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Drem903
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He only seems to post to try and appear active. | ||
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If you're not able to change you're vote, then we also have to be very suspicious of zanfada. We both randomly chose a person to try and encourage discussion, but he actually voted. If you can't change you're vote, then that seems suspicious to me, as he seems in a hurry to lynch someone (anyone). If you can change you're vote, then it's no big deal, but it's still something to consider. | ||
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On October 31 2011 05:04 IMABUNNEH wrote: Hmm good point, that'll teach me to reread better. We still haven't heard from Skrammen though, and I still think Toad is dodgy. Since other than telling people they should post more posts, he hasn't really said anything. Zanfada also has not posted at all since his initial accusation, so he should also be one to consider for now. | ||
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His only notable post just recounts information that everyone should know (though some may not have read the thread too carefully and could've forgotten). Although i feel the need to point out, that SKrammen did call out Zanfada for being hasty to vote (even if he could later rescind the vote). If they were both scum, then it wouldn't make sense for them to call suspicion upon one another. Zanfada also hasn't posted in a while, and the only notable parts of his posts were: asking the blues to post more frequently (though not to identify themselves), and to defend himself from hacklebeasts own accusations. So, the people i'm currently very suspicious of are: SKrammen and Zanfada. When i get more time to really look at everyone's posts this might change, but it's just those 2 for now. ##vote Zanfada | ||
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Mostly because he seems adamant about convincing us that he is town, and constantly restates that point over and over again. Which seems like something mafia would do if they were desperate to avoid a lynch. | ||
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On November 02 2011 06:36 Toadesstern wrote: was that about me? If yes than I'll ask you a question: If someone said you're mafia and in reality you're town. So given that situation: You would not try to convince people you're town? Because that's going to get people on the right track and town will avoid a town lynch. I'd say in both cases I'm going to try and convince you I'm town :p As town you should have nothing to be afraid of, and shouldn't have to to keep saying "trust me, i'm town". You're actions will show people if you're town more so than you saying it. To me, the latter is far more suspicious. If people think you're scum, then telling them you're not doesn't change their mind. That's just my opinion on it. | ||
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Although it is noteworthy to say that Toad does have a point about Risk not really posting that much. He's actively defending SK, although he immediately tries to spurn attention back on SK when he is called into question, and a few of his posts are just updates on him lurking. He has also tried to get people to look at Toad. So if Toad is mafia, then risk probably isn't. If risk is mafia, then toad isn't, and SKrammen is also mafia because risk wouldn't defend him if he wasn't. | ||
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Something to consider is that Mafia may have killed Risk to try and reinforce the current FOS on Toad. | ||
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On November 02 2011 11:16 risk.nuke wrote: good luck town. We will avenge you good sir! | ||
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Reasons: 1) His posts are long when a simple reply could answer the question (disregarding his analysis post on risk). As scum he's using longer posts to try and cover all possible points that could indicate him to be Mafia. 2) The only person who would benefit from Risk's death is Toad. Now, my earlier statement on that was it could be a Mafia ploy to distract us, but that would also be immediately obvious so it could be a double trick (kill risk to get suspicion on toad, but we realize that and stop focusing on toad, and then toad is mafia so it was just a convoluted trap that could work). At this point it just gets into an infinite chain of back and forth. 3) one of his earliest posts was to tell blues to post more frequently, which could have been a way to encourage the new Blue's to help the town, or (more likely) try and make them a mafia target. Anyway, now that i'm a genuine target. As i said, my reasoning for not lynching SK was that my suspicion was not enough to risk lynching him if he's town. If Rammen was town, then we would have ended up losing two townies on day 1, leaving us with a bare majority (we would have 6 out of 10 people), which means every one of us would have to agree. The risk is that if one or two mafia make even an ok case, some town may agree with them and then we get split vote once more. I wasn't convinced enough on SK to vote for him so i didn't. This is only my first game, so maybe that's just a nooby mistake and it's usually worth it to take a chance on the lynch, but i just didn't think it was in the town's best interest to take that chance. | ||
