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Cyber_Cheese
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On October 14 2011 00:50 hiro protagonist wrote: Your gonna find yourself a early lynch if you keep that spam up JACCUZIPLAT. Early modkill* people were warned earlier in the thread | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269956¤tpage=19#371 | ||
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On October 14 2011 02:50 Protactinium wrote: Mayor and Pardoner are not considered roles, they are considered elected offices. So yes, the Qatol role can ban the Pardoner/Mayor, but it would only remove the powers given to them by their role (the one they picked). They would still retain their mayor/pardoner powers. There are 4 parties. Framer can make his target look like any one of them  I think he meant 5th party. From your answer, is it safe to assume framing as 5th party isn't possible? | ||
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On October 14 2011 03:02 wherebugsgo wrote: Wtf would be the point of that? There are no factions other than the town faction and the 3 scum factions, right? The alignment setup isn't closed. There is no point, I just want to see the answer now he's brought it up. | ||
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On October 14 2011 05:05 wherebugsgo wrote: If a framer redirects someone into another person, does that mean that the target is actually redirected, or that it simply APPEARS that the target is redirected? i.e. if a vanilla townie were redirected to an NRA member by a framer, would that vanilla townie then die or would it simply appear to a tracker that the vanilla townie visited the NRA member that night? In addition, you may also choose to have your framed target visit anyone you choose. Any actions they perform will also be misdirected. The action(s) are performed so it sounds like a safe assumption that all roles are forced to visit | ||
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On October 14 2011 05:56 bumatlarge wrote: I'm awfully suspicious of anyone making assumptions on role picks without considering the 3 scum teams which drastically changes things. For instance, KP roles are much more reliable and therefore stronger, while non-self defensive roles might actually be better for mafia. Both doctor and medic allow one member to really scum-hunt with everone's help and they will most likely not die. Self defensive roles might be the best genre of role, for both town and mafia. One great aspect is that opposing scum teams will probably overlap roles that mafia would normally take for free if town didn't actively deny it. Mafia won't be wasting time denying town roles at this point so I think grabbing these roles assures we will get a better assortment then any one scum team. + Show Spoiler + Ace - Lie is the big word here America - Spotlight role, causes confusion most of the time but puts a focus on America from all factions. Assassin - Because you can't name GREEN, I think it's much better for town, as it has a safeguard if they repeatedly name RED. A less restricted CV role is better for scum. Bad Santa - With more inherent KP, I think this is pretty good information grab for town that doesn't necessarily need to be used, while for mafia, it's maybe 1 kill or just some info that's more easily attainable with other roles. Bullet Bill - Great town role, and I don't see mafia's use for this. Day Vigilante - similar to america, spotlight and such. Detective - alignment is useless to mafia, while this will be more sought after then other role finders Dreamflower - Town will risk killing themselves instead of another townie, mafia will not :D NKVD Agent - alignment no role Parity Cop - alignment no role Puppeteer - A strong scumhunter at the bottom of the list could make good use of this, and I believe you can PM the smurf? Tracker - Information Watcher - Information These roles I feel a scum team has much less use for then town does. If you are town and not sure what to pick, I suggest picking one of these roles, as they help town by nature, or are useless or spotlight driven to mafia. It can be argued that mafia could take one of these roles to appear pro-town, but between having to prove themselves to us and not getting nailed by enemy scum requires a lot of work that could easily collapse. I feel like we are much to vigilant for this sort of thing to slip by us. I think I know what I'm talking about here because I have tried it many times as scum  I wouldn't attempt it in this set-up. Of that list, I disagree with a couple of points- Assassin can kill by role, and has some good synergies with things like extractor/NKVD, I don't think it belongs on a pro-town list despite it's drawbacks. A scum team that could manipulate town gains a huge advantage over it's rivals, so we shouldn't rule out the possibilty of information roles being taken even if they don't benefit scum directly. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
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The draft order thing is because if the person is scum, they are less likely to have a top tier role, and therefore can't abuse their power to the same extent. Any candidates seeking my vote should provide this information | ||
