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Having some trouble with my buddy who is on long island right now, with hurricane irene, I'll start reading through the thread, but for now I'll just defend BB's actions, as they are perfectly reasonable from where I'm sitting, and I foolishness' analysis has quite a few flaws. I'm hearing foolishness got shot as well? I'd like to hear or have a quote explaining that please. You already mislynched twice, so number 3 will probably seal the game. BB is acting exactly how he does as town every game, and iirc, foolishness is someone who likes to compare posting histories. Him leaving that out is either lazy or desperate. Can someone quote a mig analysis as well?
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On August 27 2011 09:25 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 09:24 bumatlarge wrote:Having some trouble with my buddy who is on long island right now, with hurricane irene, I'll start reading through the thread, but for now I'll just defend BB's actions, as they are perfectly reasonable from where I'm sitting, and I foolishness' analysis has quite a few flaws. I'm hearing foolishness got shot as well? I'd like to hear or have a quote explaining that please. You already mislynched twice, so number 3 will probably seal the game. BB is acting exactly how he does as town every game, and iirc, foolishness is someone who likes to compare posting histories. Him leaving that out is either lazy or desperate. Can someone quote a mig analysis as well? "I stand by BB's actions" "I haven't read the thread" All aboard scum slip ship!
Yes just like i read how you mislynched twice and read foolishness analysis on bb. Is there a point of the day I can catch you not being stupid?
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On August 27 2011 09:58 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 09:38 bumatlarge wrote:On August 27 2011 09:25 Kurumi wrote:On August 27 2011 09:24 bumatlarge wrote:Having some trouble with my buddy who is on long island right now, with hurricane irene, I'll start reading through the thread, but for now I'll just defend BB's actions, as they are perfectly reasonable from where I'm sitting, and I foolishness' analysis has quite a few flaws. I'm hearing foolishness got shot as well? I'd like to hear or have a quote explaining that please. You already mislynched twice, so number 3 will probably seal the game. BB is acting exactly how he does as town every game, and iirc, foolishness is someone who likes to compare posting histories. Him leaving that out is either lazy or desperate. Can someone quote a mig analysis as well? "I stand by BB's actions" "I haven't read the thread" All aboard scum slip ship! Yes just like i read how you mislynched twice and read foolishness analysis on bb. Is there a point of the day I can catch you not being stupid? I mislynched twice ? I only lynched hiro and shot Palmar . Also calling people stupid does not make You clever , You know .
Well I'm not gonna yell at you for shooting palmar even if he was town, wink wink. I'm refering to town mislynching, not just you.
Where is the Mig analysis, he's got quite the huge wagon on him, and someone said he claimed blue?
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On August 27 2011 03:15 Foolishness wrote:
I am going to take this opportunity to point out that Mig's only comment about my BrownBear accusation is "I am not linked to BrownBear". Even though the link is the core of my analysis, that's not the only reason I'm suspicious of BrownBear. As I stated many times in my analysis, BrownBear has yet to post his own opinion (he hasn't posted any analysis that wasn't posted by another player before him), he's been very dodgy about responding to people, and he refused to comment about Mig (why would he ignore a huge town issue?).
I think that's a fairly useless accusation you are bringing up about BB restating what people are saying to, but then calling him out on not explaining his votes. I find it hard to believe that massive xffct thing wasn't his own. I don't think repetition is a conclusive method in finding scum.
These things I've just listed have nothing to do with Mig's alignment.
I believe that if Mig was town, his response to my analysis against BrownBear would be "Foolishness you're wrong, I'm not linked to BrownBear. However all your other points about BrownBear are really condemning. Let's kill BrownBear and I'll prove myself to you." Even if you are a tracker why would you be so adamant about getting chaos13 killed when you know perfectly well that most everyone here would gladly lynch BrownBear? Of course chaos13 is 95% mafia if you really are a tracker, but that would be something you would post before day ends in case we lynch you. BrownBear is your replacement lynch, not chaos13.
My point is that you failed to comment about the case against BrownBear. Just like BrownBear failed to comment about the case against you. Just like everyone else in my mafia list (Rayzor, Vain, Barundar, Erandorr) failed to comment about you. When I'm mafia I hate having to talk about my mafia buddies in the thread, because it's so hard to fake an opinion when you know the truth.
The analysis I've done this game is centered around the ideas that mafia hate having to take a firm stance about an issue, and that mafia hate having to talk about their members.
