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##Vote: Jackal58 OMGUS | ||
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Same reason as palmar, also town should want more time to discuss right? | ||
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On August 25 2011 07:41 TheFerryman wrote:If you are going to lynch cyber I want someone who is going to take responsibility for the lynch, rather than have a bunch of people push a green lynch and then say "he was stupid anyway, its his fault" and no-one ends up being responsible. You want him lynched Navillus? Are you willing to own up to it if he flips green? Why is the case against him more convincing than the case against wiggles? Now this is a standard scum play, let town accuse someone then set it up for the accuser to get lynched if the accused flips town this is illogical the full argument that you would need to accept to make this make sense includes it being impossible for a townie to mislynch, or to be wrong, I think we can all agree that this is not the case and this argument simply leads to what are essentially revenge lynches. That said I think there are scummier people this game, namely Cyber_Cheese, it could be argued that he isn't scum just playing badly, I happen to think both are true, he's just supported too scummy things for me to let him go. He likes random lynching, is saying he's fine taking the lynch, (if he were actually fine with it that might be a town thing but in what I've read people saying that tend to be scum) he's jumped all over the place with his voting with very little reasoning, and overall I'm getting the sense from him that he's trying really hard to stay active, but is just throwing things out there without actually thinking about anything (see his random voting, the giant listing of fractions, and his joke) and in general this attempt to stay really active gives me a really guilty feel from him SO ##Vote Cyber_Cheese | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + That said I think there are scummier people this game, namely Cyber_Cheese, it could be argued that he isn't scum just playing badly, I happen to think both are true, he's just supported too scummy things for me to let him go. He likes random lynching, is saying he's fine taking the lynch, (if he were actually fine with it that might be a town thing but in what I've read people saying that tend to be scum) he's jumped all over the place with his voting with very little reasoning, and overall I'm getting the sense from him that he's trying really hard to stay active, but is just throwing things out there without actually thinking about anything (see his random voting, the giant listing of fractions, and his joke) and in general this attempt to stay really active gives me a really guilty feel from him SO | ||
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On August 25 2011 10:33 Forumite wrote: There were some changes, I don´t think extension is something we can vote to get, instead the day is extended by 24 hours if we don´t have a majority vote, which is currently at 7 votes on the same person at the deadline. Oh thought he did that and left the vote, in that case- ##Unvote Actually I was going to do that anyway because I do not believe that Cyber_Cheese is scum, just really bad town. First off as he pointed out he has been extremely active and in the spotlight, now I attacked this in a post and it's WIFOM if we go back and forth saying "town stays active b/c they're confident" "scum tries harder to appear town" so I want to say both possibilities are left open but in general I believe it is much more of a townie thing to stay really active, and I think if he's as noobish as he seems, which I believe he is, then he would have stayed much quieter as mafia. Now the obvious question is why then did I attack him and vote for him? I did so to try to gauge reactions, I actually thought there was more time left to do so but there isn't so I'm pulling it back early. But I wanted to give people the chance to defend him and no one did, this is what makes me not want to lynch him. There are only 3 scum this game, and while their KP is not dependent on any of them surviving it still would be terrible for the scum if they lost 1/3 of their team day1. So the facts that this bandwagon formed extremely easily and no one has stepped up to defend Cyber_Cheese (the one possible exception was Ferryman trying to hold me responsible for any lynch on Cyber, but their later conversation convinced me they're not scumbuddies) make me think he's town enough that we should at least take an extension rather than lynch him right now. | ||
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##Vote tnkted I'Il explain more later but for now basically it's between him and Wiggles and I really don't see a case against wiggles I feel like it's just a lot of tunneling by ferryman where he decided that scum/EH will do X wiggles happened to do X first and now ferry's going after him until he's dead, to be clear I don't think that the X that ferryman thinks is a scum/EH tell is one. | ||
