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I almost smiled. + Show Spoiler + But then I realized you were scum. | ||
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On September 07 2011 11:40 bumatlarge wrote: Let's talk about irrelevant things in ace's game! This set-up is weird is completely closed so I'm gonna throw it out there that I think everyone has some sort of ability. I can lick my elbow. | ||
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hebrew go gues????? | ||
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On September 08 2011 08:10 sandroba wrote: Also let's get to posting people, more than half the players in this game are completely inactive. Unfortunatelly we have no info on the setup, so I don't think discussion on roles will take us anywhere as of now. Let me just say that if I think you are good and you start making ridiculous acusations and being unreasonable you will not be excused =P We're trying to read the last 2 pages without having our brains fall out. I have never seen a game start like this before. The first 5 posts contained a vote. The next 10 were a pissing contest between a bunch of 13 year old brats. And it went down hill from there. I wish I was as good as you guys. My first post with any substance to it will be made after I've had another 12 beers. You guys won't make any sense to me until I'm damn near unconscious. | ||
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On September 08 2011 10:55 chaos13 wrote: That entire post is an attack on JeeJee, and none of it looks like you're calling him a bad townie. Not an accusation, but an outline of suspicious behavior? That's exactly what an accusation is. It wouldn't have been suspicious if it felt as if you were simply looking for more information, but it had the feel of an attack to it. None of what I said is calling you scum. Calling you suspicious? Hell yeah. Did I encourage anyone else to vote for you? No. They can make that decision themselves. There's no need for me to place my vote yet until we generate some more discussion. I'm simply warning you that if your play continues this way, I will vote for you before the day is over. Good positive attitude at the end there, I like that. If you don't think that what's going on is good, encourage something better. You can whine about it all you want, but if you don't do something to fix it you're just becoming part of the problem. Jee Jee needed to be hit upside the head with a 2X4. Why the hell are you defending him? | ||
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On September 08 2011 20:34 chaos13 wrote: Hi Palmar. In case I don't get the time to place my vote after work today ##Vote GGQ Would you please explain? I've just reread everything GGQ has posted and there is nothing there. You and Jee Jee are tag teaming him. And no I'm not defending GGQ. I'm calling you out for a vote that makes no sense to me. | ||
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On September 08 2011 22:44 Palmar wrote: Why do you feel the need to specifically state that you're not defending him? It's not scummy to ask for reasoning behind votes, and it's not scummy opposing bad lynches. If you don't think chaos13's case is good, then that's fine, but why so... defensive about it? Because he accused me of it on the previous page. | ||
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On September 08 2011 22:44 Palmar wrote: Why do you feel the need to specifically state that you're not defending him? It's not scummy to ask for reasoning behind votes, and it's not scummy opposing bad lynches. If you don't think chaos13's case is good, then that's fine, but why so... defensive about it? Here's the exchange. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11283118 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11283225 | ||
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I'm down with lynching any of the first 5 people that started the game with a vote. | ||
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On September 09 2011 06:18 TheAwesomeAll wrote: ##unvote ##vote bumatlarge of iGrok and GGQ, iGrok is the scummiest but the case against either is pretty bad. That makes perfect sense/////////// If you're not quite sane. ##VOTE: TheAwesomeAll I encourage everybody to vote for one of these derps voting for no reason. Pick a couple and we'll consolidate. This game is pure bullshit so far. | ||
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On September 10 2011 21:36 Curu wrote: sandroba, Palmar, what are your thoughts about the game currently? Jackal? Curu? The derp fest appears to have ended. Sandroba needs to post some more. He's not playing the townie Sandroba Palmar hasn't called everybody scum yet. That's different. Mig is calling sinani scum for being online and not voting. I'd think scum would be inclined to vote more than a townie. I know I follow games much closer when I'm scum. Mig is my favorite to lynch so far today. | ||
