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kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

September 30 2011 17:09 GMT

#2686

Or maybe they will afk for the rest of the cycle and come back with a "opps, I hadn't read the thread until now" -_-

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

September 30 2011 21:15 GMT

#2715

right...

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

October 01 2011 00:47 GMT

#2745

On October 01 2011 09:16 Pyo wrote:
you all are idiots, but my bad for being too busy the last couple days to properly defend myself.

sigh, srry bout that

On October 01 2011 09:27 chaoser wrote:
If Kita doesn't die by tmr, lynch him

right...

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

October 01 2011 01:01 GMT

#2747

(pssttt you were supposed to wait another lynch until you bus me. Haven't you been reading the quicktopic?)

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

October 01 2011 01:52 GMT

#2752

I say we resurrect him and then modkill just for fun.

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

October 02 2011 00:18 GMT

#2782

Hmm, why were those two chosen as kills? Is mafia trying to lead us towards a certain mislynch today or are they just dodging protections?

I was rb'd again last night.

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

October 02 2011 00:43 GMT

#2784

Even if he was a SK, which seems pretty unlikely at this point, it doesn't matter GGQ. We need to lynch scum today.

It's feasible that draz protected you as a scum medic the previous night, knowing that you would be hit in an attempt to confirm himself as a town medic. He did protect scum on night one, with his oddly chosen save of iGrok and he needed a reason to not be hit since claiming on day two. I'm not sure if scum would be willing to waste a kp though that late in the game. Or this could very well be an attempt to make us question the kills and redirect ourselves from cheese/trance.

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

October 02 2011 01:18 GMT

#2791

oh god, we seriously don't have to go through the "kita's lying about a tracker" conversation again do we?

My role allows me to track a person and receive a description of the action(s) they took at night.

On night one I tracked wherebugsgo and was informed he did not leave his house.

On night two I tracked chaoser and learned he returned with blood on on his hands.

On night three I tracked ON and was informed he did not leave his house

Night four and five I was roleblocked.

draz protected igrok night one. Its apparently how igrok survived syllo's day vig.

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

October 02 2011 01:22 GMT

#2793

Pyo night four and trance night five.

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

October 02 2011 01:23 GMT

#2794

draz, who did you protect last night?

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

October 02 2011 01:28 GMT

#2797

chaoser, my timestamps line up correctly with my conversation with radfield right? If I'm lying about being masoned, how in the world did I provide them within 2 min of being asked of them? Pretty huge risk for me to have randomly made up times and hope they worked. If I'm lying about being a tracker, how in the world did I know you killed someone night two. Pretty huge risk for me to have banked on the fact that you hit someone. And you're seriously voting me at LYLO?

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

October 02 2011 13:31 GMT

#2822

I've got a couple questions for you heist. Yesterday, you were pushing Trace for the lynch. You said you were almost positive that there would be a second mafia on this lynch. Does this mean you've changed your mind on trance? If so, what made you switch to cheese?

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On September 30 2011 10:20 heist wrote:
Actually, I'll be changing my vote to trancestorm.

Final Vote Count for the Jackal Lynch that saved iGrok day 2:

Greymist
chaoser
Radfield
Drazerk
raynpelikoneet
jcarlsoniv
TranceStorm
OriginalName

I'm almost positive there's at least one more mafia in here.

On October 01 2011 06:23 heist wrote:
TranceStorm

Again, I looked at interactions with confirmed mafia.

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Bad plan. Whatever. Either you are a townie posting your plan with maybe a higher purpose of discussion (which he tries to defend himself as doing when everyone shits on his plan) OR you are mafia trying to slip in a bad plan for town to follow and derail discussion on a ill-formed plan. Null-tell. But what is interesting, is you start off your posts with an automatic belief in Radfield's assumptions. You trust him. Pretty harmless at first but let's look further.

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Yes, yes "fair point" but then you proceed to soft defend Radfield by attacking chaos' post.

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Is now taking complete guidance from Radfield. His votes are being informed entirely by Radfield.
He has moves off iGrok and is ready to switch last minute onto a bandwagon of Radfield's choosing.

**As a side note, Radfield I have to applaud you for how well you (mis)led the town.

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On September 18 2011 01:18 Radfield wrote:

On September 17 2011 15:36 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

On September 17 2011 15:03 TranceStorm wrote:

On September 17 2011 14:57 Cyber_Cheese wrote:

On September 17 2011 14:36 TranceStorm wrote:
Debating about who should get the ring and what each role can or cannot do at the moment is pointless at the current time. However, I do like one of the plans that was proposed by a few people: having the person who successfully passed on the ring claim themselves. This way, we can enable a 'chain' to be made - i.e. the first player can confirm the second player once the second player has passed on the ring themselves. This is all dependent on the assumption that evil players cannot pass the ring themselves which as Radfield pointed out, is probably a true assumption.

