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kitaman27
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On September 28 2011 02:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 02:37 kitaman27 wrote:On September 28 2011 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 28 2011 02:30 kitaman27 wrote:I like how chaoser was perfectly fine with my tracker claim when I caught him red handed, but now that he needs a lynch to push, he completely flips. On September 28 2011 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Kitaman, who do you think is mafia? You think chaoser is SK, this is for sure, but who is mafia? If I had to choose one person, draz seems the most likely. I just can't understand why a town medic would protect igrok night one. He was being completely useless and there was a 0% chance of him being hit. What kind of medic publicly role claims in the thread revealing their role, in order to attempt to confirm the claim of a third party? In addition, he said he claimed because he was obviously going to be hit at night. I just don't see how this makes sense. Palmar could very well be a scum gollum. Every game I've ever seen him play as scum, he always takes the pro-town stance and busses his scumbuddies at will. The remaining mafia are likely located in the group of lurkers, GGQ, ON, Archon_Toilet, Cheese, heist. With DrH, Radfield, and iGrok already flipping, there has to be at least a couple newer players. I'm not confidant enough to be willing to push any of them, so close to the lynch though. The last thing we need is another last minute swap like on day one and two. You are yourself in danger to get lynched. Why won't you push anyone? Swapping a lynch from myself to another town doesn't help us one bit. With 4-5 kp at night, we can't afford to mislynch, which is why I'm learning towards going after the sure thing. I already explained earlier that draz would probably be the person I would feel best about going after. He would probably be the only person I would consider at this point, unless something drastic happens over the next few hours. So you think, let's say me over you as townie lynched is "no point of changing"? You don't think you could do more as a town than me? I highly doubt.
I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. With the day 7/8th of the way over, we are probably past the point of convincing everyone that someone like GGQ, ON, or Archon with having enough certainity that we don't mislynch. What I'm saying is that we should narrow the lynch candidates between draz and chaoser because they are the surest thing for today.
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Just because he might be a medic, doesn't mean he is town aligned.
You were on my scum team for both WaW2 and Personality mafia and both games we had a scum medic on our team. I'm suspicious why you would purposely overlook this fact.
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On September 28 2011 02:49 chaoser wrote:Basically Curu confirmed that 1) the medic protected two people 2) the medic was informed later that one of the people he protected was hit. So unless some other double protecting medic wants to come out, Drazerk is the medic and since he protected someone I assume his claim is true (that he didn't know who he protected at first and then he did later) You can't fake claim that shit unless it was real lol
Draz also claimed a hit, so if he is telling the truth, there must be at least 1 other protective role. With the jailer that already flipped, does it really make sense for town to have 3 medics? I think not.
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On September 28 2011 02:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Sorry, i misread the other mod post. Yeah, i'm up for lynching kita.
##Unvote
##Vote Kitaman27
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GGQ, Grey, ON, Archon, Cheese, heist, Tance, Pyro...do any of you guys have an opinion or are you all going to sit back and watch the mislynch?
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That's nice. What happens when I get lynched instead of Palmar? Are you going to continue to vote for him for the rest of the game since mafia is never going to kill him?
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And what happens when I'm not? Oh wait, absolutely nothing, because you force the town to be under even more pressure to search for scum. Can't lynch the serial killer it that's the case.
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On September 28 2011 06:01 GreYMisT wrote:
After thinking it over I am inclined to believe that Chaoser is telling the truth.
1) the past 2 times he has killed, he has expressed suspicion of that person in the thread, and has attacked from a town agenda (pushed for prp's lynch day1 and a lot of us were suspicious of radfield)
2) His play does not say SK to me at all. Rather than attacking threats to himself, he is activly hunting scum
3) I dont think he is scum (because of the radfield kill)
With that said, I think Kitaman is our best canidate atm, As Chaoser pointed out there are some very odd things about the way his role claim happened. His day1 play seemed slightly off to me as well. Only did one pressure vote, didnt any real opinions, just defending/clarifying points, then jumped on the errandor wagon when it appeared. the rest has already been mentioned many times.
