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jcarlsoniv
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On September 22 2011 09:29 kitaman27 wrote: Now that jcarl has signed up, I'm sure this game will fill up in no time. inorite | ||
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On September 22 2011 23:22 Nisani201 wrote: Who is jcarl? Just some really cool kid. I started playing ~a year ago. Played for like 4 or 5 months, and then took a long break. Trying to get back into it =) | ||
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On September 27 2011 02:25 NotChezinu wrote: I am schrodinger's player. When my role PM is sent out I will not read it, and in that way be both town and not town at the same time. I will then observe my behavior and try to figure out my alignment, when I think I have enough data I will corroborate it with my role PM. This game is going to be fun, when can I expect schrodinger's PM to arrive in my inbox? It's funny, I was thinking about what it would be like to do that the other day haha | ||
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On September 27 2011 11:05 kitaman27 wrote: You got the pm with the role list, right? mehbeh | ||
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On September 28 2011 01:36 DropBear wrote: Lol I'm not a veteran dude I'm nooby as it gets haha challenge accepted | ||
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On September 28 2011 02:55 Nisani201 wrote: WOAH THAT IS CRAZY COOL! I had no idea you could do that! Me neither :3 | ||
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On September 28 2011 03:50 supersoft wrote: ##Vote Palmar Palmar not flooding the thread seems suspicious to me I think he got mad at us in LOTR mafia and punched his computer :3 | ||
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On September 28 2011 04:07 Nisani201 wrote: Also, can someone explain the ##Vote: Palmar thing? Does it have to do with LOTR mafia? Highly doubt it. My experience with him is from LOTR, but Curu is hosting that one, so I think that would classify as conflict of interest  | ||
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I notice strange things shown. Sinani, Nisani, what is this? Mind = Blown | ||
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This noobie scurred by vets. I generally hold my vote and determine what is best. | ||
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On September 28 2011 18:39 prplhz wrote: @Forumite what the fuck? I blame Chez. He wanted a musical... | ||
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On September 28 2011 11:22 sinani206 wrote: /confirm. Apparently I'm starting mute, so I won't be able to talk in PMs, IRC, skype, gtalk, etc. Also I won't be around for day/night posts except on weekends, and even then it will be hard. Getting that out of the way, random voting is a viable way to start, but not if everyone votes for the same person. I think that we should all calm down and unvote now and allow discussion to proceed. Looking through the role list, there isn't a role that starts mute except for Blu Sniper. And if you're hinting that you are Blu Sniper, I'll probably cry. The role list says not all roles are guaranteed to be in the game, but is it possible for there to be roles that aren't on the list? | ||
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On September 29 2011 01:05 NotChezinu wrote: You seem to have vaster knowledge than the rest of us mortals. How are you aware of the presence of 4.5 KP? You know the mafia has 2.5kp? The presence of a medic is a certainty? Truly you are wise. Or perhaps foolish, I'll leave that up to observation. Also let the record show that jcarlsoniv is probably mafia, so if I'm on your team jcarlsoniv I would appreciate an informative PM informing me. I am? Interesting. But then...if I were mafia, and you were on my team, wouldn't that also make you mafia? O_o | ||
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On September 28 2011 22:56 tnkted wrote: I disagree, I think we SHOULD know who is muted. There are going to be enough muted players anyway that if the mafia shoots into them, they'll have a small chance of hitting someone town, and if they do, its guarrenteed to be a person who isn't being an active townie behind the scenes, pming away, with a smaller chance of someone who is useful to town. Will mafia take that gamble? No, they're going to kill the town organizer, because an organized town is much more scary than a single vig. So I'm going to PM everybody and see who responds. I'll post the results tmrw when I get back to the internet If you don't want people to know if you're mute or not, don't respond, but I encourage you to do so. More info for town = better town play. One thing about publicly revealing who is mute and who is not, is that the fewer people that scum knows are mute, the easier it would be to hit the Blu sniper, just by sheer probability. I'm not sure how many people would start the game mute (sinani has claimed it so far). | ||
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On September 29 2011 01:18 NotChezinu wrote: It would, which is why I would appreciate you telling me if I am on your team! I need some outside data before I can observe my role PM! Quantum uncertanty is hard. Oh of course! Silly me, I forgot you were playing Schrodinger's Role. Although I don't think I could help you much. I don't know anything about quantum uncertainty, I'm just a lowly math major! | ||
