EPTWhat I'm curious about the way Drazerk said it: "Curu just confirmed that prp was hit twice". Why wouldn't he say "I blocked a hit on prp, though he still died, that must've been a double hit".
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raynpelikoneet
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What I'm curious about the way Drazerk said it: "Curu just confirmed that prp was hit twice". Why wouldn't he say "I blocked a hit on prp, though he still died, that must've been a double hit". | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
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On September 26 2011 08:29 Curu wrote: A message has been delivered to all within the realm! The message reads: There is a third party scum team who have yet to lose a member. Also, this. If these messages really are from mafia as i believe, they want us to think there is a 3rd party TEAM, which i don't see probable. Yes, there definetly is Gollum out there who strangles people and might even have the ring now that frodo is dead. Mafias reasoning for this message could be to distract us. If anyone hits a 3rd party, town would still think there is another out there. So be curious about this one. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 26 2011 20:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think it was already asked and answered, that medic and his target get notified if the target was hit. What I'm curious about the way Drazerk said it: "Curu just confirmed that prp was hit twice". Why wouldn't he say "I blocked a hit on prp, though he still died, that must've been a double hit". I think you've been over reacting. It makes sense that Curu telling him which target got hit would confirm his suspicions that prpl was double hit. And I believe your speculation is correct: that gollum killed prpl. Makes sense cuz prpl said he had the Ring, and gollum definitely wants the Ring. So that means: supersoft killed by scum (1), scum hit blocked by Drazerk (benefit of the doubt for now) (2), gollum strangles prpl (assumed 3rd party hit) (3), and then did someone else claim to be hit? I'm on my phone so it's not easy to check. If so, that's 4 kp when I would only expect 2 scum kp. There are definitely some beefy powers in this game though, so maybe it was a special scum power? Also, I agree with Palmar that kita should be looked at. I said something about him day2, but I didn't pursue it. He laid out ground rules for iGrok, but then when iGrok followed 0 of the rules, kita didn't say anything about it. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On September 26 2011 20:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also, this. If these messages really are from mafia as i believe, they want us to think there is a 3rd party TEAM, which i don't see probable. Yes, there definetly is Gollum out there who strangles people and might even have the ring now that frodo is dead. Mafias reasoning for this message could be to distract us. If anyone hits a 3rd party, town would still think there is another out there. So be curious about this one. If there was two seperate scum teams, it'd be Sauron and Saruman imo, unless not reading the books means missing another major faction. Igrok's ability leads me to believe that Saruman and Sauron are on the same team + Show Spoiler [Ability in question] + Passive Ability [Oneshot]Whatever my Master Desires: You were bred for the sole purpose of serving your masters, Sauron and Saruman So I doubt it's true. As for Gollum having the ring, if the strangulation is indeed Gollum, unless someone is Bilbo Baggins, he definitely has it now if he didn't already. | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
So let's get back on track of finding someone to actually lynch: On September 26 2011 18:59 Archon_Toilet wrote: OriginalName was pretty clearly the mafia's alternative bandwagon to iGrok. I'm pretty comfortable with him being a townie. Meh, this is WIFOM at best. The way I saw it, ON being named by iGrok meant that he likely really is scum, probably even Saruman. At the time he made the claim, out of 17 total votes there were: iGrok - 9 Palmar - 2 OriginalName - 2 If I were mafia, I would totally name Saruman in that situation. If the accusation got ignored and iGrok was lynched anyway, Saruman would gain a shit ton of town cred for being accused by scum, while if the bandwagon really did form, then iGrok's nonsense would have been "confirmed." Either way, scum gain a "confirmed not mafia" status for one of them. Throw on top of there, the fact that scum were trying to bus/cast doubt on iGrok from the get-go: radfield challenging iGrok - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11428489 and again - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11446904 and again - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11457496 This was part of the reason why I was so inclined to believe iGrok in the first place. I mean it was radfield who was the first to really cast doubt on iGrok in the first place. To me this screams that iGrok was meant to flip, so as far as I'm concerned anything that we'd normally interpret from iGrok's lynch is probably the opposite of what we'd normally learn. In this case, it means that OriginalName really is scum. Also for what it's worth, supersoft voted for iGrok and flipped town, and I can assure you that I'm town. Dunno about heist or cheese, but just because we didn't bandwagon on