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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
September 28 2011 11:31 GMT
#18
/in
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 01 2011 20:48 GMT
#80
It's about time we had more Uzbekistani players.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 11 2011 18:09 GMT
#190
On October 12 2011 02:56 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2011 01:22 GMarshal wrote:
On October 12 2011 01:16 DropBear wrote:
On October 11 2011 23:05 GMarshal wrote:
On October 11 2011 22:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
On October 11 2011 15:17 DropBear wrote:
did I say replacement? I meant
/in

Do you have to be a mafioso to pick mafia roles like framer and roleblocker?


Lol DB why would town want a framer?

To deny it to mafia. Denying mafia strong roles is a viable way to make your picks. Kenpachi did this in PYP:3, where he picked GF to keep it out of the hands of the mafia.

Same deal here, don't want a pesky assassin killing off town roles? Pick it. Don't want the roleblocker bothering townies? Take it. Want DTs to be more reliable? Pick framer.


I don't want framer I want roleblocker :D

It's my favourite role. Noone steal it I'm so claiming it!

I can see it now, DB in the number 1 spot, "huh, I could pick Jack, or Inventor, or Assassin (which is INCREDIBLE, I will be higly dissapointed if it is not taken in the top 5 spots), or Rock Star... nah, roleblocker! "

This is actually quite likely, I would take roleblocker over those 4

And bugs if I did get framer I would immediately frame kitaman27. Actually, there's a lot of roles I'd use on him come to think of it. Maybe I should choose America...


Good luck getting past my bodyguards, meth lab, and NRA membership!
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 12 2011 03:55 GMT
#229
I'm thinking the defensive roles are going to especially powerful in this setup. The three mafia factions will likely be throwing kp at each other, so it is in town's best interest to minimize the damage done to our numbers and avoid getting caught up in the crossfire.

With only 1 kp a piece, the NRA Member becomes incredibly powerful in scum hands. If you're town, remember to send in your actions last :p

kp roles may not be as important, but I do think there is value in the Ace role. Essentially everyone can be forced to claim that they are town in the thread and the role becomes the Dreamflower role, without the penalty of death if you are incorrect.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 12 2011 04:56 GMT
#231
As an aside, please try to save any pm logs you have with anyone during the course of the game.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 12 2011 14:46 GMT
#266
One problem with "accountability" guidelines from previous PYP games has been that a scum will draft a defensive role near the top and then bury the power role near the bottom of the draft, where its identity is hidden. For example, if a scum team ended up with picks 3 and 23, the third player could select Vet, while the 23rd player grabs theif and steals the inventor. Then the third player could completely deny taking the theif or claim that he stole the inventor role in an attempt to protect it from being night hit and we're left in a sticky situation.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 12 2011 15:30 GMT
#272
On October 13 2011 00:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Woot let's do this.

Radfield, what do you think about having the top five picks publicly claim their roles? It does open them to the BC role but at the same time we have absolute acountability and we have clear medic options. It would be pretty simple to organize the medics (i.e. if you're pick 5-8 you protect pick one, 9-11 you protect pick two). I'm worried atm that we'll get strong roles only to have them immidiately killed off. Think about it, if all three mafia teams shoot into the top, we could have just lost our inventor, jack, and town alligned assassin. Getting the top picks is great but we need some way to protect them otherwise it's pretty useless.


I think the top roles should remain secret. We don't want the scum to be comfortable shooting into the top three, knowing they aren't going to hit a meth man or defensive role. Medics should know enough to protect the people worth protecting and having the power roles claim isn't exactly going to discourage scum from shooting. If we get to a point where an inventor invents an anti-town death ray of doom, rather than a list check, then claiming might be necessary, but until then I don't really see the advantage of it.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 12 2011 17:36 GMT
#296
On October 12 2011 19:15 Radfield wrote:
CPR Doctor: In a normal PYP set-up, this is an essential role to block, as it adds immensely to mafia kill power. However, in this set-up it is much less scary to town. First, there is a chance that any shot will kill mafia instead of town(~33%). Second, there is a chance that the CPR doc will actually SAVE someone. With likely 4 or 5 KP per night the CPR doc will get progressively more likely to start making saves. Combine that with the fact that separate mafia factions will be trying to kill the same strong townies, and the chance for a save climbs even higher. NOT WORTHY OF A PICK


I'm not sure I understand this logic. You argue that a shot may kill mafia, instead of town, but how is that any different from any of the other kp roles? Just becaues the scum have the ability to shoot each other, doesn't mean we want to provide them the opportunity to double their kp. Sure, there is a chance that mafia shots overlap and result in a save, but what makes you think the scum team won't go for the power roles with their normal shot and the CPR shot into the lower ranks? I think the role is far too powerful to straight out tell people not to pick it.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 12 2011 18:48 GMT
#311
On October 12 2011 19:15 Radfield wrote:
First off, by 'not worthy of a pick' I meant that we don't need to assign a slot to keep the role accountable. Not that no townie should ever pick it. Lets assume you knew this though.


Well by not including it in your tier list or "top 28 town roles" list, you're essentially suggesting that it doesn't have much value. I'm saying I still think its one of the most powerful roles and if we're going to have a town priority list, it needs to be present.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 12 2011 20:11 GMT
#325
Draft pick orders are public?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 12 2011 20:12 GMT
#327
Yep.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 12 2011 21:17 GMT
#336
On October 13 2011 06:08 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Or we could choose to elect the inventor, thus making him immune to attack?


I like that idea, although it gives an incredible amount of power to a single player and prevents anybody from role checking him.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 12 2011 22:19 GMT
#351
For those you might have missed it, the quakenet channel we are using is #pypi

The more the merrier
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 12 2011 22:49 GMT
#356
We really should finalize a plan (or lack of plan) that everyone is willing to agree to before the draft order is released tonight. Any planning after that is subject to a great amount of manipulation.

Does everyone seem to agree with assigning the top three roles, while giving freedom to the lower ranks to focus on protective/investigative roles?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 13 2011 00:03 GMT
#365
wherebugsgo is scum for trying to hide his identity in IRC.

Last game I suggested we RNG the draft order and numbers, but everyone clearly was incapable of seeing the value in my awesome ideas.

Introducing flawless draft plan 2.0!

Everybody submits [1][1] and we let the hosts RNG the draft order! This completely removes the mafia advantage of avoiding clashes. Sure, we would have to use the honor system to make sure nobody cheats, but this seems like a pretty trustworthy bunch!
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 13 2011 00:03 GMT
#366
On October 13 2011 09:02 Foolishness wrote:
As I have many duties to attend to, if anyone cares what I think they can reach me via the PM button.

Also that public irc is a big waste of time and accomplishes nothing.


Foolishness knows better than to submit himself to a real time chat with town.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 13 2011 10:59 GMT
#421
[9][1]
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 13 2011 14:13 GMT
#430
Someone in the mid to high range might want to consider picking Framer as an honesty check and to discourage anyone from picking it late in the draft.

With all the lynch dodging abilitites (hero, vet, vote rigger, Showtime!) the Qatol ability might be pretty useful for town to ban the person who is about to get lynched to increase the odds that it goes through. Considering there will be so many mafia information checks, it will also let us remove a scum power if we are unable to lynch everybody during the day.
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 13 2011 14:18 GMT
#431
Can the Qatol role ban the powers of the pardoner?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 13 2011 17:21 GMT
#444
It was already mentioned that a framer can't redirect a mafia kp. Unless there is an extremely unlikly situation where there is a claimed scum CPR doc whose kill we want to redirect, it certainly isn't worth masking someones alignment.
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