EPT##vote sinani206
Dude where the fuck is everyone?
Zona said he'd post later, that's fine. But no one else is around. I've been periodically checking the thread but it's pretty much just me and curu....wtf?
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
##vote sinani206 Dude where the fuck is everyone? Zona said he'd post later, that's fine. But no one else is around. I've been periodically checking the thread but it's pretty much just me and curu....wtf? | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On September 11 2011 09:32 Curu wrote: If sinani flips Town I will ask to be replaced and you guys can deal with Kurumi. Would rather not play when there are like two people actually giving effort to play this game. Ragequitting is not cool. Smarten up. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On September 11 2011 10:56 wherebugsgo wrote: I wouldn't blame him if he ragequitted, this game is really bad. But you're scum, so your opinion doesn't count. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
If no one else is willing to put any effort to play this game, I see no reason why I should either. But rather than lurk around as a mislynch or modkill, at least I'll give you guys the pleasure of dealing with Kurumi instead. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On September 11 2011 11:01 Curu wrote: If no one else is willing to put any effort to play this game, I see no reason why I should either. This is something we call pouting, and it is something eight year old girls do. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 11 2011 10:57 chaos13 wrote: But you're scum, so your opinion doesn't count. Dude, in the three games I've played with you, you have had the WORST reads of anyone. Try again. I'm not scum. | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On September 11 2011 11:08 wherebugsgo wrote: Dude, in the three games I've played with you, you have had the WORST reads of anyone. Try again. I'm not scum. lol meta defense. your scum bro | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
"you're Also, you're fucking terrible. | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
fuck your attitude sandroba, I miss you, buddy! what's up? talk to us. | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
Palmar basically took everything that made his chaotic playstyle Pro Town and removed it, keeping the anti Town and unhelpful elements while eliminating the parts that actually helped find scum. Jackal has been beyond useless which isn't like him as Town. I don't even know what the fuck sinani is doing. If he does flip Town he needs to be policy lynched day 1 of every game from here on out. | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
and yeah jackal's been quiet, it's kind of his style to do nothing for the first couple days, but he usually at least threatens people here and there. | ||
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BayonnetAnderson
United States60 Posts
sandroba ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/wYeM3.jpg) So, I was bored, so I went meta/lurker hunting, and I found the man of the hour, the person everyone seems to be willing to call out for lurking, yet no one seems to want to vote for or make a formal accusation of. Its time I changed that. Lets fliter sandroba and see what agenda he is pushing, what wonderful pro-town plans he has come up with, what awesome discussion he has begun. Here is his filter What jumps out at you right away? The guy has all of 10 posts! This is "active man" sandroba the guy who's posted such pro town sentiments as On July 25 2011 09:36 sandroba wrote: Sup people, I'd like to propose a new policy this game. Instead of lynching lurkers and liars, which produce no info whatsoever, we leave them to be shot at night by our vigs, if they exist. We can adjust acordingly if they fail to do their job. The policy is to lynch all non-sense. People are getting away too easily by throwing random acusations that make no sense to pretend to be scum hunting. This is to pressure mafia into skilfully captalizing into people's mistakes if they want to suceed and survive. They can't lurk, because they will be getting shot, and can't pretend to be dumb, cuz they will get lynched. Of course pressuring people is okay, but if you are pushing hard a lynch for a lynch based on shoody evidence I'll tunnel you into oblivion. and On August 14 2011 00:04 sandroba wrote: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.cracked.