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We still have a much larger majority, so it's still not the worst situation. Also, even if we did succeed, all it would take was 2 other indecisive townies to vote differently (or vote with mafia unwittingly), to have nothing done today. Either way i could have screwed up much worse, and i do apologize for making the noobiest mistake possible. | ||
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To go into some posts on those 3: chocolate+ Show Spoiler + - last post was about being more agressive against people who make mistakes While we should keep what risk said in mind, imo we should not hesitate to vote someone just for making a noob mistake that could very well be a scum mistake, such as asking, " detective what did you find" or something along those lines. and he has contributed next to nothing to any of the conversations. His only other notable post was to just say what everyone else said and point out that SKrammen was the prime suspect. Major point to take from this: If chocolate is Mafia, then SKrammen likely isn't. Also, as SKrammen pointed out in one of his posts, chocolate never made a case against him, but was quick to vote for him. Not once did you FoS on me, yet you preffered to vote me instead of zanfa. You also FoS'd Ciry but claim you didnt. You seem to be a bit everywhere, throwing suspicions left and right. To me, it appears like you are trying to be a bit of an instigator while saying very little of substance. You've posted nearly as little as I have done, and you say you vote me because of lack of activity? SKrammen + Show Spoiler + - His last post was to defend himself after Zanfada questioned him for poor word choice in an earlier statement If you decide to lynch me anyway, and I do flip green, there's a good chance all of the scum will be among those who are most adamant about lynching me. If I flip red, then risk and bunneh got some 'splaining to do. I.E. he only really posted under the conditions that he accused Zanfada was posting under What about you. So far, the only thing you have done is come in, instigate somthing on someone else, defend yourself when you got under pressure only to disappear again. And here you are again. He accuses Zan of only posting when under pressure, yet when the heat drops off of him and goas back to toad, he's nowhere to be seen.Hacklebeast + Show Spoiler + he's probably posted the least of anyone here, so he's either Scum, or an inactive townie. His only notable post to discussion was voting for Toad on day 1 (his vote could also have had SKrammen lynched). Now prior to choosing Toad as his target, he was trying to implicate Zanfada, and he jokingly tries to claim not to be scum because he loves ponies. ## vote toadesstern There is not a lot to go off of when trying to discern if if he's town/mafia, but there is one notable comment, he is the only person to defend chocolate, and then immediately try and turn all discussion back on Toad. It should be noted, that if hackle is mafia, then so is chocolate, as hackle would have no reason to defend chocolate if he wasn't.I think his moves have been shady since the beginning. First tries to get the important figures to revel themselves (not explicitly, but if a lurker suddenly started posting significantly after it would give mafia a good clue), then follows it up with a lot of talk about the necessity to kill lurkers. To top it off he fingers chocolate only to rescind his vote after no one else follows suit. ##unvote Toadesstern I'm unvoteing Toad, because i think i was too hasty in my judgment on him. These three above, are the most suspicious people we have, and should be the ones we put more pressure on. | ||
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You seem to leave out Chocolate despite have earlier suspicions on him? What has happened to change that. You claim i'm lurking despite that fact that i post pretty regularly, but seem to disregard the fact that chocolate hasn't posted in ~21 hours. Again i reiterate my samepoint, it's likely that if hackle is mafia, then chocolate would be also. The reciprocal isn't necessary true, as chocolate never references hackle, but we can't disregard hackles defense and chocolates even more suspicious lurking. | ||
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On November 03 2011 09:44 Chocolate wrote: Drem seems almost absolutely mafia to me. Tomorrow evening I will try to compile a list of who everyone has accused/fosd to make it easier for us to identify who the mafia are, or at least who is ignoring who. TBH drem seems suspicious because he is throwing accusations everywhere and the main people he is accusing are the ones who are after him. Yes I am very suspicious of hacklebeast, especially since he hasn't posted since the end of the last day, but I don't see much more to be suspicious of because he has only two posts of any substance. the people i've accused genuinely accused: Zanfada (not great reasoning, but it was only my first day, and he just seemed suspicious), SKrammen, YOU, hackle, and Toad. Of those 5 Toad and SK are the one's i've been constant about, and toad is the only one to make any real accusations against me. Zanfada i hold no real suspicion of anymore. You claim that i only accuse those who have accused me, but the only person that MIGHT be true for is Toad, but i had expressed suspicion of Toad before he ever accused me of anything, so you're point there is moot. You're even a hypocrite, as you are doing exactly what you accuse me of. I express doubt that you are town, and just a few hours later you show up to defend yourself from the first real accusation against you, and immediately say that i am definitely mafia. That sounds like something scum would do if they were genuinely concerned they'd be caught. | ||
