is town) and then let the lynch fall between you and chaoser. Chaoser would've pushed you and all I would've needed is my scumbuddy to bandwagon with me, game over. Why as scum would I put myself in this position, where I have to fight with you about all of this WIFOM?
God your argument is terrible. you had to shoot him or me. If you shot me and I flipped green then gg, you lose, because chaoser would be confirmed, and kita would have gotten off a check, and you had no way of preventing a check the following night. So you either made the correct guess or more likely your rolecop had checked one of me or chaoser, and you seized the chance.
Once again, why would I shoot you or chaoser when I could shoot nipple/S&G?
Scum only need one mislynch today. If you and chaoser were both town, I could shoot that other townie and then sheep chaoser to victory. He even repeatedly said that he would insta-vote you.
Your logic is terrible and you know it. You need to die.
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On November 09 2011 10:02 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 09:57 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:49 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:43 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:38 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:31 GMarshal wrote:
Well it should be obvious I fakeclaimed as town to try to save the medic.
IN no scenario does it make sense for me to claim medic, at night, as scum, because in the best case scenario something like this happens. However as town it means I get to
1.) Save the real medic if he exists
2.) Give the DT a check, either by having him check me and dying or by letting him live and check someone else.
In the scenario in which no other blue exist, I gave the dt basically a free check into a pool of 3 players. In a scenario in which a medic exists, the game becomes unwinnable for mafia, unless the medic counterclaims at night. Which chaoser did.
If you examine the motivation behind the claim, there is no logic to it as scum, none. There is no reason I would risk a counterclaim like that or you know, a blue dying at night or CALLING FOR THE DT TO CHECK ME, if I were scum and not in a mental asylum. Didn't take a clairvoyant to see this load of shit coming. Tell me, if you're town fake claiming, why did scum shoot chaoser and not you? You claimed first, if you're both town then you are the one who should've died. Then tell us in what situation a town fake claim helps town? One mislynch and the game is over. Your fakeclaim has created so much WIFOM it's still unknown who the last scumteam is. In other words, it's an excellent gamble to out the medic (if there is one) and ensure the PC dies before the last crucial day when your scumbuddy can simply ride the bus to victory. Yeah, right, keep twisting things. Lets see how this helps town, shall we? Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot you have 1 dt check that went off 1 dt = 2 confirmed townies if the medic claims and can prove it through crumbs you either have 3 confirmed townies or 2 confirmed townies and a red check. Next night mafia has to shoot doc + 1 dt check into a pool of 2 player, its gg even if a medic *doesn't* exist as long as the other blue doesn't conterclaim/exist I'm still buying a dt check into a pool of 4 players with my life. 50% chance of hitting scum. Basically as long as the blue waited to counterclaim (which any sensible blue would do) I was buying us *at least* a free dt check, an instant victory if a medic existed and did not counterclaim. Everything after this line: Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot Matters for shit because 1. Chaoser counterclaimed and 2. You're still alive. The rest of your post is basically a jab at chaoser for counterclaiming you because it outed you as scum, and then total ignorance as to how a parity cop would work. A parity cop doesn't give you scum or town unless you get very specific checks off. It just gives you parity, and quite frankly we don't know what kind of information the PC has. Nice WIFOM, GM, nice WIFOM. I did not expect the medic to go full retard. Sorry, but any sane medic would have waited till morning, you know so he could get the protect off? Also parity cop gives you parity! Yes, very good! Which means that once you have a dead check you are as good as a regular cop! Explain to me how my actions make more sense as scum than as town? You can't because my move makes NO sense as scum. With a solid counterclaim come day I'm dead because I didn't get shot! Why would I ever run that risk, when there is a 2/3 chance of another blue and if I *don't* die theres a pretty large chance I'll get lynched for it. You are stretching trying to get the mislynch off, because you expected a quick hammer. You act as if you have no concept of a scum gamble. Scum gambles, kills the medic, your scumbuddy busses you, and then town is in a tough spot when the DT dies and they have 0 information to go on the last day. It's basically a coinflip for both the townies in that situation. On November 09 2011 09:54 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also if I was scum I wouldn't shoot chaoser. That's incredibly dumb when I wanted to lynch him all game long.