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/timepanties31.jpg) Okay people. First let's try to keep the posts regarding personality flavor to a bare minimum. This only helps mafia to hide, so don't go out of your way role playing. I know some people might have some posting restrictions, but know that posting any more fluf than you absolutely have to is anti-town behaviour and you WILL be held accountable for it. Now I want this question answered by everybody: Let's look at kurumi and his Bill Murray claim. Being BM, he could easily be VI trying to get lynched day1. He could also have a terrible posting restriction. Or he could be mafia trying to cause chaos. But we can't know for sure, so what I ask you is this: Do you think personalities point to aligment this game? Or do you think they only point towards role/posting style? My guess would be that some personalities would have a very high chance of being a certain aligment (i.e. ace is prob scum), but others not so much. Do we notice any policy post this game? Any suggestion that we vigi lurkers, or any point of discussion offered? Any attempt at generating controversy? No, we really don't. To anyone who has played with town sandroba in the past, this should be setting off every alarm bell in the system. We should be outright worried. this isn't how sandroba usually behaves. Lets be rational however, maybe its sandroba trying out a new style, trying a different method of playing, lets look at what he has actually contributed, maybe all our suspicion is unjustified, maybe he isn't posting plans because its a closed setup and he can't come up with anything, like talking about viging lurkers or avoiding tunnels or maintaining a pro-town atmosphere. Oh, wait, he says this, which is... fascinating. Its trying to *look* like one of his usual policy posts, but in reality its dodging discussion and not supporting his reasons. To me it looks like he is trying to emulate one of his usual policy/plan posts, but isn't willing to fully commit to it or the scrutiny it might put him under. So lets take a look at a couple of sandrobas wonderful contributions this game. On September 08 2011 08:04 sandroba wrote: Sup I don't think GGQ is scum. Suspcious people to me so far are iGrok and xfttfc whose behaviour day1 is 100% different than mafia xliv. xftc is being too absurdly confindent about his reads and even basing an entire scum team out of them when the game was only one page long (LOL). The whole notion is so ridiculous that to me it seems he is over compensating for his behaviour in the last game where he was townie and was found scummy by a lot of others. Makes no sense for a townie to throw acusations into 4 players this early with so little info, but it makes a lot of sense for scum to try to create this sort of confusion. I'd like you gather your thoughts and post in a more coherent manner until I decide if you are scum or not. You are right sandroba, throwing around suspicion *is* a mafia trait, great catch. I like how you mention iGrok in passing and don't actually say anything about him. Your description of xftc's behavior is pretty spot on, except your logic is all wrong. Scum *subtly* push lynches, they don't spearhead them, much less provide ridiculous scumlists, to me this looks like a shallow attempt to make an accusation out of almost no evidence. Notice how sandroba doesn't take a stance, notice how whishy washy the post is. He says X's (I'm never going to figure out how to spell his name) behavior "makes no sense for a townie", yet sandroba is willing to give him more time? He doesn't even vote for him, which is... odd... to say the least, considering how he just concluded town wouldn't be doing what X is doing. This post is worrying because its wishy-washy and non-committal Sandroba then proceeds to push suspicion onto iGrok by adding pressure to him, then out of the blue we have On September 09 2011 07:04 sandroba wrote: Alright TAA is the best lynch. No bullshit allowed here sir. ##Vote: TheAwesomeAll What the HELL? we went from this where sandroba was turning up the heat (yet oddly enough not voting, to this. Hint as a rule of thumb if you are on the same wagon as someone you consider suspicious you at least think twice about it. So, what does sandroba really do all of day 1? He pushes suspicion on two people, X and iGrok, defends GGQ and proceeds to vote for someone he hadn't even mentioned yet, with no reason given, can you say easy bandwagon? I could expand this post, looking at how he liked to push suspicion as scum, and how as town he is more active and questioning, but I don't honestly think its necessary, I'm pretty sure from what I've looked at alone we can tell he is scum. For those who dislike thinking, sandroba is scum because he 1.) Lurks like a madman, unlike his usual town play 2.) Shows wishy washyness 3.) Pushes suspicion around, something he had already said was anti-town 4.) Jumps on an easy bandwagon, with no justification 5.) People in the thread keep calling him out on being scum, and then proceed to do exactly nothing. Sandroba is scum ##Vote: Sandroba The LORD is righteous: he hath cut asunder the cords of the wicked. Let them all be confounded and turned back that hate Zion. Let them be as the grass upon the housetops, which withereth afore it groweth up: wherewith the mower filleth not his hand; nor he that bindeth sheaves his bosom. AMEN | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