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On September 29 2011 02:07 wherebugsgo wrote: Forumite is retarded/scum, tnkted is scum. Trying to discredit Mig when he thinks watcher can't catch scum LOL I'm fine with either a Forumite or tnkted lynch today. What makes you think tnkted is scum? | ||
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On September 29 2011 06:12 Palmar wrote: I agree with Mig btw. But I don't think WBG is scum either, just have a quick look at the way he's posting. I don't think he's actually played scum, but this looks much more like his overconfident in your face town play. Both being wrong and being aggressive fit his meta perfectly. that being said: ##Vote Jackal58 I don't really understand this vote... It's one of my least favorite things in these games for people to just vote others without reason. On September 29 2011 05:10 prplhz wrote: so PM land is baller and all but you know, there are mute people around, townies too. and those guys can't really talk in PMs or talk about what's happening in (most) PMs and it's cool and all that you're hanging out in PM land but people need to post here too. 14 pages after one day, this is hands down the slowest mafia game ever. i think it was batman mafia where we were at 60 pages after one day or something like that, and WaW2 too but that was different. PM land is cool but post here too i don't like tnkted's plan but it's the only thing there is to talk about. dunno if towns should keep accepting shitty plans in the beginning of the game just for the sake of something to talk about. Mig's logic is sound but that's pretty boring. also, Palmar actually is scum this time Isn't PM land more beneficial for town? I think this is only my 2nd or 3rd PM game, so correct me if I'm wrong. Since scum already starts with quite a bit more info than town does, isn't it better to use PM land the best we can? Obviously things need to be posted in the thread, but if people can use their discretion with one person instead of having to say it publicly, isn't that better? | ||
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This seems to resemble the yelling between Ace and WBG in Resurrection. They both turned out to be town... | ||
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On September 29 2011 11:17 Nisani201 wrote: I have yet to see anything scummy in Jackal's play. On the other hand, we have WBG OMGUSing, while mirroring his play from MLP mafia. You guys make this too easy. I know where I'm placing my vote. ##Vote: wherebugsgo WBG actually raises some valid points. But it still seems too much like townies arguing with each other to want to put my vote on either one. | ||
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On September 30 2011 01:43 Forumite wrote: Does this mean you agree with Curu and Mig that Palmar is scum? I think it is a very strong possibility, yes. Palmar's arguments have been almost entirely based on meta. And Mig caught him completely ignoring games that were more recent in order to get his point across. | ||
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On September 30 2011 03:35 Curu wrote: I don't want to be a dick to the mods but their posts on the previous page pretty much confirm that Palmar is scum. If he was a Townie making a legitimate mistake the hosts would not have said anything at all but since it was a mistake on their part (prolly colouring the Mafia PMs red while leaving the rest black) they had to step in and post something. The only concern I had was if certain power roles were coloured and Palmar had one of those but he confirmed to me in Skype that his PM was black (actually he said it was blue first, then read my post, then changed it to black lol). Agreed. The way I read kita's post was like "scum know what the town PMs look like, so Palmar would be able to justify a claim" or something like that. | ||
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On September 30 2011 20:12 Forumite wrote: WBG directing checks is very pro-Scum, since there´s a framer in the scumteam. Forumite, you just shat on your credibility. You fake claim sniper, cause a whole ruckus, and then ask for medic protection? Why would a medic want to protect you? Are you trying to pull the medics away from town's high priority members so that a shot can actually go through? If you were town, I can somewhat understand your reasoning behind it, but still... Due to you and Jackal, now scum has an easier chance of hittin/RBing the sniper because they now know 2 players who they don't want to hit -_- | ||
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On October 01 2011 03:23 wherebugsgo wrote: Wtf you state this like a matter of fact. No doubt at all. You the framer, Forumite? Sorry about the double, I missed this earlier. Well the framer is the GF. In every game I've played with a GF on the role list, there has been a GF. You have any reason to believe there wouldn't be a GF WBG? | ||
