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On September 29 2011 01:18 NotChezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 01:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 29 2011 01:05 NotChezinu wrote:On September 28 2011 23:17 tnkted wrote:
Also, I agree with mig about the Engineer watcher/medic but for different reasons. I think the extra medic is a waste in a game in which 1. we already have a medic and 2. There are only 4.5 kp floating around, only 2.5 of which belong to scum. Don't even THINK about getting the dispenser station. That's just asking for more KP.
Should people who are burned at night claim, so that medic can choose to protect them, or what? that tells mafia where the medic is gonna be, but mafia can just fakeclaim a burn and draw the medic too. I'm uncomfortable with introducing a town mechanic that allows mafia to manipulate the medic that way. You seem to have vaster knowledge than the rest of us mortals. How are you aware of the presence of 4.5 KP? You know the mafia has 2.5kp? The presence of a medic is a certainty? Truly you are wise. Or perhaps foolish, I'll leave that up to observation. Also let the record show that jcarlsoniv is probably mafia, so if I'm on your team jcarlsoniv I would appreciate an informative PM informing me. I am? Interesting. But then...if I were mafia, and you were on my team, wouldn't that also make you mafia? O_o It would, which is why I would appreciate you telling me if I am on your team! I need some outside data before I can observe my role PM! Quantum uncertanty is hard.
Oh of course! Silly me, I forgot you were playing Schrodinger's Role. Although I don't think I could help you much. I don't know anything about quantum uncertainty, I'm just a lowly math major!
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On September 29 2011 02:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
Forumite is retarded/scum, tnkted is scum.
Trying to discredit Mig when he thinks watcher can't catch scum LOL
I'm fine with either a Forumite or tnkted lynch today.
What makes you think tnkted is scum?
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On September 29 2011 06:12 Palmar wrote:
I agree with Mig btw.
But I don't think WBG is scum either, just have a quick look at the way he's posting. I don't think he's actually played scum, but this looks much more like his overconfident in your face town play. Both being wrong and being aggressive fit his meta perfectly.
that being said:
##Vote Jackal58
I don't really understand this vote... It's one of my least favorite things in these games for people to just vote others without reason.
On September 29 2011 05:10 prplhz wrote:
so PM land is baller and all but you know, there are mute people around, townies too. and those guys can't really talk in PMs or talk about what's happening in (most) PMs and it's cool and all that you're hanging out in PM land but people need to post here too. 14 pages after one day, this is hands down the slowest mafia game ever. i think it was batman mafia where we were at 60 pages after one day or something like that, and WaW2 too but that was different.
PM land is cool but post here too
i don't like tnkted's plan but it's the only thing there is to talk about. dunno if towns should keep accepting shitty plans in the beginning of the game just for the sake of something to talk about. Mig's logic is sound but that's pretty boring.
also, Palmar actually is scum this time
Isn't PM land more beneficial for town? I think this is only my 2nd or 3rd PM game, so correct me if I'm wrong. Since scum already starts with quite a bit more info than town does, isn't it better to use PM land the best we can? Obviously things need to be posted in the thread, but if people can use their discretion with one person instead of having to say it publicly, isn't that better?
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WBG and Jackal, I feel like this is just a huge argument that is distracting. It feels like a lot of yelling and OMGUS.
This seems to resemble the yelling between Ace and WBG in Resurrection. They both turned out to be town...
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On September 29 2011 11:17 Nisani201 wrote:
I have yet to see anything scummy in Jackal's play. On the other hand, we have WBG OMGUSing, while mirroring his play from MLP mafia.
You guys make this too easy. I know where I'm placing my vote.
##Vote: wherebugsgo
WBG actually raises some valid points. But it still seems too much like townies arguing with each other to want to put my vote on either one.
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Forumite, I don't understand your argument against Curu. Mig outlined a very good argument against Palmar, and yet you think Curu is more scummy?
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On September 30 2011 01:43 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 01:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Forumite, I don't understand your argument against Curu. Mig outlined a very good argument against Palmar, and yet you think Curu is more scummy? Does this mean you agree with Curu and Mig that Palmar is scum?
I think it is a very strong possibility, yes. Palmar's arguments have been almost entirely based on meta. And Mig caught him completely ignoring games that were more recent in order to get his point across.
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On September 30 2011 03:35 Curu wrote:
I don't want to be a dick to the mods but their posts on the previous page pretty much confirm that Palmar is scum. If he was a Townie making a legitimate mistake the hosts would not have said anything at all but since it was a mistake on their part (prolly colouring the Mafia PMs red while leaving the rest black) they had to step in and post something. The only concern I had was if certain power roles were coloured and Palmar had one of those but he confirmed to me in Skype that his PM was black (actually he said it was blue first, then read my post, then changed it to black lol).