##Vote Kitaman
Greymist. I honestly think you are the only person in the thread that doesn't think chaoser is a serial killer. Are you still willing to reason or is this a lost cause?
This is only your 3rd-4th game, so I'm not sure if you are just unaware about how unlikely his claim is or what. In the history of team liquid mafia, there has never been a town aligned bulletproof compulsive vigilante. This role would be beyond broken for town. Even if every single one of us were vanilla town and we had 1 bulletproof compulsive vigilante, the setup would still be town favored. In there history of teamliquid mafia, there are only a handful of town aligned players who ever ever been bulletproof. You only see them in PYP games and the occassion theme game. In the history of teamliquid mafia, there have only been a handful of town aligned compulsive vigilantes. It is absolutely impossible to take two of the strongest possible roles and combining them. How can you say he is not attacking threats to himself? He has been trying to get my lynched all day long.
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On September 28 2011 06:15 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 05:52 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 05:49 TranceStorm wrote:On September 28 2011 05:45 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 05:41 TranceStorm wrote:On September 28 2011 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
There were 20+ players in the game. Its unreasonable to think I would just risk a tracker claim and hope I was right. If the 1/20+ odds don't go my way, then I'm lynched for lying. The fact is, I am a tracker and I wasn't lying. As for being a mafia tracker, I don't recall ever playing in a game where scum could track people. Even it its possible, 99% of the time, the tracker is town aligned. Don't overthink this.
Also, isn't it convenient that nobody else is committing one way or another until they see where the safe lynch is? People like draz have completely disappeared. I really really want to believe that kitaman is mafia, but this is the stumbling block for me. I find it super suspicious that the one information role who has scum-hunting abilities was not even touched by the mafia who decided to hit an assortment of other players instead. But at the same time, kitaman did call out chaoser correctly, and I don't think a tracker would be useful at all in the hands of mafia. Chaoser makes some arguments about how kitaman made a massive gamble and what not, but that's got a really really low chance of success (must less than even iGrok's gamble) and I don't think the mafia would take that risk. On the basis of his role itself, I think kitaman is not mafia. I claimed DT as mafia in a game where a tracker, a watcher, and two other DTs were out in the open. Many people sheeped me into letting the mafia win. Let's not have that happen again. Yeah but kitaman essentially confirmed his powers as tracker - not like in your previous instances. When he called you out, only 3 people had been killed that night (not including modkills). That means that he only had a 3/20ish chance of picking out the right person if he was just guessing. Not likely in my opinion. Its far more likely that he's not lying about his abilities. Radfield, who was mafia, already thought I was a third party. Him announcing it so late is also due to the fact that he was deciding on whether he wanted to do it or not. He could have claimed he tracked me early right after the flip. He waited 7 hours until he did it and when asked why he said "he wanted to see what I was going to do" except he never asks me any questions before that, never talks to me before that. It make no sense. Yeah but waiting for 7 hours doesn't change the fact that there is still only a 3/20 chance of being correct. And if he were mafia, it would be even lower because he would have had to identify the vig/3rd party. Regardless of his suspicious actions, the fact that he made that correct call is so unlikely if he were mafia.
Arguing with a serial killer is pointless. I even breadcrumbed my suspicion of him, right before the day post. It's crazy to think I didn't track him. A few games back when I was watcher, I sat on my red check an entire day before claiming. Just because I didn't instantly claim, doesn't mean the claim is fake.
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On September 28 2011 06:27 chaoser wrote:
You claimed gimped tracker...there has NEVER been such a role in TL mafia. Not in themed games, not in PYP games, not in anything. So yeah...
Are you honestly trying to argue that a nerfed tracker is more likely than a bulletproof compuslive vigilante.....
