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On October 06 2011 03:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 03:33 Erandorr wrote:
Hey Jcarl.
You say you have a reputation for wrongly accusing town? Well, why don't you do this in this game, too? Did I not just say that I'm trying to be more selective? You want me to go back to my ways of wrongly accusing town? Show nested quote +
I have read the logs of you and Bugs, for the most part its him talking at you. All you do thats a "read" is giving bugs a list from bottom to top about scummyness. Thats not giving a read, thats giving a list without any justification. THe rest of the conversation is Bugs talking at you and you, for the most part agreeing with him. For him that is a sign of you being town , not for anybody who looks at it objectivly.
The PM part is impossible to track, which makes it very convinient. I do however, have to ask the question why, if you think everyone in here is retarded, you do not try to push your lynch instead of giving a 1 lines accusation about a lurker who is playing his first game. Who have you been talking to the last few days?
Now derailing this on my is typical scum logic. If you cannot argue with something, lets make me look bad, too. I agree that my timing is looking scummy but that is not enough to make me scum, The rest of the my Case does make you scum , though.
I wasn't trying to make you look scummy. I was discrediting your argument. Show nested quote +What bugged me about Incog is that you never considered how he could play so bad as Town, either. Oh wait I do. You are scum and knew he is not... Mig thought you are likely scum too, and his judgement is great, you are right  Oh and I love how you ignored my part about your 1 line Vote for Nuke. But you know what? If you really want to lynch me, that is your choice. What will you learn from lynching me though? That you were wrong, first off. But say I were to flip scum, who does that implicate? I agree with WBG + Show Spoiler + that we have the potential to learn the most from Sevryn's flip. Forumite is refusing to snipe him. I don't understand why unless there is a connection. ##unvote
##vote Sevryn
I can assure you that Forumite is not refusing because there is a connection.
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Now you are in fact not discrediting my argument. My vote was scummy, your was too. That is what I was saying. you are not discrediting my argument you are saying" lol you did the same thing"
Also, why would you point out what we get from your lynch? I say that you I can read, Sev I cannot and I would rather go for a certain scum lynch. You should try to convince me that you are town and not talk about what this lynch does for me. Is this really all you got ? Also why don't you tell me who you have been talking with? I am sure that they would come forward and defend you, right?
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I've been contemplating my vote and I realize that Sevyrn is probably a better lynch than Sinani.
##Unvote
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On October 06 2011 03:59 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 03:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 06 2011 03:33 Erandorr wrote:
Hey Jcarl.
You say you have a reputation for wrongly accusing town? Well, why don't you do this in this game, too? Did I not just say that I'm trying to be more selective? You want me to go back to my ways of wrongly accusing town?
I have read the logs of you and Bugs, for the most part its him talking at you. All you do thats a "read" is giving bugs a list from bottom to top about scummyness. Thats not giving a read, thats giving a list without any justification. THe rest of the conversation is Bugs talking at you and you, for the most part agreeing with him. For him that is a sign of you being town , not for anybody who looks at it objectivly.
The PM part is impossible to track, which makes it very convinient. I do however, have to ask the question why, if you think everyone in here is retarded, you do not try to push your lynch instead of giving a 1 lines accusation about a lurker who is playing his first game. Who have you been talking to the last few days?
Now derailing this on my is typical scum logic. If you cannot argue with something, lets make me look bad, too. I agree that my timing is looking scummy but that is not enough to make me scum, The rest of the my Case does make you scum , though.
I wasn't trying to make you look scummy. I was discrediting your argument. What bugged me about Incog is that you never considered how he could play so bad as Town, either. Oh wait I do. You are scum and knew he is not... Mig thought you are likely scum too, and his judgement is great, you are right Oh and I love how you ignored my part about your 1 line Vote for Nuke. But you know what? If you really want to lynch me, that is your choice. What will you learn from lynching me though? That you were wrong, first off. But say I were to flip scum, who does that implicate? I agree with WBG + Show Spoiler + that we have the potential to learn the most from Sevryn's flip. Forumite is refusing to snipe him. I don't understand why unless there is a connection. ##unvote
##vote Sevryn I can assure you that Forumite is not refusing because there is a connection. . Now you are in fact not discrediting my argument. My vote was scummy, your was too. That is what I was saying. you are not discrediting my argument you are saying" lol you did the same thing" Also, why would you point out what we get from your lynch? I say that you I can read, Sev I cannot and I would rather go for a certain scum lynch. You should try to convince me that you are town and not talk about what this lynch does for me. Is this really all you got ? Also why don't you tell me who you have been talking with? I am sure that they would come forward and defend you, right?