Agreed. The way I read kita's post was like "scum know what the town PMs look like, so Palmar would be able to justify a claim" or something like that.
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On September 30 2011 20:12 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 19:59 risk.nuke wrote:On September 30 2011 07:50 wherebugsgo wrote:
Incog is probably GF if he's mafia, a check on him is useless.
Checking Forumite or Jackal would be far better IMO. on what do you base your assumption that incog is gf? WBG directing checks is very pro-Scum, since there´s a framer in the scumteam.
Forumite, you just shat on your credibility. You fake claim sniper, cause a whole ruckus, and then ask for medic protection? Why would a medic want to protect you? Are you trying to pull the medics away from town's high priority members so that a shot can actually go through?
If you were town, I can somewhat understand your reasoning behind it, but still... Due to you and Jackal, now scum has an easier chance of hittin/RBing the sniper because they now know 2 players who they don't want to hit -_-
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On October 01 2011 03:23 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 20:12 Forumite wrote:On September 30 2011 19:59 risk.nuke wrote:On September 30 2011 07:50 wherebugsgo wrote:
Incog is probably GF if he's mafia, a check on him is useless.
Checking Forumite or Jackal would be far better IMO. on what do you base your assumption that incog is gf? WBG directing checks is very pro-Scum, since there´s a framer in the scumteam. Wtf you state this like a matter of fact. No doubt at all. You the framer, Forumite? Sorry about the double, I missed this earlier.
Well the framer is the GF. In every game I've played with a GF on the role list, there has been a GF. You have any reason to believe there wouldn't be a GF WBG?
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Why are you asking me this?
In XLIV the GF was listed as a role and didn't appear on the scumteam.
This is exactly why I was asking. As I said, I've never had a game where the GF was listed and not been in the game, so I wanted to know if it ever happened.
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On October 01 2011 07:06 Mig wrote:
Lynch Incognito
Well that was fast.
You all keep saying that Incog is a very good player. Since prpl was the one accusing Incog the most, would Incog push for a prpl kill? This would create a situation like we have now: people looking at who prpl was accusing.
I know it's a bit of WIFOM, but if Incog is as experienced as all of you are saying, it seems that this would be something he would want to avoid.
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I've been right here, Incog! I haven't really had much to say because the last few pages have been people (WBG) accusing you. I already stated why it doesn't sit right with me that you would call for the hit on prpl right after he was accusing you. Repeating myself won't really do any good.
I'm noticing how there really aren't any cases for different lynch candidates. This makes it seem like mafia is perfectly content with letting Incog get lynched. I want to read a little more and see if I can find something useful.
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On October 02 2011 09:36 Curu wrote:
The thing I find fishy is Incog asked all these people to PM Erandorr but if he had PMed Erandorr himself it would have been apparently he is mute.
He also PMd me to talk to Erandorr. I asked him about it, he said he was also trying to PM Erandorr.
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After some deliberation with anonymous parties and research, I feel that Incog is more likely to be scum than Curu is. While I still find it difficult to believe that this would be Incog's scum play, go look through his posts in PYP insane as I was told to do. He was a very obvious town scum hunter. He was being immensely helpful to town and detrimental to the scum team.
Incog's play this game has been far from his town play.
##vote Incognito
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On October 05 2011 03:10 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 21:43 supersoft wrote:
lol. now everyone is dead.
i need some new friends now. dear redteam, i wanna join you. i am incognitos mysterious nightvigilante. for further information click the PM button on top and leave me some comments in my inbox. If this is for real can you shoot Sevryn already. Nothing has changed regarding him, still avoided the Palmar issue entirely, still was on teh Curu bandwagon, still needs to go.
Eh, I disagree. I was looking through his posts and got more of a townie vibe from him.
Also, I'm surprised no one protected Mig last night. And sorry for Curu modkill =/
I know I didn't post yesterday, was a long day for me. But I was reading, just wasn't able to post.
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On October 05 2011 03:39 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 03:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 05 2011 03:10 DropBear wrote:On October 04 2011 21:43 supersoft wrote:
lol. now everyone is dead.
i need some new friends now. dear redteam, i wanna join you. i am incognitos mysterious nightvigilante. for further information click the PM button on top and leave me some comments in my inbox. If this is for real can you shoot Sevryn already. Nothing has changed regarding him, still avoided the Palmar issue entirely, still was on teh Curu bandwagon, still needs to go. Eh, I disagree. I was looking through his posts and got more of a townie vibe from him. Also, I'm surprised no one protected Mig last night. And sorry for Curu modkill =/ I know I didn't post yesterday, was a long day for me. But I was reading, just wasn't able to post. Who would you like to go for today? You must have at least one read, correct ?
I'm suspicious of risk.nuke right now.