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On September 11 2011 01:24 BayonnetAnderson wrote: Can I get back to you on that? I was making my net of suspects based on iGrok flipping red, I need to go back and reread the thread and try to figure out what I've overlooked. bleh. Look real hard at Bugs GMan. | ||
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On September 11 2011 02:54 wherebugsgo wrote: I see you've been contributing quite a lot this game. -_- Writing 10,000 word essays that don't say jack shit isn't contributing. | ||
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BayonnetAnderson Zona chaos13 xtfftc And to be fair he simply called Chaos stupid. Everybody else is lurking/trolling/not participating. Yet Zona/Bayonette/xtfftc haven't really said shit either. But they're not scummy. On September 11 2011 19:15 wherebugsgo wrote: LOL So, I'm mafia because of a "scumslip." Yeah, you're mafia. If you're going to accuse me of being mafia at least have the balls to vote me. Yes that is a scum slip. A big time scum slip. Your post claims knowledge of the fact. It wasn't an assumption. You "noticed". You weren't posing a question. You weren't hypothesizing. You weren't pondering. You were stating a fact. On September 11 2011 03:23 wherebugsgo wrote: Wait what the fuck I just noticed something. Mafia KP is 2 but only one person died last night? Who got saved? Yes sir. That is a scum slip. This guy is scum. Lynch him. Zona's claim is too convenient and much to late after the fact to be believable. Her next post also claims a RB. Bullshit. You knew that when you claimed the hit but conveniently neglected to mention it. It's only purpose is to answer a BS question from a scum buddy. On TAA On September 09 2011 11:46 wherebugsgo wrote: Rofl, this settles it, you're scum. I have NEVER centered on TAA, the only reason I even consider TAA is because he's actually pretty close to getting lynched. I never even believed there was a proper case on TAA. I said he was SOMEWHAT suspicious and that he needs to post more. He was an acceptable lynch to me simply because everyone else thinks he's scum and everyone else here is much better than me. However, I'm not afraid to have my own opinions. Watchlist: Curu, Mig, Palmar, iGrok You sure used the hammer on him though. Lynch this guy. When he flips red then Zona. | ||
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On September 12 2011 03:32 wherebugsgo wrote: This game is a shitfest. I have an inclination to believe sandroba, though. I'm on my phone right now, I'll make this short and sweet: I've FoSed a lot of people this game, because honestly I don't know what to make of half of the behavior that's been going on. Between yesterday's bandwagons, today's inactivity/trolling/whatever and being accused of being mafia on a "scumslip," my reads are just going all over the place. I'm going to try to consolidate them today so we can lynch mafia. Our lynch today needs to be one of bum/sinani/Palmar IMO. The problem right now obviously is that a number of our suspicions just keep avoiding the thread (like GGQ). Xt has also avoided the thread today. To be completely honest I haven't seriously considered either of these players yet because of their total lack of activity today. Every post you make has a different "list" You're not consolidating shit. On September 12 2011 04:23 wherebugsgo wrote: Before I post it, if Zona is around, could you give a list of players you've played with before? If Zona is a vet then it makes sense she'd get shot day 1. It would suggest there are vets who have played with Zona before on the scumteam. Jackal stands out to me as such a possibility because of how he attacked her claim. I'm writing it up now btw I have never to my knowledge played with her before. And if we're tracking connections I'd say you and Zona are joined at the hip. | ||
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On September 09 2011 10:52 wherebugsgo wrote: One of Palmar/Mig is scum methinks. IMO it might be Mig, because Palmar actually did defend townies in XLIV (I distinctly remember him giving Sevryn 0.2% chance to flip town) and he defended hiro and xt as well. In cosmic I feel like he did the same but Palmar was alive when I wasn't in the game and I don't remember too well ATM (not quoting stuff cause I'm on my phone) Would Mig purposely forget these things or is he just being ignorant as town? Iunno but from what I understand about his town play...neither is a likely town explanation. Anyway, at the current lynches: I say we keep it between TAA and iGrok. Either is an acceptable lynch to me but I'm not sold on GGQ. I'll switch off iGrok if we require lynching assistance Is OK with either TAA or iGrok lynch On September 09 2011 11:07 wherebugsgo wrote: It does, actually, you ninjaed my one liner that I was about to post. Basically I was just gonna say that one of you being scum doesn't necessarily rule out both of you being scum. Lol. I am actually scared with how fast this TAA bandwagon has started. Are mafia really bussing him this early in the game? I haven't seen a single defense of him yet. Begins to distance himself from the flip. On September 09 2011 11:46 wherebugsgo wrote: Rofl, this settles it, you're scum. I have NEVER centered on TAA, the only reason