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Why are you asking me this? In XLIV the GF was listed as a role and didn't appear on the scumteam. This is exactly why I was asking. As I said, I've never had a game where the GF was listed and not been in the game, so I wanted to know if it ever happened. | ||
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On October 01 2011 07:06 Mig wrote: Lynch Incognito Well that was fast. You all keep saying that Incog is a very good player. Since prpl was the one accusing Incog the most, would Incog push for a prpl kill? This would create a situation like we have now: people looking at who prpl was accusing. I know it's a bit of WIFOM, but if Incog is as experienced as all of you are saying, it seems that this would be something he would want to avoid. | ||
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I'm noticing how there really aren't any cases for different lynch candidates. This makes it seem like mafia is perfectly content with letting Incog get lynched. I want to read a little more and see if I can find something useful. | ||
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On October 02 2011 09:36 Curu wrote: The thing I find fishy is Incog asked all these people to PM Erandorr but if he had PMed Erandorr himself it would have been apparently he is mute. He also PMd me to talk to Erandorr. I asked him about it, he said he was also trying to PM Erandorr. | ||
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Incog's play this game has been far from his town play. ##vote Incognito | ||
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On October 05 2011 03:10 DropBear wrote: If this is for real can you shoot Sevryn already. Nothing has changed regarding him, still avoided the Palmar issue entirely, still was on teh Curu bandwagon, still needs to go. Eh, I disagree. I was looking through his posts and got more of a townie vibe from him. Also, I'm surprised no one protected Mig last night. And sorry for Curu modkill =/ I know I didn't post yesterday, was a long day for me. But I was reading, just wasn't able to post. | ||
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On October 05 2011 03:39 Erandorr wrote: Who would you like to go for today? You must have at least one read, correct ? I'm suspicious of risk.nuke right now. I don't know what to think of NC for now. It was said that he has used emotional sympathy as scum before. And his case against Curu was extremely convoluted. It was used to try and save Incog, although they were both town. | ||
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On October 02 2011 00:52 risk.nuke wrote: I don't know what is going on in Pm-land That said, here is what I currently think, --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kill Incognito The fact that incogs last post was 15 minutes before prplhz got killed I'm 100% sure he's scum. Suspicious people wherebugsgo I have been suspicious at wbg for a long time. + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 20:47 risk.nuke wrote: If I was going to suspect anyone of beeing gf it would be wbg. Going through his posting, He's definitely trying to create chaos amongst town, and he's agressive enough to think that if he got checked he would come up townie. Altough he cleaverly never straight out defended Palmar the more I look through his posts the more I think he's scum. + Show Spoiler + On September 29 2011 10:02 wherebugsgo wrote: Also Jackal, since you think I'm scum why is your vote still on Palmar? You know, that shitty start of the game vote that you have yet to change, or, hell, even put in the voting thread? Fakevote much? Don't have any scumreads? Don't intend to contribute? + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 02:05 wherebugsgo wrote: Palmar looks scummy despite alignment so blah. He's made sense this game to me. Thus, I still prefer Jackal. If anyone knows something I don't please let me know. He tries to steal the heat from Palmar thinking that after he got a palmar voter to vote for him instead, he could play the suspicious saint and probably get the town on his side leading to the voters eventually voting for someone else. + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 04:34 wherebugsgo wrote: Sounds like you sheeped and didn't look into any of this yourself. You basically just admitted to voting Palmar solely because of other people's reasons. Did you question those reasons? Why are you so quick to believe them? If Palmar is scum you're scum too. He tries to create some other suspicious people based on shit and nothing just to create more chaos and distrust. He's case on Furumite started building when he realised Palmer was going down and he wanted to try and frame someone with it. The only thing wbg has on his plus side is he has been hammering Incognito which he has been doing since the start. If Incognito flips blue wbg is most likely scum. If he flips red This doesn't rule wbg out (see spoiler), might be a longshot but It wouldn't be the first time. *This is HYPOTHETICALLY and IF Incognitos flips red + Show Spoiler + Wbg started of attacking incognito to give the townies the feeling that those two can not possibly be together. Despite actually going on him like a berserker wbg doesn't give any solid arguments for why incognito was mafia. Possibly expecting veterans to ignore it because of the lack of arguments and still giving achieving the goal giving townies