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On September 28 2011 00:10 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +Are you honestly still arguing that I'm lying about my tracking claim?
I SAW YOU KILL SOMEONE.
Yes, I didn't immediately claim, but you can't continue to deny the fact that I tracked you. You already admitted it.
You and Palmar are really going all out to push me. 3rd party sticking together? :p
At first I figured yes you did track me but as I thought about it I realized the claim made no sense because it was basically a gimped tracker. When Day 4 flipped and I read over the thread I realized that Radfield at that point was already saying in thread that I was third party. It a very very small jump from Radfield thinking I'm SK to you taking a risk and saying you tracked me to a kill but have no idea who I killed, trying to trap me on the prp/radfield kill difference.
In XXXIX you correctly called me out as Vet day 1 on your QT as mafia, I don't put it past you to do something like this which is try to call me out as SK and get me lynched You're a good mafia player and it shows. Too bad this time I'm still alive and I'm coming for you. Things haven't been going well for me recently but I've seen through your scumminess and you're going down. Debts are always repaid. The fact that things don't add up and that you're now not even denying you went after me more than after iGrok shows that you've got nothing. Bye Bye.[/QUOTE]
Added in quantifying statements in bold because I had to go to the bathroom and didn't post all that I meant to say.
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On September 28 2011 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
There were 20+ players in the game. Its unreasonable to think I would just risk a tracker claim and hope I was right. If the 1/20+ odds don't go my way, then I'm lynched for lying. The fact is, I am a tracker and I wasn't lying. As for being a mafia tracker, I don't recall ever playing in a game where scum could track people. Even it its possible, 99% of the time, the tracker is town aligned. Don't overthink this.
Also, isn't it convenient that nobody else is committing one way or another until they see where the safe lynch is? People like draz have completely disappeared.
I fake claimed as DT in a game where a watcher, a DT, a tracker, and another DT were either flipped from death or accounted for by claiming in the thread and I ended up winning the game as mafia without being lynched. Fake claiming is not really that big a risk. At the least, as iGrok showed, your teammates can bus you if needed. This risk is even less in this game especially since it is a closed setup game where we don't know the roles and also the number of roles that exist. This makes it's very very possible to fake claim and get away with it. Of course I'm not trying to convince you that you fake claimed lol, I'm trying to convince others.
Your play makes no sense for someone who is a proclaimed tracker, not to mention the fact that you were townie in two previous other games and mafia thought it prudent to kill you off day 1. Now that you've claimed tracker, mafia doesn't kill you? They don't even roleblock you. You're a good player with a blue information role and instead they shoot supersoft? Someone that they didn't know was blue over someone that they knew was blue? That doesn't seem right at all.
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On September 28 2011 00:58 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 28 2011 00:52 Drazerk wrote:
Rayn -
I protected chaoser because I think he's lying about being bulletproof - I even said that the day he claimed. I already explained that I lied about finding the role blocker so Mafia would kill me last night. I didn't know I would survive today and to be honest it would of been better had they killed me. I did my job last night and ill be role blocked tonight so you idiots can lynch me tomorrow. How do you explain the mafia hit on prplhz when you clearly stated you are protecting him last night? And the fact that you know it was a double hit? These both together makes you look so scummy i can't even explain. medics are clearly told that they protected their target from a hit the previous night. If it was unblockable I wouldn't of gotten that message. It is as simple as that. also I don't think mafia are stupid enough to hit SS and I can probably guess that they hit me unless a vigilante wants to own up to it.
I assume SS hit you.
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And the fact that you know it was a double hit?
I didn't ask how did you find out that prp was double hit
Clearly you DID ask it...
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On September 28 2011 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 01:28 Palmar wrote:
it makes no sense for mafia to claim what drazerk has claimed. If he was actually mafia he could've just said he protected me (I got iGrok lyncheD), chaoser (could be a vigi, although he's an SK), or Kita (claimed tracker).
Drazerkery is not scum, he's bad, but not scum.
Mafia claiming has been senseless througout the game already. How would you explain the fact that Drazerk protected prplhz, was not RB, and still there was a mafia hit on prp?