Given this, however, this plan would probably only be effective for the first few 'passes' and perhaps near the end of the game when town circles become more clear. The risk after the first few days that the person holding the ring is killed, or has the ring stolen (which is a possible role according to the OP) makes the plan ineffective.

Therefore, I think that such a plan should work for the first 2 or 3 days to confirm at least one or two people. Any thoughts or ideas about this? I haven't fully fleshed this out yet (i.e. the possibility of fake claims is strong), but its probably a better discussion than the arbitrary finger-pointing going on at the moment.

I'm not sure if you realise it or not but that plan sounds awfully anti-town.
How do we guarantee that even those 1-3 people can pass the ring in the first place?
And even if they can, how does that confirm anybody?

In this game, only people with roles that relate to the ring should bother searching for it secretly, and if the ring is passed it will either be the fruits of their efforts or a complete accident.
As for the effects of the ring, there is no real way to find out, the only people that know are the ring bearers and mentioning that you have it/explaining what it does is virtually ensuring you get killed overnight in the hopes that you can't pass it.

First, if the players in question cannot pass the ring, then the plan does not go into effect. A player only announces that they had the ring in the previous turn. If they can't pass it on, they stay silent and we are none the wiser.

Second, given Radfield's argument that evil players probably don't have the mechanic to pass the ring (otherwise they would pass it amongst themselves), if we can get two successive passes, that would confirm at least one player. The danger of course is passing to a mafia player, but that probability initially is small.

At any rate, I think it is pretty likely that the ring will worm into non-town hands (whether 3rd party or mafia) given that non-town players will constantly search and probe every turn. There's no way to comprehensively prevent them from getting the ring, therefore, why not get some benefit to it.

Finally, another point that can be made is that the player who passes on the ring and reveals themselves can also reveal what the ring does. Given that every player already covets it, it would be nice to at least have that information.

So basically you want people to say "I had the ring guys, I managed to pass it off, but I'm not saying to who" and maybe list it's effects?
We can't be sure evil players can't pass the ring, and if the person who claimed to have got rid of it was telling the truth or not.
There is way too much uncertainty, and I believe only a non-town party would be trying to push a bad plan to get the ring
Unless you can come up with a really good reason you care so much about the ring bearer
##Vote TranceStorm

This is a bunk vote. Bad plans are pushed all the time, mostly by townies as scum generally have very little motivation to push a bad plan. Bad plans need refinement, not votes.

Fact is, if the player who has the ring DOES pass it, he should likely claim. Either he is counterclaimed later when frodo/bilbo actually passes it, or he is confirmed. It doesn't help us immensely, but it certainly doesn't hinder.

Radfield returns the favor defending TranceStorm. No one look at Trancestorm, he's just a bad townie with a bad plan.

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Many people criticize his plan. Trancestorm makes an effort to address everything thrown at him and when it seems like he's failing to convince people he adds the customary "at least I'm generating discussion which is TOWN". But to DrH, it's simply: You're right. I made a bad plan and you, and only you, get the credit for correcting me. Good job. Only DrH gets him to see the error of his plan when other people have already chimed in with what is essentially the same arguments.

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End of the day, he votes for the candidate who makes an analysis attacking DrH.

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Now what else do we have:

- The late bandwagons and his voting patterns.

- Really anti-iGrok, but who wasn't? (oh yeah me). Attacking cyber_cheese primarily for his votes and for defending iGrok. Rayn is right. This little interaction between the two of them is a little weird. I have no idea what to make of it but at best, only one of the town is mafia.

Am I entirely convinced? Not completely. Radfield did a really good job of getting townies to do what he wanted. ON had many of the same mistakes and he flipped town. The late bandwagons are iffy at best as tells for alignment, and Cyber and TS can just be two townies who can't stop tunneling each other. TS was simply the better alternative to Cyber at the time.

On October 02 2011 18:48 heist wrote:
If it really comes down to the wire I have an iron claim. Imagine a LOTR character that HAS to be in this game simply for their importance. That's me. mr bigshsot. so ya no use voting for me. oh ya whos the other medic? confirmed townie foor sure.

Mig I wish you the best in all your endeavors.

It's LYLO so you might as well claim. I find it curious that you are trying to making yourself a confirmed town based on the fact that you have to be in the game, yet you're willing to vote Merry in an instant.

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

October 02 2011 19:14 GMT

#2839

So town got 3 medics (counting the jailer), plus a one shot heal? On top of 2 jacks, a dt, a tracker, a bodyguard, 3 masons, 2 vigs. 12 blues seems like an extreme amount.

If you think TS is town, who is your scum team?

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

October 02 2011 19:26 GMT

#2844

heist, have you breadcrumbed your role at any point? How do we know you're not just claiming syllo's save?