I even consider TAA is because he's actually pretty close to getting lynched. I never even believed there was a proper case on TAA. I said he was SOMEWHAT suspicious and that he needs to post more. He was an acceptable lynch to me simply because everyone else thinks he's scum and everyone else here is much better than me. On September 09 2011 11:46 wherebugsgo wrote:However, I'm not afraid to have my own opinions. Watchlist: Curu, Mig, Palmar, iGrok Does it some more. Oh lookie. Another list. On September 09 2011 11:57 wherebugsgo wrote: I feel TAA will flip town because the bandwagon on him started too fast. No one has been defending him. That's just weird to me. Am I sure of it? No, obviously not, precisely because everyone else seems to be so confident about him being scum. Aww wittle Curu is doing the exact same thing he's accusing me of doing. Already did that, why do you think my vote is on iGrok? Also it's way too late in the day cycle to push anyone else on my watchlist. There's one hour left, if I were to switch to you/Mig then that'd split the vote. I'm willing to vote TAA but at the same time I'm unwilling because it seems to me like I'd be sheeping a townie lynch. Also it's getting me some nice reactions out of you + Show Spoiler + but some really bad smell dude omg. It's like you've rolled around all day in dead fish or something More "I think he's town" On September 09 2011 11:58 wherebugsgo wrote: I already answered this, fishboy. I think/thought TAA is an acceptable lynch because everyone else thinks so. I realized that I was following a sheep mentality and that's why I posted my suspicion about how fast the TAA bandwagon started. What happened here? On September 09 2011 11:46 wherebugsgo wrote:However, I'm not afraid to have my own opinions. On September 09 2011 12:52 wherebugsgo wrote: ##unvote iGrok ##vote TheAwesomeAll before I forget yo And then you apply the hammer. You're scum Bro. The scum slip just seals the deal. | ||
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You're scum bro. | ||
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On September 12 2011 06:23 wherebugsgo wrote: lol. Of course you haven't contributed anything, cause I'm not scum! Yay logic. Also, I'm not backing off Sandroba. I still find his behavior really weird. I find his explanation plausible, and weirder things have happened this game. iGrok, for example, was town but clearly not paying attention at all, he died and then didn't even realize he got shot for looking scummy. Sinani and bum are just better lynches than sandroba atm. I like a Jackal lynch tomorrow, btw. Constant OMGUS You are a better lynch than anybody. | ||
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On September 12 2011 06:45 wherebugsgo wrote: I just want to point out that bum is helping to split the votes right now by going after chaos. Sinani and bum. If we can't agree there then sandroba. Anyone else today is unproductive. Palmar who is your vote on right now? Not lynching you is unproductive. | ||
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On September 12 2011 06:47 wherebugsgo wrote: Dude this is exactly how you were acting when I accused you of being scum in resurrection. This time you got the vote on me before I made my suspicions clear, but it doesn't change my read, and it doesn't make it OMGUS. I've suspected you since day 1, and I'm fairly certain I'm right. Scum | ||
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On September 12 2011 10:25 Mig wrote: Vote counts right now Sandroba (3) BA, Palmar, Bum Curu (1) XT WBG (3) Chaos, Sinani, Jackal Sinani (3) Curu, GGQ, Mig Bum (2) Zona, WBG XT (1) Sandroba Around 2.5 hours left in the day we are going to have to consolidate if we are going to have a lynch happen tonight. This is fucking interesting. You counted GGQ's vote before he voted. Clairvoyant? | ||
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On September 12 2011 10:42 Mig wrote: accidental double post Sinani has twice ignored my question about his clear lie concerning missing missing the lynch on day1. He also admitted that his excuse about trying a new play style was also a lie. Several people (palmar, etc) have made excuses for sinani. Saying things like "sinani always looks scummy". But anyone who has played with sinani should know that yes he always looks scummy but he never plays like this. I mean look if sinani was town he could be actually trying to do some scum hunting right now. He could provide some analysis, give some opinions, give us ANYTHING. Instead he just gave up and is like fine lynch me and disappeared with half the day left. He is purposefully avoiding answering questions and contributing. If he was town he could show it but he is choosing not to. And Zona we still learn from the sinani lynch. If he flips red everyone who has been trying to divert the lynch to other people look a lot worse. And we don't even know if we have any vigs. Bullshit. You posted before he changed his vote. | ||
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On September 12 2011 10:45 Mig wrote: GGQ never changed his vote he voted sinani twice. I'd buy this bs if you had GGQ down for a vote on Bum as well. | ||