GM you fucking hosted the only game in which I was scum. You remember Nisani? We kept pushing each other all game long and we left him alive, choosing to shoot others instead. Why on earth would I shoot someone I think I can lynch?
If I were scum and you and chaoser were both town I would've shot the third townie (nipple or S&G, whichever one of them is town) and then let the lynch fall between you and chaoser. Chaoser would've pushed you and all I would've needed is my scumbuddy to bandwagon with me, game over. Why as scum would I put myself in this position, where I have to fight with you about all of this WIFOM?
God your argument is terrible. you had to shoot him or me. If you shot me and I flipped green then gg, you lose, because chaoser would be confirmed, and kita would have gotten off a check, and you had no way of preventing a check the following night. So you either made the correct guess or more likely your rolecop had checked one of me or chaoser, and you seized the chance. Once again, why would I shoot you or chaoser when I could shoot nipple/S&G?Scum only need one mislynch today. If you and chaoser were both town, I could shoot that other townie and then sheep chaoser to victory. He even repeatedly said that he would insta-vote you. Your logic is terrible and you know it. You need to die. How the fuck do I know who the medic is if he sensibly waits till morning to counterclaim? this would be a retarded gambleRight, you could have, except if you fail to get the mislynch, by say kita having a red check, then you automatically lose, as I've said. You HAD to shoot one of me and chaoser to avoid that.
So in this twisted universe of yours, where you and chaoser are both town, and I am scum, I would not get a mislynch on you after chaoser insta-votes you?
GM I expect better from you, this is some of the shittiest logic I've ever seen from a mafia player.
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On November 09 2011 10:05 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 09:57 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:49 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:43 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:38 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:31 GMarshal wrote:
Well it should be obvious I fakeclaimed as town to try to save the medic.
IN no scenario does it make sense for me to claim medic, at night, as scum, because in the best case scenario something like this happens. However as town it means I get to
1.) Save the real medic if he exists
2.) Give the DT a check, either by having him check me and dying or by letting him live and check someone else.
In the scenario in which no other blue exist, I gave the dt basically a free check into a pool of 3 players. In a scenario in which a medic exists, the game becomes unwinnable for mafia, unless the medic counterclaims at night. Which chaoser did.
If you examine the motivation behind the claim, there is no logic to it as scum, none. There is no reason I would risk a counterclaim like that or you know, a blue dying at night or CALLING FOR THE DT TO CHECK ME, if I were scum and not in a mental asylum. Didn't take a clairvoyant to see this load of shit coming. Tell me, if you're town fake claiming, why did scum shoot chaoser and not you? You claimed first, if you're both town then you are the one who should've died. Then tell us in what situation a town fake claim helps town? One mislynch and the game is over. Your fakeclaim has created so much WIFOM it's still unknown who the last scumteam is. In other words, it's an excellent gamble to out the medic (if there is one) and ensure the PC dies before the last crucial day when your scumbuddy can simply ride the bus to victory. Yeah, right, keep twisting things. Lets see how this helps town, shall we? Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot you have 1 dt check that went off 1 dt = 2 confirmed townies if the medic claims and can prove it through crumbs you either have 3 confirmed townies or 2 confirmed townies and a red check. Next night mafia has to shoot doc + 1 dt check into a pool of 2 player, its gg even if a medic *doesn't* exist as long as the other blue doesn't conterclaim/exist I'm still buying a dt check into a pool of 4 players with my life. 50% chance of hitting scum. Basically as long as the blue waited to counterclaim (which any sensible blue would do) I was buying us *at least* a free dt check, an instant victory if a medic existed and did not counterclaim. Everything after this line: Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot Matters for shit because 1. Chaoser counterclaimed and 2. You're still alive. The rest of your post is basically a jab at chaoser for counterclaiming you because it outed you as scum, and then total ignorance as to how a parity cop would work. A parity cop doesn't give you scum or town unless you get very specific checks off. It just gives you parity, and quite frankly we don't know what kind of information the PC has. Nice WIFOM, GM, nice WIFOM. I did not expect the medic to go full retard. Sorry, but any sane medic would have waited till morning, you know so he could get the protect off? Also parity cop gives you parity! Yes, very good! Which means that once you have a dead check you are as good as a regular cop! Explain to me how my actions make more sense as scum than as town? You can't because my move makes NO sense as scum. With a solid counterclaim come day I'm dead because I didn't get shot! Why would I ever run that risk, when there is a 2/3 chance of another blue and if I *don't* die theres a pretty large chance I'll get lynched for it. You are stretching trying to get the mislynch off, because you expected a quick hammer. You act as if you have no concept of a scum gamble. Scum gambles, kills the medic, your scumbuddy busses you, and then town is in a tough spot when the DT dies and they have 0 information to go on the last day. It's basically a coinflip for both the townies in that situation. On November 09 2011 09:54 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also if I was scum I wouldn't shoot chaoser. That's incredibly dumb when I wanted to lynch him all game long.