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On September 28 2011 06:27 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 06:25 kitaman27 wrote:On September 28 2011 06:01 GreYMisT wrote:
After thinking it over I am inclined to believe that Chaoser is telling the truth.
1) the past 2 times he has killed, he has expressed suspicion of that person in the thread, and has attacked from a town agenda (pushed for prp's lynch day1 and a lot of us were suspicious of radfield)
2) His play does not say SK to me at all. Rather than attacking threats to himself, he is activly hunting scum
3) I dont think he is scum (because of the radfield kill)
With that said, I think Kitaman is our best canidate atm, As Chaoser pointed out there are some very odd things about the way his role claim happened. His day1 play seemed slightly off to me as well. Only did one pressure vote, didnt any real opinions, just defending/clarifying points, then jumped on the errandor wagon when it appeared. the rest has already been mentioned many times.
##Vote Kitaman Greymist. I honestly think you are the only person in the thread that doesn't think chaoser is a serial killer. Are you still willing to reason or is this a lost cause? This is only your 3rd-4th game, so I'm not sure if you are just unaware about how unlikely his claim is or what. In the history of team liquid mafia, there has never been a town aligned bulletproof compulsive vigilante. This role would be beyond broken for town. Even if every single one of us were vanilla town and we had 1 bulletproof compulsive vigilante, the setup would still be town favored. In there history of teamliquid mafia, there are only a handful of town aligned players who ever ever been bulletproof. You only see them in PYP games and the occassion theme game. In the history of teamliquid mafia, there have only been a handful of town aligned compulsive vigilantes. It is absolutely impossible to take two of the strongest possible roles and combining them. How can you say he is not attacking threats to himself? He has been trying to get my lynched all day long. No one actually cares that he's an SK. We're lynching scum, you are a subset of scum. Are you the roleblocker?
You said just a few hours ago that you were fine with lynching the SK. You and chaoser have been buddy, buddy the entire game.
How could I be the roleblocker when I've already confirmed myself as a tracker...
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kitaman27
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On September 28 2011 06:29 GreYMisT wrote:
As far as I understand his claim, He is not compulsive, he can just shoot if certain criteria are met. I think it is possible he is SK, its just other than his role, nothing he has done has seemed SKish.
He is lying. He has no requirements. Do you think its really a coincidence he won't ever reveal them? Is it really a coincidence that he just happened to get a bulletproof role and survive the shot? It is really a coincidence that he just happened to have a kp when he got tracked? The claim was far too convenient. Fine, even if he has requirements, do you really think there is a bulletproof player in the game who can shoot? It's just so unreasonable.
Yes, other than his role he has done everything that makes him seem skish.
On day two, he 100% supports igrok after his third party claim. He makes a specific reference to the assassin game, talking about how its always a waste to lynch third party. He was keeping around igrok because it meant that iGrok would always get lynched before him. Shooting radfield is 100% in line with a sk agenda. Not only does it give him town cred as third party, it also removes the player that is most capable of leading a lynch against him.
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On September 28 2011 06:34 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 06:32 kitaman27 wrote:On September 28 2011 06:27 Palmar wrote:On September 28 2011 06:25 kitaman27 wrote:On September 28 2011 06:01 GreYMisT wrote:
After thinking it over I am inclined to believe that Chaoser is telling the truth.
1) the past 2 times he has killed, he has expressed suspicion of that person in the thread, and has attacked from a town agenda (pushed for prp's lynch day1 and a lot of us were suspicious of radfield)
2) His play does not say SK to me at all. Rather than attacking threats to himself, he is activly hunting scum
3) I dont think he is scum (because of the radfield kill)
With that said, I think Kitaman is our best canidate atm, As Chaoser pointed out there are some very odd things about the way his role claim happened. His day1 play seemed slightly off to me as well. Only did one pressure vote, didnt any real opinions, just defending/clarifying points, then jumped on the errandor wagon when it appeared. the rest has already been mentioned many times.
