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Having some trouble with my buddy who is on long island right now, with hurricane irene, I'll start reading through the thread, but for now I'll just defend BB's actions, as they are perfectly reasonable from where I'm sitting, and I foolishness' analysis has quite a few flaws. I'm hearing foolishness got shot as well? I'd like to hear or have a quote explaining that please. You already mislynched twice, so number 3 will probably seal the game. BB is acting exactly how he does as town every game, and iirc, foolishness is someone who likes to compare posting histories. Him leaving that out is either lazy or desperate. Can someone quote a mig analysis as well?
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On August 27 2011 09:25 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 09:24 bumatlarge wrote:Having some trouble with my buddy who is on long island right now, with hurricane irene, I'll start reading through the thread, but for now I'll just defend BB's actions, as they are perfectly reasonable from where I'm sitting, and I foolishness' analysis has quite a few flaws. I'm hearing foolishness got shot as well? I'd like to hear or have a quote explaining that please. You already mislynched twice, so number 3 will probably seal the game. BB is acting exactly how he does as town every game, and iirc, foolishness is someone who likes to compare posting histories. Him leaving that out is either lazy or desperate. Can someone quote a mig analysis as well? "I stand by BB's actions" "I haven't read the thread" All aboard scum slip ship!
Yes just like i read how you mislynched twice and read foolishness analysis on bb. Is there a point of the day I can catch you not being stupid?
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On August 27 2011 09:58 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 09:38 bumatlarge wrote:On August 27 2011 09:25 Kurumi wrote:On August 27 2011 09:24 bumatlarge wrote:Having some trouble with my buddy who is on long island right now, with hurricane irene, I'll start reading through the thread, but for now I'll just defend BB's actions, as they are perfectly reasonable from where I'm sitting, and I foolishness' analysis has quite a few flaws. I'm hearing foolishness got shot as well? I'd like to hear or have a quote explaining that please. You already mislynched twice, so number 3 will probably seal the game. BB is acting exactly how he does as town every game, and iirc, foolishness is someone who likes to compare posting histories. Him leaving that out is either lazy or desperate. Can someone quote a mig analysis as well? "I stand by BB's actions" "I haven't read the thread" All aboard scum slip ship! Yes just like i read how you mislynched twice and read foolishness analysis on bb. Is there a point of the day I can catch you not being stupid? I mislynched twice ? I only lynched hiro and shot Palmar . Also calling people stupid does not make You clever , You know .
Well I'm not gonna yell at you for shooting palmar even if he was town, wink wink. I'm refering to town mislynching, not just you.
Where is the Mig analysis, he's got quite the huge wagon on him, and someone said he claimed blue?
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On August 27 2011 03:15 Foolishness wrote:
I am going to take this opportunity to point out that Mig's only comment about my BrownBear accusation is "I am not linked to BrownBear". Even though the link is the core of my analysis, that's not the only reason I'm suspicious of BrownBear. As I stated many times in my analysis, BrownBear has yet to post his own opinion (he hasn't posted any analysis that wasn't posted by another player before him), he's been very dodgy about responding to people, and he refused to comment about Mig (why would he ignore a huge town issue?).
I think that's a fairly useless accusation you are bringing up about BB restating what people are saying to, but then calling him out on not explaining his votes. I find it hard to believe that massive xffct thing wasn't his own. I don't think repetition is a conclusive method in finding scum.
These things I've just listed have nothing to do with Mig's alignment.
I believe that if Mig was town, his response to my analysis against BrownBear would be "Foolishness you're wrong, I'm not linked to BrownBear. However all your other points about BrownBear are really condemning. Let's kill BrownBear and I'll prove myself to you." Even if you are a tracker why would you be so adamant about getting chaos13 killed when you know perfectly well that most everyone here would gladly lynch BrownBear? Of course chaos13 is 95% mafia if you really are a tracker, but that would be something you would post before day ends in case we lynch you. BrownBear is your replacement lynch, not chaos13.
My point is that you failed to comment about the case against BrownBear. Just like BrownBear failed to comment about the case against you. Just like everyone else in my mafia list (Rayzor, Vain, Barundar, Erandorr) failed to comment about you. When I'm mafia I hate having to talk about my mafia buddies in the thread, because it's so hard to fake an opinion when you know the truth.
The analysis I've done this game is centered around the ideas that mafia hate having to take a firm stance about an issue, and that mafia hate having to talk about their members.
As Mig pointed out, I was hesitant today to respond to Mig's posts because I feel like I cannot objectively read them. Anything I read of Mig's I just see the mafia in him. But other people (particularly Curu and wherebugsgo) have been able to analyze his arguments today without the subjectivity that I have, and they still want to kill Mig. That's all the proof I need that Mig is the correct lynch choice today.
