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On September 07 2011 04:58 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 23:41 Jackal58 wrote:On September 06 2011 22:34 sandroba wrote:
@jackal we know that priest is still alive (and not me because I've been roleblocked) based on the order the effects go through. Protect one wbg/chaos/kenpachi tonight, as one of those ought to be priest.
I'm a little puzzled about your claim and iGrok's flow chart of order of effects. How is a protection role even possible if other effects come after killing effects? huh? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11254029It's not in other effects. Order is Blocking Effects, Lynches, Killing effects, Other effects. It's a blocking effect. I block all evil doers from visiting a person during that day cycle. If I have chosen a person to protect and scum try to hit them or role block them they are blocked. Scum cannot target a person I am protecting. I have already picked the person I am protecting. I will in all likelihood continue to protect this person as long as I am still alive. No I'm not telling you who it is. Found it Hit OR role block he says. igrok's last post says that's not possible. Ace are you being purposely thick?
Ya because they can't visit them. Are you intentionally thick?
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On September 05 2011 09:42 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 09:41 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 05 2011 09:37 Jackal58 wrote:On September 05 2011 09:31 sinani206 wrote:OK, this is the deal. I am a Coroner. redFF was my Apprentice. When I was lynched Day 1, I had not used either of my checks (note: the role pm did not say there was a limit to checks per day) So redFF got them both when I died. He only used one, on Varpulis, but he said that he used one on me, too. But the thing is he knew that I was Coroner since he was my apprentice and decided to check someone else. So today, when I was revived, I was notified that I only had one check left. So I checked OriginalName, who was/is an inhibitor, to check how accurate the speculative scumteam of ON, bum, and Ace was. Obviously, from my information, it was pretty accurate. Everyone, vote for Ace and bum. I am much more sure about bum being scum, just because this is the first game I've played with Ace. Also, assuming we have a 1/1/1 scum team of Minion, Necromancer and Inhibitor, and that we only have one priest, one of the people revived today besides me has a power (one who must have been killed by the minion on Day 1) and the third person is a Zombie. Since we know it was a Minion shot that killed the second revival, and because Mafia had only 2 regular KP on Day 1, the Daywalker has not yet used his shot. If you feel confident, use your shot today, on Ace or bum. If not, we can just lynch both of them and win either way. EZ PZ. I agree with all of this. This leaves Drazerk as a Zombie. I'd say Daywalker shoot him, we lynch Bum and Ace. If we are wrong on one of them we should still destroy scum KP. Why isn't it possible that you're the zombie? Or even sinani? Because I was told when I died I would be ressed
This also contradicts the OP.
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I mean, no doubt he was a minion shot, but how the hell would he KNOW he was shot by the minion? The OP says no players are told how they are resurrected, I can't believe this claim based on what Jackal is insinuating.
From what it says in the OP I'd suppose that revived players are informed at the end of the daycycle that they've been revived, and upon their death that they MAY be revived. Jackal is saying he pretty much knew he would be revived from the PM he got about his death.
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On September 07 2011 05:03 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 09:42 Jackal58 wrote:On September 05 2011 09:41 jcarlsoniv wrote:On September 05 2011 09:37 Jackal58 wrote:On September 05 2011 09:31 sinani206 wrote:OK, this is the deal. I am a Coroner. redFF was my Apprentice. When I was lynched Day 1, I had not used either of my checks (note: the role pm did not say there was a limit to checks per day) So redFF got them both when I died. He only used one, on Varpulis, but he said that he used one on me, too. But the thing is he knew that I was Coroner since he was my apprentice and decided to check someone else. So today, when I was revived, I was notified that I only had one check left. So I checked OriginalName, who was/is an inhibitor, to check how accurate the speculative scumteam of ON, bum, and Ace was. Obviously, from my information, it was pretty accurate. Everyone, vote for Ace and bum. I am much more sure about bum being scum, just because this is the first game I've played with Ace. Also, assuming we have a 1/1/1 scum team of Minion, Necromancer and Inhibitor, and that we only have one priest, one of the people revived today besides me has a power (one who must have been killed by the minion on Day 1) and the third person is a Zombie. Since we know it was a Minion shot that killed the second revival, and because Mafia had only 2 regular KP on Day 1, the Daywalker has not yet used his shot. If you feel confident, use your shot today, on Ace or bum. If not, we can just lynch both of them and win either way. EZ PZ. I agree with all of this. This leaves Drazerk as a Zombie. I'd say Daywalker shoot him, we lynch Bum and Ace. If we are wrong on one of them we should still destroy scum KP. Why isn't it possible that you're the zombie? Or even sinani? Because I was told when I died I would be ressed This also contradicts the OP.