I don't know what to think of NC for now. It was said that he has used emotional sympathy as scum before. And his case against Curu was extremely convoluted. It was used to try and save Incog, although they were both town.
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On October 02 2011 00:52 risk.nuke wrote:I don't know what is going on in Pm-land That said, here is what I currently think, --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kill IncognitoThe fact that incogs last post was 15 minutes before prplhz got killed I'm 100% sure he's scum. Suspicious peoplewherebugsgoI have been suspicious at wbg for a long time. + Show Spoiler +On September 30 2011 20:47 risk.nuke wrote:If I was going to suspect anyone of beeing gf it would be wbg. Going through his posting, He's definitely trying to create chaos amongst town, and he's agressive enough to think that if he got checked he would come up townie. Altough he cleaverly never straight out defended Palmar the more I look through his posts the more I think he's scum. + Show Spoiler +On September 29 2011 10:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also Jackal, since you think I'm scum why is your vote still on Palmar?
You know, that shitty start of the game vote that you have yet to change, or, hell, even put in the voting thread? Fakevote much?
Don't have any scumreads? Don't intend to contribute?
On September 30 2011 02:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
Palmar looks scummy despite alignment so blah. He's made sense this game to me.
Thus, I still prefer Jackal. If anyone knows something I don't please let me know. He tries to steal the heat from Palmar thinking that after he got a palmar voter to vote for him instead, he could play the suspicious saint and probably get the town on his side leading to the voters eventually voting for someone else. + Show Spoiler +On September 30 2011 04:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
Sounds like you sheeped and didn't look into any of this yourself.
You basically just admitted to voting Palmar solely because of other people's reasons. Did you question those reasons? Why are you so quick to believe them?
If Palmar is scum you're scum too. He tries to create some other suspicious people based on shit and nothing just to create more chaos and distrust. He's case on Furumite started building when he realised Palmer was going down and he wanted to try and frame someone with it. The only thing wbg has on his plus side is he has been hammering Incognito which he has been doing since the start. If Incognito flips blue wbg is most likely scum. If he flips red This doesn't rule wbg out (see spoiler), might be a longshot but It wouldn't be the first time. *This is HYPOTHETICALLY and IF Incognitos flips red + Show Spoiler + Wbg started of attacking incognito to give the townies the feeling that those two can not possibly be together. Despite actually going on him like a berserker wbg doesn't give any solid arguments for why incognito was mafia. Possibly expecting veterans to ignore it because of the lack of arguments and still giving achieving the goal giving townies the feeeling of distrust between wbg and incognito.
He was probably hoping incognitos last plan would save Incognito, when it backfired wbg realise they have to give incognito up
Short time after my post against wbg, he posts this + Show Spoiler +On September 30 2011 23:28 tnkted wrote:
WBG is town. I bring this information from PM land. Plz don't shoot him. and this + Show Spoiler +On September 30 2011 23:34 tnkted wrote:
PM me for questions, back to class I'm a bit puzzled to why I should let a suspicous person be, and since he asked me to. I pm tnktd and ask him why I should drop wbg. In his reply I got no answer from tnktd. I don't understand why he would not tell me why wbg is not mafia since he seems to know that for certainty. As said earlier the first priority of all townies should be to establish their innocence so why? (it's before the first night is over so roles should be irrelevant. Instead he attempts to swing the conversation into me giving him my scumreads. I don't answer while thinking about what to read out of it and what to reply. Shortly after I get another pm, this time from wbg asking the same thing. Me and wbg haven't had any prior private contact and I get scumchills all up my spine. Other notesI don't think Curu is scum but the only person I would consider safe is MigThe person to pm me before speaking in irc was dropbear.
In this post, the people he tags as scum have flipped town. Only person yet to flip is WBG, but WBG's play this game looks like his town play, so I'm very inclined to believe WBG is town as well.
##vote risk.nuke
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On October 05 2011 04:05 Erandorr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 03:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 02 2011 00:52 risk.nuke wrote:I don't know what is going on in Pm-land That said, here is what I currently think, --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kill IncognitoThe fact that incogs last post was 15 minutes before prplhz got killed I'm 100% sure he's scum. Suspicious peoplewherebugsgoI have been suspicious at wbg for a long time. + Show Spoiler +On September 30 2011 20:47 risk.nuke wrote:If I was going to suspect anyone of beeing gf it would be wbg. Going through his posting, He's definitely trying to create chaos amongst town, and he's agressive enough to think that if he got checked he would come up townie. Altough he cleaverly never straight out defended Palmar the more I look through his posts the more I think he's scum. + Show Spoiler +On September 29 2011 10:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also Jackal, since you think I'm scum why is your vote still on Palmar?
You know, that shitty start of the game vote that you have yet to change, or, hell, even put in the voting thread? Fakevote much?