One simple way that might be possible is because they wanted to use their roleblock for me. I was more of a THREAT. They thought I was going to shoot kitaman last night and that would have meant they would be down to 1 KP tonight for sure. So they roleblocked me. Better to protect one of their own than to make sure they 100% kill someone. They then shoot prp and supersoft, knowing that gollum would obviously be going for frodo. They were hoping that they, if there was a protect like drazerk said there would be, would be the later shot when compared to gollum. That way they would get the ring. Obviously gollum was better at timing and got the later shot, getting the ring.
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Basically they gambled with timing. Either Drazerk was bluffing and would protect prplhz, thinking to protect kitaman instead and so an early shot would be good. Or Drazerk WOULD protect prplhz and shooting later was better. All of this hinges on the fact though that they were scared of my shot so they roleblocked me over Drazerk. I don't know if any of this is true but this would be a possible way to explain the shots.
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On September 28 2011 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 01:43 Drazerk wrote:On September 28 2011 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 28 2011 01:38 Drazerk wrote:On September 28 2011 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 28 2011 01:28 Palmar wrote:
it makes no sense for mafia to claim what drazerk has claimed. If he was actually mafia he could've just said he protected me (I got iGrok lyncheD), chaoser (could be a vigi, although he's an SK), or Kita (claimed tracker).
Drazerkery is not scum, he's bad, but not scum.
Mafia claiming has been senseless througout the game already. How would you explain the fact that Drazerk protected prplhz, was not RB, and still there was a mafia hit on prp? I wasn't role blocked because they tried to kill me ( They failed thanks to the second medic ) and they role blocked chaoser who was going to kill one of them last night and possibly reduce them a KP. To be more clear, why would mafia hit prplhz when they clearly know you are going to protect him, and they clearly know you are not going to be roleblocked?Could you answer to the actual question please? They didn't know I was going to protect him... lol Of course they did, as you told them before nightkills.
Just because a person says something doesn't mean they'd do it. It's part of WIFOM and that's how medics get more utility.
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On September 28 2011 01:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 01:43 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 28 2011 01:28 Palmar wrote:
it makes no sense for mafia to claim what drazerk has claimed. If he was actually mafia he could've just said he protected me (I got iGrok lyncheD), chaoser (could be a vigi, although he's an SK), or Kita (claimed tracker).
Drazerkery is not scum, he's bad, but not scum.
Mafia claiming has been senseless througout the game already. How would you explain the fact that Drazerk protected prplhz, was not RB, and still there was a mafia hit on prp? One simple way that might be possible is because they wanted to use their roleblock for me. I was more of a THREAT. They thought I was going to shoot kitaman last night and that would have meant they would be down to 1 KP tonight for sure. So they roleblocked me. Better to protect one of their own than to make sure they 100% kill someone. They then shoot prp and supersoft, knowing that gollum would obviously be going for frodo. They were hoping that they, if there was a protect like drazerk said there would be, would be the later shot when compared to gollum. That way they would get the ring. Obviously gollum was better at timing and got the later shot, getting the ring. That is imo quite a gamble.
And not roleblocking me and letting me potentially kill kitaman/one of their member isn't a gamble? Everything in this game is a gamble. Look at all the stuff mafia has done so far. It's all been gambles. iGrok claiming third party off 3 votes is a HUGE gamble.
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On September 28 2011 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 01:47 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 01:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 28 2011 01:43 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 28 2011 01:28 Palmar wrote:
it makes no sense for mafia to claim what drazerk has claimed. If he was actually mafia he could've just said he protected me (I got iGrok lyncheD), chaoser (could be a vigi, although he's an SK), or Kita (claimed tracker).
Drazerkery is not scum, he's bad, but not scum.
Mafia claiming has been senseless througout the game already. How would you explain the fact that Drazerk protected prplhz, was not RB, and still there was a mafia hit on prp? One simple way that might be possible is because they wanted to use their roleblock for me. I was more of a THREAT. They thought I was going to shoot kitaman last night and that would have meant they would be down to 1 KP tonight for sure. So they roleblocked me. Better to protect one of their own than to make sure they 100% kill someone. They then shoot prp and supersoft, knowing that gollum would obviously be going for frodo. They were hoping that they, if there was a protect like drazerk said there would be, would be the later shot when compared to gollum. That way they would get the ring. Obviously gollum was better at timing and got the later shot, getting the ring. That is imo quite a gamble. And not roleblocking me and letting me potentially kill kitaman/one of their member isn't a gamble? Everything in this game is a gamble. Look at all the stuff mafia has done so far. It's all been gambles. iGrok claiming third party off 3 votes is a HUGE gamble. That one i'd rather call a stupid gamble.