##Vote: Mig
I still want to hear from people about nard, Lucidity, and Trotske/iGrok (those who haven't given their opinions yet).
You don't think that's a bit shallow? Centering your analysis around a concept can be fairly damning. I have serious doubts that you're trap was as concrete as you make it out to be. Not referring to someone can lead to huge oversights, and that's exactly what happened to BB. You're idea was convoluted and distracting and a massive failure. I have doubts about Mig, if "anything I read... I just see mafia in him" is your excuse, and you're trusting other people's opinions rather then forming real reasons yourself.
Why is foolishness not being more heavily considered? If I was mafia, I would have doublestacked him night 2, because he would be a dangerous townie to go against. I don't believe the RB was used night 1, and I don't think he took a hit. His bullshit ways of finding scum do not produce results, as I can see first hand. It's a little bit of bad luck that I popped into these shoes foolishness, because you were certainly expecting an easy bandwagon onto BB through your bullshit connections when there is nothing concrete on BB AT ALL. You say that right here yourself.
##Vote Foolishness
I guarantee I am right. Please read through this thread like I have done and this becomes perfectly clear.
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On August 27 2011 11:20 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 11:09 bumatlarge wrote:
If I was mafia, I would have doublestacked him night 2, because he would be a dangerous townie to go against.
Is it just coincidence that BrownBear nearly said the exact same thing? You clearly did not read my analysis against BrownBear. Just like Mig didn't read it. BrownBear wasn't voicing his own opinion nor did he show he cared about the town at all. That has nothing do with what alignment Mig. I would have rather killed you today than Mig but I felt it too mean to not give you a chance to defend yourself. So you got it, I hope you make it count. It's likely the mafia roleblocked Palmar, or were planning to have either Mig or BrownBear claim it. They might have used it on someone thinking they were a veteran (that's what they did with me). If you want to be a Pyrrhuloxia that's fine with me, but until you read the thread and post a decent analysis I don't feel the need to respond to you.
You just did, you're reasoning is bad, and the excuses you give for voting people is bad. I did read the thread and I focused on the analyses. You accuse BB of not giving his real opinions yet you accuse him of avoiding discussing mig because he gave a huge analysis on xtttc. You said yourself that you would vote BB over Mig yet you clearly state that you think Mig is scum over BB. I am BB, so you can't begin to divulge onto the subject of me refering to whoever since I just came into the game with full knowledge of what your methods are. Using it now especially is 100% WIFOM.
You are leading town into a bad direction by telling them that this is how you scumhunt. I'm not believing your story until you are truly confirmed, and one medic is dead, so it's convenient how that works. I am not fine with killing Mig, because you are the one spearheading it.
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On August 27 2011 11:38 Curu wrote:
Oh come on bumatlarge, put down the chainsaw/OMGUS glasses for a second, read the thread, and tell us who your other scumreads are. Foolishness is the least likely person to be Mafia at this point.
What qualifies him as least likely to be mafia? Getting hit and RB'd?
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Oh well fuck me, fine then foolishness  Im sorry lol I'll read the thread closer. Thought I specifically checked for that. It's still faulty reasoning. At least I have a whole day to look more into everything.
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Well that's good, but it probably doesn't make me look much better since this only makes foolishness' little plan look decent. I'll see what I can do to change people's minds.
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I think I've thoroughly defended myself and BB's actions. Foolishness said himself that BB was mostly guilty through connections, which I find incredibly faulty, and a majority of his analysis was based on BB's lack of original opinions and reasoning for what he did. I don't believe that was true at all, and I especially felt BB's xttc analysis was very much his own and I saw multiple points that I did not see posted by people foolishness said he copied.
Why I am still under heavy consideration is beyond me. I'll address the suspects listed one by one so you can have my opinion, and you can't blame me for restating because I've barely read the thread! jk
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Nard
I think his activity fell off a cliff at some point, but there are some interesting tidbits. Early on, I don't see anything in his posting that reads scum, until the point where he goes for Hiro and explains fairly clearly why and defends Mig. It seems like an honest town thing, but then when the Mig bandwagon got going the second day, he slunk his way around while voting for me. He's probably scum, because when people don't offer more to be analysed, it's probably because they don't want to be. I'd stand behind a nard lynch.
Lucidity
He seems to be the opposite of nard, being more active later and not active at all early. First lynch he floated unto sevryn without a problem, second lynch he went on to hiro and called Mig and Palmar scum buddies, but when the day 3 lynch and Mig steps up to the plate he conveniently votes me and ignores the Mig wagon. Scummier then nard.