##Vote Kitaman Greymist. I honestly think you are the only person in the thread that doesn't think chaoser is a serial killer. Are you still willing to reason or is this a lost cause? This is only your 3rd-4th game, so I'm not sure if you are just unaware about how unlikely his claim is or what. In the history of team liquid mafia, there has never been a town aligned bulletproof compulsive vigilante. This role would be beyond broken for town. Even if every single one of us were vanilla town and we had 1 bulletproof compulsive vigilante, the setup would still be town favored. In there history of teamliquid mafia, there are only a handful of town aligned players who ever ever been bulletproof. You only see them in PYP games and the occassion theme game. In the history of teamliquid mafia, there have only been a handful of town aligned compulsive vigilantes. It is absolutely impossible to take two of the strongest possible roles and combining them. How can you say he is not attacking threats to himself? He has been trying to get my lynched all day long. No one actually cares that he's an SK. We're lynching scum, you are a subset of scum. Are you the roleblocker? You said just a few hours ago that you were fine with lynching the SK. You and chaoser have been buddy, buddy the entire game. How could I be the roleblocker when I've already confirmed myself as a tracker... mafia can share information, alternatively you guys shot chaoser and gambled him being SK. I'm fine with lynching the SK, but that's not an option now, 1h30 minutes until the lynch and he has what... 1 vote?
You switching would make it 3:2. This lynch is nowhere near decided with all the lurkers sitting back and watching.
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kitaman27
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On September 28 2011 06:29 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 06:28 kitaman27 wrote:On September 28 2011 06:15 TranceStorm wrote:On September 28 2011 05:52 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 05:49 TranceStorm wrote:On September 28 2011 05:45 chaoser wrote:On September 28 2011 05:41 TranceStorm wrote:On September 28 2011 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
There were 20+ players in the game. Its unreasonable to think I would just risk a tracker claim and hope I was right. If the 1/20+ odds don't go my way, then I'm lynched for lying. The fact is, I am a tracker and I wasn't lying. As for being a mafia tracker, I don't recall ever playing in a game where scum could track people. Even it its possible, 99% of the time, the tracker is town aligned. Don't overthink this.
Also, isn't it convenient that nobody else is committing one way or another until they see where the safe lynch is? People like draz have completely disappeared. I really really want to believe that kitaman is mafia, but this is the stumbling block for me. I find it super suspicious that the one information role who has scum-hunting abilities was not even touched by the mafia who decided to hit an assortment of other players instead. But at the same time, kitaman did call out chaoser correctly, and I don't think a tracker would be useful at all in the hands of mafia. Chaoser makes some arguments about how kitaman made a massive gamble and what not, but that's got a really really low chance of success (must less than even iGrok's gamble) and I don't think the mafia would take that risk. On the basis of his role itself, I think kitaman is not mafia. I claimed DT as mafia in a game where a tracker, a watcher, and two other DTs were out in the open. Many people sheeped me into letting the mafia win. Let's not have that happen again. Yeah but kitaman essentially confirmed his powers as tracker - not like in your previous instances. When he called you out, only 3 people had been killed that night (not including modkills). That means that he only had a 3/20ish chance of picking out the right person if he was just guessing. Not likely in my opinion. Its far more likely that he's not lying about his abilities. Radfield, who was mafia, already thought I was a third party. Him announcing it so late is also due to the fact that he was deciding on whether he wanted to do it or not. He could have claimed he tracked me early right after the flip. He waited 7 hours until he did it and when asked why he said "he wanted to see what I was going to do" except he never asks me any questions before that, never talks to me before that. It make no sense. Yeah but waiting for 7 hours doesn't change the fact that there is still only a 3/20 chance of being correct. And if he were mafia, it would be even lower because he would have had to identify the vig/3rd party. Regardless of his suspicious actions, the fact that he made that correct call is so unlikely if he were mafia. Arguing with a serial killer is pointless. I even breadcrumbed my suspicion of him, right before the day post. It's crazy to think I didn't track him. A few games back when I was watcher, I sat on my red check an entire day before claiming. Just because I didn't instantly claim, doesn't mean the claim is fake. Quote the game and post please
It was the prot game. I'm pretty sure you played too. I watched DropBear visit a kill and held off claiming to wait and see what he did.