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If i had changed my vote to you, and you flipped green, everyone who voted for you would have been under heavy suspicion of being scum. So that's 7 people, of which i was 1, so what reasoning would i have to block you're vote if i was mafia? I wouldn't be that much more suspicious than any of the other 6. For every towny that dies the mafia becomes stronger. If was mafia and had changed my vote to you, and i had said you were suspicious so it's not unlikely for a person to decide to agree with the majority if they had similar convictions, then why would i not vote for you to get you out of the way? The fact is, i didn't have enough conviction to accuse you as i didn't feel that you were necessarily scum. I wasn't convinced enough to take that risk. Bad townie play? possibly. Even worse mafia play? i would believe so. | ||
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Reasons: 1) most of his posts were irrelevant to discussion, and were likely there to just look like he was contributing without doing so. + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2011 08:41 Chocolate wrote: He needs to defend himself more if he wants to lose my vote, and probably others (can't say for sure). Also @risk.nuke, I was amused when I saw your reasoning behind not voting on skrammen. It seems a little hypocritical to defend someone and say nobody is defending him. But you still bring up a valid point. Here's a list of players and votes+ Show Spoiler + 1. risk.nuke Toadesstern 2. HarbingerOfDoom Skrammen 3. Toadesstern Skrammen 4. Zanfada Skrammen 5. xsksc Skrammen 6. Ciryandor Skrammen 7. hacklebeast toadesstern 8. Skrammen Chocolate 9. hyshes Zanfada 10. Drem903 Zanfada 11. IMABUNNEH Toadesstern 12. Chocolate Skrammen This post in particular is strange. He responds to people's question on his motivation for voting for SK, but his reasoning is simple "i want him to post more". That's pretty crappy reasoning considering there were plenty of people with even less posted, that had contributed just as little, and you had expressed no prior suspicion. The list is also out of place. It's just there. Why? Why write up a list if you're not going to make any comments about it. There was no reason, to write it other than useless padding (again, to build the illusion of helping) 2)Again i direct you to my earlier post, you accuse me of only posting when being attacked yet you are doing exactly that. Not only that, you're original statement didn't really have any evidence against me to begin with. 3) You really don't give any reason to vote for me other than "he accused a few other people", which is something that almost everyone here has done. You yourself said you were suspicious of several people, and never made anything of it. So how am i any worse off than you are. Also, it was only Toad that ever accused me of everything. The other people i accused never said anything about me. 4)Finally, you were gone for nearly 24h. You said you were busy all day, which isn't impossible, but a full 24 hour period is longer than a day, and i doubt you were unable to contribute anything to the thread at some point in that time interval. -you can ignore my 4th point if you want as he really could have been unable to post for an entire day, but it is equally likely that it was an excuse- | ||
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On November 03 2011 12:37 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: Drem, if you are still around, I would also like to know who are several people you think are likely to be town and why. WHo i think are town (in no particular order), and would be genuinely surprised if they weren't: Ciryandor - has been one of the main driving forces behind the SKrammen lynch. Although he was not the most active after day 1, almost everyone of his posts offered strong incite, and he provided evidence against everyone he accused. He's currently gunning for me yes, but i will admit i have not been the best at posting, and have not offered the greatest conviction. Zanfada - I was suspicious of him on day 1, but that has since changed. I was nothing more than caught off guard by his eagerness to make a vote against someone. Since them he has given well thought out statements on who he thinks are scum, and his posts don't really look like scum posts. He doesn't post a lot, but his posts have always been to try and stir conversation, and he's constant in his convicitons. HarbingerOfDoom - I had no feelings for or against you day 1. The only thing i observed was that you were one of the main proponents of the Lynch SKrammen group. Starting with day 2 though, on the other hand, you have definately been one of the most active people when it come to discussion, and are definately putting pressure on anyone who is suspicious even in the slightest. The rest of the people, other than those i have already voiced opinions on as scum, i don't really have that much of a read on. ##unvote Chocolate ##vote hyshes If hyshes is so eager to then we may as well grant him his wish. He was actively posting and trying to contibute, or at least look like he was contributing (the post accusing Ciry was out there, and Ciry is likely a major mafia target because he seems to be one of the more agressive townies). Additionally, the second a major case is brought against him he pretty much completely quits. That's either a townie who never gave a shit, or a mafia that panicked and couldn't think of a way to defend himself. | ||