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On September 12 2011 10:48 Mig wrote: My bad just missed it when counting. Why did you post the votes a second time? | ||
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WBG, Zona, GGQ, Mig. | ||
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On September 13 2011 03:48 Zona wrote: To the doctor or medic who protected me last night: I suggest that you consider protecting Curu tonight, since he is the ONLY confirmed townie that we have, thanks to his rather clever breadcrumb. If you were thinking about protecting me again tonight (and I hope you were), I would ask that you flip a coin, and based on that, protect Curu or myself. Just thinking out loud here. I know it's a closed setup. But how many games have you all played in where the attempted target was told a hit was blocked on them. Isn't it typically the medic only that's informed? On September 13 2011 05:14 wherebugsgo wrote: People need to look at Jackal. I'm going to push for his lynch today, assuming I survive the night. Keep looking scum bug. If you die tonight I'll admit I was wrong. But that ain't gonna happen. | ||
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On September 13 2011 08:05 Palmar wrote: I already pmd Ace about that Jackal he answered: A medic protecting a target will be notified that they stopped a hit. The target will also be notified that they survived a hit. I think it's okay I paste that, seeing as it's just rules stuff. OK then. Ace - A medic protecting a target will be notified that they stopped a hit. The target will also be notified that they survived a hit. Is this true? Not that I don't trust you guys or anything like that. I just don't trust you. Don't take it personally. | ||
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On September 13 2011 08:43 wherebugsgo wrote: why would Palmar pm Ace instead of asking the question in the thread? Why would Zona? | ||
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I'm not. I think WBG and Zona and you are all scum. Why is WBG so defensive about Zona. And why did you call me out and not WBG as well? | ||
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As long as you're being agreeable did Palmar and Zona PM you regarding this? | ||
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On September 13 2011 09:17 wherebugsgo wrote: the idea was already out there, no? I'm not defending Zona over Palmar, I just don't think that action lines up with Zona's play so far. It does line up with Palmar's, though. No it wasn't. Palmar claimed he asked Ace then Zona jumped in with her answer. It wasn't "out there" at all. Ace confirmed Palmar's answer. He didn't confirm Palmar asked it but he confirmed the answer. I'm inclined to believe Palmar at this point. Zona may have asked as well but your question is leading and scummy looking. Palmar can't ask but Zona can. And Zona hedged her answer. You're both scum bro. | ||
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On September 13 2011 09:21 Ace wrote: Does that even matter? Liars always matter. 2 people claimed they PMed the host with the same or similar question. Did they both ask it? | ||
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On September 13 2011 09:28 bumatlarge wrote: Let's see how fast jackal can get modkilled? Living on the edge baby. | ||
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On September 13 2011 08:10 Zona wrote: To be more explicit, I suspect that it's possible Ace's actual answer will be different from what Palmar supplied. I believe Palmar asked. I believe you're lying. | ||
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On September 13 2011 09:38 chaos13 wrote: Jackal, tell me what mafia has to gain from lying in such a situation. Town cred. Hell we don't even know if scum have 2 kp and a role blocker. In a game with 16 players and 1/4 of them are scum 2 kp seems quite OP to me. | ||
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On September 13 2011 09:45 chaos13 wrote: So you think PM'ing Ace and asking about medics gets you town cred? Somebody has missed the big picture. | ||
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##VOTE: Sandroba Sorry Bugs. I was wrong. | ||
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On September 13 2011 18:35 Palmar wrote: I'm an alignment cop, apparently wbg is guilty. I have an innocent report on bum from night one. a) wbg got framed b) someone bussed someone c) I'm insane So this means bum could just as well be scum as anyone else, because there is apparently some mindfuck mechanic in this game. ??????? | ||
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On September 13 2011 18:53 Palmar wrote: I know you're reading this Jackal, time to claim. The rest of you we need everyone to claim. I left for work after my last post so this is the first I've seen it. First off you're right on the voting. ##UNVOTE: Sandroba Secondly I'm not sure a mass claim atm is optimal. Zona appears to have been protected by WBG on night one. If we believe Bum he appears to have been protected last night. If we have no more protection roles a mass claim will probably just create a mass grave. I'm gonna wait for Zona to claim a shot on Bum before I get behind any mass claim scenarios. | ||