BTW you were wrong on one thing, I already voted sandroba. Took it off to take care of trollinani though. Wanna kill sinani first, then we can kill sandroba? Honestly I don't care if sinani is town, I just want him dead. But I'm pretty sure he's scum anyway. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
I was shot AND roleblocked last night. I don't believe I was a realistic vig target, so I believe mafia performed both actions on me. Usually you wouldn't expect mafia to stack both actions on a target this way, but I'm guessing they spotted my breadcrumb in this post. You need to quote the post to see the breadcrumb "8 bang", which is supposed to represent a shot on player #8 on the list, bumatlarge. Why bumatlarge? On September 07 2011 11:40 bumatlarge wrote: Let's talk about irrelevant things in ace's game! This set-up is weird is completely closed so I'm gonna throw it out there that I think everyone has some sort of ability. Reread this post. This IS rolefishing! I'm disappointed that nobody else vigorously pursued this. He tries to obscure it with the "Let's talk about irrelevant things" part, but consider the possible scenarios which might have led him to post this. He was town and had an ability, which (1) somehow led to him thinking everyone else might have abilities. Furthermore, he thought that it would be (2) useful for town to consider this information despite the risk it would basically out himself to mafia as someone with an ability. Both (1) and (2) are really poor leaps of logic, and I don't expect a player like bumatlarge act so unwisely, especially when the guaranteed risk is outing that he has an ability, with the additional risk of encouraging other town players to out that they have an ability. Another possibility, he was town and had no ability. Him posting what he did under these circumstances makes even less sense, as he's now rolefishing as a vanilla townie. The final possibility is that he's mafia and rolefishing. I believe this is what is actually going on. Bumatlarge puts forwards the argument that the post was just "speculation" and not "role fishing". This is not a believable argument because it is something that is very detrimental to post as town. I myself didn't pursue this at the time, because by the time I had arrived to post in the game, the "hey rolefishing" discussion had morphed into something else and I didn't think I could bring it back to the forefront of town discussion. I had to let it go for the time being, and placed that breadcrumb instead. However, there is also additional supporting evidence against bumatlarge. Consider the JeeJee/GGQ/bumatlarge argument. bumatlarge jumps in with this gem of a post: On September 08 2011 06:27 bumatlarge wrote: Here you transformed "idle speculation" into "rolefishing". Bum: I think everyone has a role GGQ: 4 mafia; I agree JeeJee: rolefishing ? But then GGQ, instead of pointing this out, points a finger at me for something he initially agreed with. Congratulations! You found an "Inconsistency"! ##vote:ggq bumatlarge is piggybacking on an attack by JeeJee on GGQ, but the logic he uses is terrible and really forced. JeeJee is provoking GGQ, who is reacting, and bum jumps in accusing GGQ of not responding in a specific way, and joins JeeJee in voting him. (Sidenote: GGQ's reply to bum's initial rolefishing actually implies he has an ability, since the only way you can turthfully agree the statement that everyone has an ability is to at least have an ability of your own, and in this way GGQ becomes that much more attractive for mafia to pursue.) His later followup posts argues that, "GGQ could have pointed out that what he was doing was not rolefishing. Instead he gave an excuse about how he shouldn't be the focus. He had no intention of standing behind what he said," but GGQ's question about why JeeJee was focusing on GGQ, who was agreeing with bumatlarge's earlier statement, instead of bumatlarge, who was the first to post along those lines was a reasonable question to ask JeeJee. I am highly confident that bumatlarge is mafia. The rolefishing post he makes would be a tremendously detrimental post to make if he really is town. The poor logic he employs when he piggybacks on JeeJee's attack on GGQ is another piece of evidence. I also believe that the stacked mafia roleblock and shot on me after I breadcrumbed a shot on bumatlarge is an attempt to save him (and to remove a vigilante), but for this part you have to choose whether or not to believe that I was indeed both shot at and roleblocked. ##Vote bumatlarge As to the question about how the mafia would have spotted my breadcrumb, I don't want this to be the focus right now, but consider which players might quote the post in which I placed my breadcrumb: On September 10 2011 12:15 Zona wrote: Ack. I want to HEAR more from sandroba, mig, and sinani. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