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There really doesn't seem to be a lot to discuss at the moment. | ||
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On November 05 2011 11:42 sermokala wrote: ##vote Toadesstern God damm I've wanted to vote him so hard from before this game got into the teen pages. Every post that I've seen him post just oozes scum. Next skrammen dies. They've both scum or we're all dead we don't have a choice at this point before people get paranoid that I'm scum. Coul we get more information other than "oozes scum"? What makes these people more suspicious to you? | ||
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On November 05 2011 18:19 xsksc wrote: @Drem What are your current reads? Do you still hold by your day 1 decision to help block the lynch? How do you feel about Skrammen and Toad now? My current reads are still: Chocolate and SK. My reasons remain the same for chocolate as they were on day 2, and he hasn't posted since he changed his vote to Hyshes (it could be interesting to note that he does point out that mafia are among the people who voted for hyshes, as he himself did). This could be reading into things now, but he was also the last person to vote hyshes. When would be the best time for mafia to vote for a town other than towards the end to make sure that a townie was lynched, and there were not last second changes? My read on SK isn't the strongest, but Toad has at least contributed a decent amount. SK on the other hand hasn't posted that much (although we have to beware that he could also be a blue, that's trying to lay low). Even his most recent post doesn't amount to much other than a welcome for sermokala, and a hypothetical situation based on who turns up red. My read on Toad is kind of up in the air though. His posts are really long, not that that's a bad thing, but in this case his posts amount to a few points, and paragraphs of fluff that could be cut out. It would be dangerous for a mafia to post as much as he does, as he risks making a scum slip, so that's on the things that makes me tentative to declare him to be scum (it looks liek it's either him or SK). Do i hold by my decision to block the lynch? No, i'm pretty sure i said i regret doing it. in the end, we're 3 days in and we've gotten nowhere (although it is still a surprise that mafia didn't kill anyone (or they got blocked)), and i'm definitely one of the people to blame for that. | ||
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On November 07 2011 04:39 Skrammen wrote: How did I miss that... Well, I guess that answers it then, unless you got something else to add, Drem? I've also been thinking about somthing else: + Show Spoiler + His only notable post just recounts information that everyone should know (though some may not have read the thread too carefully and could've forgotten). Although i feel the need to point out, that SKrammen did call out Zanfada for being hasty to vote (even if he could later rescind the vote). If they were both scum, then it wouldn't make sense for them to call suspicion upon one another. Wouldnt it make perfect sense for us to FoS each other if we were both mafia? And wouldnt it make sense for you to put suspicion on Zanfada if you two were mafiabuddies? I know this is nothing solid nor any evidence of anything, I'd just like some input on this, because I'm not able to make up my mind about this. The activity has really dropped here the for the last few hours, and the lynch deadline is coming up fast. There's not much to really add, to that. I still think the same poeple are town as before, none of them have changed. To me it would only make sense for mafia to throw suspicion on one another if they felt confident neither of them would be lynched. In the first day, i guess it's not a big risk. Still, this could still lead to the problem where if two mafia indicate each other in an attempt to just look like they're contributing, then one of them gets looked at too closely, slips up, and gets lynched. Mafia indicating mafia, to me, should only happen after there's a strong chance for a lynch on a town, just to look like you're genuinely active. @Toad You're bolded post isn't entirely misinterpreted, but that comment was made prior to me learning that there were only 3 mafia (up until then i genuinely thought there were only 2), so pointing out that someone posted something that should be obvious is only hypocritical in hindsight. Also, the ability to change votes isn't covered in the rules posted on page 1 (or in any of the guides at a glance), so i can't see what's suspicious about asking a question about something that isn't covered. | ||