the feeeling of distrust between wbg and incognito. He was probably hoping incognitos last plan would save Incognito, when it backfired wbg realise they have to give incognito up tnkted Short time after my post against wbg, he posts this + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 23:28 tnkted wrote: WBG is town. I bring this information from PM land. Plz don't shoot him. On September 30 2011 23:34 tnkted wrote: PM me for questions, back to class I'm a bit puzzled to why I should let a suspicous person be, and since he asked me to. I pm tnktd and ask him why I should drop wbg. In his reply I got no answer from tnktd. I don't understand why he would not tell me why wbg is not mafia since he seems to know that for certainty. As said earlier the first priority of all townies should be to establish their innocence so why? (it's before the first night is over so roles should be irrelevant. Instead he attempts to swing the conversation into me giving him my scumreads. I don't answer while thinking about what to read out of it and what to reply. Shortly after I get another pm, this time from wbg asking the same thing. Me and wbg haven't had any prior private contact and I get scumchills all up my spine. Other notes I don't think Curu is scum but the only person I would consider safe is Mig The person to pm me before speaking in irc was dropbear. In this post, the people he tags as scum have flipped town. Only person yet to flip is WBG, but WBG's play this game looks like his town play, so I'm very inclined to believe WBG is town as well. ##vote risk.nuke | ||
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On October 05 2011 04:05 Erandorr wrote: Thanks for your read  Is your whole argument that he was wrong with everything he said? And from your point of view he would be the most certain to flip scum today, yes? Do you have anything on Dropbear, Sevryn and Forumite?At this point, yes, he is probably the most likely to flip scum. Drop has been tunneling on Sev all game, but I'm leaning town on Sev. Usually when I see this happen it's town tunneling town. Definitely not definitive though. Still wary of Forumite. | ||
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On October 06 2011 01:41 Erandorr wrote: No. How about we catch some real scum? Let us talk about Jcarl. Firstly, look at his tone and this lovely poem : Why would you underline that you are bad at this game already? there really is no need to unless you want to make sure that no one takes you seriously and as we all now, Scum loooove to do that. Also notice that he does not have any reason to post , really , since there are so many lurkers in the game. Because it fit with the poem? That whole part of the thread is all pretty troll-y. Also, this is the first time I've seen people like Incog, Mig, and NC (who I thought was Chez, but him being GM didn't change this fact). These are all names I've heard are very good at this game whom I have never seen play first hand. This was by no means an attempt to reduce my credibility. I'm not sure what the problem of stating a fact was. I had a legitimate question, and I was open to being corrected. This is how people learn. or here : This is about as noncommittal as you can get He does not want to give us strong reads because he is scum and wants to hide as much as he can. You want me to commit to something that was pure speculation? If you read the logs that WBG has given you, you'll see I talk about my strong reads. WBG and I had rather in depth conversations. Let us compare this to a post from a week ago in LOTR where he was town Look at the agressive manner in which he is calling palmar out. Also feel free to look at his posts in general and see just how much he is actually doing there. He is strong, confident and not afraid to give his opinion. Here he just lurks. And look what he says there. He hates lurkers, they ruin the game What does he do this game? He lurks I was very frustrated at that point with Palmar, which is why I was getting very aggressive with him. You say to look at my past play. I have a history of wrongly accusing town. My early game play is weak. It is something I'm trying to work on, and I'm trying to be more selective. I have been a thread lurker this game, I even admit it to WBG. I have been active out of the thread though. This is one downside I see to PM games. I have read the thread every day, and I am active outside the thread, so I don't feel like a lurker, and I don't post. Again, something to work on. Incog got suspicious of both Jcarl and me for the timing of our votes on Palmar. His was even worse than mine. He jumped on the wagon at a very convinient time, not having said anything about the lynch beforehand at the typical "Lets bus this guy " time(3rd or 4th vote) Really? That's odd. From these two posts from Incog, he seems to think that YOU are more suspicious than I am. + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2011 06:21 Incognito wrote: Here we go again with the baseless assumptions. Stop using throwing the word "meta" around. Townies are wrong all the time so this should NOT be a consideration for this lynch. This Palmar lynch is quite interesting right now, although this is nowhere near a "strong case". I am disturbed by the fact that nobody seems to be defending him in