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pyro, heist, draz, trance, would you guys be willing to put your votes on chaoser? Its a 100% thing and gives us more time tomorrow.
Right now I'm at four. Throwing 1 vote here and 1 vote there isn't going to do much for me.
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Its amazing how most people seem to agree that I'm really the tracker, yet I'm leading the lynch.
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On September 28 2011 07:21 OriginalName wrote:
Ok I personally think Kita is the scummiest person out of the viable lynch targets.
Moreover he still refuses to reveal who he tracked other than Chaoser, and while for all we know its just a gambit to buy Town-cred. Sorry I havent been all that active today yesterday was a clusterfuck and by the time I get back from classes and stuff Its around this time.
##Vote Kitaman
haha nice to see you finally show up at the last minute. Nice one.
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On September 28 2011 07:23 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 07:23 kitaman27 wrote:On September 28 2011 07:21 OriginalName wrote:
Ok I personally think Kita is the scummiest person out of the viable lynch targets.
Moreover he still refuses to reveal who he tracked other than Chaoser, and while for all we know its just a gambit to buy Town-cred. Sorry I havent been all that active today yesterday was a clusterfuck and by the time I get back from classes and stuff Its around this time.
##Vote Kitaman haha nice to see you finally show up at the last minute. Nice one. Its not like I do it on purpose ._.
Answer me this:
Do you honestly think I took a 1/20 shot and lied about tracking?
Also, why did you claim a vanilla town Arwen, the Evenstar so easily when it was clear iGrok was just fishing for blues?
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On September 28 2011 07:27 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 07:25 kitaman27 wrote:On September 28 2011 07:23 OriginalName wrote:On September 28 2011 07:23 kitaman27 wrote:On September 28 2011 07:21 OriginalName wrote:
Ok I personally think Kita is the scummiest person out of the viable lynch targets.
Moreover he still refuses to reveal who he tracked other than Chaoser, and while for all we know its just a gambit to buy Town-cred. Sorry I havent been all that active today yesterday was a clusterfuck and by the time I get back from classes and stuff Its around this time.
##Vote Kitaman haha nice to see you finally show up at the last minute. Nice one. Its not like I do it on purpose ._. Answer me this: Do you honestly think I took a 1/20 shot and lied about tracking? Also, why did you claim a vanilla town Arwen, the Evenstar so easily when it was clear iGrok was just fishing for blues? Im arwen?
huh? Then who did you claim ON?
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On September 28 2011 07:27 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 07:25 kitaman27 wrote:On September 28 2011 07:23 OriginalName wrote:On September 28 2011 07:23 kitaman27 wrote:On September 28 2011 07:21 OriginalName wrote:
Ok I personally think Kita is the scummiest person out of the viable lynch targets.
Moreover he still refuses to reveal who he tracked other than Chaoser, and while for all we know its just a gambit to buy Town-cred. Sorry I havent been all that active today yesterday was a clusterfuck and by the time I get back from classes and stuff Its around this time.
##Vote Kitaman haha nice to see you finally show up at the last minute. Nice one. Its not like I do it on purpose ._. Answer me this: Do you honestly think I took a 1/20 shot and lied about tracking? Also, why did you claim a vanilla town Arwen, the Evenstar so easily when it was clear iGrok was just fishing for blues? Then why not disclose at least 1-2 results then if your going to claim tracker than and then survive then following night something is up, for all I know both of you could be fakeclaiming and gambitting at this point its not a half bad guess.
I already did. Did you not read the entire thread yet? I claimed to track WBG on day one.
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