As Mig pointed out, I was hesitant today to respond to Mig's posts because I feel like I cannot objectively read them. Anything I read of Mig's I just see the mafia in him. But other people (particularly Curu and wherebugsgo) have been able to analyze his arguments today without the subjectivity that I have, and they still want to kill Mig. That's all the proof I need that Mig is the correct lynch choice today.
##Vote: Mig
I still want to hear from people about nard, Lucidity, and Trotske/iGrok (those who haven't given their opinions yet).
You don't think that's a bit shallow? Centering your analysis around a concept can be fairly damning. I have serious doubts that you're trap was as concrete as you make it out to be. Not referring to someone can lead to huge oversights, and that's exactly what happened to BB. You're idea was convoluted and distracting and a massive failure. I have doubts about Mig, if "anything I read... I just see mafia in him" is your excuse, and you're trusting other people's opinions rather then forming real reasons yourself.
Why is foolishness not being more heavily considered? If I was mafia, I would have doublestacked him night 2, because he would be a dangerous townie to go against. I don't believe the RB was used night 1, and I don't think he took a hit. His bullshit ways of finding scum do not produce results, as I can see first hand. It's a little bit of bad luck that I popped into these shoes foolishness, because you were certainly expecting an easy bandwagon onto BB through your bullshit connections when there is nothing concrete on BB AT ALL. You say that right here yourself.
##Vote Foolishness
I guarantee I am right. Please read through this thread like I have done and this becomes perfectly clear.
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On August 27 2011 11:20 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 11:09 bumatlarge wrote:
If I was mafia, I would have doublestacked him night 2, because he would be a dangerous townie to go against.
Is it just coincidence that BrownBear nearly said the exact same thing? You clearly did not read my analysis against BrownBear. Just like Mig didn't read it. BrownBear wasn't voicing his own opinion nor did he show he cared about the town at all. That has nothing do with what alignment Mig. I would have rather killed you today than Mig but I felt it too mean to not give you a chance to defend yourself. So you got it, I hope you make it count. It's likely the mafia roleblocked Palmar, or were planning to have either Mig or BrownBear claim it. They might have used it on someone thinking they were a veteran (that's what they did with me). If you want to be a Pyrrhuloxia that's fine with me, but until you read the thread and post a decent analysis I don't feel the need to respond to you.
You just did, you're reasoning is bad, and the excuses you give for voting people is bad. I did read the thread and I focused on the analyses. You accuse BB of not giving his real opinions yet you accuse him of avoiding discussing mig because he gave a huge analysis on xtttc. You said yourself that you would vote BB over Mig yet you clearly state that you think Mig is scum over BB. I am BB, so you can't begin to divulge onto the subject of me refering to whoever since I just came into the game with full knowledge of what your methods are. Using it now especially is 100% WIFOM.
You are leading town into a bad direction by telling them that this is how you scumhunt. I'm not believing your story until you are truly confirmed, and one medic is dead, so it's convenient how that works. I am not fine with killing Mig, because you are the one spearheading it.
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On August 27 2011 11:38 Curu wrote:
Oh come on bumatlarge, put down the chainsaw/OMGUS glasses for a second, read the thread, and tell us who your other scumreads are. Foolishness is the least likely person to be Mafia at this point.
What qualifies him as least likely to be mafia? Getting hit and RB'd?
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Oh well fuck me, fine then foolishness  Im sorry lol I'll read the thread closer. Thought I specifically checked for that. It's still faulty reasoning. At least I have a whole day to look more into everything.
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Well that's good, but it probably doesn't make me look much better since this only makes foolishness' little plan look decent. I'll see what I can do to change people's minds.
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I think I've thoroughly defended myself and BB's actions. Foolishness said himself that BB was mostly guilty through connections, which I find incredibly faulty, and a majority of his analysis was based on BB's lack of original opinions and reasoning for what he did. I don't believe that was true at all, and I especially felt BB's xttc analysis was very much his own and I saw multiple points that I did not see posted by people foolishness said he copied.
Why I am still under heavy consideration is beyond me. I'll address the suspects listed one by one so you can have my opinion, and you can't blame me for restating because I've barely read the thread! jk
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Nard
I think his activity fell off a cliff at some point, but there are some interesting tidbits. Early on, I don't see anything in his posting that reads scum, until the point where he goes for Hiro and explains fairly clearly why and defends Mig. It seems like an honest town thing, but then when the Mig bandwagon got going the second day, he slunk his way around while voting for me. He's probably scum, because when people don't offer more to be analysed, it's probably because they don't want to be. I'd stand behind a nard lynch.