Trotske/iGrok
Trotske seems very townie up until he gets replaced. He seemed content on sevryn but was very open to changing his vote and keeping his eyes open like a good person should. iGork seems very clear-headed, and seemed to replicate trotske's townie ways. Plus he made that awesome PWright image, how could he not be town.
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I don't see rayzorflash as being scum as much as lucidity or nard, he falls under the trotske/igork category. Are there bigger reasons as to why he's going to get lynched tomorrow?
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On August 28 2011 02:43 iGrok wrote:
Ok guys, I need to drive for the next 3-5 hours. So I'll see you when I get back!
Kurumi, I'm looking forward to your flavor text!
Also interested in Batman's take on Foolishness!
I gave my take, I called him scum then he showed me concrete proof that he was confirmed. I'd rahter not relive the experience lol
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On August 28 2011 02:22 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 02:09 chaoser wrote:On August 28 2011 01:32 Foolishness wrote:On August 28 2011 01:20 bumatlarge wrote:
I think I've thoroughly defended myself and BB's actions. Foolishness said himself that BB was mostly guilty through connections, which I find incredibly faulty, and a majority of his analysis was based on BB's lack of original opinions and reasoning for what he did. I don't believe that was true at all, and I especially felt BB's xttc analysis was very much his own and I saw multiple points that I did not see posted by people foolishness said he copied.
Why I am still under heavy consideration is beyond me. I'll address the suspects listed one by one so you can have my opinion, and you can't blame me for restating because I've barely read the thread! jk What do you think of the following 3 people then? 1) nard 2) Lucidity 3) Trotske/iGrok Foolishness, what are your takes on them? I asked before and you didn't answer. Oh right, I was distracted with the lynch at the time. 1) Not entirely sure at the moment. Last time I read through his posts I saw it going both ways. His inactivity level over the past day or two is really disturbing though. Day 1 he seemed a lot more active. 2) Not mafia, Lucidity is putting himself out there too much. I don't think a mafia would risk drawing attention to them self at this point in the game. Also Lucidity called me mafia at one point. If Lucidity knew that Mig was mafia I don't think he would try to call me mafia in the thread right as I'm gunning for his teammate. 3) I thought Trotske was mafia, but I think iGrok is town. At this point iGrok seems to be here and posting (which was more than Trotske) so I think we can put him aside for a day or two.
I don't think you're reasons for lucidity being town are great. I thought his attack on you was very lack luster and not conclusive in determining alignment. What did you think about going back on all that and voting me instead of Mig?
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Oh thats a claim for sure, you should probably just claim you're stuff now igrok i dont know why you would wait.
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Pretty silly chaser, i think we would have been fine with just going with foolishness on nard, but I highly doubt you are lying about your check. We should check Vains history to match up with chaosers claim, and by we I mean me. For now my votes going on him. I trust chaoser is telling the truth, and he's a strong town read.
##vote vain
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Nard is a great vig hit, but we delaying chaosers claim isn't smart this late in the game.
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There is no double lynch right?
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Kurumi backstabbed by his polish writing habits! I'm feeling pretty good about this game, even if people are still making me out to be scum. Nard and vain are certainly scum, and then we would only need one more to bring mafia KP to 1. Voting nard for majority purposes.
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On August 29 2011 04:24 BrownBear wrote:
apologies for backing out - I've finally made it partially through the ever-so-fun experience of travelling into hurricane Irene. The storm passed me over, but buses along the east coast are still screwed so I'm not out of the woods yet. At least I don't have to fly anymore!
Just wanted to let you guys know why I disappeared - damn weather :/ Sorry again!
You wanna switch back in? I think I've done a good job helping town BUT PEOPLE KEEP SAYING LYNCH BB, IM BUMATLARGE SHIT PEOPLE
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I assumed vain would be the good lynch to certify chaoser faster, but if hes gonna get shot tonight anyway it doesn't make a difference to me, both vain and nard are scum. I think you are reading a little too much into my posts WBG, not only are you calling me scum but now im a guaranteed framer lol?
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Viscera not so much rayzor and xt are pretty scummy. I think that's enough because thats how people analyze individuals around here, by saying they are scummy.
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On August 29 2011 06:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also I like how you dodged my question, of who's going to get shot tonight. Care to explain that statement?
A claimed DT will get shot tonight apparently i have to be mafia to know that
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On August 29 2011 06:25 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 05:34 bumatlarge wrote:
Viscera not so much rayzor and xt are pretty scummy. I think that's enough because thats how people analyze individuals around here, by saying they are scummy. That's enough because you don't want to leak information. Viscera is mafia as well. Rayzor and xt are probably clean.
Ok I get it now, lol. You're just trying to divert a lynch off vain on to me. You're not using any reasoning behind your arguments against me and instead derailing on to impertinent topics to make it look like you might actual be going somewhere with this. This won't work on me, you're trying to lie to the devil here.
