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kitaman27
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On September 27 2011 10:47 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 10:34 heist wrote: Sorry I've been busy. As far as I'm concerned, pushing to lynch iGrok is a null tell.
I strongly recommend looking more closely at the people who voted for Jackal day 2.
Greymist chaoser - no mafia vibe Drazerk -no mafia vibe raynpelikoneet jcarlsoniv - no mafia vibe TranceStorm OriginalName kitaman - no mafia vibe
My suspicions are largely still on ON but at this point, it's mainly because he's the only vet on the list that I have suspicions for. He should be playing better as town. I'm going to be honest, I'm not really trusting my instincts at this point.
*On Drazerk: Curu told him prplhz was hit. Drazerk knows he protected him. I think he inferred it was a stacked hit rather than unblockable.
Yeah, just got back from work and I was thinking that. ##vote kitaman confirmed medic I guess
So you're going with the confirmed tracker over the confirmed medic? Oh wait...its chaoser, nevermind.
On a side note, I've just wasted all my time on my useless 2k post. I'll try write something up here later tonight -_-
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kitaman27
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On September 27 2011 10:55 OriginalName wrote: I literally just had one of the worst mondays of my life. Ive read up.
Aww, your best buddy Kita is here for you <3
Unless of course you decide to want to lynch me.
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kitaman27
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So there were 2 hits on prp, 1 hit on supersoft, 1 hit on draz, and 1 hit rb'd from chaoser. That leaves us with 5 kp at night. Town benefits by extending the game as long as possible. By now, I think everyone is in general agreement that chaoser is the serial killer. If the fact that he is bulletproof and a compulsive vig isn't enough to convince you, just look at his response to the igrok claim on day two, where he clearly is promoting a third party agenda by arguing that it is a waste to lynch Serial Killers. The fact is, removing his kp extends the game, gives our information roles an extra opportunity to get off a check, and avoids a near game ending mislynch if we don't agree on a mafia target. The town win condition is reached when all Evil has been purged from Middle Earth. If we keep pushing off the chaoser lynch, we will eventually reach a kingmaker scenario like what happened in Ace's game.
@rayn, yesterday I agreed to switch to igrok if we ensured chaoser would be next in line. Do you still plan to vote for him?
Based on curu's response, it seems pretty likely that Draz is indeed the medic. Is he a town medic? I'm not so certain. The thing that continues to bug me is why in the world would he decide to protect igrok on day one, when he had only posted a bunch of one-liners. On top of that, why would he role claim in order to try and save who he thought was a third party. After syllo's day vig shot, there was a 95% chance that iGrok was going to get lynched because there was no way a survivor claim could survive a shot. The fact that he was willing to make his role public in order to help confirm the claim of a player who wasn't town is weird. He explained he did it because he thought he was going to get shot, which was also weird. If I had to pick one person most likely to be scum, it would probably be him.
@jcarl, who would be your top two lynch candidates today?
@ON, why did you claim a VT Arwen? If you knew iGrok is lying or fishing for roles, what was the purpose of revealing your identity with relatively no pressure?
@GGQ, heist, TranceStorm: Thoughts?
Ideally, I'd like to read through all three of their post filters to try and differentiate them, but I really have to get to bed. I'll try tomorrow morning. All three of them need to start sharing their opinions though.
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kitaman27
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On September 27 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote: kitaman on iGrok: iGrok claims third party. Kitaman says "Don't kill him, give him strict instructions and if he doesn't follow them, lynch him." iGrok proceeds to not follow said instructions. kitaman never gets on his case and votes for me first and only changes later to iGrok.
Nope, on day three I wanted you both lynched. Quit trying to argue how I favaored one over the another.
On September 27 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote: kitaman on chaoser: I claim I killed a mafia and have not only the breadcrumbs to back it up but also no one counterclaims. I never claim third party. "His powers don't make sense as a townie, he's third party, lynch him!"
Your powers don't make sense as townie, you are third party, and we should lynch you 
On September 27 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote: Firstly, my KP has already been removed from the game; as long as mafia has roleblock, they can use it on me. If I really was third party, which apparently only kitaman and not the mafia team can see (Radfield already said to town he thought I was 3rd party btw), you'd think mafia team would LOVE for me to use my KP to weed out town since at this point mafia are on the backfoot (3 dead mafia in 4 days) and I would obviously shoot townies.