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sandroba Jackal58 Palmar bumatlarge BayonnetAnderson GGQ Zona chaos13 xtfftc Mig I'd be ok with any of those marked red as a lynch. Of the others I'm leaning towards Zona as town. This is influenced by WBG flipping town. Of Bum, bayonnet, and Chaos13 I really have no clue atm. I suggest we all weigh in on Sandroba first. Yea or nay on his lynch today? | ||
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On September 14 2011 01:28 Palmar wrote: your point no 4 is just plain wrong. you guys didn't shoot me because people suspect me. For 4 to happen Bum doesn't need to have been framed, all it takes is wbg being framed on day 2, and me actually being sane, that's the explanation I'd go with. But thanks, now you've just confirmed you're not using logic this game, you're scum. And why would I not defend a person who I have an innocent check on, it's only after I got the false check on wbg that I started doubting my sanity or the possibility of framers. You're insane. If WBG were framed I would have gotten a different result on my check. I've now run through this check I got back in as many different scenarios as I can imagine and they all tell me you are insane. Bum is scum I am a parity cop. My day 1 check is a null tell. Every check after that comes back as "same" or "different" regarding that players alignment. I checked you on night 1 and got a null reading. I checked WBG last night and the result was "same". Meaning you are both the same alignment. If WBG was framed I would have gotten a "different" response on my check - in essence framing you. I can't come up with any other scenario that allows Bugs to flip blue and you get a guilty read on him. You're fucking nuts bro. Let's lynch Bum. | ||
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On September 14 2011 01:49 sandroba wrote: Okay I'm gonna wait for more claims before writing stuff. I'm curious as to what bum is gonna claim. Jackal, do you believe that there are 2 cops in this 16 person game? Have you cconsider the possibility of palmar being GF/framed day1 and thus mafia? WTF? Why are you not jumping on palmar like a maniac? Palmar could be GF. If he was I have no idea why he would have claimed DT today though. And yes 2 cops is not out of the question. My role requires multiple checks to work. And if the other one is insane that's just fucked up if he were the only one. In either case it requires both of us multiple days/checks to get information. So ya quite believable. | ||
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On September 14 2011 02:20 Palmar wrote: two gimp cops, the only medic in the game yet also roleblocks whoever he protects, so that works like a roleblocker anyway. you're crazy. @Jackal, why didn't you claim your result right away? You had information and we're in lylo. Why do you think I asked you if you checked Bugs? I checked him as well. I didn't like your claim of him showing up red and flipping blue when I used you as a baseline for my checks. On September 14 2011 02:12 sandroba wrote: What do you say about my analysis of there being no roleblockers? Do you still think 2 cops is plausible? Man this is a fucking 16 man game!!! No way there are 2 cops. Also palmar is making no sense and thus is scum. Since I find it hard to believe you would claim cop as scum AFTER Palmar just claimed cop, I'm going to tentatively believe your claim. Why did you check those guys and you never checked me though? I've been thouroughly discussed since night one. Because I'm already positive you're scum. Bugs I wasn't sure of. I chose Palmar first because he's easy to contrast against. | ||
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On September 14 2011 02:31 bumatlarge wrote: Or it's pretty obvious that palmar is scum. You gave all the reasons yourself. Do you really think sandroba and I are scumbuddies rather then jackal and palmar? Yes. | ||
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On September 14 2011 04:56 GGQ wrote: Just posting to say that this game is a mindfuck, and I've really lost my grip on it. I'm gonna have to re-read at least once before I'm ready to vote. Right now I'm leaning towards believing bumatlarge, as his claim is more consistent with his behavior (blueslip at the beginning of the game, subtly warning zona not to visit him; all this could be faked of course but that would take a lot of planning), imo, than palmar's or jackal's. Only thing is that paranoid gun owner doesn't seem like a role that Ace would use as it seems a little too luck-based. But that's just me speculating, it doesn't outweigh the player's behavior in game. In a game this size with 2 cops it makes perfect sense to have a pgo. On the scum team. | ||
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##VOTE: Bumatlarge | ||