Which one is a stupid gamble? Please post more clearly and not just in one liners. I have a hard time understanding/following your thoughts
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On September 28 2011 01:57 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 01:53 Palmar wrote:On September 28 2011 01:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 28 2011 01:45 Palmar wrote:
Bro!
I'm trying to help you here, drop the Drazerk issue, just kill Kitaman. Don't hesitate bro, there is a lot of time left for me to make up my mind. Although i may or may not be here when the dayphase ends, so better be answering. Otherwise all the other noobs may fiollow me and youre gonna get lynched. yeah whatever. This is fucking terrible, the entire game has consisted of bad town decisions because they're afraid of being wrong. Just trust me, I'm awesome at this. Kitaman is scum. Drazerk isn't. Whatever, this is stupid. I'm off, enjoy fucking failing again town. How can you seriously expect us to listen to you if you post like this? If I came in here and posted this stuff I can guarantee you would be jumping all over it.
To be truthful, I'm currently also really annoyed by the rest of town for being, for a lack of a better word, stupid. That fact that people are being non-commital about a vote, especially with such a strong case on Kitaman's wack ass claim as well as when he posted his tracking results followed by a complete backstep on several things he said he would do but then never did.
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On September 28 2011 02:07 GreYMisT wrote:
One interesting thing I have found is that, during the iGrok lynch Kitaman came out and said he saw chaoser kill someone, and clearly indicated that he did not believe his claim. However, he supported the iGrok lynch over chaoser that day. With that kind of information and belief, you would think that you would have pushed for chaoser to die a little more. If it is true that iGrok was planned by scum to die, this line of actions would make sense for kitaman.
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Did you not read my post on kitaman at all? He doen't "lynch igrok over me", he "votes with the rest of town after pushing unsuccessfully for my lynch." And also that day I FUCKING SHOT A MAFIA! The plan for mafia wasn't to buss iGrok no matter what, it was to buy as many days as possible and then buss him when needed. The mood in thread yesterday was "lynch iGrok" so they didn't have a chance to buy one more day with it.
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On September 28 2011 02:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 02:18 kitaman27 wrote:On September 28 2011 02:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 28 2011 02:09 kitaman27 wrote:On September 28 2011 02:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Kita, who did you track night 1 wherebugsgo, he never left his house. Why did you track him, he was 90% sure to die night 1? Why was that? With all the confusion he was causing, a scum hit seemed unlikely. I suppose a vig shot was possible, but you don't just ignore the best choice for an information check, hoping that there is a vig in the game and they decide to shoot him night one. My day three check is still alive, however. Becouse nearly everyone was sure he was 3rd party, and as you know, mafia likes to kill 3rd parties.
Mafia doesn't like to kill 3rd parties...they would rather town dealt with third parties and then they can save their kills for blue roles and strong town players...You should have played in the simple mafia game before playing this closed setup game...
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On September 28 2011 02:30 kitaman27 wrote:I like how chaoser was perfectly fine with my tracker claim when I caught him red handed, but now that he needs a lynch to push, he completely flips. Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Kitaman, who do you think is mafia? You think chaoser is SK, this is for sure, but who is mafia? If I had to choose one person, draz seems the most likely. I just can't understand why a town medic would protect igrok night one. He was being completely useless and there was a 0% chance of him being hit. What kind of medic publicly role claims in the thread revealing their role, in order to attempt to confirm the claim of a third party? In addition, he said he claimed because he was obviously going to be hit at night. I just don't see how this makes sense. Palmar could very well be a scum gollum. Every game I've ever seen him play as scum, he always takes the pro-town stance and busses his scumbuddies at will. The remaining mafia are likely located in the group of lurkers, GGQ, ON, Archon_Toilet, Cheese, heist. With DrH, Radfield, and iGrok already flipping, there has to be at least a couple newer players. I'm not confidant enough to be willing to push any of them, so close to the lynch though. The last thing we need is another last minute swap like on day one and two.
I wasn't fine with your tracker claim, it fucking outted my blue role. I went along with it because I didn't want to lie to town. I was red handed for FUCKING KILLING A MAFIA? That's something that's suspicious now? I didn't know HELPING TOWN WIN WAS SUSPICIOUS.