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

October 02 2011 20:06 GMT

#2848

On October 03 2011 04:42 chaoser wrote:
If what kita said is true, which, his logs seem to match, then not only did heist try to stop kita from claiming here but also bluefished for who killed Radfield.

Kita, you previously only posted part of your logs with the time stamp, can you post the rest of it?

Yep, here you go:
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Kurumi
09-19-2011
07:25 PM ET (US)

Hey there, what are your thoughts on the game so far?

Sauron
09-19-2011
09:32 PM ET (US)

lol hai, who is this?

Kurumi
09-19-2011
09:32 PM ET (US)

I think its best if we remained anonymous for now.

Sauron
09-19-2011
09:41 PM ET (US)

Err, but you just targetted me as a mason didn't you? So don't you know who I am?

Kurumi
09-19-2011
09:43 PM ET (US)

No, my role is different from the one Wiggles flipped as having. My targets are chosen at random.
I think its best if our identites remain hidden. I don't know if I can trust you yet.

Sauron
09-19-2011
09:43 PM ET (US)

Heh ok, I'll play along, yet the only person I can imagine would ever mason me is jcarl <3

So are masoned for the rest of the game or do you pick a new target each cycle?

Kurumi
09-19-2011
09:45 PM ET (US)

Only for today. What do you think about last night's hits?

Sauron
09-19-2011
09:47 PM ET (US)

Wait, so you can pick a target each cycle?

Kurumi
09-19-2011
09:48 PM ET (US)

No, like I said, it is randomly chosen for me.

Sauron
09-19-2011
09:56 PM ET (US)

Well there seems to be 4kp, which seems like a lot for mafia to have in a 3 player game. There might be a vig or a SK who shot last night.

Sauron
09-19-2011
09:57 PM ET (US)

lol nevermind, I'm dumb. The lynch from yesterday was included in the day post -_-

Is there anyone that stands out to you so far?

Kurumi
09-19-2011
10:01 PM ET (US)

Radfield and DoctorHelvetica should have been shot last night. They are the far more experienced players compared to the group of players that mafia went after. That alone makes me think we should keep on eye on them.

JeeJee, jackal, kitaman27, and Palmar all should be contributing more at this point.

Sauron
09-19-2011
10:04 PM ET (US)

chaoser claimed to have been shot. Do you buy it? I don't see why mafia would risk a role claim as vet after night one, but he has been known to make fake claims in the past.
Also, what do you make of this:

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Kurumi
09-19-2011
10:48PM ET (US)

chaoser hasn't claimed vet. At this point, I think it's a null tell.

The message is a distraction to town. It should be ignored for now.

Sauron
09-19-2011
10:55PM ET (US)

Does that mean you think it comes from scum?

Kurumi
09-19-2011
10:58PM ET (US)

I don't know, but its pointless to speculate. Who do you plan to push today for the lynch?

Sauron
09-19-2011
11:00PM ET (US)

I might have a couple people in mind, but I'm going to hold off for now. How about you?

Kurumi

09-19-2011
11:07PM ET (US)

DoctorHelvetica's play so far has been extremely inconsistant. I'm really not liking how he has played so far. What do you think?

Sauron
09-19-2011
11:11PM ET (US)

What in particular do you not like from DrH? I agree he probably would be a likely day one night shot if he were town. The way he was responding to people on day one makes me think he might have something to hide.

sadroba as scum can be really tricky. After missing day 1, I'm worried he might continue making minimal contributions. There are also a bunch of lurkers that really need to start posting more. Its hard to get a read on them, when they only have a bunch of one liners. chaos has also been pretty useless thus far. What do you think about kita's analysis?

Sauron
09-19-2011
11:16PM ET (US)

hmm apparently it seems like chaos is quitting. Do you think he is serious or is that just an act to gain town cred?

Sauron
09-20-2011
9:21AM ET (US)

lol guess that answers that -_-

Hopefully DrH flipping will give us something for day two.

Kurumi
09-20-2011
10:05AM ET (US)

Yes, filtering through his posts is a good idea. This post in particular I find strange:

"Greymist straight up asking for the ring day 1 doesn't bode well for him.

##Vote Greymist"

As scum, why is he placing his vote on Greymist for such weak reasons? I'm thinking his goal on day one might have been to distance himself from his scumbuddies.

I might not be around a computer for a while, but I'll try to come up with a few suspects when I'm back. Town really needs to start narrowing down the suspect list.

Sauron
09-20-2011
10:24AM ET (US)

Maybe, DrH is a good enough player to plan something like that ahead of time, but I'm not really sure about that post in particular.

Sauron
09-20-2011
10:55PM ET (US)

Heh iGrok's claim sure did come out of nowhere. What do you think?

The timing of his claim is rather weird, since he wasn't really under much pressure. Even if he is telling the truth, he needs to shoot tonight, or else he can use the kp against town later on.