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The only really scummy thing that stood out to me was encouraging blues to post more frequently on day 1, and then being sure that we had a hero medic on night 2. But the thing is even if he was mafia, how could he know if we actually had a medic or any other blue? He really can't, so that's not really scummy at all. From there, the only other thing is that his posts have a lot of fluff, and just seem to kind of meh. They do drive discussion, but a good portion of it is discussion against him, (although it has contributed to discussion of other major suspects). So when it comes down to a vote, i guess we need to vote based on suspicion and what would give us the most information. so ##vote toadesstern some people have defended him, others have been a lot more active in accusing him. If he's red, we have a good idea who else is red, if he's green... then i guess i'm dead next since i seem to be the other prime suspect on everybody's list. | ||
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Brief explanation of Drem vote: He's been playing the newbie card really hard all game. Granted this is a newbie game, but his 'mistakes' have always had the effect of helping out scum, whether it be blocking a lynch, or spreading misinformation regarding the town/mafia balance. He also originally says he doesn't have a good reason as to why he didn't vote Skrammen, then later says he didn't because he was worried a mis-lynch would have been much worse for town than a no-lynch was. Why would he go back and change his mind on this? Because "no lynch, is better than a unsuported lynch" doesn't seem like a good reason in terms of this type of game. So i'm not going back on anything. Multiple people asked, so i expanded up on it a bit more so that they would have a satisfactory answer. It was not a good reason, but i had one. Also, how does spreading misinformation work when i was almost immediately corrected, and seemed to be the only one who made this mistake? Even then, i just said it'd be hard to get a majority, which was true until hyshes martyred himself for no reason. Also, as an aside, the thing about playing the newbie card. It was never brought up until i screwed up with he number of mafia. I still dont' get where i'm playing the newbie card, so some more info on that would actually be nice. | ||
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On November 07 2011 09:15 HarbingerOfDoom wrote: Ninja'ed by toad to some extent, but to anyone thinking Ciry and I are town, it takes all but one town vote to lynch without scum help, so ask yourselves, do you think the entire rest of town is voting Toad right now? | ||
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On November 07 2011 09:57 Chocolate wrote: Wait so why are you all lynching me? Because I went a little inactive? Hopefully my computer problems are fixed now, but that's not it. I am honestly curious as to why you all want to lynch me. If you all read sermo's post detailing why he wanted to lynch toad then it should make complete sense. well, you also never followed up on your promise: On November 03 2011 09:44 Chocolate wrote: Drem seems almost absolutely mafia to me. Tomorrow evening I will try to compile a list of who everyone has accused/fosd to make it easier for us to identify who the mafia are, or at least who is ignoring who. TBH drem seems suspicious because he is throwing accusations everywhere and the main people he is accusing are the ones who are after him. Yes I am very suspicious of hacklebeast, especially since he hasn't posted since the end of the last day, but I don't see much more to be suspicious of because he has only two posts of any substance. I know you keep saying you're having computer problems, but an excuse to not post doesn't really help anyone's case, and the only way to get information is through post analysis. If a person isn't posting, it becomes suspicious. You claim to have a reason, and in any other kind of thread where you were an active part of discussion this would be acceptable, but in this kind of thread you could also be a mafia who's trying to use any excuse to avoid posting and risking some kind of slip. | ||
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On November 07 2011 10:27 Ciryandor wrote: ## Vote Chocolate Well, we need two votes on this one, but I'm suspicious as fuck on the jumpers being Skrammen and Drem. I can still change my vote to force a lynch because it's morning here and I'm going to an SC2 tourney later after the deadline clears. Well, the options stand at Sk, Chocolate, myself, and toad. You and Har probably have the biggest influence on who gets lynched, and could probably get people on to whoever you want. I'm not really a jumper as i didn't really want to vote for toad in the first place, but i just didn't have the swing to pull people to a chocolate or SK vote, and toad was the only other person possible. If i had voted randomly for someone else and the vote had ended up a draw (not enough for either toad or myself) then i would have been even more screwed. I had already blocked the day 1 lynch, and blocking the day 3 lynch would've just gotten my killed day 4. I wouldn't be able to talk myself out of it, i would be lynched. So my only hope was to vote for toad and have him turn up mafia. I'm still in the same position. If chocolate turns out town, then i still die, but chocolate is the person that i'm most confident in. | ||