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On September 28 2011 02:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I assume he meant mafia doesn't want to waste KP on 3rd part, but they're more than happy to push a lynch on 3rd party cuz, yah know, it's not one of their own.
Yes, this is correct
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On September 28 2011 02:37 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 28 2011 02:30 kitaman27 wrote:I like how chaoser was perfectly fine with my tracker claim when I caught him red handed, but now that he needs a lynch to push, he completely flips. On September 28 2011 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Kitaman, who do you think is mafia? You think chaoser is SK, this is for sure, but who is mafia? If I had to choose one person, draz seems the most likely. I just can't understand why a town medic would protect igrok night one. He was being completely useless and there was a 0% chance of him being hit. What kind of medic publicly role claims in the thread revealing their role, in order to attempt to confirm the claim of a third party? In addition, he said he claimed because he was obviously going to be hit at night. I just don't see how this makes sense. Palmar could very well be a scum gollum. Every game I've ever seen him play as scum, he always takes the pro-town stance and busses his scumbuddies at will. The remaining mafia are likely located in the group of lurkers, GGQ, ON, Archon_Toilet, Cheese, heist. With DrH, Radfield, and iGrok already flipping, there has to be at least a couple newer players. I'm not confidant enough to be willing to push any of them, so close to the lynch though. The last thing we need is another last minute swap like on day one and two. You are yourself in danger to get lynched. Why won't you push anyone? Swapping a lynch from myself to another town doesn't help us one bit. With 4-5 kp at night, we can't afford to mislynch, which is why I'm learning towards going after the sure thing. I already explained earlier that draz would probably be the person I would feel best about going after. He would probably be the only person I would consider at this point, unless something drastic happens over the next few hours.
There's not 4-5 KP at night. There's two for mafia, 1 if we lynch you and possibly one KP for me. That's a total of 2-3 for tonight. Supersoft obviously shot someone and his KP was involved last night but didn't kill anyone (possibly at Drazerk since he said he got shot and didn't die). I don't know if he's mafia or not at this point but I DO know that you are 100% mafia.
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On September 28 2011 02:47 chaoser wrote:Thank you...
Basically Curu confirmed that
1) the medic protected two people
2) the medic was informed later that one of the people he protected was hit.
So unless some other double protecting medic wants to come out, Drazerk is the medic and since he protected someone I assume his claim is true (that he didn't know who he protected at first and then he did later)
You can't fake claim that shit unless it was real lol
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On September 28 2011 02:48 kitaman27 wrote:Just because he might be a medic, doesn't mean he is town aligned. You were on my scum team for both WaW2 and Personality mafia and both games we had a scum medic on our team. I'm suspicious why you would purposely overlook this fact.
It's not about the him being medic part, it's about the "he protected someone and didn't get to know about it till later." It matches perfectly with an unfakeable claim from drazerk
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On September 28 2011 02:50 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 02:49 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 02:47 chaoser wrote:Thank you... Basically Curu confirmed that 1) the medic protected two people 2) the medic was informed later that one of the people he protected was hit. So unless some other double protecting medic wants to come out, Drazerk is the medic and since he protected someone I assume his claim is true (that he didn't know who he protected at first and then he did later) You can't fake claim that shit unless it was real lol Draz also claimed a hit, so if he is telling the truth, there must be at least 1 other protective role. With the jailer that already flipped, does it really make sense for town to have 3 medics? I think not.
There was a 2 KP jack, a 2 KP vigi, a vigi that can continually shoot that have flipped already. You think that would make sense for town to have? I think not.
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On September 28 2011 02:53 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 02:50 kitaman27 wrote:On September 28 2011 02:49 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 02:47 chaoser wrote:Thank you... Basically Curu confirmed that 1) the medic protected two people 2) the medic was informed later that one of the people he protected was hit. So unless some other double protecting medic wants to come out, Drazerk is the medic and since he protected someone I assume his claim is true (that he didn't know who he protected at first and then he did later) You can't fake claim that shit unless it was real lol Draz also claimed a hit, so if he is telling the truth, there must be at least 1 other protective role. With the jailer that already flipped, does it really make sense for town to have 3 medics? I think not. There was a 2 KP jack, a 2 KP vigi, a vigi that can continually shoot that have flipped already. You think that would make sense for town to have? I think not.
But oh wait...
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