Ask iGrok. I can't speak for his reasons.
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On September 07 2011 05:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
I mean, no doubt he was a minion shot, but how the hell would he KNOW he was shot by the minion? The OP says no players are told how they are resurrected, I can't believe this claim based on what Jackal is insinuating.
From what it says in the OP I'd suppose that revived players are informed at the end of the daycycle that they've been revived, and upon their death that they MAY be revived. Jackal is saying he pretty much knew he would be revived from the PM he got about his death.
Ask iGrok.
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I'm pretty sure if we ask iGrok we'll get the same explanation I just provided, or a repetition of the OP.
None of this makes sense in the context of you being a medic. No town aligned player would out themselves like that, not a half decent one anyway.
The ONLY explanation is that you claimed to draw the mafia hit tonight but I somehow doubt that.
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Actually I did miss that one (weird since I searched for the phrase "block") but whatever. This basically comes down to Jackal's interpretation of his PM or a mod mistake. I'm just going to ignore it for now.
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And the fact that he said he knew how he was going to get ressed?
You can't seriously believe iGrok could make TWO glaring mistakes like that, could you?
Also I really don't trust your motivations when you're willing to get yourself lynched and are rather unwilling to provide opinions on this, Ace. Third party alignment is probably not likely in this setup but you really aren't doing much beneficial for town
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On September 07 2011 05:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm pretty sure if we ask iGrok we'll get the same explanation I just provided, or a repetition of the OP.
None of this makes sense in the context of you being a medic. No town aligned player would out themselves like that, not a half decent one anyway.
The ONLY explanation is that you claimed to draw the mafia hit tonight but I somehow doubt that.
Well maybe we're not all as freaking good as you are. I was hoping to shed some light on who was the Zombie. It was painfully obvious Sinani was ressed by the HP. I knew, whether through mistake or not, that the Minion hit me. That left Drazork as the Zombie. After seeing the shit fest you and Sandroba have kicked up over Ace, in hindsight yes, I should have kept my mouth shut. How the hell was I to know you guys were going to start a shit storm and ignore the player that is providing scum with .5 kp. Don't you dare pull that you're not very good bullshit on me. As soon as I ressed scum knew I was blue. As soon as I was ressed I knew I had an enormous target on me. Or aren't you bright enough to see that.
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Oh and the person I've targeted from evildoers today is ON.
You fucking figure it out.
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On September 07 2011 05:25 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 05:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm pretty sure if we ask iGrok we'll get the same explanation I just provided, or a repetition of the OP.
None of this makes sense in the context of you being a medic. No town aligned player would out themselves like that, not a half decent one anyway.
The ONLY explanation is that you claimed to draw the mafia hit tonight but I somehow doubt that. Well maybe we're not all as freaking good as you are. I was hoping to shed some light on who was the Zombie. It was painfully obvious Sinani was ressed by the HP. I knew, whether through mistake or not, that the Minion hit me. That left Drazork as the Zombie. After seeing the shit fest you and Sandroba have kicked up over Ace, in hindsight yes, I should have kept my mouth shut. How the hell was I to know you guys were going to start a shit storm and ignore the player that is providing scum with .5 kp. Don't you dare pull that you're not very good bullshit on me. As soon as I ressed scum knew I was blue. As soon as I was ressed I knew I had an enormous target on me. Or aren't you bright enough to see that.
LOL nice emotional appeal mate
I can't take you seriously when your contradictions line up with a defense post that isn't reasoned or thought out, it's full of emotional personal attacks. That's a mafia tactic.
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On September 07 2011 05:33 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 05:25 Jackal58 wrote:On September 07 2011 05:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm pretty sure if we ask iGrok we'll get the same explanation I just provided, or a repetition of the OP.
None of this makes sense in the context of you being a medic. No town aligned player would out themselves like that, not a half decent one anyway.
The ONLY explanation is that you claimed to draw the mafia hit tonight but I somehow doubt that. Well maybe we're not all as freaking good as you are. I was hoping to shed some light on who was the Zombie. It was painfully obvious Sinani was ressed by the HP. I knew, whether through mistake or not, that the Minion hit me. That left Drazork as the Zombie. After seeing the shit fest you and Sandroba have kicked up over Ace, in hindsight yes, I should have kept my mouth shut. How the hell was I to know you guys were going to start a shit storm and ignore the player that is providing scum with .5 kp. Don't you dare pull that you're not very good bullshit on me. As soon as I ressed scum knew I was blue. As soon as I was ressed I knew I had an enormous target on me. Or aren't you bright enough to see that. LOL nice emotional appeal mate I can't take you seriously when your contradictions line up with a defense post that isn't reasoned or thought out, it's full of emotional personal attacks. That's a mafia tactic.