GM you fucking hosted the only game in which I was scum. You remember Nisani? We kept pushing each other all game long and we left him alive, choosing to shoot others instead. Why on earth would I shoot someone I think I can lynch?
If I were scum and you and chaoser were both town I would've shot the third townie (nipple or S&G, whichever one of them is town) and then let the lynch fall between you and chaoser. Chaoser would've pushed you and all I would've needed is my scumbuddy to bandwagon with me, game over. Why as scum would I put myself in this position, where I have to fight with you about all of this WIFOM?
God your argument is terrible. you had to shoot him or me. If you shot me and I flipped green then gg, you lose, because chaoser would be confirmed, and kita would have gotten off a check, and you had no way of preventing a check the following night. So you either made the correct guess or more likely your rolecop had checked one of me or chaoser, and you seized the chance. Once again, why would I shoot you or chaoser when I could shoot nipple/S&G?Scum only need one mislynch today. If you and chaoser were both town, I could shoot that other townie and then sheep chaoser to victory. He even repeatedly said that he would insta-vote you. Your logic is terrible and you know it. You need to die. ... as scum the optimal move was to shoot the medic lol
Stop derping and start reading.
GM insists that if I were scum and he and chaoser were both town then it would've made sense for me to shoot GM or chaoser, except in the case of a role check.
I tell him that's not true since chaoser vowed to insta-vote him today.
Insta-vote from chaoser, a townie, and me being scum=I just tell my scumbuddy to vote with me and I win within five minutes.
Tell me, how does any of what GM is saying make sense?
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On November 09 2011 10:14 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 10:09 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 10:05 redFF wrote:On November 09 2011 09:57 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:49 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:43 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:38 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 09 2011 09:31 GMarshal wrote:
Well it should be obvious I fakeclaimed as town to try to save the medic.
IN no scenario does it make sense for me to claim medic, at night, as scum, because in the best case scenario something like this happens. However as town it means I get to
1.) Save the real medic if he exists
2.) Give the DT a check, either by having him check me and dying or by letting him live and check someone else.
In the scenario in which no other blue exist, I gave the dt basically a free check into a pool of 3 players. In a scenario in which a medic exists, the game becomes unwinnable for mafia, unless the medic counterclaims at night. Which chaoser did.