Sauron
09-21-2011
10:03AM ET (US)

lol a day vig? It looks like he survived, so either syllo is lying about his claim or iGrok was fake claiming.

Sauron
09-21-2011
2:01PM ET (US)

Now I'm completely lost. Why on earth would draz protect iGrok on night one? All he had was a handfull of one liners and basically had no chance of getting hit. What do you think?

Sauron
09-21-2011
2:07PM ET (US)

You're not JeeJee are you? Don't get modkilled on me -_-

Sauron
09-21-2011
2:07PM ET (US)

lol nevermind, he would have flipped blue. >.<

Kurumi
09-21-2011
4:15PM ET (US)

Sorry, I am back.

iGrok's claim makes absoultely no sense as scum. There is no way a mafia would make a claim like that on day two with only three votes on himself. Mafia all have safe claims. No sane scum would claim Barlog, which is clearly not town aligned. I'm thinking we should make him use his shot tonight and use it against the scumteam.

Jackal or maybe supersoft would be much better lynches today. Radfield's analysis on Jackal seems pretty convincing, although I'm not sure how much he can be trusted.

Sauron
09-21-2011
4:24PM ET (US)

Jackal is someone I've also been pretty suspicious of. He is usually the most aggressive player in the game, yet he hasn't really showed that yet. When JeeJee posted a case against him, he completely ignored it, rather than responding or calling it out as a bad argument.

lol I can probably narrow down your identity based on the people who haven't voted iGrok :p

Kurumi
09-21-2011
4:30PM ET (US)

Good luck with that.

I'm out for a while, hopefully I come back to a scum lynch.

Sauron
09-21-2011
4:33PM ET (US)

Oh, are we allowed to still talk after the day ends? As in can we talk during the night before you get a new target?

Kurumi
09-21-2011
4:50PM ET (US)

Yep.

Sauron
09-21-2011
8:35PM ET (US)

err doh.

At least he was a miller, rather than vanilla or blue.

Sauron
09-21-2011
8:38PM ET (US)

Any thoughts on who we should be having iGrok shoot tonight? I wonder if he will agree to shoot himself -_-

Kurumi
09-21-2011
10:05PM ET (US)

He needs to decide who he thinks is most likely scum. We can't claim in the thread because if we tell him to shoot a scum, then the mafia could roleblock him.

Sauron
09-21-2011
11:55PM ET (US)

I suppose, but at least that would mean mafia wouldn't have a role block to use on anybody else.

Kurumi
09-22-2011
9:00AM ET (US)

It's fine if you don't want to, but do you want to role claim to me? You don't have to tell me who you are. I won't share it with anybody else, but it might be useful to be able to form a town circle later on where we can coodinate everyones actions.

Sauron
09-22-2011
2:29PM ET (US)

there aren't pms in the game, besides your random mason. I don't really see how a town circle could be formed at this point.

For now, I think I'll hold off on claiming.

Kurumi
09-22-2011
4:11PM ET (US)

OK that's fine. I won't be back until the day post. Nice chatting with you

Anything else to add?

Sauron
09-22-2011
4:54PM ET (US)

lol, cya.

Maybe you'll get unlucky and get stuck with me again for another cycle ^_^

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

October 02 2011 23:04 GMT

#2853

lol its not like I could have turned a scum quicktopic into a 1:1 conversation with correct timestamps in 2 minutes flat.

Heist, if you believed chaoser and draz were confirmed town, why did you decide to protect trance after essentially calling him out as scum earlier in the day? Did you expect him to get night hit, after being one of the main candidates the previous day?

kitaman27

United States9245 Posts

October 03 2011 01:36 GMT

#2865

cyber and trance both need to get in here -_-

chaoser, what's your thought on this? After not mentioning heist the first three days, greymist makes a case against him and asks multiple people their opinion. That night, greymist gets singled out as a night hit and flips dt. He switches off heist later in the day, so it might just be that he was suspicious of him, rather than getting off a red check or it could be he didn't have the votes and didn't want to claim yet.

On September 26 2011 08:43 GreYMisT wrote:
I Think that Heist has been acting really oddly throughout day1 and day2.

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Remember day1 he was the guy who advocated having 2 leading candidates each day?

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He soft Defended DrH day1

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And defends iGrok with a burning passion using only lore, speculation, and WIFOM.

Heist is scum

##Vote Heist

On September 27 2011 03:43 GreYMisT wrote:

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What is your actual opinion on him (Heist) though?

On September 27 2011 13:25 GreYMisT wrote:
What is your opinon on Heist Kitaman?

On September 28 2011 05:45 GreYMisT wrote:
Im going to go ahead and ##Unvote Heist. He has not posted much at all today. While I still think he should be looked at, we have much bigger targets.