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Well here wbg, I'll spoiler my defense because you are right that it is silly to waste time on it. If you think im scum vote me tomorrow, and whoever else thinks I'm scummier then vain. There are still people here that will be smart enough to not vote me.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 29 2011 08:41 wherebugsgo wrote:Alright guys, WALL OF TEXT. Sorry again  However, this is VERY important. Today's lynch will be nard, but all of this information will be VERY pertinent tomorrow. I urge you all to read this post carefully. I know it's long, but it needs to be done. Incoming are analyses of the following players: BUMATLARGE (framer) and VAIN (town)Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 06:29 bumatlarge wrote:On August 29 2011 06:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
Also I like how you dodged my question, of who's going to get shot tonight. Care to explain that statement? A claimed DT will get shot tonight apparently i have to be mafia to know that You kinda do have to be mafia to know who will be shot tonight, but that wasn't even my aim. The way you answer my posts and my provocations indicates that you are mafia to me. You don't substantiate anything, and you leave your post with this: Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 05:34 bumatlarge wrote:
I think that's enough because thats how people analyze individuals around here, by saying they are scummy. Without even a hint of inclination toward contributing to town efforts. You haven't done much this game (thanks to that replacement) so I find it really funny that you're so scummy. The fact that you can derive a read from a person saying a claimed DT will get shot shows everyone exactly what your underlying goal is here. Nard is lynched, mafia team has 4 people, vain gets lynched its down to 3, which is a dangerous number to sit at for mafia, as the difference between 2kp and 1kp is drastic. The longer that mafia has 3 players the more likely they can beat us. If this is what it will come down to we'll have an easier time then I thought rooting the rest of you out. Let us all take a look, shall we? + Show Spoiler [bumfirstpost] +On August 27 2011 09:24 bumatlarge wrote:Having some trouble with my buddy who is on long island right now, with hurricane irene, I'll start reading through the thread, but for now I'll just defend BB's actions, as they are perfectly reasonable from where I'm sitting, and I foolishness' analysis has quite a few flaws. I'm hearing foolishness got shot as well? I'd like to hear or have a quote explaining that please. You already mislynched twice, so number 3 will probably seal the game. BB is acting exactly how he does as town every game, and iirc, foolishness is someone who likes to compare posting histories. Him leaving that out is either lazy or desperate. Can someone quote a mig analysis as well? So, what have I highlighted, and why? First: I'll just defend BB's actions...well, of course you will. Defending yourself isn't necessarily scummy, persay, but here you're not even defending yourself, you're defending BB's actions. You are a different person than BB. There is no reason to defend BB so much, as you can establish yourself as a townie by actually contributing.As far as I could see BB was on the pedestal with mig for hanging, and it would be incredibly bad if we didn't lynch mig at that point. Defending BB was practically my purpose coming into the game, and it paid off. 1 mafia dead and we haven't lost yet. I highlighted the mislynch part because it will come into play later in my post.
I highlighted the last sentence, about the Mig analysis, because it is indirectly contradicted later. (and then reaffirmed after that, by a suggestion that you haven't read the thread) Basically this question is asking for help in reading the thread, later you say you've read the thread, and even later than that you say you haven't. So not reading the thread makes me scum? You say "indirectly" because there is nothing contradictory about it. The fact that I'm inquiring about mig's situation is exactly the opposite of what you just said that I'm only focused on defending myself. Finally, the last part of the second sentence is really funny: Foolishness's analysis has quite a few flaws. If it has "quite a few" of them, why were none of them listed? + Show Spoiler [3rdpost[/spoiler] +On August 27 2011 11:09 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 03:15 Foolishness wrote:
I am going to take this opportunity to point out that Mig's only comment about my BrownBear accusation is "I am not linked to BrownBear". Even though the link is the core of my analysis, that's not the only reason I'm suspicious of BrownBear. As I stated many times in my analysis, BrownBear has yet to post his own opinion (he hasn't posted any analysis that wasn't posted by another player before him), he's been very dodgy about responding to people, and he refused to comment about Mig (why would he ignore a huge town issue?). I think that's a fairly useless accusation you are bringing up about BB restating what people are saying to, but then calling him out on not explaining his votes. I find it hard to believe that massive xffct thing wasn't his own. I don't think repetition is a conclusive method in finding scum. Show nested quote +These things I've just listed have nothing to do with Mig's alignment.
I believe that if Mig was town, his response to my analysis against BrownBear would be "Foolishness you're wrong, I'm not linked to BrownBear. However all your other points about BrownBear are really condemning. Let's kill BrownBear and I'll prove myself to you." Even if you are a tracker why would you be so adamant about getting chaos13 killed when you know perfectly well that most everyone here would gladly lynch BrownBear? Of course chaos13 is 95% mafia if you really are a tracker, but that would be something you would post before day ends in case we lynch you. BrownBear is your replacement lynch, not chaos13.