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On November 07 2011 12:21 Ciryandor wrote: I'm also praying for a good medic save, but... wait I think I fucked it up for you as well. You were pushing for Drem right? I was suspicious as fuck of him as you saw in the PBP, but wanted to have a read on Skrammen before I decided who we needed to lynch. Would we have gotten 6 on him if I voted for him? If you would have voted for me the post would have been 5 for me, 4 for toad. From there you probably could have easily had a 6th (i don't think chocolate had voted yet, or SK). | ||
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The only person other person left that i'm suspicious of is Sk so: [b]##vote Skrammen/b] | ||
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On November 09 2011 12:11 Drem903 wrote: Well, turns out Chocolate was town so.... i'm kind of at a loss. The only person other person left that i'm suspicious of is Sk so: ##vote Skrammen | ||
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##vote IMAbunneh no hard feelings. Going to accept HoD's wisdom and try to avoid a mislynch. | ||
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So of the 4 of us that are held to be the most suspicious Sermo looks like the person that everyone is going for, and i'm inclined to agree to that. Some reasons though: In his very first post he's quick to vote for toad (not unusual) and then say with confidence that SK should be next, but what's striking about this is his closing comment: . They've both scum or we're all dead we don't have a choice at this point before people get paranoid that I'm scum. It's seems random and out of place that he is immediately concerned that he'll be seen as scum. If he is scum, as we seem to believe, then he already knew that both Toad and SK were town, and that both of them were held in suspicion. reason 2: Chocolate Gets voted and then goes on a really active streak and then goes back to being a lurker. I don't want to go on a whichhunt alone but tomorrow I think we need to take a longer look at him if we don't get a mafia this time around. You say we need to look at chocolate more, you may not say that he's mafia but, you definitely push suspicion on him. You then follow up in you're very next post that the game is over because chocolate was lynched. Reason 3: Your defeatist attitude contributes nothing to the town. At least 4 posts that don't say anything more thatn "scum wins, no point in playing." What kind of town would completely quit when the game isn't completely over. We may be in deep shit, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. ##vote sermokala Some thoughts on IMABUNNEH: Bunneh is also the other person that is most likely person to be mafia. Sermo did comment on Bunneh's inactivity earlier, but half of that was saying it was because bunneh is British and he [sermo] is Belgian, and the other half is just that he bandwagons. Bunneh has always been on his list of people he's suspicious of, but he's never gone into detail why (he wouldn't want to make any good points about his partners right?). In addition, bunneh is (as of posting) refusing to do any analysis on the grounds that it is "pointless". He claims to be lazy, and he dodges the question about why he didn't post his analysis of HoD. He claims that if he was Red he would have posted it so that he could defend himself, but it's equally likely that he didn't post it because he believed HoD would be dead by the the time it would be necessary. I would go as far as to say, he never had any evidence against HoD, and only made the comment to look like he had some big thing to contribute. Some thoughts on xsksc: Votes with most other people on sermo, and had him on his scum list a few days back, so he's not exactly band wagoning. His excuse for not posting is that: a) whenever he's on there's nothing worthwhile to comment on (which is a pretty crappy reason, if you don't see anything worthwhile, shouldn't you try and come up with some kind of point? or at least make some speculations. b)He has timezone issues. I understand that he's European, but so were quite a few others, and they still managed to actively contribute. Other than that, i don't have much of a read on him. He has at least posted some reason as to why he voted for sermo (the defeatist attitude), but other than that he just hasn't contributed anythign. He also doesn't defend himself when harb votes for him saying: + Show Spoiler + 'd love to defend myself harb, but you haven't given a SINGLE reason why you voted for me. I'm really puzzled by this, if you want me lynched why wait so long in the day without giving anyone some reasons to vote for me? I'm EU so I cant be up until the deadline, are you trying to start a bandwagon on me when I won't be online to defend myself? So, he makes no effort because he doesn't see any reason? And this is after he makes a PRESSURE VOTE against me. in his vote against me, he indicates both chocolate and Sk (confirmed tow, and claimed medic), but says nothign about me. Only mentioning that i'm on his list. HoD does the same thing to xsksc (a pressure vote, he knows it won't gain much momentum) and dodges around the accusation. xsksc is a hard read, and it's hard to really identify what he is. He's the only other person that could be scum (besides myself, and assuming SK, HoD, and ciry are town). | ||
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