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On September 15 2011 03:25 xtfftc wrote: I am not sure what I make of the Palmar vs Bum dilemma, so I'm going for the safer option. ##Vote: Sandroba That option is for a no lynch There is no safety there at all. We need 6 votes to have a chance at winning. Palmar or Bum. Grow a pair. Vote Bum. | ||
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On September 15 2011 03:48 xtfftc wrote: There was a total of 5 votes before mine - there's clearly enough time to lynch Sandroba. There were two votes on Palmar. If either were from a townie scum would have hammered him. | ||
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On September 15 2011 03:52 sandroba wrote: Who exactly is advocating for a palmar lynch besides me? Zona who is basically confirmed town and bum who is the other suspect. Seeing this situation I can only assume bum is indeed town. But let's assume me and bum are mafia for a moment. So you think that the other 2 "mafia" besides me and bum just decided to bus bum in the beggining of the day even when palmar's claim makes no sense at all. Obviously palmar is mafia. If you lynch bum you are gonna lose. Spoken like a true outsider. Scum. | ||
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On September 15 2011 04:01 sandroba wrote: Jackal is either really blind or mafia too. Probably mafia now that I think about it. Look there are 2 DTs in a game where mafia has no roleblocker, none suspect the other, both conviniently checked and suspected (for no damn reason) WBG the same night and he ended up shot and they both agree on lynching the same suspect. What a beautiful ridiculous story. Your high man. Townies never refer to themselves as "you". You're not town. You're not one of us. You're one of "them" And so is Bum. | ||
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Scum day vig, scum night vig. Well actually a bullshit claim by a bullshit night vig. And a bullshit RB claim. How the hell does a dead protector role role block anybody. Pure bullshit. | ||
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On September 15 2011 07:59 BayonnetAnderson wrote: So, assume Palmar flips red, who should we have the vigi's shoot tonight? (remember a misfire costs us the game, we cannot afford to miss) I propose Jackal, does anyone else have any other suggestions? Games over as soon as Palmar gets lynched and you know it. | ||
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On September 15 2011 08:00 BayonnetAnderson wrote: EBDWODP: "who should we have the vigi(s) shoot tonight?" You. And I highly doubt we have a vig. | ||
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On September 15 2011 07:49 xtfftc wrote: unvote ##Vote: Palmar I believe Mig and Chaos13 deserve a closer look afterwards. Put your vote on Bum. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On September 11 2011 12:41 BayonnetAnderson wrote: sandroba So, I was bored, so I went meta/lurker hunting, and I found the man of the hour, the person everyone seems to be willing to call out for lurking, yet no one seems to want to vote for or make a formal accusation of. Its time I changed that. Lets fliter sandroba and see what agenda he is pushing, what wonderful pro-town plans he has come up with, what awesome discussion he has begun. Here is his filter What jumps out at you right away? The guy has all of 10 posts! This is "active man" sandroba the guy who's posted such pro town sentiments as and Do we notice any policy post this game? Any suggestion that we vigi lurkers, or any point of discussion offered? Any attempt at generating controversy? No, we really don't. To anyone who has played with town sandroba in the past, this should be setting off every alarm bell in the system. We should be outright worried. this isn't how sandroba usually behaves. Lets be rational however, maybe its sandroba trying out a new style, trying a different method of playing, lets look at what he has actually contributed, maybe all our suspicion is unjustified, maybe he isn't posting plans because its a closed setup and he can't come up with anything, like talking about viging lurkers or avoiding tunnels or maintaining a pro-town atmosphere. Oh, wait, he says this, which is... fascinating. Its trying to *look* like one of his usual policy posts, but in reality its dodging discussion and not supporting his reasons. To me it looks like he is trying to emulate one of his usual policy/plan posts, but isn't willing to fully commit to it or the scrutiny it might put him under. So lets take a look at a couple of sandrobas wonderful contributions this game. You are right sandroba, throwing around suspicion *is* a mafia trait, great catch. I like how you mention iGrok in passing and don't actually say anything about him. Your description of xftc's behavior is pretty spot on, except your logic is all wrong. Scum *subtly* push lynches, they don't spearhead them, much less provide ridiculous scumlists, to me this looks like a shallow attempt to make an accusation out of almost no evidence. Notice how sandroba doesn't take a stance, notice how whishy washy the post is. He says X's (I'm never going to figure out how to spell his name) behavior "makes no sense for a