iGrok doesn't mean we're scum. ---------------------------------------------- Now I don't know if I'm gonna be able to convince anyone of OriginalName being scum at this point, so I'll try to make a case for one of the other likely scum: GGQ If we look at DrH, radfield, and even iGrok, one thing that you'll notice is their exceptionally high level of activity and thread presence (in the case of iGrok, I'm referring to how he stood out with regard to his claim rather than his actual thread activity). This strikes me as somewhat odd for a scum team, which leads me to believe that the remaining scum have been and are actively lurking in the thread. The first name that comes to mind in this regard is GGQ. So what has GGQ done this game? 1. said iGrok was scum (but given radfield was also doing the same, it's a null read) 2. then responds when radfield asks iGrok to kill GGQ in the thread (the scum conversations in this game so far are really weird, yall should check them out, lol) 3. calls out chaosers weird claim 4. questions why heist started accusing ON 5. says that everyone who tried to save iGrok yesterday is scum So what's so weird about that? Well aside from it not being a whole lot, there's the fact that aside from iGrok, he's never really taken a stand against anyone else at all in the game. He's barely given any analysis either. That in and of itself should scream that he could be scum, but let's throw on some meta as well... The last time I played a game with GGQ (mafia XL), first of all he was infinitely more helpful to town, and second, he was double hit night 1 by an iGrok(GF)-led scum team. GGQ's town meta was so strong that iGrok made sure he died night 1 - pretty ridiculous eh? Well in this game, despite GGQ's correct identification of iGrok as scum on day 1, he's still alive and kicking. Kind of weird, right? A lot of that is WIFOM and/or meta, which isn't the most reliable, but the fact that there really isn't anything else to go on in terms of deciding whether he's town or not is a pretty significant concern in and of itself. GGQ is really strong player, why isn't he contributing more? TLDNR: I still think ON is scum, but I'm highly suspicious of GGQ as well. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On September 26 2011 08:26 Palmar wrote: I need to re-read them all again to decide that. Initially I think Kita is the safest lynch. His ability is very... weird, it's a version of tracker that's very seldom in play, and generally the blue roles have been much more notable characters than that elf he claimed. You've got to be kidding me. Me: Yo chaoser, you killed a dude last night. chaoser: Yep Palmar: lol lynch kita, he's lying How does this make sense at all? Do you think I just magically guessed it? The only other possible explanation would be that I was somehow in contact with chaoser and knew that he was shooting, which is most certainly not true. Town needs to wake up because we are far closer to LyLo than it may seem. With the four kp last night, the lynch, and chaoser's SK kp there is the chance of up six deaths per cycle. To win, town needs to kill the 2-3 remaining scum, chaoser the Serial Killer, and possibly a third party Gollum. That's 4-5 more correct lynches/shots that we still need to go through in order to reach the town win condition. With only 9-10 town currently remaining, we can't afford to mislynch. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Palmar
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raynpelikoneet
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On September 26 2011 22:20 kitaman27 wrote: You've got to be kidding me. Me: Yo chaoser, you killed a dude last night. chaoser: Yep Palmar: lol lynch kita, he's lying How does this make sense at all? Do you think I just magically guessed it? The only other possible explanation would be that I was somehow in contact with chaoser and knew that he was shooting, which is most certainly not true. Town needs to wake up because we are far closer to LyLo than it may seem. With the four kp last night, the lynch, and chaoser's SK kp there is the chance of up six deaths per cycle. To win, town needs to kill the 2-3 remaining scum, chaoser the Serial Killer, and possibly a third party Gollum. That's 4-5 more correct lynches/shots that we still need to go through in order to reach the town win condition. With only 9-10 town currently remaining, we can't afford to mislynch. Now, what do we know about chaoser? He claimed Boromir. He shot mafia. He was RB last night (or lying). That makes his certainly not mafia right? Then Palmar claimed Faramir. So here are following scenarios: chaoser SK / Palmar town given the claims they made i don't think this would be possible chaoser SK / Palmar mafia why would mafia protect SK? chaoser SK / Palmar SK (working together) could be, altough i still believe boromir&faramir are both in the game, and not as safeclaims chaoser town / Palmar mafia no need to Palmar fakeclaim and defend chaoser chaoser town / Palmar town most likely answer chaoser town / Palmar SK could be, altough i don't see a reason for Palmar to fakeclaim, again If chaoser was in fact mafia, they would need to have an extremely brave strategy in bussing/killing nearly all their teammates, and it would all fall apart just if ppl didn't believe chaoser in a first place. Also, kitaman you could be some kinda mafia stalker role. Also, i think you are wise enough to figure out chaosers requirements for killing. If I'm right about it, it fits into his claim fairly well. BTW. Who did you check last night and what's the result? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On September 24 2011 10:28 OriginalName wrote: Also look how he claims that he checked the only person to really recieve any attention at all when he posts it. His check is bullshit, his kill is a mafia kill, there is no reason to suspect somebody who has already probably lied, sure he abides by his so called "claim" but what reason do we have to believe it. In my eyes iGrok is completely scum regardless of team or otherwise and has to go today. Lying or not its one less KP in the game. iGrok wasn't necessarily lying? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On September 26 2011 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now, what do we know about chaoser? He claimed Boromir. He shot mafia. He was RB last night (or lying). That makes his certainly not mafia right? Then Palmar claimed Faramir. So here are following scenarios: chaoser SK / Palmar town given the claims they made i don't think this would be possible chaoser SK / Palmar mafia why would mafia protect SK? chaoser SK / Palmar SK (working together) could be, altough i still believe boromir&faramir are both in the game, and not as safeclaims chaoser town / Palmar mafia no need to Palmar fakeclaim and defend chaoser chaoser town / Palmar town most likely answer chaoser town / Palmar SK could be, altough i don't see a reason for Palmar to fakeclaim, again If chaoser was in fact mafia, they would need to have an extremely brave strategy in bussing/killing nearly all their teammates, and it would all fall apart just if ppl didn't believe chaoser in a first place. Also, kitaman you could be some kinda mafia stalker role. Also, i think you are wise enough to figure out chaosers requirements for killing. If I'm right about it, it fits into his claim fairly well. BTW. Who did you check last night and what's the result? I'm not sure I understand your scenarios, particularly the first and fourth one. We seem to agree that its pretty unlikely he is mafia due to the radfield shot, but I don't see how Palmar claiming Faramir makes chaoser town. The OP stated that ALL non-town players are provided with safe claims. Boromir was chaoser's safe claim. The flaw in your argument is that you are assumming he is Boromir. How do I know he is not Boromir? Because he claimed to be a bulletproof compulsive vigilante. It is extremely, extremely rare for a town to get a bulletproof player. It is extremely, extremeley rare for a town to get a compulsive vigilante. It is completely insane to think town gets a bulletproof compulsive vigilante. Even a 23 vanilla town, 1 town bulletproof compulsive vigilante, 6 scum setup would be questionable balance wise. To have a setup with a jailkeeper, medic, bodyguard, mason, 2x jack of all trades (!!!), 2x vigilante, plus any other blues that haven't flipped, on top of a bulletproof compulsive vigilante? It's just not reasonable to continue to argue that chaoser is not the serial killer. Serial Killers are bulletproof and can shoot every night. That fits his claimed role EXACTLY. What we should be discussing today, is whether or not be should be lynching chaoser/a mafia candidate, not whether or not he is town. The person I checked did not perform a kill last night. I won't say whether or not they performed a different action, because there is no reason to give scum information about who might be blue or vanilla townie. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
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So what do you think about Palmar backing up chaoser then? | ||
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Palmar
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Palmar is probably town, but the bulletproof vigilante thing is way too op with all the power roles that flipped. | ||
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Palmar
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On September 26 2011 23:44 Palmar wrote: I think scenario 1 is quite likely. Palmar is probably town, but the bulletproof vigilante thing is way too op with all the power roles that flipped. Lol, what the shit you dumbass, can't you see that they're really two SK's who figured each other out, then the bastard mod allowed them to PM each other. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On September 26 2011 23:45 Palmar wrote: Lol, what the shit you dumbass, can't you see that they're really two SK's who figured each other out, then the bastard mod allowed them to PM each other. Not a fucking chance you moron, is your theory really based on assuming the mod is a bastard mod? What the hell? I don't even know why we're discussing this, ON or Kita should be up for scrutinity. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Palmar
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On September 26 2011 23:46 Palmar wrote: Not a fucking chance you moron, is your theory really based on assuming the mod is a bastard mod? What the hell? I don't even know why we're discussing this, ON or Kita should be up for scrutinity. But what if they're both mafia? I know it seems like a stretch seeing as Palmar's been pushing for iGrok's lynch since day 2, shouting at people they're morons for not voting him. but maybe it's an elaborate plan. | ||
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