Lucidity
He seems to be the opposite of nard, being more active later and not active at all early. First lynch he floated unto sevryn without a problem, second lynch he went on to hiro and called Mig and Palmar scum buddies, but when the day 3 lynch and Mig steps up to the plate he conveniently votes me and ignores the Mig wagon. Scummier then nard.
Trotske/iGrok
Trotske seems very townie up until he gets replaced. He seemed content on sevryn but was very open to changing his vote and keeping his eyes open like a good person should. iGork seems very clear-headed, and seemed to replicate trotske's townie ways. Plus he made that awesome PWright image, how could he not be town.
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I don't see rayzorflash as being scum as much as lucidity or nard, he falls under the trotske/igork category. Are there bigger reasons as to why he's going to get lynched tomorrow?
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On August 28 2011 02:43 iGrok wrote:
Ok guys, I need to drive for the next 3-5 hours. So I'll see you when I get back!
Kurumi, I'm looking forward to your flavor text!
Also interested in Batman's take on Foolishness!
I gave my take, I called him scum then he showed me concrete proof that he was confirmed. I'd rahter not relive the experience lol
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On August 28 2011 02:22 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2011 02:09 chaoser wrote:On August 28 2011 01:32 Foolishness wrote:On August 28 2011 01:20 bumatlarge wrote:
I think I've thoroughly defended myself and BB's actions. Foolishness said himself that BB was mostly guilty through connections, which I find incredibly faulty, and a majority of his analysis was based on BB's lack of original opinions and reasoning for what he did. I don't believe that was true at all, and I especially felt BB's xttc analysis was very much his own and I saw multiple points that I did not see posted by people foolishness said he copied.
Why I am still under heavy consideration is beyond me. I'll address the suspects listed one by one so you can have my opinion, and you can't blame me for restating because I've barely read the thread! jk What do you think of the following 3 people then? 1) nard 2) Lucidity 3) Trotske/iGrok Foolishness, what are your takes on them? I asked before and you didn't answer. Oh right, I was distracted with the lynch at the time. 1) Not entirely sure at the moment. Last time I read through his posts I saw it going both ways. His inactivity level over the past day or two is really disturbing though. Day 1 he seemed a lot more active. 2) Not mafia, Lucidity is putting himself out there too much. I don't think a mafia would risk drawing attention to them self at this point in the game. Also Lucidity called me mafia at one point. If Lucidity knew that Mig was mafia I don't think he would try to call me mafia in the thread right as I'm gunning for his teammate. 3) I thought Trotske was mafia, but I think iGrok is town. At this point iGrok seems to be here and posting (which was more than Trotske) so I think we can put him aside for a day or two.
I don't think you're reasons for lucidity being town are great. I thought his attack on you was very lack luster and not conclusive in determining alignment. What did you think about going back on all that and voting me instead of Mig?
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Oh thats a claim for sure, you should probably just claim you're stuff now igrok i dont know why you would wait.
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Pretty silly chaser, i think we would have been fine with just going with foolishness on nard, but I highly doubt you are lying about your check. We should check Vains history to match up with chaosers claim, and by we I mean me. For now my votes going on him. I trust chaoser is telling the truth, and he's a strong town read.
##vote vain
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Nard is a great vig hit, but we delaying chaosers claim isn't smart this late in the game.
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There is no double lynch right?
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Kurumi backstabbed by his polish writing habits! I'm feeling pretty good about this game, even if people are still making me out to be scum. Nard and vain are certainly scum, and then we would only need one more to bring mafia KP to 1. Voting nard for majority purposes.
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On August 29 2011 04:24 BrownBear wrote:
apologies for backing out - I've finally made it partially through the ever-so-fun experience of travelling into hurricane Irene. The storm passed me over, but buses along the east coast are still screwed so I'm not out of the woods yet. At least I don't have to fly anymore!
Just wanted to let you guys know why I disappeared - damn weather :/ Sorry again!
You wanna switch back in? I think I've done a good job helping town BUT PEOPLE KEEP SAYING LYNCH BB, IM BUMATLARGE SHIT PEOPLE
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I assumed vain would be the good lynch to certify chaoser faster, but if hes gonna get shot tonight anyway it doesn't make a difference to me, both vain and nard are scum. I think you are reading a little too much into my posts WBG, not only are you calling me scum but now im a guaranteed framer lol?
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