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On September 05 2011 02:49 chaos13 wrote:
redFF - I'm just gonna write as I think and see what conclusion I come to. Sorry if this gets a little roundabout or spammy.
There have already been inconsistencies pointed out in his admittedly strange claim. He has only two checks, then he has two per day, and my personal favorite "Coroner must have died because I checked people." If your claim were true I am more than sure that iGrok would have sent you a PM saying "The coroner has died, you have become the new coroner, etc."
So I don't believe his claim. Does this make him mafia? Not necessarily. If you're town, I certainly hope you have a good reason for lying.
I want to save everyone some time here and tell you not to bother trying to get him to clear up his claim. He will stick to what he's said 100% despite all the contradictions in it. I recall an insane game I played with him on another site where he was mafia, fake claimed emperor with a ton of inconsistencies, lies, and contradictions and stubbornly refused to admit defeat when I called him out on every single one of them. From this I know that he's not afraid to fake claim as mafia. The problem is that I can't see the rest of his play coming from a mafia perspective in a normal game. But this is not a normal game. In other words, mafia have no fear of pushing a horrible lynch, because they don't have to be accountable for it. Looking at it that way, red's pushing for Varp D1 makes perfect sense as mafia.
Conclusion - I'm not gonna waste more time typing out my thoughts here. redFF is mafia and should be killed asap.
Jesus dude, think this over and look past WHAT red has been saying. Look at HOW he has been saying it.
Look carefully also at how fast the bandwagon on red started. You really think a mafia player would get bandwagoned that fast?
Then, on the other hand, look how freaking hard it is to get anyone to vote for bum/ON. Bum has been slipping through our fingers since yesterday, whereas ON just immediately goes into lurker mode as soon as he receives any attention whatsoever.
Finally, look at Ace's posts. Ace posts that I'm missing things and that I'm just speculating on shit when he either is purposely misunderstanding or purposely being misleading. He doesn't give a damn about the second lynch (knowing full well this is a double lynch setup) and says I shouldn't care about bum/ON because there's no case against them, despite my repeated clarifications that, YES, there IS a case against BOTH of them. In fact, never once does Ace actually even so much as acknowledge any of the arguments presented against bum+ON, claiming it's a waste of his time.
Look at how these three players post, and contrast it to the way red posts. You can't seriously believe red is scum based on behavior.
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On September 05 2011 03:18 bumatlarge wrote:
I cannot believe palmar and bugs can be this thick. RedFF's claim is BULLSHIT
THERE
IS
NO
WAY
THAT
CAN
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REAL
Sandroba just said himself that redff is hiding some aspect. Hopefully someone on redff is pious.
Please be try to be diligent townies. Chaos you're saying redff should be lynched asap yet you keep your vote on ON? What is everyone smoking? Please read what I put for sandroba before I most likely get lynched.
LOL why do you keep going on about sandroba? No one has CCed the RB claim, there's no reason for us to not believe sandroba on the RB. Second, sandroba has actually contributed reasonable logic to benefit the town atmosphere (unlike you, Ace, and especially ON). There are a bunch of events that add up to the reason we saw 3 kills on night 1 PLUS why you survived.
Everyone on redFF right now is mafia...
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Bum, if you are SOMEHOW town, change your vote to OriginalName ASAP.
Can we all agree that ON is pretty freaking scummy? He doesn't respond to posts or inquiries about scumreads, he doesn't contribute anything, and he's just gone under the radar this entire time.
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No his vote didn't count yesterday I believe
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On September 05 2011 03:49 Kenpachi wrote:
for testing purposes.
##unvote wherebugsgo
##vote OriginalName
I only want to see if Ace/Bum/ON might be the pious
There's no way we can tell who is pious. If red dies instead of bum it could easily mean someone voting bum got roleblocked instead.
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Voting situation:
Voting bumatlarge
sandroba
Palmar
wherebugsgo
Voting OriginalName
jcarlsoniv
chaos13
redFF
kenpachi
Voting redFF
OriginalName
Ace
bumatlarge
I have an idea that could be useful. Jcarl, vote for bum. sandroba, vote for ON.