No that's my response to somebody calling me a dumbass.
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On September 07 2011 05:34 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 05:33 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 07 2011 05:25 Jackal58 wrote:On September 07 2011 05:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm pretty sure if we ask iGrok we'll get the same explanation I just provided, or a repetition of the OP.
None of this makes sense in the context of you being a medic. No town aligned player would out themselves like that, not a half decent one anyway.
The ONLY explanation is that you claimed to draw the mafia hit tonight but I somehow doubt that. Well maybe we're not all as freaking good as you are. I was hoping to shed some light on who was the Zombie. It was painfully obvious Sinani was ressed by the HP. I knew, whether through mistake or not, that the Minion hit me. That left Drazork as the Zombie. After seeing the shit fest you and Sandroba have kicked up over Ace, in hindsight yes, I should have kept my mouth shut. How the hell was I to know you guys were going to start a shit storm and ignore the player that is providing scum with .5 kp. Don't you dare pull that you're not very good bullshit on me. As soon as I ressed scum knew I was blue. As soon as I was ressed I knew I had an enormous target on me. Or aren't you bright enough to see that. LOL nice emotional appeal mate I can't take you seriously when your contradictions line up with a defense post that isn't reasoned or thought out, it's full of emotional personal attacks. That's a mafia tactic. No that's my response to somebody calling me a dumbass.
Yes, because clearly someone called you a dumbass.
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On September 07 2011 05:36 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 05:34 Jackal58 wrote:On September 07 2011 05:33 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 07 2011 05:25 Jackal58 wrote:On September 07 2011 05:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm pretty sure if we ask iGrok we'll get the same explanation I just provided, or a repetition of the OP.
None of this makes sense in the context of you being a medic. No town aligned player would out themselves like that, not a half decent one anyway.
The ONLY explanation is that you claimed to draw the mafia hit tonight but I somehow doubt that. Well maybe we're not all as freaking good as you are. I was hoping to shed some light on who was the Zombie. It was painfully obvious Sinani was ressed by the HP. I knew, whether through mistake or not, that the Minion hit me. That left Drazork as the Zombie. After seeing the shit fest you and Sandroba have kicked up over Ace, in hindsight yes, I should have kept my mouth shut. How the hell was I to know you guys were going to start a shit storm and ignore the player that is providing scum with .5 kp. Don't you dare pull that you're not very good bullshit on me. As soon as I ressed scum knew I was blue. As soon as I was ressed I knew I had an enormous target on me. Or aren't you bright enough to see that. LOL nice emotional appeal mate I can't take you seriously when your contradictions line up with a defense post that isn't reasoned or thought out, it's full of emotional personal attacks. That's a mafia tactic. No that's my response to somebody calling me a dumbass. Yes, because clearly someone called you a dumbass.
On September 07 2011 05:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm pretty sure if we ask iGrok we'll get the same explanation I just provided, or a repetition of the OP.
None of this makes sense in the context of you being a medic. No town aligned player would out themselves like that, not a half decent one anyway.
The ONLY explanation is that you claimed to draw the mafia hit tonight but I somehow doubt that.
Half your posts in this game are condescending to the person you disagree with. I suck as town because I claimed? I suck as town because I wanted town to know who the Zombie was? I suck as town because scum know I'm blue? I suck as town because Sandroba asked me to claim since he understood that scum knows I'm blue? I suck as town because I know how you derps act if somebody doesn't comply with your wishes? I suck as town because iGrok either accidentally or intentionally told me I would be resurrected?
Stick it in you ear Bugs.
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On September 05 2011 09:55 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 09:50 sandroba wrote:
Also we should not lynch zombie today. We lynch bum who is 100% scum and ace who is 95% scum. That will keep kp neatly at one even if the game is not over somehow, so killing off ressed players is a waste today. I agree. Drazerk is not lynch bait. Anybody that votes for him is scum or dumb. He is a good day vig shot though. Nothing personal Drazerk but reading the thread while I was dead leads me to the conclusion that sinani was ressed and you are reanimated.
BTW Jackal just contradicted himself wrt to the zombie.
If I'm reading this (and his most recent post) correctly he's saying me and sandroba have started a shitstorm over Ace while completely ignoring the 0.5 KP zombie res that is Drazerk.