Hey look, chaoser is admitting it would be the optimal play right now for a Serial Killer to shoot townies. Lets lynch him.
On September 27 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote: Secondly, no one (aside from me) knows whether I HAVE KP or not. I never said I was a compulsive vigi and it can be seen in supersoft's flip that roles with restrictive KPs exist.
So kitaman's argument about "extending the game" falls flat on its face.
Yep, pretty sure you DO HAVE A KP. You already were forced to claim that you shot twice. Don't bother responding with your "restriction" nonsense.
On September 27 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote: If I actually was a serial killer, why would I want to keep another SK alive? We obviously can't win together since SKs need to be the lat man standing to win (This is generally how it's always worked on TL Mafia.) Unless we were a team, which we aren't since iGrok flipped mafia, SK would never push for a "keep SKs alive!" platform for OTHER SKs.
As long as iGrok was alive, he would always be ahead of you in the lynch queue. Sounds like a good deal for a bulletproof serial killer. Sorry, but your time is up.
On September 27 2011 13:53 chaoser wrote:
Faulty logic will serve as your downfall kitaman. I should have gotten you lynched or shot in XXXIX. I'll be sure to do it this game. I repay all my debts.
Oh rly? You're going to try to kill me because I was scum in A DIFFERENT GAME? That's nice and relavent.
On September 27 2011 14:22 chaoser wrote: Here's what I think happened. 1) Obviously the mafia team thinks I'm third party as per Radfield's quotes 2) The mafia team saw that a kill had happened that wasn't their own (Radfield is dead) and Kitaman goes out on a limb and asked me if I had killed that night since they think I'm SK and obviously an SK would want to kill every night. 3) He claims he tracked me but doesn't say to who.
lol quote of the night. This is why you can't trust a serial killer. They only care about survival and will attack whoever is the biggest threat to them.
I did not go out on a limb. I saw you kill someone. I did not ask you if you shot anyone, I asked you who you shot. There were around 20 players left in the game. How in the world would I have known it was chaoser if I had not tracked him. You're starting to get desperate.
On September 27 2011 14:27 chaoser wrote: Kitaman has yet to name his role like he asked me to. Would giving the name of your character really be that advantageous to mafia? Also, I find it interesting that kitaman basically claimed a blue role on Day 3 and yet mafia didn't kill him, instead going for a kill on supersoft, someone that they didn't know was blue or not. Why let a tracker, even a gimped tracker survive, especially someone like kitaman who is a decent vet town player survive? One track on a mafia pulling off a kill would immediately fuck them over.
Yes, I have. Immediately after my claim. You know supersoft was a mafia kill? Is that a slip?
On September 27 2011 18:04 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 14:37 TranceStorm wrote:On September 27 2011 14:27 chaoser wrote: Kitaman has yet to name his role like he asked me to. Would giving the name of your character really be that advantageous to mafia? Also, I find it interesting that kitaman basically claimed a blue role on Day 3 and yet mafia didn't kill him, instead going for a kill on supersoft, someone that they didn't know was blue or not. Why let a tracker, even a gimped tracker survive, especially someone like kitaman who is a decent vet town player survive? One track on a mafia pulling off a kill would immediately fuck them over. He did claim that his role was "Madril, Ranger of Ithilien". But the supersoft dying instead of him is very fishy. Not even getting a roleblock seems to be very suspicious for a player who is the only player who has revealed that he has the ability to identify (somewhat) who the mafia are. If kita is scum, then so is chaoser – only way I can rationalize both claims.
Nope, I'm town. chaoser is serial killer.
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kitaman27
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On September 27 2011 13:25 GreYMisT wrote: What is your opinon on Heist Kitaman?
I'll take a look during my lunch break.
On September 27 2011 21:38 jcarlsoniv wrote: Kita - how bout this. If we don't find any scum before the end of the day, we can look at chaoser. You have wasted a lot of time pushing hard for someone who is pretty convincingly 3rd party, but would t you rather lynch scum if we can?
Yep, the only thing I'm thinking is that if we have a mislynch today, then we might never be in the position to lynch him again. He is a 100% shot, where others may only be 50/50. But yes, if we manage to nail a scum within the next 10 hours, then that would be ideal. At this point, I think draz is the most likely candidate, but he seems to have gone MIA.
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kitaman27
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Stop fishing. I know who didn't make a kill last night. As soon as I reveal who it is, mafia knows who to shoot at night. If they are in trouble with a lynch, I'll claim to save them. I might consider claiming tonight before the day post in case I get shot.