thread, (except perhaps wherebugsgo, underhandedly, and Forumite earlier) or is trying to derail the lynch. The most interesting thing about Palmar is that he doesn't defend himself at all and just claims alignment cop. The other thing is completely ignoring jackal and switching to Curu AFTER I said that the WBG and Jackal lynches are bad. With that said, there are definitely reasons to see why Palmar is town. Since this is quite an uncontested lynch, I'm going to be looking out for those lurkers who jumped on the wagon in the middle section. Erandorr and jcarlsoniv come to mind. ##Vote Erandorr for this post: Someone please tell me why Erandorr would pop up and pick on DropBear while voting Palmar in the same post. Palmar is also known for being scummy when town. + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2011 04:16 Incognito wrote: I'm not being a hypocrite. If you see my play, it obviously has an agenda behind it. Maybe its not the most transparent agenda, but unlike all you guys spamming up the thread and pointing fingers at the same 8 people who keep posting, I'm trying to figure stuff out. If someone can tell me where these players have been and why they are being ignored, please let me know: sinani Nisani risk.nuke jcarl erandorr NotChezinu Lucidity Kenpachi DropBear supersoft sevryn It should be fairly obvious that the mafia the mafia were weak and disorganized day 1, as they couldn't stop the fast Palmar lynch. This means that the mafia are most likely in the pool of less active posters. Take a look at the latest vote count: Palmar Curu* supersoft Mig* jcarlsoniv Erandorr <-- error in vote count Forumite Jackal58 prplhz risk.nuke Starred players are the ones who instigated the list. Palmar was lynched with relatively few voters, but because the vote was split among so many candidates, it was pretty safe to say that by the 4th or 5th vote, this was a sealed deal (the next highest lynch candidate had 2 votes). Looking at the placement of jackal and prplhz as two confirmed town on the end of the list, I'm going to go out and say that mafia weren't really around for this lynch. It doesn't make sense for mafia to jump on as early as jcarlsoniv, and maybe even Erandorr. Although weaker since jackal/prplhz are town, risk.nuke/Forumite look quite suspicious here. I'll wait for some of my PMs to come back but I'm looking hard at them right now. Either way, back to wbg's point, even if I've been a hypocrite, how does that make me mafia? He is seriously blowing my scumminess out of proportion. He accuses me of not being openly useful and thus not having a pro-town agenda. It should be fairly obvious that unlike some of the people who are jumping on the easy votes (the votes on wherebugsgo/me), I'm actually trying to dig deeper. Anyone who has been in PM contact with me should be able to tell that I actually am trying to figure stuff out and that I actually care about the town. My posts are not fluff, they show that I am genuinely contributing to the game. I haven't seen a serious analysis from anyone this game, except for Mig. Gonna look seriously into the pool of inactives, especialy risk.nuke/Forumite, as I'm not convinced right now that any of the same 8 active posters are mafia. It's convenient to leave out little things like that, eh? He tried to softly defend incognito, but caved in after talking to mig. That does not sound like him trying to have doubts, thats him trying to get some towncred on the way. Did I not straight up defend Incog? That was a soft defense? I straight up said that I didn't think that this would be Incog's scum play, and that I thought it highly unlikely that he was scum. This was the beginning of the day of Incog's lynch. I then spoke with Mig because I needed to talk about it with someone. I was inclined to listen to his judgement because he has a reputation. I'm flattered that you think I'm a vet, though. | ||
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On October 06 2011 03:33 Erandorr wrote: Hey Jcarl. You say you have a reputation for wrongly accusing town? Well, why don't you do this in this game, too? Did I not just say that I'm trying to be more selective? You want me to go back to my ways of wrongly accusing town? I have read the logs of you and Bugs, for the most part its him talking at you. All you do thats a "read" is giving bugs a list from bottom to top about scummyness. Thats not giving a read, thats giving a list without any justification. THe rest of the conversation is Bugs talking at you and you, for the most part agreeing with him. For him that is a sign of you being town , not for anybody who looks at it objectivly. The PM part is impossible to track, which makes it very convinient. I do however, have to ask the question why, if you think everyone in here is retarded, you do not try to push your lynch instead of giving a 1 lines accusation about a lurker who is playing his first game. Who have you been talking to the last few days? Now derailing this on my is typical scum logic. If you cannot argue with something, lets make me look bad, too. I agree that my timing is looking scummy but that is not enough to make me scum, The rest of the my Case does make you scum , though. I wasn't trying to make you look scummy. I was discrediting your argument. What bugged me about Incog is that you never considered how he could play so bad as Town, either. Oh wait I do. You are scum and knew he is not... Mig thought you are likely scum too, and his judgement is great, you are right Oh and I love how you ignored my part about your 1 line Vote for Nuke. But you know what? If you really want to lynch me, that is your choice. What will you learn from lynching me though? That you were wrong, first off. But say I were to flip scum, who does that implicate? I agree with WBG + Show Spoiler + zomg i'm doing it again ##unvote ##vote Sevryn | ||