townie", yet sandroba is willing to give him more time? He doesn't even vote for him, which is... odd... to say the least, considering how he just concluded town wouldn't be doing what X is doing. This post is worrying because its wishy-washy and non-committal Sandroba then proceeds to push suspicion onto iGrok by adding pressure to him, then out of the blue we have What the HELL? we went from this where sandroba was turning up the heat (yet oddly enough not voting, to this. Hint as a rule of thumb if you are on the same wagon as someone you consider suspicious you at least think twice about it. So, what does sandroba really do all of day 1? He pushes suspicion on two people, X and iGrok, defends GGQ and proceeds to vote for someone he hadn't even mentioned yet, with no reason given, can you say easy bandwagon? I could expand this post, looking at how he liked to push suspicion as scum, and how as town he is more active and questioning, but I don't honestly think its necessary, I'm pretty sure from what I've looked at alone we can tell he is scum. For those who dislike thinking, sandroba is scum because he 1.) Lurks like a madman, unlike his usual town play 2.) Shows wishy washyness 3.) Pushes suspicion around, something he had already said was anti-town 4.) Jumps on an easy bandwagon, with no justification 5.) People in the thread keep calling him out on being scum, and then proceed to do exactly nothing. Sandroba is scum ##Vote: Sandroba The LORD is righteous: he hath cut asunder the cords of the wicked. Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion. Let them be as the grass upon the housetops, which withereth afore it groweth up: wherewith the mower filleth not his hand; nor he that bindeth sheaves his bosom. AMEN And you were OK with a Bum lynch. + Show Spoiler + On September 12 2011 01:29 BayonnetAnderson wrote: Please, town sandroba doesn't do this, I don't care what he's promised, notice how he showed up less than 6 hours after my analysis to promise more contribution? The guy is scum, no bones about it. I'm also ok with the bum lynch, although I'm convinced WBG's "slip" isn't one, he's been way too fearless to be scum. I've been wrong in the past, but if WBG flipped red I would be exceedingly surprised. But now you're voting with both of them. I hate TV evangelists. You're all scummy con artists. | ||
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If you want to fuck up somebodies day do it right. | ||
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On September 15 2011 09:32 Palmar wrote: we haven't even had any roleblocks aside from the doc one, so how the fuck would mafia kill a pgo? Sandroba could try to bore him to death. | ||
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On September 15 2011 10:25 Zona wrote: I've thought about this for way too long and don't want to anymore...after starting to think in crazy circles. ##Vote Palmar If you're town vote for the guy you've been calling scum since day 1. | ||
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On September 15 2011 10:55 Mig wrote: Zona do you really think there is a pgo in a game with no dts and 1 medic he cant kill? You said bum/ba were both scum before. Why are you voting with them now? There are 2 of us???? | ||
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On September 15 2011 11:34 Zona wrote: My case against bum is weaker now that it's likely I was roleblocked by wherebugsgo, not mafia. Palmar, however, still oozes scumminess, especially with the "game is solved" comment. I think your balance argument is reasonable, but I've already learned of certain mistakes I made when I tried to figure out the game setup by considering game balance, so I'm not relying on those. Dead town players whose judgement I respect, like Curu, also called out Palmar as scum, which contributes to my decision. Then if you are town it's game over. | ||
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4/5 on Palmar are scum. Do you really think sandroba is town? | ||
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On September 15 2011 11:43 sandroba wrote: Mafia is prob palmar/chaos/mig/bayonnet with jackal being a stuborn old man that thinks I'm mafia. =P I'm a focused in my prime alpha male that knows you are scum. | ||
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On September 15 2011 11:50 sandroba wrote: Jackal man, I know you like to tunnel me, but think a bit what have I done in this game and see for yourself if I'm mafia or not. You made promise after promise and didn't deliver? | ||
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On September 15 2011 11:52 bumatlarge wrote: sandroba you'd honestly put jackal who claimed parity that checked palmar as town? And you'd put bayonette as scum? Why? My parity info came from WBGs flip. You all know he is town. I know Palmars parity check came back as same. | ||
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On September 15 2011 11:54 BayonnetAnderson wrote: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCKFUCK GUESS WHAT? THE MAFIA HAS A POLITICIAN. WHO JUST BOUGHT MY VOTE. ##Vote: Bumatlarge SJKSFJKFDFSJKLWPOIHJFSHJUIOSDFGHS I AM GOING TO GO PUNCH KITTENS IN THE FACE. GAHHHH, I HATE THIS GAME. HSDKJASDHJFSDAHJSDA Bullshit. It doesn't matter though. It's a no lynch. We lose. | ||