I've already confirmed my role as the tracker, so I see little reason why I should provide more information to mafia than necessary.
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kitaman27
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Now that you're around, wanna explain that Gollum sequence you had? Or are you going to pretend it never happened.
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kitaman27
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Are you claiming that you know scum shot supersoft?
How do you know they didn't shoot draz and prp? Or double stack prp? Slip?
If you want to play this game, why weren't you shot? You called yourself a confirmed town in the thread, claimed Faramir, a likely blue, and are a veteran as well. Why is the medic claim still alive 2 days after claiming? Only scum know the reasoning for their shots, but I'm guessing trying to get the ring is at the top of their agenda.
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kitaman27
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On September 27 2011 23:33 chaoser wrote:You say nothing about tracking me till 6 hours later, that's 7 hours since the flip: Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 22:17 kitaman27 wrote: sup chaoser, I saw you return to your house with blood on your hands. Which kill are you claiming?
Sincerely, Your number one stalker. I later question you as to why you posted that so late and you respond with: Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 00:50 kitaman27 wrote: Because I wanted to see your agenda for day three? Are you saying I didn't watch you kill someone? :/ And yet between the flip and you saying you tracked me 6 hours later, not once did you ask me what my opinions are of people, what I thought of the situation of town, or who I thought were mafia. If you really "wanted to see my agenda" you would have done as such instead of waiting around posting nothing at me, instead of asking questions to greymist and ciryandor.
Are you honestly still arguing that I'm lying about my tracking claim?
I SAW YOU KILL SOMEONE.
Yes, I didn't immediately claim, but you can't continue to deny the fact that I tracked you. You already admitted it.
You and Palmar are really going all out to push me. 3rd party sticking together? :p
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kitaman27
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On September 27 2011 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 23:56 Palmar wrote: raynpeli, just lynch kita today with us, we can murder drazerk tomorrow.
I'm 100% he's scum I'm heavily leaning towards scum on kita too, so i don't really care which one is on the line today. Let's see what they have to say about these accusations.
Are you kidding me? Palmar repeating it 100 times doesn't make it true. Don't let them push an awful mislynch like this.
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kitaman27
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On September 28 2011 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: And don't worry, i won't let anyone lead me to think who should or shouldn't be lynched. I've learned my lesson in day 2 already.
Do you honestly buy chaoser's arguement that I'm not a tracker and that I magically just guessed that he killed someone?
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kitaman27
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There were 20+ players in the game. Its unreasonable to think I would just risk a tracker claim and hope I was right. If the 1/20+ odds don't go my way, then I'm lynched for lying. The fact is, I am a tracker and I wasn't lying. As for being a mafia tracker, I don't recall ever playing in a game where scum could track people. Even it its possible, 99% of the time, the tracker is town aligned. Don't overthink this.
Also, isn't it convenient that nobody else is committing one way or another until they see where the safe lynch is? People like draz have completely disappeared.
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kitaman27
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On September 28 2011 01:30 Palmar wrote: List of people you're allowed to lynch:
Kitaman (Mafia) Chaoser (SK)
obviously we should just kill kitaman, as chaoser can be lynched as soon as he has a bad shot.
How about we lynch him BEFORE he has a bad shot? He admitted earlier that a SK will probably be aiming for town. If we mislynch today, its incredibly likely that we won't have another opporunity like this. draz and chaoser should be the only two people considered with the cycle being 7/8ths over. I'm not sold on heist enough yet to be willing to risk a lynch over a sure thing.
On September 28 2011 01:46 Palmar wrote: or chaoser, I actually don't mind killing sks
Could have fooled me.
Also, why are we all automatically assuming Gollum isn't scum?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings#Main_characters
Under the antagonists we have Sauron (DrH) Wormtongue (Radfield) Saruman (mentioned in igrok's flip) Gollum
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kitaman27
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On September 28 2011 02:01 jcarlsoniv wrote: Kita, who did you track night 1
wherebugsgo, he never left his house.
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kitaman27
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On September 28 2011 02:07 GreYMisT wrote: One interesting thing I have found is that, during the iGrok lynch Kitaman came out and said he saw chaoser kill someone, and clearly indicated that he did not believe his claim. However, he supported the iGrok lynch over chaoser that day. With that kind of information and belief, you would think that you would have pushed for chaoser to die a little more. If it is true that iGrok was planned by scum to die, this line of actions would make sense for kitaman.