If mafia intends to roleblock a voter to save bum/ON they'll roleblock someone on the bum list. This way if one of me/jon/palmar gets roleblocked we can claim it. Sandroba has already been roleblocked so we can potentially confirm him by putting him on the list with four people on it, AKA on ON.
Does this make sense? This eliminates some of the WIFOM if someone else actually gets roleblocked.
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fuckin dilemma we have here...
Is there any way we can lynch both ON and bum?
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Vote order:
Voting situation:
Voting bumatlarge
sandroba #1
Palmar #3
wherebugsgo #5
Voting OriginalName
jcarlsoniv #7
chaos13 #8
redFF #9
kenpachi #10
Voting redFF
OriginalName #4
Ace #2
bumatlarge #6
Numbers following the names indicate the voting number. Sandroba voted first, Ace voted second, etc.
So, it''s best for us NOT to switch any voters, because bum achieved 3 before red did, while ON has four.
bum achieved 3 before red did, so he's going to die first. Remember that bum voted for red after I voted for bum; this was why that voting time was crucial.
Our best hope is that there exists pious voters on bum/ON and the mafia choose an unlucky roleblock.
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so yeah jcarl, DON'T switch votes. There's still a possibility both ON and bum can get lynched if we keep the votes like they are now.
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I'm up for lynching kenpachi tomorrow if Ace gets vigged. I kinda doubt he's mafia though. It's just that we have to double lynch.
Assuming the dayvig kills Ace, the two options we have tomorrow are:
Lynching whichever one of ON/bum lives and kenpachi
Lynching whichever one of ON/bum lives and one of the zombie resses.
Kenpachi, if you have objections to this you better start posting and contributing right now.
If there is no dayvig/somehow Ace survives, we should lynch Ace and whichever one of ON/bum is still alive tomorrow.
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On September 05 2011 08:23 Ace wrote:
I play with the information I know, not like you idiots that still suck at this game.
He means we don't have the same information he does cause he's mafia.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On September 05 2011 08:59 bumatlarge wrote:
I am a Astute Lawyer. I can see how many votes were casted for an individual in the previous lynch. I checked sinani's list and saw 4 votes casted. That's why I think sandroba's claims are bullshit about being roleblocked, since there was a obviously a pious man on sinani's list. The only player alive on that list is jcarl, and by his actions where he was very suspicious of sandroba, I'm thinking he has to be the pious man. Sorry to betray you jcarl, but hopefully you survive the night and vote sandroba, because I guarantee you that you are right about his RB claim being fake.
LOOL
Nice fake claim. If this were true why didn't you CC Sandroba with this like 24 hours ago?
This is such bs
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Jackal and Drazerk I want you guys to weigh in on this, you guys have both been revived; sinani obviously already voted for bum.
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LOL. What's weird is that there were 3 revivals.
Do you just get informed you were revived, or what?
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Anyone get roleblocked yesterday?
On September 05 2011 04:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
Voting situation:
Voting bumatlarge
sandroba
Palmar
wherebugsgo
Voting OriginalName
jcarlsoniv
chaos13
redFF
kenpachi
Voting redFF
OriginalName
Ace
bumatlarge
This kinda shows bum's claim is BS. If jcarl is pious and there's no roleblocker then the only reason bum would've survived is if one of the voters on redFF was pious. I can't seriously believe that.
We need to lynch bum/Ace today since clearly the vig died or something. Let's assume the vig was varp and he's already dead.
Currently bumatlarge has two voters.
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We'll have to lynch ON again when he gets revived.
We have two votes on bum, we have the same number of people again. We can actually for sure kill two mafia today, since we lost one mafia member and gained 2? 3? townies.
Someone should open the voting on Ace, sinani and I have already put it in on bum. Get Ace and Bum both to 3 votes.
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On September 05 2011 09:31 Jackal58 wrote:
Bum is scum. His late claim is BS.
I was minion hit. I received a PM from iGrok when I died advising me to continue watching the game because I would be resurrected at the beginning of the next day. The only thing that fits that is a minion hit.
Okay so one of Drazerk/sinani is the zombie then. We kinda don't have to worry about lynching the zombie since Ace/bum are most certainly mafia and they take our KP.
Tomorrow we'll need to lynch ON/the zombie.
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