I have spoken with Mig, Incog, Nisani, WBG, xtff. I tried to speak with DB, but he never responded to me. A couple of them are already dead, WBG has already spoken up in my defense.
I know that once someone is convinced someone else is scum, it is an extremely difficult task to convince them otherwise. I do not have the energy nor desire to bang my head against the wall trying to convince you that you are wrong.
I have to go to practice though, I will be back after the lynch.
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Actually one more thing:
A good portion of your argument is my thread lurking and seeming lack of activity. Notice how my activity waned in LOTR towards the end right before I died. Notice how that connects with the beginning of this game.
Funny thing being a college athlete with a double major. Some days become more busy than others.
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On October 06 2011 04:08 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 03:59 Erandorr wrote:On October 06 2011 03:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 06 2011 03:33 Erandorr wrote:
Hey Jcarl.
You say you have a reputation for wrongly accusing town? Well, why don't you do this in this game, too? Did I not just say that I'm trying to be more selective? You want me to go back to my ways of wrongly accusing town?
I have read the logs of you and Bugs, for the most part its him talking at you. All you do thats a "read" is giving bugs a list from bottom to top about scummyness. Thats not giving a read, thats giving a list without any justification. THe rest of the conversation is Bugs talking at you and you, for the most part agreeing with him. For him that is a sign of you being town , not for anybody who looks at it objectivly.
The PM part is impossible to track, which makes it very convinient. I do however, have to ask the question why, if you think everyone in here is retarded, you do not try to push your lynch instead of giving a 1 lines accusation about a lurker who is playing his first game. Who have you been talking to the last few days?
Now derailing this on my is typical scum logic. If you cannot argue with something, lets make me look bad, too. I agree that my timing is looking scummy but that is not enough to make me scum, The rest of the my Case does make you scum , though.
I wasn't trying to make you look scummy. I was discrediting your argument. What bugged me about Incog is that you never considered how he could play so bad as Town, either. Oh wait I do. You are scum and knew he is not... Mig thought you are likely scum too, and his judgement is great, you are right Oh and I love how you ignored my part about your 1 line Vote for Nuke. But you know what? If you really want to lynch me, that is your choice. What will you learn from lynching me though? That you were wrong, first off. But say I were to flip scum, who does that implicate? I agree with WBG + Show Spoiler + that we have the potential to learn the most from Sevryn's flip. Forumite is refusing to snipe him. I don't understand why unless there is a connection. ##unvote
##vote Sevryn I can assure you that Forumite is not refusing because there is a connection. . Now you are in fact not discrediting my argument. My vote was scummy, your was too. That is what I was saying. you are not discrediting my argument you are saying" lol you did the same thing" Also, why would you point out what we get from your lynch? I say that you I can read, Sev I cannot and I would rather go for a certain scum lynch. You should try to convince me that you are town and not talk about what this lynch does for me. Is this really all you got ? Also why don't you tell me who you have been talking with? I am sure that they would come forward and defend you, right? I have spoken with Mig, Incog, Nisani, WBG, xtff. I tried to speak with DB, but he never responded to me. A couple of them are already dead, WBG has already spoken up in my defense. I know that once someone is convinced someone else is scum, it is an extremely difficult task to convince them otherwise. I do not have the energy nor desire to bang my head against the wall trying to convince you that you are wrong. I have to go to practice though, I will be back after the lynch.
Oh no , I am completely open minded. THe thing is though that you have unfortunately not given me anything that I would consider enough to change my mind I am afraid. So being active for you means talking to three people? The rest are all dead after all.