Don't have any scumreads? Don't intend to contribute?
On September 30 2011 02:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
Palmar looks scummy despite alignment so blah. He's made sense this game to me.
Thus, I still prefer Jackal. If anyone knows something I don't please let me know. He tries to steal the heat from Palmar thinking that after he got a palmar voter to vote for him instead, he could play the suspicious saint and probably get the town on his side leading to the voters eventually voting for someone else. + Show Spoiler +On September 30 2011 04:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
Sounds like you sheeped and didn't look into any of this yourself.
You basically just admitted to voting Palmar solely because of other people's reasons. Did you question those reasons? Why are you so quick to believe them?
If Palmar is scum you're scum too. He tries to create some other suspicious people based on shit and nothing just to create more chaos and distrust. He's case on Furumite started building when he realised Palmer was going down and he wanted to try and frame someone with it. The only thing wbg has on his plus side is he has been hammering Incognito which he has been doing since the start. If Incognito flips blue wbg is most likely scum. If he flips red This doesn't rule wbg out (see spoiler), might be a longshot but It wouldn't be the first time. *This is HYPOTHETICALLY and IF Incognitos flips red + Show Spoiler + Wbg started of attacking incognito to give the townies the feeling that those two can not possibly be together. Despite actually going on him like a berserker wbg doesn't give any solid arguments for why incognito was mafia. Possibly expecting veterans to ignore it because of the lack of arguments and still giving achieving the goal giving townies the feeeling of distrust between wbg and incognito.
He was probably hoping incognitos last plan would save Incognito, when it backfired wbg realise they have to give incognito up
Short time after my post against wbg, he posts this + Show Spoiler +On September 30 2011 23:28 tnkted wrote:
WBG is town. I bring this information from PM land. Plz don't shoot him. and this + Show Spoiler +On September 30 2011 23:34 tnkted wrote:
PM me for questions, back to class I'm a bit puzzled to why I should let a suspicous person be, and since he asked me to. I pm tnktd and ask him why I should drop wbg. In his reply I got no answer from tnktd. I don't understand why he would not tell me why wbg is not mafia since he seems to know that for certainty. As said earlier the first priority of all townies should be to establish their innocence so why? (it's before the first night is over so roles should be irrelevant. Instead he attempts to swing the conversation into me giving him my scumreads. I don't answer while thinking about what to read out of it and what to reply. Shortly after I get another pm, this time from wbg asking the same thing. Me and wbg haven't had any prior private contact and I get scumchills all up my spine. Other notesI don't think Curu is scum but the only person I would consider safe is MigThe person to pm me before speaking in irc was dropbear. In this post, the people he tags as scum have flipped town. Only person yet to flip is WBG, but WBG's play this game looks like his town play, so I'm very inclined to believe WBG is town as well. ##vote risk.nuke Thanks for your read  Is your whole argument that he was wrong with everything he said? And from your point of view he would be the most certain to flip scum today, yes? Do you have anything on Dropbear, Sevryn and Forumite?
At this point, yes, he is probably the most likely to flip scum.
Drop has been tunneling on Sev all game, but I'm leaning town on Sev. Usually when I see this happen it's town tunneling town. Definitely not definitive though.
Still wary of Forumite.
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On October 06 2011 01:41 Erandorr wrote:No. How about we catch some real scum? Let us talk about Jcarl. Firstly, look at his tone and this lovely poem : Show nested quote +These votes I don't quite understand,
This noobie scurred by vets.
I generally hold my vote and
determine what is best. Why would you underline that you are bad at this game already? there really is no need to unless you want to make sure that no one takes you seriously and as we all now, Scum loooove to do that. Also notice that he does not have any reason to post , really , since there are so many lurkers in the game.
Because it fit with the poem? That whole part of the thread is all pretty troll-y. Also, this is the first time I've seen people like Incog, Mig, and NC (who I thought was Chez, but him being GM didn't change this fact). These are all names I've heard are very good at this game whom I have never seen play first hand. This was by no means an attempt to reduce my credibility.
Other example here: Show nested quote +
Isn't PM land more beneficial for town? I think this is only my 2nd or 3rd PM game, so correct me if I'm wrong. Since scum already starts with quite a bit more info than town does, isn't it better to use PM land the best we can? Obviously things need to be posted in the thread, but if people can use their discretion with one person instead of having to say it publicly, isn't that better?
I'm not sure what the problem of stating a fact was. I had a legitimate question, and I was open to being corrected. This is how people learn.
or here : Show nested quote +At this point, yes, he is probably the most likely to flip scum.
Drop has been tunneling on Sev all game, but I'm leaning town on Sev. Usually when I see this happen it's town tunneling town. Definitely not definitive though.