Well, if you thought that was a problem before why would you say that anyone who votes Drazerk would either be scum or dumb?
Either we're ignoring Drazerk because we're scumbuddies or we're ignoring Drazerk because we know there are mafia left to lynch. Make up your mind man
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On September 07 2011 05:47 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 05:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 07 2011 05:34 Jackal58 wrote:On September 07 2011 05:33 wherebugsgo wrote:On September 07 2011 05:25 Jackal58 wrote:On September 07 2011 05:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm pretty sure if we ask iGrok we'll get the same explanation I just provided, or a repetition of the OP.
None of this makes sense in the context of you being a medic. No town aligned player would out themselves like that, not a half decent one anyway.
The ONLY explanation is that you claimed to draw the mafia hit tonight but I somehow doubt that. Well maybe we're not all as freaking good as you are. I was hoping to shed some light on who was the Zombie. It was painfully obvious Sinani was ressed by the HP. I knew, whether through mistake or not, that the Minion hit me. That left Drazork as the Zombie. After seeing the shit fest you and Sandroba have kicked up over Ace, in hindsight yes, I should have kept my mouth shut. How the hell was I to know you guys were going to start a shit storm and ignore the player that is providing scum with .5 kp. Don't you dare pull that you're not very good bullshit on me. As soon as I ressed scum knew I was blue. As soon as I was ressed I knew I had an enormous target on me. Or aren't you bright enough to see that. LOL nice emotional appeal mate I can't take you seriously when your contradictions line up with a defense post that isn't reasoned or thought out, it's full of emotional personal attacks. That's a mafia tactic. No that's my response to somebody calling me a dumbass. Yes, because clearly someone called you a dumbass. Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 05:10 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm pretty sure if we ask iGrok we'll get the same explanation I just provided, or a repetition of the OP.
None of this makes sense in the context of you being a medic. No town aligned player would out themselves like that, not a half decent one anyway.
The ONLY explanation is that you claimed to draw the mafia hit tonight but I somehow doubt that. Half your posts in this game are condescending to the person you disagree with. I suck as town because I claimed? I suck as town because I wanted town to know who the Zombie was? I suck as town because scum know I'm blue? I suck as town because Sandroba asked me to claim since he understood that scum knows I'm blue? I suck as town because I know how you derps act if somebody doesn't comply with your wishes? I suck as town because iGrok either accidentally or intentionally told me I would be resurrected? Stick it in you ear Bugs.
No, actually this is precisely the opposite of what I'm saying.
I consider you a good player. I think a good player, when aligned with town, would NEVER claim medic, flip or no flip. The only exception is a fake claim in orderto draw the mafia hit, and I find this extremely unlikely because of the zeal with which you protect your claim and yourself.
The only other solution to that is that you're mafia.
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I should clarify, the zeal with which you protect your claim despite it being contradictory (and these two contradictions being confirmed in the OP and by a mod clarification)
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On September 07 2011 05:48 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 09:55 Jackal58 wrote:On September 05 2011 09:50 sandroba wrote:
Also we should not lynch zombie today. We lynch bum who is 100% scum and ace who is 95% scum. That will keep kp neatly at one even if the game is not over somehow, so killing off ressed players is a waste today. I agree. Drazerk is not lynch bait. Anybody that votes for him is scum or dumb. He is a good day vig shot though. Nothing personal Drazerk but reading the thread while I was dead leads me to the conclusion that sinani was ressed and you are reanimated. BTW Jackal just contradicted himself wrt to the zombie. If I'm reading this (and his most recent post) correctly he's saying me and sandroba have started a shitstorm over Ace while completely ignoring the 0.5 KP zombie res that is Drazerk. Well, if you thought that was a problem before why would you say that anyone who votes Drazerk would either be scum or dumb? Either we're ignoring Drazerk because we're scumbuddies or we're ignoring Drazerk because we know there are mafia left to lynch. Make up your mind man
Where did I contradict myself? I said if I had known what the day was going to bring I would never have opened my mouth about who the Zombie was. Nobody has mentioned his name in the last 8 pages.
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On September 07 2011 05:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
I should clarify, the zeal with which you protect your claim despite it being contradictory (and these two contradictions being confirmed in the OP and by a mod clarification)
Show me the mod clarification.
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Okay, it's difficult for me to quote shit on this phone so I'll be back in like 30 minutes when I have computer access.
Town needs to weigh in on this, we have only 3 hours to establish this. If I'm blatantly wrong about anything please point it out. (I'm looking at you, sandroba, chaos, jcarl, sinani, drazerk, anyone else who wishes to provide opinions)
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