My point is that you failed to comment about the case against BrownBear. Just like BrownBear failed to comment about the case against you. Just like everyone else in my mafia list (Rayzor, Vain, Barundar, Erandorr) failed to comment about you. When I'm mafia I hate having to talk about my mafia buddies in the thread, because it's so hard to fake an opinion when you know the truth.
The analysis I've done this game is centered around the ideas that mafia hate having to take a firm stance about an issue, and that mafia hate having to talk about their members.
As Mig pointed out, I was hesitant today to respond to Mig's posts because I feel like I cannot objectively read them. Anything I read of Mig's I just see the mafia in him. But other people (particularly Curu and wherebugsgo) have been able to analyze his arguments today without the subjectivity that I have, and they still want to kill Mig. That's all the proof I need that Mig is the correct lynch choice today.
##Vote: Mig
I still want to hear from people about nard, Lucidity, and Trotske/iGrok (those who haven't given their opinions yet). You don't think that's a bit shallow? Centering your analysis around a concept can be fairly damning. I have serious doubts that you're trap was as concrete as you make it out to be. Not referring to someone can lead to huge oversights, and that's exactly what happened to BB. You're idea was convoluted and distracting and a massive failure. I have doubts about Mig, if "anything I read... I just see mafia in him" is your excuse, and you're trusting other people's opinions rather then forming real reasons yourself.
Why is foolishness not being more heavily considered? If I was mafia, I would have doublestacked him night 2, because he would be a dangerous townie to go against. I don't believe the RB was used night 1, and I don't think he took a hit. His bullshit ways of finding scum do not produce results, as I can see first hand. It's a little bit of bad luck that I popped into these shoes foolishness, because you were certainly expecting an easy bandwagon onto BB through your bullshit connections when there is nothing concrete on BB AT ALL. You say that right here yourself.##Vote FoolishnessI guarantee I am right. Please read through this thread like I have done and this becomes perfectly clear. Look at the bolded text. It is completely fluff. It also reeks of someone who has either a.) not read the thread, b.) not comprehended what he has actually read, or c.) is intentionally being misleading. Seeing as bum, from what I understand, is a pretty decent player, the red highlight at the end should make it clear which of those options is the correct one. + Show Spoiler [hint] ++ Show Spoiler [alternate] +Although, I suppose, it's not inaccurate to say that it could be a combination of all of them. It's entirely possible that the post is a complete fabrication and that bum didn't actually read through the thread, just claimed to do so. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised with that either. AND YOU SAY NOTHING ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST SAID I LIED ABOUT. I said connecting people based on not talking about them was extremely faulty, and the foolishness focusing on BB rather then Mig was a bad approach to it. And that was the "strongest" part of foolishness' "connection". After a lil back and forth with foolishness about whether BB's analysis of xt was genuine (I call bs) there's this: Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 11:52 bumatlarge wrote:Oh well fuck me, fine then foolishness Im sorry lol I'll read the thread closer. Thought I specifically checked for that. It's still faulty reasoning. At least I have a whole day to look more into everything. SUP APOLOGY In red = well I'll read thread more carefully (aka fake my arguments better) and oh btw it's still illogical. So you're just saying you don't believe I didn't read the thread? So as mafia, I falsely accused a CONFIRMED TOWNIE that his methods were anti-town and I thought he was scum for that. Toss that idea in your head a bit. Tell me if you can honestly reach the convoluted conclusion you just did. It simply makes no sense! No exaggeration here, it makes ZERO sense. Wait what? You claim everyone else is throwing around unsubstantiated accusations, yet you're doing it yourself? To reiterate, you said this: Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 05:34 bumatlarge wrote:
I think that's enough because thats how people analyze individuals around here, by saying they are scummy. But it's okay for you to do pretty much the same thing? ... Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 01:20 bumatlarge wrote:
I think I've thoroughly defended myself and BB's actions. Foolishness said himself that BB was mostly guilty through connections, which I find incredibly faulty, and a majority of his analysis was based on BB's lack of original opinions and reasoning for what he did. I don't believe that was true at all, and I especially felt BB's xttc analysis was very much his own and I saw multiple points that I did not see posted by people foolishness said he copied.
Why I am still under heavy consideration is beyond me. I'll address the suspects listed one by one so you can have my opinion, and you can't blame me for restating because I've barely read the thread! jk The sentence that's omitted after the red italics, that bum was thinking: " so stop correctly guessing I'm scum, damn it" Bolded is a lie, Foolish's main argument was NOT the connections. + Show Spoiler [Foolishsummary] +On August 25 2011 10:09 Foolishness wrote:
1) BrownBear is mafia
2) BrownBear's vote posts are just restating already said arguments. He's never voiced his own opinion. Furthermore he never pushes who he's voting for. He makes his vote post, then spams one liners.