Still wary of Forumite. This is about as noncommittal as you can get He does not want to give us strong reads because he is scum and wants to hide as much as he can.
You want me to commit to something that was pure speculation? If you read the logs that WBG has given you, you'll see I talk about my strong reads. WBG and I had rather in depth conversations.
Let us compare this to a post from a week ago in LOTR where he was town Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 23:21 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 20 2011 19:02 Palmar wrote:
This shit sucks, I thought I made enough posts, my bad guys.
And DrH dying sucks, because it means I can't just tunnel him today, I actually need to find another scum today.
prplhz should probably give the ring away to his strongest townread. I'd go with one of Radfield, Sandroba, myself and pyo. These are the things I get from this post: 1. You are intentionally lurking, which hurts town. I hate lurkers, they ruin the game. 2. Maybe DrH dying sucks more for you cuz you've lost your mafia overlord. Must be rough. 3. Your "strongest townreads" consist of at least 2 people that I think could very well be scum. On September 20 2011 21:59 Palmar wrote:
No don't worry about it. I'm just pointing out something that is a fact, but it is absolutely not necessary for you guys to see it right now, it'll come later.
Unacceptable. You want us to just take for granted that you are town, and that we'll understand why later? Absolutely not. It is YOUR job to convince us that you are town. We're not just gonna let you prance around on your merry way and not question you about it, especially after you've been intentionally lurking. On September 20 2011 19:05 Palmar wrote:On September 20 2011 19:02 Palmar wrote:On September 20 2011 19:02 Palmar wrote:
prplhz should probably give the ring away to his strongest townread. I'd go with one of Radfield, Sandroba, myself and pyo. Derp... prplhz said he doesn't actually have the ring. In any case, if you're lying, you should consider giving it away. btw, Sandroba is almost definitely town, but only if he takes his vote off me. I'm basically confirmed town from my exchanges with DrH, but only people like sandroba/syllo etc will see it. Lol? "Sandroba is definitely town, and his vote on me is super accurate, so it should come off of me." How are you even remotely confirmed town. Again, it is not your job to tell us you're town. It's our job to understand and analyze from your posts and activity that you could be town. Oh, but wait, you haven't had any posts or activity worth noting. Guess you aren't confirmed town. Look at the agressive manner in which he is calling palmar out. Also feel free to look at his posts in general and see just how much he is actually doing there. He is strong, confident and not afraid to give his opinion. Here he just lurks. And look what he says there. He hates lurkers, they ruin the gameWhat does he do this game? He lurks
I was very frustrated at that point with Palmar, which is why I was getting very aggressive with him. You say to look at my past play. I have a history of wrongly accusing town. My early game play is weak. It is something I'm trying to work on, and I'm trying to be more selective.
I have been a thread lurker this game, I even admit it to WBG. I have been active out of the thread though. This is one downside I see to PM games. I have read the thread every day, and I am active outside the thread, so I don't feel like a lurker, and I don't post. Again, something to work on.
Show nested quote +Now look at the ways in which he votes. This vote on Nuke is pretty bad. Jcarl says that Nuke is scum because he was wrong with all his reads. That alone is no reason to lynch somebody, and is also a subpar effort for someone like jcarl. On October 05 2011 04:26 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 05 2011 04:05 Erandorr wrote:On October 05 2011 03:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 02 2011 00:52 risk.nuke wrote:I don't know what is going on in Pm-land That said, here is what I currently think, --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kill IncognitoThe fact that incogs last post was 15 minutes before prplhz got killed I'm 100% sure he's scum. Suspicious peoplewherebugsgoI have been suspicious at wbg for a long time. + Show Spoiler +On September 30 2011 20:47 risk.nuke wrote:If I was going to suspect anyone of beeing gf it would be wbg. Going through his posting, He's definitely trying to create chaos amongst town, and he's agressive enough to think that if he got checked he would come up townie. Altough he cleaverly never straight out defended Palmar the more I look through his posts the more I think he's scum. + Show Spoiler +On September 29 2011 10:02 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also Jackal, since you think I'm scum why is your vote still on Palmar?
You know, that shitty start of the game vote that you have yet to change, or, hell, even put in the voting thread? Fakevote much?
Don't have any scumreads? Don't intend to contribute?
On September 30 2011 02:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
Palmar looks scummy despite alignment so blah. He's made sense this game to me.
Thus, I still prefer Jackal. If anyone knows something I don't please let me know. He tries to steal the heat from Palmar thinking that after he got a palmar voter to vote for him instead, he could play the suspicious saint and probably get the town on his side leading to the voters eventually voting for someone else. + Show Spoiler +On September 30 2011 04:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
Sounds like you sheeped and didn't look into any of this yourself.
You basically just admitted to voting Palmar solely because of other people's reasons. Did you question those reasons? Why are you so quick to believe them?