As for bum, I neglected really looking at him hard in favor of other people yesterday. I agree with most of the things you've stated, Zona, When JeeJee flipped green I was inclined to look at GGQ, but I'm pretty sure that's how the exchange developed yesterday; I think mafia intentions were to set up GGQ to be a lynch target when JeeJee flipped green. GGQ's posts give me town vibes. Since I had earlier made the conclusion that one of GGQ/bum/JeeJee were probably mafia, bum is left to look at. I honestly haven't paid as much attention as I should have to bum, but he's a good target, and I would agree. As for the shot/roleblock, I don't really know what to think of that. I don't even know why you would've been a target yesterday. The quote part is hilarious. Out of Sandroba, Mig, and Sinani, IMO Mig is probably not scum, instead, Palmar might be. As Curu pointed out earlier Palmar promised to change his town play so he doesn't derp us all with his spamminess/trolling/tunneling. He didn't actually change it at all, he just made it worse so that all the antitown elements become emphasized. Curu's recent posts have given me reassurance that he's probably not mafia. I could still be wrong, but I don't think a townie would post like he has today. The two players that remain are xtfftc and Jackal. Xt I think is probably town, but like most of the players here there really isn't anything to go on there. I lean scum on Jackal. Viglist: sinani206 Lynchlist: Sandroba, bumatlarge, Jackal Watchlist: Palmar, xt If Sinani is vanilla town, bored, and just fucking with us then I'll be pissed. ##unvote sinani206 ##vote bumatlarge There are good reasons to leave sandroba and sinani alone today. Perhaps this vote will promote some discussion out of you fucks too. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
sorry i was testing a post and pressed post by accident >< | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On September 11 2011 13:58 wherebugsgo wrote: If Sinani is vanilla town, bored, and just fucking with us then I'll be pissed. i am town, not fucking with you, just trying a different playstyle. maybe i should have smurfed so people wouldnt yell at me for no reason. | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
That's why no one has pointed it out zona. On September 08 2011 07:18 bumatlarge wrote: I'm not going to waste energy explaining why votes in the first 2 minutes aren't helpful, you can achieve the same amount of pressure just talking about someone. GGQ could have pointed out that what he was doing was not rolefishing. Instead he gave an excuse about how he shouldn't be the focus. He had no intention of standing behind what he said if it brought focus on him, and in that JeeJee is completely justified in voting for him. And I've already stated that I disagree with JeeJee voting ggq early, because it was a vote based on nothing, an early vote with no reasoning behind it, which we shouldn't be doing. Now it's a solid vote and I will join him. Nothing was twisted in GGQ's post. He could have stood behind what he said, but now he's making it perfect obvious that there will be legitimate reasons for voting him. I'll try to come back tomorrow. If someone is acting like sinani, you can only ignore him or vote him, but don't insult him, you don't know whats going on in his life. I'm going to agree with bayonette atm, as sandroba has been completely different then his normal townie self, someone who immediately jumped on me in resurrection for posting fluff, and hung onto my throat until I was lynched. This seems much more like the sandroba in Sleeper Cell. ##Vote Sandroba Shame to see iGrok popped a strong town role, it was a smart shot regardless. GGQ is high on my list still after sandroba. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Vote him if he shows up and is still scummy, vote someone else for now. As for sinani, I don't care. If someone plays like that and straight up pisses over the game then I will call them out. I'm fine with "new playstyles" or whatever but that's not lurking, it's not trolling, it's just downright fucking annoying. | ||
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