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United States1188 Posts

September 18 2011 03:23 GMT

#392

On September 18 2011 12:20 OriginalName wrote:

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I meant that Drazerk was beneath DrH, not you.

Ahh then I'm sorry for the tone of that, well to that I'll say that again what they said was different, the fact that he was dropping a third vote with no justification made him stand out, and his responses have not helped him while Dr. H has acted in my eyes fairly townie.

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United States1188 Posts

September 18 2011 16:02 GMT

#447

Oh my wow... Please filter Ciryandor's posts, it's a big collection of "well I think X but maybe not X and Y is also possible but maybe we shouldn't because bad stuff could happen" He's super indecisive about his thoughts, then instead of giving a real opinion he decides to vote for inactives over any of the people who actually have cases made against them, this is very scummy this late because he's voting for someone with almost no chance of getting lynched AND with very little reasoning to back it up because he's inactive, this allows scum to get away with meaningless votes that don't tell us anything about them, or if we do manage to lynch an inactive it won't be a scum one because they'll shift the vote to a town inactive since, you know, we can't tell the difference. They're inactives. Now as I mentioned, it's late in the day so I don't think I can get him lynched so I'll leave it at FOS Ciryandor but on a very related note
##Vote pphlz
Ciryandor has done nice little soft defends of him at least twice now, the first time saying that pphlz is a "good guy" the second he tries to use his inactive lynch idea to divert attention specifically from pphlz, so I say we lynch pphlz, then if he flips red we've got another definite red in Ciryandor.

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September 18 2011 17:03 GMT

#453

On September 19 2011 01:13 kitaman27 wrote:

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prplhz hasn't really stood out to me one way or another. He used his first few posts to talk about flavor, but so has half the other players in the game. The only thing that gives me bad vibes is that when he posted his list of candidates, he included nav based on others arguments rather than sharing his own opinion.

nav opened the game with that "rage" vt role claim, but then he followed up with his name claim, which I'm not sure scum would so willingly give up. I don't like the fact that he is trying to show that he is bad at the game, however.

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To be honest, this post right above me might be his biggest fault. The fact that he spends an entire post about Ciryandor and then manages to squeeze a prplhz vote right in the middle without giving a reason other than "I can't get him lynched". TranceStorm is guilty for the same thing a few posts earlier. chaoser, what is your opinion on nav? Are you still sticking to prplhz?

JeeJee and Radfield dropping off the face of the earth makes me uneasy and Erandorr, I'd like to hear more of your opinion rather than you asking others for theirs.

Well to clarify I squeezed the prplhz vote for a few reasons, first I don't like either of the other major candidates -especially Jackal but more on that in a sec- but I also don't want to vote for a candidate that has no shot at getting lynched, as I pointed out that's a pretty scummy thing to do and more importantly gives no help to the town. So that's my reason 1.

Then I actually think that he's a good candidate he has been acting very scummy, basically what everyone else who voted for him said. So that's reason 2.

Also, though this is smaller, he's one of the votes on Jackal and I just think that whole wagon is very suspicious, Jackal has generally been lurking and acting no different from a few other lurkers, but a wagon just seemed to appear on him, this is a wagon that scum would really want because it's a lurker lynch which is easy for them to go on and Jackal if he's town is someone they'd want particularly out of the way (also I just realized his other vote was on Dr. H, talk about going after vets) So that's my smaller reason 3.

Finally Reason 4 which was my explicit one is that I'm getting very suspicious of Ciryandor and he's linked nicely to pplhz so that actually works out great, I lynch my biggest target, stay within the main candidates so scum cant throw the vote in random directions, AND get specific info on someone I'm quite suspicious of.

On September 19 2011 01:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Yeah navi, it was something I was going to bring up later on. Seems as if he's just trying to not take a stance and avoid offending anyone.

Those who's votes are not on the main lynch candidates need to get them on the (at least) 3 main targets. The more scattered the votes are, the more beneficial for the scum. It looks like WBG, prpl, and jackal are the front runners. It worries me how quickly the votes for jackal piled up, although he was inactive until recently.

So cyber, JeeJee, GGQ, drh, cir...could you put your votes in a place where they will be useful?

Now that I think about it, we haven't ears for drh or radfield in a while.

Yeah so I just want to emphasize again, jackal's vote is very weird, I would look hard at everyone that jumped on him so quickly.

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United States1188 Posts

September 18 2011 17:04 GMT

#454

OH!!! And look who just jumped on the Jackal wagon! This is all fitting together better and better.

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United States1188 Posts

September 18 2011 17:07 GMT

#455

On September 19 2011 01:54 Ciryandor wrote:
You know what, if prplhz gets lynched today, I'm definitely voting Nav for being a blathering senile dwarf with more delusions of grandeur than common sense who's tunneling on me straight through Moria for trying to feel out people on Day 1.

Getting people off their asses and fishing for reactions should be our Day 1 goal, NOT giving some schmuck who barely scrapes by the anti-lurker guidelines a free pass to winning the game as a deadweight scum or hanging by the coat-tails townie, while the people who are yakking it up and that we have more of a profile of on their desirability for town get targeted just because they're non-committal or obnoxiously loud.