If Palmar is scum you're scum too. He tries to create some other suspicious people based on shit and nothing just to create more chaos and distrust. He's case on Furumite started building when he realised Palmer was going down and he wanted to try and frame someone with it. The only thing wbg has on his plus side is he has been hammering Incognito which he has been doing since the start. If Incognito flips blue wbg is most likely scum. If he flips red This doesn't rule wbg out (see spoiler), might be a longshot but It wouldn't be the first time. *This is HYPOTHETICALLY and IF Incognitos flips red + Show Spoiler + Wbg started of attacking incognito to give the townies the feeling that those two can not possibly be together. Despite actually going on him like a berserker wbg doesn't give any solid arguments for why incognito was mafia. Possibly expecting veterans to ignore it because of the lack of arguments and still giving achieving the goal giving townies the feeeling of distrust between wbg and incognito.
He was probably hoping incognitos last plan would save Incognito, when it backfired wbg realise they have to give incognito up
Short time after my post against wbg, he posts this + Show Spoiler +On September 30 2011 23:28 tnkted wrote:
WBG is town. I bring this information from PM land. Plz don't shoot him. and this + Show Spoiler +On September 30 2011 23:34 tnkted wrote:
PM me for questions, back to class I'm a bit puzzled to why I should let a suspicous person be, and since he asked me to. I pm tnktd and ask him why I should drop wbg. In his reply I got no answer from tnktd. I don't understand why he would not tell me why wbg is not mafia since he seems to know that for certainty. As said earlier the first priority of all townies should be to establish their innocence so why? (it's before the first night is over so roles should be irrelevant. Instead he attempts to swing the conversation into me giving him my scumreads. I don't answer while thinking about what to read out of it and what to reply. Shortly after I get another pm, this time from wbg asking the same thing. Me and wbg haven't had any prior private contact and I get scumchills all up my spine. Other notesI don't think Curu is scum but the only person I would consider safe is MigThe person to pm me before speaking in irc was dropbear. In this post, the people he tags as scum have flipped town. Only person yet to flip is WBG, but WBG's play this game looks like his town play, so I'm very inclined to believe WBG is town as well. ##vote risk.nuke Thanks for your read Is your whole argument that he was wrong with everything he said? And from your point of view he would be the most certain to flip scum today, yes? Do you have anything on Dropbear, Sevryn and Forumite? At this point, yes, he is probably the most likely to flip scum. Drop has been tunneling on Sev all game, but I'm leaning town on Sev. Usually when I see this happen it's town tunneling town. Definitely not definitive though. Still wary of Forumite. Incog got suspicious of both Jcarl and me for the timing of our votes on Palmar. His was even worse than mine. He jumped on the wagon at a very convinient time, not having said anything about the lynch beforehand at the typical "Lets bus this guy " time(3rd or 4th vote)
Really? That's odd. From these two posts from Incog, he seems to think that YOU are more suspicious than I am.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 30 2011 06:21 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 05:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
Omfg are you reading anything I'm writing?
YOU ARE SCUM IF PALMAR FLIPS TOWN
Jesus fucking Christ I said nothing about you being scum other than that Here we go again with the baseless assumptions. Stop using throwing the word "meta" around. Townies are wrong all the time so this should NOT be a consideration for this lynch. This Palmar lynch is quite interesting right now, although this is nowhere near a "strong case". I am disturbed by the fact that nobody seems to be defending him in thread, (except perhaps wherebugsgo, underhandedly, and Forumite earlier) or is trying to derail the lynch. The most interesting thing about Palmar is that he doesn't defend himself at all and just claims alignment cop. The other thing is completely ignoring jackal and switching to Curu AFTER I said that the WBG and Jackal lynches are bad. With that said, there are definitely reasons to see why Palmar is town. Since this is quite an uncontested lynch, I'm going to be looking out for those lurkers who jumped on the wagon in the middle section. Erandorr and jcarlsoniv come to mind. ##Vote Erandorr for this post: Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 02:57 Erandorr wrote:On September 30 2011 02:49 DropBear wrote:I don't like the bugs lynch. He is being spammy and annoying and doing bad OMGUS votes. I've seen him play in 2 games before this, both as town and he was spammy and annoying in those and did bad OMGUS votes. Yes it is OMGUS. He claims you are scum, then you vote him. Semantics about him not actually voting are semantics. I have completely no idea how to read Palmar since he abused the hell out of me in XLIV as town and his derailing of Lord of the Rings. His Jackal vote was weak as hell but then most of his early reads are poor so I'm not sure what to think yet. The headbutting with Curu is just an ego battle. The Chezinu lynch is bad cos he is renowned for playing like a wierdo and supposedly hasn't