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On August 26 2011 14:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I'd be fine with that. The only way it screws up is if EA visits him randomly, or if mafia shoot him. He should make up his own mind about who he wants to visit, though. Ahhh this did not help you in my eyes, are you or are you not ok with it not, "I'm fine with it but he shouldn't" so for one I think mafia kills show up differently, actually [green]will a suicide be announced as a suicide, different from a murder[green] If suicides are announced differently then the only screw-up would be EH guessing right night1 There is a 1/11 chance of EH guessing correctly night1 which means if we do agree to check you and the psych dies the only way it wouldn't mean that you're EH is that 1/11 chance, and honestly I would auto-vote you on 10-1 odds, my question is would you accept this including getting lynched if the psych commits suicide, or are you really that worried about that 1/11 chance? | ||
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EBWOP will a suicide be announced as a suicide, different from a murder | ||
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##Unvote tnkted ##Vote Mr. Wiggles | ||
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On August 26 2011 23:11 Navillus wrote: you are all essentially voting for a no-lynch, that is scummy | ||
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On August 26 2011 23:43 Forumite wrote: I allready switched, just after the last votecount Oh huh for some reason I thought that had been someone else, anyway this no-lynch just makes me more suspicious of Wiggles. For now though I propose we agree to have the psychiatrist check him, as I said earlier there's a 1/11 chance that the EH actually guesses correctly night1, that means it's very very unlikely to get a false positive and no way to get a false negative I personally think this is a reliable checking method for EH. | ||
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I do agree that it's very possible that he's scum but his response to me asking if he was OK being checked was just too wishy-washy and looked like an attempt to not get checked | ||
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Didn't anyone ever teach you you're not supposed to start a sentence with "and"? | ||
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Ehhh, more specifics what made you look closely, what did you notice first, how did you see it? | ||
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##Visit Jackal (I say we keep using this format) because that was an almost unbelievable find though I will say that him catching the UMAD is at least believable, I'll look at it again but I did notice that the UMAD was much more noticeable than the I'm scum part. Also stronger FOS on Forumite that unvote just seemed like an "ok guys here's a reason not to vote him let's all jump off" unvote given by a scum buddy, I did consider unvoting when he claimed because he would be certain to die anyway but only after a lot of thought which I would have brought up in any post, I also ended up deciding against it. Forumite on the other hand completely accepts what he says and tries to make it a question of "ok he's a blue what should we do now?" not "is he a blue?" | ||
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On August 30 2011 06:26 Forumite wrote: It was an easy claim to go along with, because lying wouldn´t save him. Either he really is the psychologist and had found Chaos13, we didn´t get an answer from GM so we couldn´t disapprove it yet, or he´s a lying scum. If a psychologist then he dies during the next night, if he´s Scum then we lynch him the next day, but until then he might do some more scumslips and incriminate his buddies. See now if you had said this back then I would find it much more believable, but you didn't you completely assumed that he was being honest and didn't even bring up the possibility of him lying. | ||
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On September 01 2011 03:00 Erandorr wrote: I should probably add xplain that I underestimated playing in 2 mafia games at once(see palmar) Same happening to me I'll try to give some thoughts soon, I'm catching up/looking through posts now. | ||
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I've been going back and forth on this since ferry got killed, that plus forum's points puts him as my top vote atm. | ||
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##Vote Kurumi I just won't be able to get a read on him given his late switch and erandorr's lurking, now Kurumi I would like to know, who are your town reads and less importantly but still who are your scum reads? | ||
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Vote Eiii I think he can be right without being 100% right and right about both of us, I also ask that you look through my posts before today and see what read you get from those finally I probably won't be on again before the lynch but if I am it looks possible that we could end up 1 vote on me from a lynch (if not this doesn't matter) what I want to know is would you guys rather that I -knowing that I am green- lynch myself to gain information rather than have a no-lynch? At this point I really don't think we want a mislynch but with a no-lynch we could easily end up in the same spot tomorrow and if that really is what everyone thinks is best for town I will do it. | ||
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