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On October 14 2011 14:21 syllogism wrote: Platforms are irrelevant. Plans are irrelevant. What you say you are going to do with the lynch or pardons is irrelevant. All that matters is denying the positions from scum. I disagree. We don't know which people are scum, and the more information you have on the candidates, the more informed your vote can be. As such, plans/platforms/foreseen actions are important. It also gives scum candidates more chance to slip up. And even if it was a vote between townies only, one will be a better choice than the others. | ||
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If you were on that list, please publicly state two things for me. The first being who you would lynch right now and why, and the second is if you could choose mayor and pardoner now, excluding yourself, who would they be and why? | ||
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On October 14 2011 13:32 Cyber_Cheese wrote: I'm going to prioritize my vote based on who the mayor will lynch day 1, and the candidates position in the draft order (Alongside filtering out people who seem scummy of course). The draft order thing is because if the person is scum, they are less likely to have a top tier role, and therefore can't abuse their power to the same extent. Any candidates seeking my vote should provide this information On October 15 2011 05:47 Cyber_Cheese wrote: At this point in time, my top three likely votes are for wiggles/radfield/jimbo. If you were on that list, please publicly state two things for me. The first being who you would lynch right now and why, and the second is if you could choose mayor and pardoner now, excluding yourself, who would they be and why? As for mayor. It's still between wiggles/radfield/jimbo, leaning on wiggles because he's the only one to have answered to both of these posts in the thread, and against jimbo because of his high spot in the drafting. | ||
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I think someone we see as the best choice should come second and be pardoner, and I think greymist can secure enough votes to do that, and out of the others wiggles is my second preference. | ||
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On October 16 2011 04:36 wherebugsgo wrote: What the fuuuck This makes no sense whatsoever to me That's because you took it out of context, he was talking about candidates using it as a reason, myself included. That said, I think he's right, Radfield seems like a good person to vote for. A large part of why I was voting Wiggles instead of Radfield is Radfield's excellent scum play. That said, I will be voting Radfield. | ||
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On October 16 2011 12:49 Curu wrote: Since when does England have coffee Late 16th century I believe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_coffee#England | ||
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On October 16 2011 16:47 syllogism wrote: If there are any guns out there that require targets, contact me or mig please Controlling blues AND role fishing, all in one! GENIOUS! | ||
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On October 16 2011 21:40 Radfield wrote: If you are a weak doctor, you need to either telegraph who you are protecting, or outright tell someone(at like 1-2 minutes before the deadline). Telegraphing is preferable however. This applies to every role that has any chance of giving us information. Things like Hider/any DT's/weak medic should be breadcrumbing. There's a few kp roles, perhaps we should discuss the merits of them breadcrumbing too, kind of like telegraphing kills so other people can't claim them later. Unfortunatey, I'm not around for the next ~8 hours so I'm going to post this now: On October 16 2011 16:47 syllogism wrote: If there are any guns out there that require targets, contact me or mig please I contacted him, this is blatant role fishing. + Show Spoiler [IRC Chat] + Session Start: Sun Oct 16 17:37:13 2011 Session Ident: syllogism [17:37] <mudkips_> targets? [17:40] Session Ident: syllogism (QuakeNet, mudkips_) (syllogism@88-148-181-130.bb.dnainternet.fi) [17:40] <syllogism> i forgot, who are you [17:40] <mudkips_> cheese [17:40] <Cyber_Cheese> nick wasnt working last night [17:42] <syllogism> sec [17:42] <syllogism> which kp role are you [17:44] <Cyber_Cheese> im not role claiming [17:44] <syllogism> you already did claim a kp role [17:44] <Cyber_Cheese> did i? [17:45] <Cyber_Cheese> at any rate, are you going to give me your suggested targets or not? Session Close: Sun Oct 16 19:27:45 2011 There was no reply after that, Its been over 9 hours now. | ||
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On October 17 2011 04:21 Arctocod wrote: you're a moron cheese Thanks, that completely explains all the issues with what I had to say, I'm glad your trying to encourage me to contribute :/ | ||
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On October 17 2011 04:30 Arctocod wrote: If all you're going to contribute is trying to point out something that you want to be considered "scumtell" then I'd rather you just shut up. Role-fishing is not a scumtell in itself, it's only if it's done in a scummy way that it isn't. You're trying to paint syllogism scum because you're not thinking. This either makes you dumb or scum, and in both cases I actually don't mind you just shutting up. Are you scum? What exactly is your idea of a difference between scummy and non-scummy rolefishing? | ||
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On October 17 2011 04:37 Arctocod wrote: If scum tries to rolefish it's scummy But syllo isn't scum, he's just an asshole. There's a difference. I don't see it. | ||
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