Sorry for the triple post but just saw this too. First I'm an elf not a dwarf. Second this is just confirming my suspicions more and more, I FOS him and he jumps on me with a really REALLy angry OMGUS. And third, please stay civil, if you are town (something I'm doubting more and more by the second) then you really shouldn't be essentially trying to start a fight, making things personal only helps scum.

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United States1188 Posts

September 18 2011 18:04 GMT

#469

On September 19 2011 03:01 Mig wrote:

Updated Day 1 Votecount

Greymist

~~Drazerk~~
~~DoctorHelvetica~~

Drazerk

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~~iGrok~~
~~wherebugsgo~~

TranceStorm

~~wherebugsgo~~
Cyber_cheese

wherebugsgo

DoctorHelvetica
Drazerk
iGrok
Pyo
Jackal58
Erandorr

prplhz

chaoser
Greymist
raynpelikoneet
jcarlsoniv
navillus

iGrok

GGQ
Archon_Toilet

DoctorHelvetica

~~prplhz~~

JeeJee

JeeJee

GGQ

~~Archon_Toilet~~

Archon_Toilet

wherebugsgo
~~ciryandor~~

Jackal58

syllogism
heist
prplhz
ciryandor

About 5 hours left in the day. WBG in the lead with 6 votes

Oh woops I forgot to unvote drazerk, fixed now.

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United States1188 Posts

September 18 2011 18:07 GMT

#471

On September 19 2011 02:37 Ciryandor wrote:

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Conversely, if none of their posts and their connections point to lurkers, what happens to these lurkers? We are left completely in the dark to their choices and motives then. What can be achieved by winnowing out the chaff is that lynching one active guy in a later day yields much much more information regarding them than lynching them on Day 1 would have been. Simply put, more activity equals more material to work with, and the easier to unravel the patterns and connections that everyone would have with one another without us losing more townies than absolutely necessary to the lynch or night shots.

Just think about it, a scum-team with a mix of active and inactive players can exploit silent townies who have no idea where to go or target by sacrificing them late in the game as potential scum while they can focus on killing off power roles. Forcing all of them to be active deprives them of one level of camouflage and forces them to either expose their gameplan or cover their tracks. Both yield information on who we have to end up killing.

And don't tell me I'm being personal, Navi started it by poking at my non-committal Day 1 play-style because he thought it was too indecisive.

So the first problem here is that you're assuming that we can just stop all lurking from lynching a lurker day1, that's just false lurkers gonna lurk, it's a fact of life, sure you might be able to get it to lower degrees by lynching one or two, of course by then we've lynched a couple townies have no good scum reads and have nearly lost.

You don't waste lynches on policy or information, you lynch scum. When you do lynch for inactivity scum will not get hit. Ever. Because you have no idea which inactive to lynch and scum will point you to a town one, preferably a townie that will be useful to town later i.e. Jackal.

Additionally how do we know when we've stopped them from lurking? You do this and the scum will stop lurking but we'll be ignoring the scummy things they say because we'll keep lynching that people that still are lurking, that is, townies. We should be just going for the scummy things we have now... you and prplhz.

Finally I didn't start anything I was calling you out for being indecisive which looked and looks scummy I was not calling you a

blathering senile dwarf with more delusions of grandeur than common sense

or a

elf with a hard-on for dwarven quarrying every moment you do so

In short, you and prplhz need to die.

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United States1188 Posts

September 18 2011 18:13 GMT

#475

On September 19 2011 03:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:
EBWOP: navi, you ninja voted under my nose lol

I think I posted it in thread, I forgot to unvote drazerk but I fixed it now :\

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United States1188 Posts

September 18 2011 20:29 GMT

#526

Okay why on earth do we have 2 people attempting to start new wagons with like 3 hours until lynch, we are not lynching supersoft or erandorr today and if you leave your votes there for the lynch you'll be my first targets come tomorrow.

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United States1188 Posts

September 18 2011 21:03 GMT

#539

I am very suspicious of this Erandorr lynch, I do not think that it could pop up this quickly without scum help, why did everyone choose erandorr over supersoft? They both were accused about the same time and with similar reasons.

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United States1188 Posts

September 18 2011 22:31 GMT

#593

I really don't think Eranderr is a good lynch, there's been basically 0 kickback or attempts to stop it or redirect... Well either way people need to put their votes on actual candidates, that means JeeJee who better not get away with 1 post and a vote on HIMSELF, chaos13, GGQ, archon_toilet, cybercheese and honestly at this point I think WBG is a bad lynch and not going to get lynched either way so everyone there should switch their votes because WBG is essentially an abstention.

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United States1188 Posts

September 18 2011 22:32 GMT

#595

Also the people that haven't voted need to vote... obviously.

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United States1188 Posts

September 18 2011 22:34 GMT

#598

EBWOP my last post went literally like a second after the vote count that's why it looks weird

Also ciryandor and WBG himself need to vote, just so it doesn't look like i skipped them on purpose