EPTSomething I mentioned earlier is that we could all vote for the mayor outside the voting thread and then unanimously elect that person based on whoever wins, without anybody voting a second place to deny the pardoner role. The only flaw I can see is that if there is a scum politiciain role, they will control who recieves the power. Its probably unlikely that a scum politician would be willing to connect himself with someone from his own family so I think its something we should consider.
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Something I mentioned earlier is that we could all vote for the mayor outside the voting thread and then unanimously elect that person based on whoever wins, without anybody voting a second place to deny the pardoner role. The only flaw I can see is that if there is a scum politiciain role, they will control who recieves the power. Its probably unlikely that a scum politician would be willing to connect himself with someone from his own family so I think its something we should consider. | ||
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As for the lynch, just about every person I've spoken to has brought up chaoser. I tend to agree. He has put little effort into accusing people and is running a mayor campaign based on past performance, rather than trying to prove to us that he is town. | ||
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On October 16 2011 06:45 Radfield wrote: I don't think there is a need for that. Protect said we can conditionally pardon. As in "I'll pardon if the Showtime! or vote rigger role gets used on person x, y, or z?" | ||
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http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/RVBSgWvas7N | ||
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Also, Tudors suck for shooting me night one. Did I do something to tip you guys off?  | ||
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One problem that we ran into was that the role selection told a great deal about your alignment. Obviously a bullet bill, detective, dreamflower, admiral ackbar, and Ace were all going to be viewed as town roles, where as the role swapper, bulletproof. godfather, medic were all likely mafia roles. I'm just not sure the "town cred" you get for selecting a protown role would ever outweigh the benefits of a having scum role in this setup. | ||
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On October 24 2011 07:21 wherebugsgo wrote: Tell me, other than sandro, which scum even attempted to scheme or plan to sabotage town goals? On day 0, I suggested in the thread that somebody with a midrange pick select the Framer as a form of role denial. DropBear agreed to it, yet later changed his mind. In pms, we agreed that he wouldn't claim that he wasn't taking it to discourage anyone else from selecting it. The goal was to allow us to pick up the framer at 28 without the town having any idea that it could have been selected that low. Unfortunately, sinani never submitted his pick. The alternatives weren't much better, but we managed to keep Jimbo out of office, which we felt was a slight win by denying the inventor bodyguards. I tried to paint heist and foolishness in a bad light with whoever I spoke with. I'm not sure how effective that was though, after dying night one. chaoser managed to misdirect the day one lynch. It happened to land on Node, so it wasn't exactly a scum victory, but it was switched to heist instead, things could have gone differently. | ||
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On October 24 2011 08:20 wherebugsgo wrote: This is rather off topic, but I'll just restate this again: If one of the keys needs to be private, how are you going to get the key to the other person without using a private form of communication? I can see this simply resulting in a modkill for precisely that reason. Only one person needs to know the private key. All this math talk should result in a modkill. | ||
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On October 25 2011 04:15 wherebugsgo wrote: Mafia not going for KP or vote rigging roles was rather dumb. Well from our perspective, saving one of our own would have had to be equivalent to 4-5 kp to keep the ratios the same. In a setup where survival was so important, obtaining extra kp wasn't a top priority. If we had realize the vote rigger could be used to rig the mayor election, we probably would have selected it. Otherwise, controlling the lynch isn't as powerful since for every 1 lynch kp, there is a ton more night kp to worry about. | ||
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On October 25 2011 06:17 wherebugsgo wrote: Saying you didn't know how the roles worked isn't really an excuse, since you could've just PMed Ver or Incog and asked. The fact that mafia didn't do their research on the roles is pretty clear Hmm? It wasn't an excuse, it was an oversight. Properly coordinating the picks was much more difficult than one would expect. We never knew if sinani was going to show up so that effectively limits our plans to 3 picks. Node had 1-2 posts in the quicktopic, but we never had the opportunity to discuss much with him, so he was pretty much on his own selecting America. sandroba and I spoke briefly at the beginning of the day, but we never were able to get in touch to actually coordinate picks near the end. I submitted role swapper, not quite knowing what my scumbuddies were even taking. On October 25 2011 06:17 wherebugsgo wrote: EDIT: And I don't know what exactly the defensive roles accomplish from your perspective. You KNOW you're fighting with town on getting those defensive roles. The vote altering and KP roles will be less competitive, naturally. KP and vote altering roles make your setup more flexible. You can choose who you want to kill every night and you can save yourselves from being lynched by the town/manipulate the lynch to ensure victory. To be fair, we didn't select any defensive roles, but I still think they are better than kp :p Its easy to say we should have picked vote rigger after learning it wasn't picked, but I think it was just as likely to result in a clash as a vet or medic at 23. Saving yourself from a lynch is only going to do so much. Nothing stops you from getting shot or lynched the next day. You could save somebody else, but that also just absorbs 1 kp not being potentially aimed at you. Obviously dealing with the elected dts would have been nice, but we chose to go the godfather route (unsuccessfully) | ||
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On October 26 2011 04:38 Ver wrote: Frankly, the town made itself wide open to manipulation with that awful idea of a public irc channel. Yet no mafia took advantage of this to plant their own ideas or make others look guilty. Obviously if every mafia family was plotting and trying to influence everyone else much of it would cancel each other out. Yet at the same time, that would create an atmosphere of chaos and uncertainty where it would be much harder for the town (and mafia to a lesser degree) to figure things out. With 8 oppossing scum, I think there was a fine line with how much you could push others to look bad. Whenever you attempt to influence someone by making a player look guilty, you have to worry if you are presenting a case against that person's scum buddy. If you try to push a dt check or a vig shot on the wrong person, you could wake up the next day being shot as a threat. Ideally you would be trying to manipulate town, but with nearly half the game comprised of scum it becomes more difficult. Of the established town circles, they were difficult to infiltrate without some type of proof that you selected an information role or something that was extremely pro-town. I spoke with Radfield, Mig, and syllo on about 15 different occassions up to an hour before the lynch thinking chaoser would be lynched, only to find out in the day post that Node was the target. | ||
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On October 27 2011 03:46 sandroba wrote: I had little to no impact late game and I honestly don't know how I could have done better, given the situation I put myself in. Happy Birthday sandroba! :D | ||
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