Why not try to talk to risk.nuke, if you think he is scum? Or Sevryn?
They are lurking pretty bad after all. If you are convinced of them being scum, shouldnt you try to get as much information out of them as possible?
Please give me another reason for that other than you are scum and do not need to talk to them and know their alignment anyways.
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On October 06 2011 04:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Actually one more thing:
A good portion of your argument is my thread lurking and seeming lack of activity. Notice how my activity waned in LOTR towards the end right before I died. Notice how that connects with the beginning of this game.
Funny thing being a college athlete with a double major. Some days become more busy than others.
So as soon as you get attacked you have the time to write a ton, which seems like the first time in the game? Thats incredibly convenient.
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actually he's typing in the thread because that's the only way to answer someone who is mute...
dude use reason and stop this tunnel
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On October 06 2011 04:16 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 04:08 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 06 2011 03:59 Erandorr wrote:On October 06 2011 03:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 06 2011 03:33 Erandorr wrote:
Hey Jcarl.
You say you have a reputation for wrongly accusing town? Well, why don't you do this in this game, too? Did I not just say that I'm trying to be more selective? You want me to go back to my ways of wrongly accusing town?
I have read the logs of you and Bugs, for the most part its him talking at you. All you do thats a "read" is giving bugs a list from bottom to top about scummyness. Thats not giving a read, thats giving a list without any justification. THe rest of the conversation is Bugs talking at you and you, for the most part agreeing with him. For him that is a sign of you being town , not for anybody who looks at it objectivly.
The PM part is impossible to track, which makes it very convinient. I do however, have to ask the question why, if you think everyone in here is retarded, you do not try to push your lynch instead of giving a 1 lines accusation about a lurker who is playing his first game. Who have you been talking to the last few days?
Now derailing this on my is typical scum logic. If you cannot argue with something, lets make me look bad, too. I agree that my timing is looking scummy but that is not enough to make me scum, The rest of the my Case does make you scum , though.
I wasn't trying to make you look scummy. I was discrediting your argument. What bugged me about Incog is that you never considered how he could play so bad as Town, either. Oh wait I do. You are scum and knew he is not... Mig thought you are likely scum too, and his judgement is great, you are right Oh and I love how you ignored my part about your 1 line Vote for Nuke. But you know what? If you really want to lynch me, that is your choice. What will you learn from lynching me though? That you were wrong, first off. But say I were to flip scum, who does that implicate? I agree with WBG + Show Spoiler + that we have the potential to learn the most from Sevryn's flip. Forumite is refusing to snipe him. I don't understand why unless there is a connection. ##unvote
##vote Sevryn I can assure you that Forumite is not refusing because there is a connection. . Now you are in fact not discrediting my argument. My vote was scummy, your was too. That is what I was saying. you are not discrediting my argument you are saying" lol you did the same thing" Also, why would you point out what we get from your lynch? I say that you I can read, Sev I cannot and I would rather go for a certain scum lynch. You should try to convince me that you are town and not talk about what this lynch does for me. Is this really all you got ? Also why don't you tell me who you have been talking with? I am sure that they would come forward and defend you, right? I have spoken with Mig, Incog, Nisani, WBG, xtff. I tried to speak with DB, but he never responded to me. A couple of them are already dead, WBG has already spoken up in my defense. I know that once someone is convinced someone else is scum, it is an extremely difficult task to convince them otherwise. I do not have the energy nor desire to bang my head against the wall trying to convince you that you are wrong. I have to go to practice though, I will be back after the lynch. Oh no , I am completely open minded. THe thing is though that you have unfortunately not given me anything that I would consider enough to change my mind I am afraid. So being active for you means talking to three people? The rest are all dead after all. Why not try to talk to risk.nuke, if you think he is scum? Or Sevryn? They are lurking pretty bad after all. If you are convinced of them being scum, shouldnt you try to get as much information out of them as possible? Please give me another reason for that other than you are scum and do not need to talk to them and know their alignment anyways.
neither risk.nuke nor sevryn have been on very often at all.