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On October 06 2011 03:59 Erandorr wrote: I can assure you that Forumite is not refusing because there is a connection. . Now you are in fact not discrediting my argument. My vote was scummy, your was too. That is what I was saying. you are not discrediting my argument you are saying" lol you did the same thing" Also, why would you point out what we get from your lynch? I say that you I can read, Sev I cannot and I would rather go for a certain scum lynch. You should try to convince me that you are town and not talk about what this lynch does for me. Is this really all you got ? Also why don't you tell me who you have been talking with? I am sure that they would come forward and defend you, right? I have spoken with Mig, Incog, Nisani, WBG, xtff. I tried to speak with DB, but he never responded to me. A couple of them are already dead, WBG has already spoken up in my defense. I know that once someone is convinced someone else is scum, it is an extremely difficult task to convince them otherwise. I do not have the energy nor desire to bang my head against the wall trying to convince you that you are wrong. I have to go to practice though, I will be back after the lynch. | ||
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A good portion of your argument is my thread lurking and seeming lack of activity. Notice how my activity waned in LOTR towards the end right before I died. Notice how that connects with the beginning of this game. Funny thing being a college athlete with a double major. Some days become more busy than others. | ||
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On October 06 2011 04:18 Erandorr wrote: So as soon as you get attacked you have the time to write a ton, which seems like the first time in the game? Thats incredibly convenient. On October 06 2011 06:30 Forumite wrote: jcarl, a lurker who stops lurking when threatened. I think he should be lynched. sigh... On October 06 2011 04:08 jcarlsoniv wrote: I have to go to practice though, I will be back after the lynch. And how the hell did this bandwagon on xt start? Did people learn nothing from the first two days of LOTR? This is exactly what Radfield did to get two townies lynched in a row before chaoser actually caught on and shot him. | ||
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On October 06 2011 08:26 Erandorr wrote: Dont you worry jcarl, i remember how that first lynch happened... I apologize in advance if xt flips town, I got really tilted the last couple of hours. Let us hope the best and try to keep this thread civil. We hurt town a lot with that attitude. If he flips scum then good, if not we should once again look at everyone who was absent at the time of the lynch. Jcarl I do not mean you with that, you gave notice in advance, but would you be okay with answering my questions from after you went away? I forgot you were Radfield's first victim xD Can you give me a quick recap of the questions you had? I'm on my phone and it's a bit difficult to go back and find them in the sea of pitchforks for xt | ||
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On October 06 2011 08:57 Erandorr wrote: Mhh you say you where not active in the thread, but active in PMs. You then named like 6 people, three of them dead. My question is why you did not try to contact the people you are susicious of. I mean if you are town that is the logical step isn't it? Get some more insight to justify your claims? You accused me of not considering that you are active in PMs, yet you gave risk.nuke the same treatment and never tried to contact him? I find that really strange, combined with a one line accusation that is based on "He was wrong with all his reads". You are correct, that would be a logical step. Did I do it? No, I didn't. I PMd people I thought could be town. I wanted to connect with other townies and discuss. It is something I should have done, but that's not how I used my PMs. I didn't accuse you of not considering that I was active in PMs. I said that since I was active in PMs, I didn't feel like a lurker. This inadvertently led me to posting less in the thread, along with being busy IRL. I had a gut feeling on risk.nuke. I voted him at the beginning of this day to put pressure on him, as did WBG. After WBG and I spoke at length last night, he said he was going to keep pressure on risk until the morning and then make a case at our better scum candidates. (My log folder is empty for some reason, but I'd be surprised if WBG didn't have the log of this.) NB: I forgot that I also briefly spoke with supersoft in PMs, but our schedules didn't match up to talk in IRC. Annnnnd fire alarm going off ~_~ | ||