If you examine the motivation behind the claim, there is no logic to it as scum, none. There is no reason I would risk a counterclaim like that or you know, a blue dying at night or CALLING FOR THE DT TO CHECK ME, if I were scum and not in a mental asylum. Didn't take a clairvoyant to see this load of shit coming. Tell me, if you're town fake claiming, why did scum shoot chaoser and not you? You claimed first, if you're both town then you are the one who should've died. Then tell us in what situation a town fake claim helps town? One mislynch and the game is over. Your fakeclaim has created so much WIFOM it's still unknown who the last scumteam is. In other words, it's an excellent gamble to out the medic (if there is one) and ensure the PC dies before the last crucial day when your scumbuddy can simply ride the bus to victory. Yeah, right, keep twisting things. Lets see how this helps town, shall we? Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot you have 1 dt check that went off 1 dt = 2 confirmed townies if the medic claims and can prove it through crumbs you either have 3 confirmed townies or 2 confirmed townies and a red check. Next night mafia has to shoot doc + 1 dt check into a pool of 2 player, its gg even if a medic *doesn't* exist as long as the other blue doesn't conterclaim/exist I'm still buying a dt check into a pool of 4 players with my life. 50% chance of hitting scum. Basically as long as the blue waited to counterclaim (which any sensible blue would do) I was buying us *at least* a free dt check, an instant victory if a medic existed and did not counterclaim. Everything after this line: Assume a doctor exists. He does not counterclaim at night, I get shot Matters for shit because 1. Chaoser counterclaimed and 2. You're still alive. The rest of your post is basically a jab at chaoser for counterclaiming you because it outed you as scum, and then total ignorance as to how a parity cop would work. A parity cop doesn't give you scum or town unless you get very specific checks off. It just gives you parity, and quite frankly we don't know what kind of information the PC has. Nice WIFOM, GM, nice WIFOM. I did not expect the medic to go full retard. Sorry, but any sane medic would have waited till morning, you know so he could get the protect off? Also parity cop gives you parity! Yes, very good! Which means that once you have a dead check you are as good as a regular cop! Explain to me how my actions make more sense as scum than as town? You can't because my move makes NO sense as scum. With a solid counterclaim come day I'm dead because I didn't get shot! Why would I ever run that risk, when there is a 2/3 chance of another blue and if I *don't* die theres a pretty large chance I'll get lynched for it. You are stretching trying to get the mislynch off, because you expected a quick hammer. You act as if you have no concept of a scum gamble. Scum gambles, kills the medic, your scumbuddy busses you, and then town is in a tough spot when the DT dies and they have 0 information to go on the last day. It's basically a coinflip for both the townies in that situation. On November 09 2011 09:54 GMarshal wrote:On November 09 2011 09:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also if I was scum I wouldn't shoot chaoser. That's incredibly dumb when I wanted to lynch him all game long.
GM you fucking hosted the only game in which I was scum. You remember Nisani? We kept pushing each other all game long and we left him alive, choosing to shoot others instead. Why on earth would I shoot someone I think I can lynch?
If I were scum and you and chaoser were both town I would've shot the third townie (nipple or S&G, whichever one of them is town) and then let the lynch fall between you and chaoser. Chaoser would've pushed you and all I would've needed is my scumbuddy to bandwagon with me, game over. Why as scum would I put myself in this position, where I have to fight with you about all of this WIFOM?
God your argument is terrible. you had to shoot him or me. If you shot me and I flipped green then gg, you lose, because chaoser would be confirmed, and kita would have gotten off a check, and you had no way of preventing a check the following night. So you either made the correct guess or more likely your rolecop had checked one of me or chaoser, and you seized the chance. Once again, why would I shoot you or chaoser when I could shoot nipple/S&G?Scum only need one mislynch today. If you and chaoser were both town, I could shoot that other townie and then sheep chaoser to victory. He even repeatedly said that he would insta-vote you. Your logic is terrible and you know it. You need to die. ... as scum the optimal move was to shoot the medic lol Stop derping and start reading. GM insists that if I were scum and he and chaoser were both town then it would've made sense for me to shoot GM or chaoser, except in the case of a role check. I tell him that's not true since chaoser vowed to insta-vote him today. Insta-vote from chaoser, a townie, and me being scum=I just tell my scumbuddy to vote with me and I win within five minutes. Tell me, how does any of what GM is saying make sense? me and kita could've convinced chaoser not instavote. maybe your scumbuddy isnt around? i never said that gm is making sense. now your putting words into my mouth.
I'm not putting words in your mouth, I'm asking you sincerely what GM has said that has made sense so far.
On November 09 2011 10:15 redFF wrote:
also fuck you. seriously im never playing in a game with fucking wbg ever again lol.
LOL
it's more than a little frustrating when you have refused to reveal your checks for over 3 hours.
I can't believe I've wasted so much time F5ing this thread to make sure no one gets stupidly hammered, when I could be studying for stats.
this game is a joke.
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