In fact I am the only player left alive who has talked to risk.nuke.
As for sevryn he's almost never on, so you can't blame jcarl for not having talked to sevryn. I don't believe I've ever seen them on at the same time.
Any of these arguments (why haven't you tried PMing player x?) can be used for a variety of players in the game atm. AFAIK the only player who is going out and PMing others is me. Everyone else seems to be content with sitting around and letting other people do the work for them.
I've encouraged the players I've talked to to go out and talk to others but I can't say that's actually happened. No use accusing jcarl on this.
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actually I just realized DB talked to risk.nuke day 1, but that doesn't change much.
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In fact I am the only player left alive who has talked to risk.nuke.
We had a chat earlier today 
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shoot already forumite!!! your shot is an additional townlynch!! shoot sev already!!
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On October 06 2011 03:21 wherebugsgo wrote:
Plus, people are most comfortable with lynching you.
That´s what makes me hesitate on this lynch, too many want him dead. There were too many, too quickly, who called for a shot on Sevryn. Either he´s Town, or he´s Scum and there were no Scum other active at that time to argue against the shot.
On October 06 2011 04:08 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I know that once someone is convinced someone else is scum, it is an extremely difficult task to convince them otherwise. I do not have the energy nor desire to bang my head against the wall trying to convince you that you are wrong.
I have to go to practice though, I will be back after the lynch.
I don´t like these lines, coupled with him posting walls of text for the first time in this game when Erandarr called him out. Until now he didn´t appear to have any interest in helping Town win the game, but now that he´s accused he puts an effort into saving himself. That says something about priorities.
I´m leaning toward lynching jcarl more than Sevryn right now.
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On October 06 2011 04:51 supersoft wrote:
shoot already forumite!!! your shot is an additional townlynch!! shoot sev already!!
If Sevryn dies to a snipershot now, then several people will get modkilled for not voting. Who is your secondary target?
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##Unvote Supersoft
##Vote jcarlsoniv
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On October 06 2011 04:53 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 04:51 supersoft wrote:
shoot already forumite!!! your shot is an additional townlynch!! shoot sev already!! If Sevryn dies to a snipershot now, then several people will get modkilled for not voting. Who is your secondary target?
wtf?
no they won't. If they do then I will personally never join another Kurumi game ever again.
You can choose not to shoot sevryn too. No matter what you do we'll be lynching you tomorrow anyway.
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On October 06 2011 04:53 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 04:51 supersoft wrote:
shoot already forumite!!! your shot is an additional townlynch!! shoot sev already!! If Sevryn dies to a snipershot now, then several people will get modkilled for not voting. Who is your secondary target?
They wouldn't get modkilled if someone was shot.
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On October 06 2011 04:54 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 04:53 Forumite wrote:On October 06 2011 04:51 supersoft wrote:
shoot already forumite!!! your shot is an additional townlynch!! shoot sev already!! If Sevryn dies to a snipershot now, then several people will get modkilled for not voting. Who is your secondary target? wtf? no they won't. If they do then I will personally never join another Kurumi game ever again. You can choose not to shoot sevryn too. No matter what you do we'll be lynching you tomorrow anyway.
We´ll take that tomorrow, today Sevryn dies to a lynch, not to me.
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On October 06 2011 04:59 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 04:54 wherebugsgo wrote:On October 06 2011 04:53 Forumite wrote:On October 06 2011 04:51 supersoft wrote:
shoot already forumite!!! your shot is an additional townlynch!! shoot sev already!! If Sevryn dies to a snipershot now, then several people will get modkilled for not voting. Who is your secondary target? wtf? no they won't. If they do then I will personally never join another Kurumi game ever again. You can choose not to shoot sevryn too. No matter what you do we'll be lynching you tomorrow anyway. We´ll take that tomorrow, today Sevryn dies to a lynch, not to me.
And you will be dead tomorrow.
Good for us.
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lol forum, thats so scummy!!! wtf shoot him already!!! i made myself clear: I want to reduce mafias kps to 1 therefor shoot someone already!
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