3) BrownBear has been extremely dodging and defense. He flat out refuses to respond to Palmar even with Palmar writes something good. He is very insistent that he is innocent.
4) BrownBear has refused to say anything with regards to Mig (until just now). If he was town he would be sure to voice his opinion on one of the top lynch candidates. He does not care about the town and this is evident because he has ignored the case against Mig.
5) If Mig is mafia, then BrownBear (and a few others) implicitly defended him by purposely switching town focus onto xtfftc (and then Hiro). They did this by not sharing their opinions about Mig and instead wrote paragraphs about why xtfftc (or Hiro) should have been lynched.
I will still advocate that Mig should be the next lynch. But if you are too put off by his defense then BrownBear must die.Foolish's main arguments were that BB was being dodgy and defensive, and that his vote posts have been pure restatements of existing arguments. However, I disagree with his analysis of the connections, too, just like you, bum! The difference is that I find merit in his other arguments, and I'm not overly focused on WHAT Foolish was saying. You disagree with one of his points=foolish automatically wrong about BB (who you replaced). In fact, he's SO wrong he becomes mafia (wtf?). Then vote me for BB's behavior, I've defended this all before, so you're lying when you I conveniently ignored the other points. His connection point was the one I had the biggest problem with and why I thought he was scummy. You recant your vote on foolish once you're called out, and you basically admit to not reading properly. Well, kind of, since you could've read it all anyway and just lied. You are now inventing reasons for things that are clear. I didn't read the thread closely enough and there is no reason as mafia for me to lie about that in this situation. How would this benefit me at all. Anyway, to clarify what I said about disagreeing with Foolish's arguments about BB's connections to other people: I think his analysis of the Mig-BB connection was good. However, I disagree with some of the other people he listed in his large BB analysis post. A bunch of people were listed there that I'm very strongly sure are town. Also, BB's "analysis" of xt was mostly fluff and regurgitated arguments from Curu and myself. Curu, IIRC, was the one who first put up something decent on xt. So NO, it was not original at all.Last half of that quote I showed earlier: Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 01:20 bumatlarge wrote:
Why I am still under heavy consideration is beyond me. I'll address the suspects listed one by one so you can have my opinion, and you can't blame me for restating because I've barely read the thread! jk[ Excuse. Straight up excuse. Firstly, you're under heavy consideration because the guy you replaced was doing things in ways that really only mafia would do. Part in red=direct contradiction to this: Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 09:24 bumatlarge wrote:
I guarantee I am right. Please read through this thread like I have done and this becomes perfectly clear.
So, you've read the thread, but not read the thread? The jk is added there just to absolve yourself of responsibility. Basically, you're trying to throw attention off yourself. You're not even defending yourself anymore (because clearly that didn't work, your defense was shitty) so you tried to absolve responsibility and slip under the radar. It kinda worked. For a bit. Well if you and other people see things in these kind of posts, don't let me stop you. Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 12:56 bumatlarge wrote:
Pretty silly chaser, i think we would have been fine with just going with foolishness on nard, but I highly doubt you are lying about your check. We should check Vains history to match up with chaosers claim, and by we I mean me. For now my votes going on him. I trust chaoser is telling the truth, and he's a strong town read.