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Xt gained enough votes in 10 minutes to save Sevryn, and I don't understand how. | ||
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On October 07 2011 05:21 Erandorr wrote: I guess you still had a lot of stuff to do or why where you not here ? Like blowing up mountains? ( that was aweeeesome ) I know you are much more active in PMs , but right now we need everything we can get, so could you make an effort and tell us who you think is Scum now? And why would be cool too i guess I was at practice! I said in the thread that I would be away for the lynch, you even acknowledged it. The whole bandwagon happened while I was away. And yes, having free reign on a minecraft server was probably the most fun thing ever. Right now, I'm looking at WBG and supersoft for this bandwagon. I'm feeling that one of them is probably scum. Out of the two of them, I'm leaning more on supersoft being the scum. He very proudly takes the credit for the lynch. + Show Spoiler + On October 07 2011 06:03 supersoft wrote: I started it :-D And yet, you'll notice that he doesn't vote for xt until the movement actually gathers momentum (4th vote, to be exact). If you look through supersoft's filter, you will find quite a few contradictions. He seems very concerned about keeping the amount of muted players secret from the scum. This is seemingly to protect the sniper. However, he then wants to direct the medics: On September 30 2011 20:39 supersoft wrote: we dont rely on our blue roles. protecting mig/curu should be much more important. Now, I understand why. Mig and Curu were valuable to town. However, he clearly thinks they are VTs. It seems odd for someone who seemed concerned with the safety of the sniper to not want a medic to be trying to protect blues. He then goes on to try to fish for information from forumite: + Show Spoiler + On October 01 2011 21:22 supersoft wrote: two PMs imply, that you answered him. is that correct? On October 01 2011 23:56 supersoft wrote: why don't you post a list of these players? ;-) On October 02 2011 00:51 supersoft wrote: You have absolutely no reason to hide the reamaining names. the scumteam has no use for such a list at all. On October 02 2011 08:33 supersoft wrote: no. forumte you wont shoot anyone at daytime. i want you to shoot someone at night. if you shoot someone during the daytime, we dont have any informations about your color. i dont need to know your role. i want to know your color. slso you should give us the remaining names! He then goes on to push HARD for Forumite to snipe Sevryn. He wants Sevryn to die. Then, he finds out Forumite isn't really a sniper. He then can't get Sev shot, and doesn't want his buddy to die to a lynch. Then what does he do? He flips a bus onto xt. It's odd. This is from my PMs with supersoft: + Show Spoiler + Original Message From supersoft: probably not :-/ sorry Original Message From jcarlsoniv: I'm in class right now. Will you be on in a few hours? Original Message From supersoft: can we talk in irc? Original Message From jcarlsoniv: I agree that we need a good lynch today. I wanted to pressure risk.nuke for the first part of the day, but it didn't really achieve much. It is possible that GM was just playing us, but his emotion seemed genuine. I'm leaning town on xt for that reason only. He definitely needs to show up and do something though. Original Message From supersoft: sevryn won't tell me who he was in contact with and i need these informations. we need to kill scum today and i dont want to mislynch. we have to work together to achieve this and if someone doesnt work with us, we have lynch him if he shares his logs, we lynch xtfftc, because i think GM is smart enough for this curuthing This was towards the beginning of yesterday. And it's funny, I don't recall Sevryn releasing his logs. Supersoft shows here that he already had xt in mind for a lynch. When asked by risk.nuke to provide the logs that gave the reasons for the lynch on xt, he gives a couple massive posts. Now, let's be serious, it's damn easy to lose information in a sea of text like that. Why would a townie make it so difficult for others to get information out of it? | ||
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Palmar screwed us by giving up. I thought my first scum game was fairly successful. gg, ty hosts | ||
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Basically, we had a pyro and the RBer. Nisani and I were goons. Our pyro gives up and rolls over dead right away. So we're sorta sitting there not having any semblance of a plan. So we just rolled with it. It seemed pretty easy to play scum when there isn't actually this "scum agenda" that everyone always talks about. We just interacted. I did lurk hard, and it wasn't until Erandorr called me out on it that I realized it. But by then I had laid the ground work to set enough blame on others for Nisani to carry us to victory. Turns out shooting prplhz had the exact effect I was aiming for. | ||
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Also: lol at the logs Nisani made up of a convo with me. It was an actual conversation we had, but he changed and omitted a lot. When I was reading it I for sure thought you guys would catch it cuz it didn't even seem believable. | ||
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