Sigh, so first I'm guilty for pushing chaoser, and now I'm guilty for pushing iGrok? Both had to die. Once most of town agreed that chaoser was the serial killer, I was willing to switch to iGrok.
On September 24 2011 02:19 kitaman27 wrote: Look, we both agree iGrok can't be allowed to live to engame. If he gets lynched today, then that's fine by me. If there is a chance he is scum, not survivor, it might even be a better choice to kill him first. However, there is no doubt in my mind that chaoser is not town.
It was pretty unlikely that chaoser was scum, rather than serial killer, so I swapped to iGrok first in order to possibly reduce the town kp. Now that iGrok is dead, chaoser obviously needs someone to push in order to save his own hide so he chose the person that is most likely to push him. Trying to argue that I'm not a tracker is nonsense.
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kitaman27
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On September 28 2011 02:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 02:09 kitaman27 wrote:On September 28 2011 02:01 jcarlsoniv wrote: Kita, who did you track night 1 wherebugsgo, he never left his house. Why did you track him, he was 90% sure to die night 1?
Why was that? With all the confusion he was causing, a scum hit seemed unlikely. I suppose a vig shot was possible, but you don't just ignore the best choice for an information check, hoping that there is a vig in the game and they decide to shoot him night one. My day three check is still alive, however.
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kitaman27
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I like how chaoser was perfectly fine with my tracker claim when I caught him red handed, but now that he needs a lynch to push, he completely flips.
On September 28 2011 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Kitaman, who do you think is mafia? You think chaoser is SK, this is for sure, but who is mafia?
If I had to choose one person, draz seems the most likely. I just can't understand why a town medic would protect igrok night one. He was being completely useless and there was a 0% chance of him being hit. What kind of medic publicly role claims in the thread revealing their role, in order to attempt to confirm the claim of a third party? In addition, he said he claimed because he was obviously going to be hit at night. I just don't see how this makes sense.
Palmar could very well be a scum gollum. Every game I've ever seen him play as scum, he always takes the pro-town stance and busses his scumbuddies at will. The remaining mafia are likely located in the group of lurkers, GGQ, ON, Archon_Toilet, Cheese, heist. With DrH, Radfield, and iGrok already flipping, there has to be at least a couple newer players. I'm not confidant enough to be willing to push any of them, so close to the lynch though. The last thing we need is another last minute swap like on day one and two.
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kitaman27
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[QUOTE]On September 28 2011 02:26 chaoser wrote: Mafia doesn't like to kill 3rd parties...QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On September 28 2011 02:26 chaoser wrote: Mafia doesn't like to kill 3rd parties...QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On September 28 2011 02:26 chaoser wrote: Mafia doesn't like to kill 3rd parties...QUOTE]
I'm trying to get you killed, you're 3rd party. I'm not mafia! Yay chaoser!
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kitaman27
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On September 28 2011 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 02:30 kitaman27 wrote:I like how chaoser was perfectly fine with my tracker claim when I caught him red handed, but now that he needs a lynch to push, he completely flips. On September 28 2011 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Kitaman, who do you think is mafia? You think chaoser is SK, this is for sure, but who is mafia? If I had to choose one person, draz seems the most likely. I just can't understand why a town medic would protect igrok night one. He was being completely useless and there was a 0% chance of him being hit. What kind of medic publicly role claims in the thread revealing their role, in order to attempt to confirm the claim of a third party? In addition, he said he claimed because he was obviously going to be hit at night. I just don't see how this makes sense. Palmar could very well be a scum gollum. Every game I've ever seen him play as scum, he always takes the pro-town stance and busses his scumbuddies at will. The remaining mafia are likely located in the group of lurkers, GGQ, ON, Archon_Toilet, Cheese, heist. With DrH, Radfield, and iGrok already flipping, there has to be at least a couple newer players. I'm not confidant enough to be willing to push any of them, so close to the lynch though. The last thing we need is another last minute swap like on day one and two. You are yourself in danger to get lynched. Why won't you push anyone?
Swapping a lynch from myself to another town doesn't help us one bit. With 4-5 kp at night, we can't afford to mislynch, which is why I'm learning towards going after the sure thing. I already explained earlier that draz would probably be the person I would feel best about going after. He would probably be the only person I would consider at this point, unless something drastic happens over the next few hours.
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kitaman27
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Probably because it doesn't exist...
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