##vote vain This one set off alarm bells. "We would've been fine with going with foolishness on nard...but you know what, I'll vote for vain anyway." Also, you know how bum knows chaoser's not lying about that guilty check? Cause he's the freaking framer and he framed vain last night. That's quite a jump lol, having to call me a framer for an argument to work is quite a stretch, no? I won't argue against this until there is proof of there being a framer at all. Finally, the vote is preceded by: "for now." Why "for now"? Because you know that you'll probably have to switch your vote off vain when he doesn't become a serious lynch candidate anymore? Because you already know vain is probably clean? Because you think people might begin suspecting chaoser, and then you can set him up to be lynched when vain flips green? How about switching to nard if people feel that is a better vote then vain? I initally felt vain needed to be killed to clear chaoser, but that would be the wrong move because perhaps chaoser was trying to save nard from a lynch, which would be the highest likelihood because it doesn't involve GF's, millers, framers or nosy neighbors. Occam's Razor. Chaoser is a DT, no doubt, but this one by bum was really strange to me because of the certainty, the trust, and the future insight that were all crammed into this seemingly innocent post. His votechange on nard confirmed to me that he was scum, and it confirmed why he was being extra cautious by adding that "for now" to his vote on vain. Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 12:59 bumatlarge wrote:
Nard is a great vig hit, but we delaying chaosers claim isn't smart this late in the game. What? Where's the reasoning? Where's the distinction? What makes chaoser's claim better than foolish's? Why not go with a CONFIRMED WATCHER over someone who merely CLAIMED DT? This post raises so many questions despite being one line. And note, it's the LACK of information that does it. A townsperson would at least give some information as to their thoughtprocess. Instead, bum seems to be focused on vain while brushing off nard as "oh yeah let the vig deal with him, we town should be lynching others" It's doesn't make chaoser's claim better, it made the vain lynch more necessary, but then considering all the factors, such as a Vig or mad hatter, they would be better spent on nard anyway. Even if I was entertaining the notion that chaoser could be lying, it would still be better to go for nard over him. Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 02:03 bumatlarge wrote:
Kurumi backstabbed by his polish writing habits! I'm feeling pretty good about this game, even if people are still making me out to be scum. Nard and vain are certainly scum, and then we would only need one more to bring mafia KP to 1. Voting nard for majority purposes. OH WHAT THE EFF Let me reiterate: Again, NO REASON. True bandwagoning here, he even admits it. Why the sudden change of heart from vain to nard? Oh, right, so you don't appear suspicious when no one else is voting vain. Why do you not want to appear suspicious? Cause you're scum. A bandwagoning scum. A bandwagoning framer scum, who wants to lynch vain because he framed him last night and knows chaoser checked him, but is afraid of being suspicious because no one else is actually trying to lynch vain today. Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 04:38 bumatlarge wrote:On August 29 2011 04:24 BrownBear wrote:
apologies for backing out - I've finally made it partially through the ever-so-fun experience of travelling into hurricane Irene. The storm passed me over, but buses along the east coast are still screwed so I'm not out of the woods yet. At least I don't have to fly anymore!
Just wanted to let you guys know why I disappeared - damn weather :/ Sorry again! You wanna switch back in? I think I've done a good job helping town BUT PEOPLE KEEP SAYING LYNCH BB, IM BUMATLARGE SHIT PEOPLE Ah what? NO TOWN CRED FOR YOU. You haven't contributed jack, son. Well that isn't true, I've found you and vain now which is a pretty clear contribution now  1.) you accused foolish, a pretty much confirmed town, for being mafia just based on the fact that he was accusing you/BB of being scum. This was probably based on the fact that Foolish's posts came across with a feeling of uncertainty that you felt you could take advantage of.
In fact, Foolish admitted to doubting his own reads, something I pointed out yesterday. (yesterday? I think it was, at least) Mafia POUNCE on uncertainty. They want to capitalize on mistakes. This is, of course, why Sevryn and hiro were lynched. All of us thought they were scummy, and mafia blended in because they capitalized on their mistakes. A public feeling of uncertainty can bring out mistakes from townies. Just as Mafia tend to give thoughts uncertainly? 2.) you have continued BB's trend of bandwagoning/restating other people's reasons to vote.
3.) you've started your own trend of posting with almost no content whatsoever, or at least content that is highly questionable about your willingness to contribute information.
4.) you've contradicted yourself more than once in a manner that is common to mafia. I don't think any of that's true, I've voted what would be help town at all times? My content is very straightforward, one thing I've purposefully done to make me as transparent as possible, and I have not contradicted myself at all knowingly. Saying I've read the thread, then falling into a hole based on not reading the thread is a lot of things but not a purposeful contradiction. Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 04:41 bumatlarge wrote:
I assumed vain would be the good lynch to certify chaoser faster, but if hes gonna get shot tonight anyway it doesn't make a difference to me, both vain and nard are scum. Translation here: "I assumed that we could lynch vain, who I framed, so that he would flip green. Then we could lynch chaoser tomorrow, and because I'm mafia I know he'd flip blue. During the night we'd kill two other townies in the case vain gets lynched.
However, I don't give a shit because I know they're both town, so we can lynch nard instead of vain, chaoser will die tonight in this case and then we do a mislynch anyway tomorrow by lynching vain."Remember, this is the same guy that said one mislynch will probably result in a mafia win. I think this up for everyone else to decide if this is a logical leap. It's interesting to say the least I think the rest of this doesn't pertain to me as much, but I suggest everyone read it. I defintely disagree with Vain being town, and the fact that you had to do a complete "180" to defend him seems very desperate. I'll give my own analysis of you, because this isn't OMGUS, this is a last ditch effort to clinch the game, that much is clear to me.
I'm think it's pretty clear the remaining scum are nard, vain, wherebugsgo, and the last two are up in the air for me, and I think only one person on WBG's list is scum, I'm thinking kurumi, the rest I bet aren't just from this post.