even opened his role PM yet. The Jackal lynch is bad cos he's always quiet on day 1. I fail to see how he has claimed mute. It is true that he hasn't replied to my PM but then PMing me got him killed in Werewolves so I understand, even though I'm hurt  Basically all the lynches with more than 1 vote on them at the moment are poor in my opinion. I want to lynch Sevryn. What? So you are saying nothing at all with your first real post and then want to lynch someone while giving no reason or any form of analysis? Have you made an effort reading this thread? Mig provided some really strong analysis on Palmar, and while I dont like the way Curu has been posting , right now I think Palmar is our best shot at lynching scum today. ##Unvote ## Vote Palmar Someone please tell me why Erandorr would pop up and pick on DropBear while voting Palmar in the same post. Show nested quote +On September 30 2011 03:28 Erandorr wrote:On September 30 2011 03:12 DropBear wrote:Oh for. I should never have made that stupid account. On September 30 2011 02:57 Erandorr wrote:On September 30 2011 02:49 DropBear wrote:I don't like the bugs lynch. He is being spammy and annoying and doing bad OMGUS votes. I've seen him play in 2 games before this, both as town and he was spammy and annoying in those and did bad OMGUS votes. Yes it is OMGUS. He claims you are scum, then you vote him. Semantics about him not actually voting are semantics. I have completely no idea how to read Palmar since he abused the hell out of me in XLIV as town and his derailing of Lord of the Rings. His Jackal vote was weak as hell but then most of his early reads are poor so I'm not sure what to think yet. The headbutting with Curu is just an ego battle. The Chezinu lynch is bad cos he is renowned for playing like a wierdo and supposedly hasn't even opened his role PM yet. The Jackal lynch is bad cos he's always quiet on day 1. I fail to see how he has claimed mute. It is true that he hasn't replied to my PM but then PMing me got him killed in Werewolves so I understand, even though I'm hurt Basically all the lynches with more than 1 vote on them at the moment are poor in my opinion. I want to lynch Sevryn. What? So you are saying nothing at all with your first real post and then want to lynch someone while giving no reason or any form of analysis? Have you made an effort reading this thread? Mig provided some really strong analysis on Palmar, and while I dont like the way Curu has been posting , right now I think Palmar is our best shot at lynching scum today. ##Unvote ## Vote Palmar Yes I have read the thread. Mig's prime argument against Palmar is that he is a better player than his play in this game. My personal experience is that in fact his early play sucks in this game because his early play sucks in general. This is the guy who was renowned for shooting DTs we are talking about, plus his play in the last 2 games I've been involved in, once as town and once third party, was erratic and disruptive too. I much prefer to lynch Sevryn than Palmar. Hmm I need to look closer at Sev then , but you have seen his town play , right? I would say we can give him a couple of more days instead of going for the really easy kill on someone who is known for being scummy as hell when town. Palmar is also known for being scummy when town.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 02 2011 04:16 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2011 20:08 wherebugsgo wrote:On October 01 2011 06:52 Incognito wrote:prplhz does not have a pro-town agenda. If you look at all his posts, you will see that besides spreading doubt and fueling irrelevant discussions, prplhz never gives an indication that he is trying to figure stuff out. While he can be categorized as "active", he is just sticking to the sidelines and prodding without actually contributing and does not have a town agenda. This is a highly likely indicator that he is scum. However, the most important piece of evidence is this post: On September 30 2011 20:38 prplhz wrote:
~words words words~
i'm posting this now 'cause apparently scum (incog) wants me dead so much that they've resorted to asking random mutes if they want to kill me. i don't see why 'cause i wasn't instrumental in palmar's demise at all. The bolded part is clearly sarcasm. What prplhz is claiming here is that he was in fact instrumental in Palmar's demise. Is this claim true? Absolutely not. He does vote for Palmar, who flips red, but he does not contribute to the lynch to the extent he claims. Notice the timing of his posts. Early in the game, prplhz says since palmar is locked down for day1 lynch can we talk about who to lynch day2? . It is fairly obvious that this is a joke post. Two posts later, he votes NotChezinu. 3 posts after that, he says "Palmar is actually scum this time" with no explanation. After this, there is a lul in the anti-Palmar rhetoric, and prplhz doesn't give an opinion on Palmar until two hours before the lynch ends, when it is clear that Palmar is going to die. This post is the only post in which prplhz gives a substantial opinion on Palmar, and it comes far too late: On September 30 2011 05:04 prplhz wrote:Also how Palmar just says "Alright, I'm getting lynched, well goodbye folks". That's kinda scummy you know, they don't tend to say a lot after it's apparent that they're gonna get lynched. prplhz only votes Palmar after it is clear that Palmar is doomed. It is obvious that prplhz's post was not meant to influence people to vote Palmar, but to justify his vote. prplhz does not push Palmar's lynch at ANY time before this point, and doesn't contribute to the discussion when people are trying to figure out if they want to vote for Curu or Palmar. Look at prplhz's 3 posts before the one I just quoted: On September 29 2011 20:40 prplhz wrote:On September 29 2011 20:17 Forumite wrote:
Putting it out there, I´d rather see the lynch being between Palmar and Curu than us lynching one either Jackal or WBG. so you don't care much who gets lynched, you just want to voice your support of a scenario with two bandwagons that you and your scum buddies can hop on to at leisure? On September 29 2011 21:40 prplhz wrote:
so who do you think is scummier of the two? are any of them scum at all? On September 29 2011 21:49 prplhz wrote:
i mean scum would love to see the lynch be decided by who is the scummier of two townies, and not who is actually scum. you're just sitting there saying "oh yea bitches, duke it out and we'll lynch one of you!" and i kinda find that very scummy. very scum. Is he contributing to the lynch? No. First he underhandedly accuses Forumite by suggesting he doesn't care about the lynch. Then he asks Forumite of his opinion on Palmar/Curu and criticizes Forumite for not trying to figure out if Palmar/Curu are scummy townies or scum, while failing to provide any insight himself. It is obvious that prplhz is not trying to bring clarity to the thread, but is rather trying to stir doubt. Yet after the lynch, he claims (using sarcasm) that he was instrumental in Palmar's lynch. This is clearly not true. prplhz is trying to claim undeserved credit for Palmar's lynch. There is no reason for a townie to do this. Thus, prplhz is mafia. You know, it's kinda funny how much Incog has been a hypocrite this game. He hasn't followed his own advice for townies, he accuses prpl for not having a pro-town agenda when his is one of the most anti-town in the game, and continues to spew garbage. Just look at this "analysis" of prpl. It isn't analysis, it's a wall of fluff. All game Incog has been insinuating that he's been producing things of value, particularly in his fantastical "PM land." Have any of you seen these supposed things of value? Have any of you seen what Incog has contributed to this town? I certainly haven't. Instead, Incog has been acting exactly like the type of player he's targetting; like a scummy lurker. I'm not being a hypocrite. If you see my play, it obviously has an agenda behind it. Maybe its not the most transparent agenda, but unlike all you guys spamming up the thread and pointing fingers at the same 8 people who keep posting, I'm trying to figure stuff out. If someone can tell me where these players have been and why they are being ignored, please let me know: sinani Nisani risk.nuke jcarl erandorr NotChezinu Lucidity Kenpachi DropBear supersoft sevryn It should be fairly obvious that the mafia the mafia were weak and disorganized day 1, as they couldn't stop the fast Palmar lynch. This means that the mafia are most likely in the pool of less active posters. Take a look at the latest vote count: PalmarCuru* supersoft Mig* jcarlsoniv Erandorr <-- error in vote count Forumite Jackal58
prplhzrisk.nuke Starred players are the ones who instigated the list. Palmar was lynched with relatively few voters, but because the vote was split among so many candidates, it was pretty safe to say that by the 4th or 5th vote, this was a sealed deal (the next highest lynch candidate had 2 votes). Looking at the placement of jackal and prplhz as two confirmed town on the end of the list, I'm going to go out and say that mafia weren't really around for this lynch. It doesn't make sense for mafia to jump on as early as jcarlsoniv, and maybe even Erandorr. Although weaker since jackal/prplhz are town, risk.nuke/Forumite look quite suspicious here. I'll wait for some of my PMs to come back but I'm looking hard at them right now. Either way, back to wbg's point, even if I've been a hypocrite, how does that make me mafia? He is seriously blowing my scumminess out of proportion. He accuses me of not being openly useful and thus not having a pro-town agenda. It should be fairly obvious that unlike some of the people who are jumping on the easy votes (the votes on wherebugsgo/me), I'm actually trying to dig deeper. Anyone who has been in PM contact with me should be able to tell that I actually am trying to figure stuff out and that I actually care about the town. My posts are not fluff, they show that I am genuinely contributing to the game. I haven't seen a serious analysis from anyone this game, except for Mig. Gonna look seriously into the pool of inactives, especialy risk.nuke/Forumite, as I'm not convinced right now that any of the same 8 active posters are mafia.
It's convenient to leave out little things like that, eh?
He tried to softly defend incognito, but caved in after talking to mig. That does not sound like him trying to have doubts, thats him trying to get some towncred on the way.
Did I not straight up defend Incog? That was a soft defense? I straight up said that I didn't think that this would be Incog's scum play, and that I thought it highly unlikely that he was scum. This was the beginning of the day of Incog's lynch.
I then spoke with Mig because I needed to talk about it with someone. I was inclined to listen to his judgement because he has a reputation. I'm flattered that you think I'm a vet, though.
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