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On September 15 2011 12:01 sandroba wrote: jackal, will you absolutely not switch to palmar? Because I'm considering switching to bum to either get this over with or in the off chance I'm wrong. No. I gotta go with the info I have. If Palmar is GF I'm fucked. If Palmar is GF I have no idea why he would have made the claim he did. He was in no danger of being lynched. If Palmar is GF town loses because of a random happenstance when I chose him for my null point. I gotta go with what info I have. | ||
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On September 15 2011 12:12 sandroba wrote: Who woulda guessed, I was right. Why isn't the game over? | ||
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Sandroba if you're town my apologies. But you sure didn't start the game like it. At yesterdays day post two players I would have bet big money on being scum were GGQ and Mig. Their votes were split. If Palmar is scum he's GF. His claim doesn't fit. Maybe he is maybe he isn't. I don't know. But if he's town that would explain why he didn't get hammered early. So ya scum have a bus driver/lawyer/framer or some shit in the mix. Palmar if you are scum I'm going to put you on my day 1 policy lynch list. | ||
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My brain has fallen out and is rolling around on the floor. I checked xtfftc and he came back as same. I have no idea what that makes him. WBG came back as same and he was town. ##VOTE: Palmar | ||
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On September 17 2011 18:59 xtfftc wrote: Is Palmar coaching you? No. I checked you. Although Mig doesn't believe me. Even though he says nobody can read you. Which is the reason I checked you. The results came back "same". So did Bugs. When I checked Palmar for my null he had been "lawyered" by Chaos13. I'm not scum bro. | ||
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On September 19 2011 10:24 GGQ wrote: When did you know I was sk? Was there any chance you were going to lynch sandroba? Probably about the same time I did. | ||
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On September 19 2011 10:35 Mig wrote: We had decided you were most likely SK once Bum flipped PGO. Xt was possible but less likely since it seemed more likely for Ace to give SK to a more experienced player, and then jackal was nice enough to check him and announce it in thread lol. Jackal obviously wasn't SK. Then sandroba didn't make as much sense kill wise, I didn't think he would have shot WBG day2. Combined with his drunken ranting about SKs which was much more likely to be something he would do as a discouraged townie. And I thought it was a lot more likely for sandroba to shoot me last night if he were the SK, based on you suspecting jackal in the thread. So there wasn't any real chance of me lynching sandroba. I almost claimed being the final scum so GGQ would shoot you instead of me but alas I was to sober. | ||
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You guys must have had a serious wtf moment and a good laugh at my expense. | ||
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On September 19 2011 14:44 Zona wrote: Sheesh, it's frustrating to play so seriously and invest so much effort without support from your team. I probably won't play as seriously as I did in this one in any games on TL for some time. Jackal, there's only a SINGLE thing I wish you had done differently in this game. Right here. I gave you what I thought was 100% unbreakable, completely logical evidence that Palmar was scum, regardless of whether or not you thought I was scum, Bayonnet was scum, or anything else that happened in the game...(like your alignment checks), and you didn't switch. Since you didn't switch and spouted a line about "go[ing] with the info I have", I was convinced you were another mafia, like Bayonnet, trying to avoid lynching Palmar with some shitty reasoning. Sigh. And depending on how quickly Mig sent in his second vote, you switching over could have changed everything. Plus I would then have entertained the idea that both Mig/chaos were scum instead of thinking chaos was the 4th earlier, then switching to thinking Mig later on. At that point I completely lost it. You had just spent 2 days trying to get Bum lynched. Then you did a complete 180. There wasn't a single person in this game that I had a town feeling about. And when Palmar claimed I couldn't come up with a single scenario in my mind that would compel scum to do what he just did. And I was right. He had no reason. If I had checked anybody else for my original null test this game would have been completely different. I picked Palmar because he had recently been dieing early as a townie. And I derped that one big time. He's died early as a townie in his last couple of games because I was the one that killed him on night 1. | ||
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