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On August 29 2011 09:29 xtfftc wrote:Wherebugsgo, I completely agree with your observations of how Bumatlarge's posting developed. He opened with "I haven't read the thread yet but I am going to make a lot of claims anyway", transitioned into "Okay, I guess I'm not right, back to reading the thread" and then tried to keep himself with some "I did contribute but no one believed me because my contributions were rubbish. This is why I'm going to attempt to disrupt discussion by pointing out that some town players are performing badly." Sure, there was a serious case on BrownBear when Bumatlarge joined the game, so he must have felt compelled to be active even before reading the thread in depth but we are going after Nard and Vain at the moment. He has a few days to prepare properly and contribute if he is innocent. Instead, he is obsessed with avoiding lynch. + Show Spoiler +I think you are seeing way too much into the "DT dies tonight" claim though. We expected DropBear to be killed on the second night and Foolishness on the third - and now it's safe to assume that Chaoser will follow. Still, Bumatlarge is clearly mafia. I will post on Pyo, Navillus, Erandor and Barundar tomorrow.
Hey I've done it before to our very own host here, and have been spot on. Ask him yourself.
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Who keeps telling you I'm a good player lol?
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LOL I was town in personality, I got framed by the mafia so that I popped scum. Look at the end game posts.
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On August 30 2011 02:12 Lucidity wrote:
I thought I was the only one seeing this shit. wherebugsgo decides X is mafia/town, and then takes every post that player has made and turns it into pro-scum/pro-town, whichever serves his preconceived notions. You don't decide a player's alignment and then build a case around that, you do it the other way around. Sometimes it's hard to look at things objectively when you go into an analysis thinking someone is scum (I was going to post a "supersoft is scum" analysis and while rereading all his posts realised that he wasn't as confirmed scum as I thought going into the analysis), but all your TL;DR analyses read like tunneling/scum painting to me. :\
I've had this bad gut feeling about you all game long, but then you also contribute A LOT, which threw me off. But after the nard and bum flips play out I'm definitely looking at you again. Your massive posts are daunting, but perhaps that was your plan to deter people from analyzing them -.- I haven't read any of your cases and thought, "Hmmm, yes I really like what this guy is saying!".
12 Town vs 5 Mafia, "BUT WE STILL HAVE WORK TO DO", as if we're on our way to winning. 12v5 is a terrible situation for us. "BE CAUTIOUS" you say. Then in the very same post you say, "DONT DOUBT YOURSELVES". Lolwut?
Vain is Mafia turns in to Vain is 100% town and bum is framing him, based off of nothing really. BB/bum is almost certain to be lynched next, your massive analysis was overkill. But it had a purpose: To save Vain. Mafia can vote for other mafia mate, especially if nard/bum is more important than Vain.
Really need to see these people flip and go from there.
So you're going to sit back and let him get away with doing this after nailing it on the head dude? If nard is scum and I get lynched tomorrow it will be at 7v4 when the next kills roll in, and even if we lynch vain>WBG right after, it will be 3v2 which is VERY difficult for town to win in. You can't wait to see flips at this point you have think it all out like you just did and act.
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Wow, I've made a few bad claims as mafia in my time, but this takes the cake, he won't even give us the colors, after repeatedly being asked.
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Yeah don't bother checking wherebugs go, he's confirmed and It would only be because I framed him that I'm a framer lol
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Well, I can't have visited someone without being a nosy neighbor, as I am VT
Liquidite- Welcome to TL Mafia XLIV you are Anna, the Schoolteacher. You run the local school, St Filomena, where you are responsible for a class of twenty children. You are not the most mentally stable person around, depending on anti-depressants by the handful to get through the day. Despite this you take your responsibilities to the children very seriously, and will work to exterminate the cult a quickly as possible, for their sake.
I'd prefer to lynch vain or pyo rather then myself, obviously.
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On September 01 2011 08:51 chaos13 wrote:
Oh and Pyo is scum.
##Vote: Pyo
I think you should stick to vain or myself tonight, splitting votes hurts us this late when mafia has a dangerously high amount of players.
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Anyone see that epic framer bait i left for chaoser when vain died? Never framed vain :D
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On September 08 2011 13:39 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 13:16 bumatlarge wrote:
Anyone see that epic framer bait i left for chaoser when vain died? Never framed vain :D wat
Thought I told you? The vain vote you picked up on was meant to be for when vain popped green. Chaoser could bus the vote onto me by explaining that vain had been framed and it was apparent in my posting. You jumped on it, so I was kinda happy to get lynched and town was too comfortable to call chaoser scum, along with his good play, until the endgame. All those silly connections got you in the end, when it was really just mig and myself going down for the team.
Congrats us and good work team! Curu could have probably won it by himself.
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